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Post by marshbowles10 on May 2, 2013 15:39:34 GMT
OK Mac I'll email the question.....but will it get an answer? I am in the US so can you listen out for me please?
Mark, thanks for the heads up on the difference between an Agent and Third Party but the question remains the same.
How in God's name can TF allow this kind of expenditure to happen?
Rigg was employed at £300k pa, doubling his salary from Man City....again if I can find this stuff out without too much trawling who has had any form of financial control at the Club?
It is madness and absolutely no one benefits that actually cares about the Club.
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Post by marshbowles10 on May 2, 2013 14:21:38 GMT
There has been a lot of comment on the boards today about TF and the Mirror article and blame aimed at either Warnock or Hughes.
It's always easy to blame someone else.
But I'd love a response from TF on is this.
Who at Board level allowed the football Agent, Kia Joorabchian to 'earn' from transfers instigated at QPR, fees of £7,100,000?
Who allowed Hughes, represented by Joorabchian to sign players and backroom staff that were also tied to this Agent?
Given that say the average season ticket is £650 per season this equates to the entire revenue of 11,000 season ticket holders.
Tony, how did you or your team allow this to happen?
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Post by marshbowles10 on Apr 29, 2013 21:15:39 GMT
This Club that we love is run by people who don't know what they are doing. If Samba has been quoted correctly he has said the following
"I don't think I was well prepared to come back to the hardest league in the world. You need to be fully fit and ready and compete"
So who advised Tony to shell out £12.5 million and £100k a week? This is incompetence at the highest level.
Oh yes...it was Harry...here;s the story when he signed.
This is an unbelievable signing," manager Harry Redknapp told the QPR website. "Chris is just what we need. He's a monster." Despite Samba's reported six-figure weekly wage, Redknapp said the player had taken a "massive pay cut" to move to the Premier League's bottom club, "I've tried to sign him loads of times," added the Hoops boss on the club's official weekly phone-in show 'London Call-In'. "He was willing to take a massive pay cut because I don't think he was enjoying it over there. "He's great in the air, quick, a leader, strong, fantastic in both boxes, hard as nails. He's a proper centre-half"
Read this again fellow R's fans and weep. Especially the bit about the 'massive pay cut'. What mugs we are.
As a result of this, Harry (who also has the worst win record of all our PL managers) should have his contract terminated.
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Post by marshbowles10 on Apr 28, 2013 19:14:49 GMT
Come on Mr Fernandez. Where is your usual "Have faith, we're on the way up. Stability is all that is needed. Faith in the players"
Perhaps after this afternoon's diabolical shambles you have finally realised that running a football club is not like running an airline.
So for Tone it is time to tweet
'These bunch of shites that I am my board of directors along with managers' sanctioned are not worthy of wearing the hoops and representing QPR. I have leaned a lesson the hard way and will not make the same mistakes again. To those faithful QPR fans that have given their time and money I apologise for making QPR one of the laughing stocks of football as witnessed by players and the manager this afternoon going down the tunnel at Reading. I am sorry"
Tony then please never tweet again....it's not what an owner does...the fans don't want nor expect it.......and make sure that come next August we have 11 players that actually want to play for QPR.
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Post by marshbowles10 on Apr 28, 2013 14:46:57 GMT
Just watched the game in the USA and after 50 years of following QPR don't think I've ever been as disgusted as I am today. What were those morons doing? What was all the laughter at the end of the game about? Fernandez must start again. Rednapp and his cronies in the backroom have proved that they are as useless as Hughes and must go. What do Jordan, Bond and Cotteral do? The performance today was shameful and disgraceful to the name of football let alone QPR. To be relegated is bad enough but to be relegated in such as fashion is totally unacceptable. Tony Fernandez, get some football people in the business, get rid of the ridiculous Phil Beard and start again. This bunch of people will not get us out of this disaster they will just blame the ref, the ball, previous management, the pitch but NEVER themselves. Start again and create a team of players that actually want to play football with passion and commitment. ACT NOW Act NOW.
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Post by marshbowles10 on Apr 24, 2013 19:33:58 GMT
"Disney World are delighted to announce a soccer camp for 8-15 years from June 4-7. The fee of $380 includes 3 days of intensive coaching and a visit from Bobby Zamora a Premiership player with Queens Park Rangers".
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Post by marshbowles10 on Apr 20, 2013 21:44:30 GMT
I've had enough of the 'boutique' when we were Biatore's plaything and the 'project' that seems to have stuck with Fernadez, also coined when we had the Italian waste of space in charge.
We have been relegated...despite all the money spent......the table after all these games doesn't lie......we are one of the worst teams in the Division. We may have on paper some 'great' names......but great names do not necessarily a great team make.
We have created the mess from a managerial perspective ourselves.
We employ senior people at the Club such as Phil Beard that have no football track record and he employs his mates that similarly have no track record at all. I am sure the Agents of Barton, SWP and Ferdinand in the first round of spending must have laughed all the way to the bank.
Having made mistakes with these characters we fail to learn from them and wait until the close of the transfer window to make more signings. More rubbing of Agent hands as our future is poured into the pockets of parasites.
Now I wonder how much money are we paying on players that don't even play for the Club, let alone the new guys with their inflated wages. Remember Harry saying when he 'found out' what Boswinga earned..... and told us that no one at Spurs was on anywhere near that sort of money. 'It was a disgrace to the lovely owners who had effectively had their trousers pulled down' was something along the lines of what Harry said.
Ah ha along come the signings of Remy and Samba at wages that I suspect are more than the awful ex scum mercenary. Where's your trousers now Tony?
The sacking of Warnock was a knee-jerk reaction to performances. The record from Hughes and Rednapp I suspect have actually got worse.
With all the money spent over the past 12 months we still played today with Hill, Derry and then Mackie as the sub. Nothing against these guys but you would have thought that they were busted Championship players. Had we not spent a dime on the playing staff then we'd expect to have a degree of old wood......but hang on a minute if they are playing, then the manager must think they're the best in that position...how much have we gone into debt building the team?
Something has to be wrong, very wrong.
Where is the youth policy that is producing the next Kevin Gallen or Paul Goddard? It seems our youngsters go out to lower league clubs and find it difficult to make an impact there.....so one has to assume they can't be any good.
The only decent player we had was sold for a pittance to Liverpool by the crook Paladini. How much did he get to line his back pocket?
We need to assume now we are related and build from the bottom up. Back to basics. Get young hungry players with potential and build and develop them. Have a development plan. Don't accept a manager that has to bring his entire backroom staff with him. Let the manager, manage but have QPR people behind the scenes. Mark Hughes and his team failed and then just about all left and now we have Harry's mob. If Harry leaves, they all will! Stupid senior management.
I'm sad today and upset about our football club that yet again has failed. The laughing stock, the 'big money johnnies' that have let our club down.
Please Tony, listen to some sense. Get football people on the board that can steer our Club in the right direction and give us some pride back. It is such a shame, don;t keep on repeating the same mistakes. Please.
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Post by marshbowles10 on Apr 20, 2013 16:54:09 GMT
I actually feel sorry in a way for Hill. He was only just good enough for the Championship and yet he continues to play. Why? Has he improved his game? No. The sad fact is that 2 seasons later despite all the money that this Club has wasted.......he is still the choice of the manager. It says a great deal I'm afraid about the purchasing decisions of Hughes and Rednapp that he is still felt to be the best choice. It also highlights the lack of youngsters being groomed by the club.
Whilst Hill remains an easy target, if we had 11 players with his enthusiasm and commitment we might not be in quite the position we find ourselves today.
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Post by marshbowles10 on Feb 23, 2013 20:07:22 GMT
Found a place to watch the game and despite Spanish commentator conclude the following;
1 Apart from one shot in the second half and a Samba header we didn't look like scoring. Unless someone wakes up to this we are destined to fail. Utd beat us without raising a sweat. Giggs is a class act and has been for two generations.
2 Samba looked a reasonable player in what is one of the best set of named individuals but one of the worst teams ever seen at Loftus Road. Still £100k a week I guess he should.
3 Didn't realise Adel was playing.
4 The ref gave us nothing.
The thing that also pissed me off was just before the satellite link went one of our players could remember who, went over to swop his shirt with Giggs. Do it in the dressing room but please don't make your underperformance even worse by this action.
Further to a post 10 days ago about Phil Beard and not responding to emails despite his comments at the forum......I,m still waiting.
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Post by marshbowles10 on Feb 13, 2013 19:05:39 GMT
Watched the Fans Forum and interested to hear a number of questions from the floor that said they'd written to PB and had never received a reply.
Think Philip said he always replied and we if had anything to say to email him with our comments.
Emailed him on Friday with the 5 letters attached written to him since he became CEO that have thus far received no reply. No reponse as yet to email.
Has anyone out there written to PB and actually got a reply?
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Post by marshbowles10 on Feb 10, 2013 11:11:50 GMT
Isn't this the key?
How do you motivate mercenary multi- millionaires?
Last week Rednapp was saying that he done a great deal getting Jenas and Townsend for a combined wage of £25k per week.
Townsend is quoted as being on 'only' £3k a week and remember these figures are AFTER tax.
How many reading this take home £150k per year?
It's madness...... and we foolish feel sorry for Townsend as he is not 7 times worse than Jenas or 33 times worse than Samba....by the way both Jenas and Samba were poor yesterday.
Let's talk about wages the way that 99% of the world does per annum
Samba is on £5.2 million per annum.
If a player doesn't fancy it....like that pile of crap from the unmentionables he gets fined 2 weeks money.....then picks up his 50 x £65,000 = £3.25million per annum
ITS MADNESS
Madness.
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Post by marshbowles10 on Feb 10, 2013 9:07:48 GMT
The players are off to Dubai for some warm weather training this week.
Will we be playing Man U on a balmy afternoon with temperatures climbing into the 30's? More likely it'll be a rain lashed afternoon.
Still we only lost 4-1 yesterday so no doubt the rose tinted world that our Tone lives in will see this as an improvement that deserves a little holiday.
After the performance yesterday, where I'm not sure anyone came out with any credit they should be back at Harlington not jetting off on a meaningless bonding session in the sun.
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Post by marshbowles10 on Feb 9, 2013 15:45:36 GMT
Tony I'm sure you are a lovely chap but you are deluded.
Most of the current players with a couple of exceptions don't deserve your accolades and praise.
You are fooling youself if you think most of these guys care about the Club. They are only interested in how much you pay them.
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Post by marshbowles10 on Jan 27, 2013 10:20:44 GMT
I've been a QPR fan for 50 years and am celebrating a year travelling around the world with the Mrs. I have taken my QPR flag and had my photo taken at some of the most iconic buildings around the globe with it. I saw and photographed the Alan MacDonald plane taxi-ing and then taking off in Phuket and cried at how lucky I was to see the plane. I am proud to support QPR and proud for people to know I support QPR. Yes I still have my season ticket and as we needed to see the in-laws have come back for a few days conveniently seeing 3 home games. My mileage to the game today was somewhere in the region of 17,000.
I've seen the dark days, many, many of them...too many to remember them all although probably the Milk Cup final defeat to Oxford still haunts me even above Vauxhall Motors.
The first 30 minutes I thought we did OK but with the difference in perceived class this should have been a given
I was surprised at team selection as I felt surely this was a good point to see a couple of the younger players given a run out but it turned out to be the second string of mercenaries.
I'm not sure that Harry's claims today, if I am reading them right, is that he played certain players to prove they are crap. This doesn't look like a policy to offload them to prospective new employers in the future transfer window days. I suspect our local Sunday Side wouldn't be interested in someone like Ferdinand..... as they are looking for a solid defender.
What is sad in this day and age is it obvious that the players don't give a toss. Well maybe Derry and Mackie do.....but it seems obvious that half the blokes don't want to be here.
So why are they here in the first place?
We all know...its because QPR pay more money and offer longer contracts than anyone else in football, probably on a world stage. Footballers that Alex Ferguson wouldn't cross the street to watch.
I really don't like Ferguson but you have to admire the man that sold us Park. Again my local Sunday Side in need of a box to box player wouldn't consider him......he can't tackle, he can't pass and he can't score. Yes he can run....... and so can a greyhound but you don't see many of them turning out at Old Trafford on a Saturday afternoon.
My rant remains with Uncle Tony and his side-kick 'Phil look at me when players sign Beard'. Phil Beard is an incredibly intelligent man. He must be he is the CEO of our football club. He won't earn what Boswinga earns but will have a salary (this is pure guesswork in the region of £250k)
How many reading this earn that amount?
It seems from the tweets of Barton that he only came for the money and a stupid contract and we can only assume that given the arrogance of the shit Boswinga that nothing has changed on the way we prepare contracts.
Therefore why is Beard still in charge?
Surely he has shown time and time again that he hasn't got a clue. He employs his mates below him (I've never seen a commercial or Marketing Director job advertised) and apart from the guy joining from the FA all seem to have come from the 02.
We are not a bloody 'project' we are QPR a football team and we need football people in place to protect the club from these clueless idiots.
As for Harry. As far as I know Harry speaks 'Arry English'.....how on earth does he communicate with the players? Does he take Park to one side and say 'Look Son unless you tackle a player and pass top someone in a blue and white shirt you;re off' or does he have a translator that translates in Korean ' You're playing well, more of the same in the second half'.
The reason I ask is for those who suffered at LR yesterday, did YOU see any difference at half time?
So I'm back for 2 weeks and then start part two of my World Trip. I'll still take my flag and get my photo taken with it in all kinds of weird and wonderful places because despite what these shits on the pitch do, I'm still a QPR fan.........which beggars the question. When will I learn?
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Post by marshbowles10 on Jan 4, 2013 20:35:05 GMT
In the USA on a new computer and had to google QPR...the 5th option made me smile. Happy New Year to all posters.
What is QPR?
QPR stands for Question, Persuade, and Refer -- 3 simple steps that anyone can learn to help save a life from suicide. People trained in QPR learn how to recognize the warning signs of a suicide crisis and how to question, persuade, and refer someone to help.
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Post by marshbowles10 on Dec 11, 2012 22:52:19 GMT
The messageboard recently has seen some pretty strong opinions on the performance of TF. We seem as a messageboard pretty split. I think we all thank him for saving us from the ridiculous Italian but then again we have questioned his abilities and basic football common sense.
TF has fingers in many commercial pies, is often out of the country and therefore surely the critism of management should really be targeted towards Phil Beard. He is the CEO and this as far as I know, this is his only job.
He has no football experience (and that was a TF error) and has just employed another one of his ex O2 mates to work form him. I think that makes it 3 now.
Although he has been quieter of late (well who wants to see a picture of him with another failure? when we had our 'marquee' signings of the horrible Barton who was there with the player having his photo taken? Who was delighted that SWP was joining and yes there was the photo of him and SWP signing the contract.
This list could go on and on.
Beard appears to be an operator of entertainment venues (and we know that Loftus Road isn't one of them!) and has surrounded himself with equally non football managers. The comments about the 45,000 stadia could only have been made by someone that knew little about QPR and even less about football.
Surely as CEO he has been responsible once a player has been identified for the contract and sorting out the financial aspect of deals?I would therefore like to hear why he felt the necessity to make the commission payable to Agents the highest of any Cluib in the Premier League?
It appears from what we can only guess from comments made by Barton that many players have come here only for the money. All players will come for the money but it seems we not only pay hugely above the going rate for the standard of player that we have been signing but then compound the problem by making the contracts excessive and long.
Our Club has made huge mistakes in the past and seems to continue to be making them. TF has bitten the bullet with both Warnock and Hughes but we still have a Club that will be run by the desires of the manager in charge.
Harry will no doubt run rings around Beard.One because he is Harry and two because Harry will know that he doesn't have a clue.
Whilst the performances on the pitch have lead to this ridiculously appalling start to the season, the time has come for TF to bring in someone that knows about football and has the experience of dealing with managers/agents/players and can bring some everyday reality and common sense to Loftus Road.
I hope it is not too late and the contracts that we can only guess at if we do get relegated don't send us into a spiral where the final outcome will be buckets outside Loftus Road for supporters again to shell out bad management.
If you have anything about you Mr Beard then resign and don't let your kindergarden football experience mean the demise of our great Club.
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Post by marshbowles10 on Oct 23, 2012 21:19:40 GMT
Available in all sizes and quality according to the mrs is good. Also saw Alan macdonald at phuket airport about to take off.
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Post by marshbowles10 on Oct 23, 2012 15:08:59 GMT
In Kuala Lumper and just seen a QPR shirt for £5 in the market. Orders?
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Post by marshbowles10 on Oct 14, 2012 10:08:48 GMT
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Post by marshbowles10 on Oct 14, 2012 10:07:17 GMT
Thanks Attachments:
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Post by marshbowles10 on Oct 11, 2012 15:36:25 GMT
I'm old please let me know!
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Post by marshbowles10 on Oct 11, 2012 2:56:05 GMT
Got a great pix of the Alan MacDonald plane seen yesterday, how do I upload the photo to this site as when choosing the file it says it is too big....what's the secret?! Thanks
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Post by marshbowles10 on Oct 9, 2012 2:10:29 GMT
They are not interested in our comments. If they were there would be supporter representation on the board. Beard hasn't answered any letters sent to him (I've written to him 6 times) and we know that Gramps with his book also wrote to the Club and sent them complimentary copies. For Christ's sake the money from the sale of the proceeds went back to the Club and those at the top, ALL of them I believe haven't been bothered to reply.
That's how open the Club is....it's closed.
The only thing that that we'll be supporters of the Club assuming they don;t destroy it long after they've gone to new pastures is that we'll still be here. Perhaps we're the mugs but you can't be taken to Loftus Road as a bright eyed school boy of 5 and not fall in love. 50 years later I'm still in love and they can't take that away no matter how hard they try!
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Post by marshbowles10 on Oct 2, 2012 13:29:53 GMT
Since I started the thread I reckon i have the right to reply!
Firstly I have made NO mention of sacking Hughes. The title of my article should make it clear that I don't want another Warnock episode where Tony fires him after a few losing games. There is too much at stake. I've written on this site before about my huge concern about the financials of this football club from the huge salaries and the new jerk reaction at times (Robert Green becoming useless after 2 games) to the fact that our financial sponsors are part of Tony's business empire. I'm a simple guy, it makes no sense to me that we rely upon 'in house' Companies to sponsor us. 'House of Cards' and 'Built on Sand' come to mind.
As for the transfer fee of Park whether it is £2 or £5million this is irrelevant. He was made captain to sell shirts rather than because he is an inspirational leader on the field. That DOESN'T make sense.
I want Hughes to succeed.......we all want Hughes to succeed I'm sure on the MessageBoard but he making the same old mistakes that have been made in the past and for the future of our great Club I just wish we'd learn!
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Post by marshbowles10 on Oct 2, 2012 11:08:15 GMT
.......it will repeat itself and sadly that seems to be where we are today.
We bring in 'famous' well-known players and make them captain, irrespective their ability to perform that role. We did it with the thug Barton and we have done it with the shrewd Sir Alex's offloading Park for £5million. He may sell a few shirts in Korea but the Championship doesn't get shown in that part of the World. Park is neither a captain or on the evidence of his play thus far is good enough for selection. We don't learn. The manager will have 'favourites' irrespective of player performance. How in God's name does SWP get to start? He has week in week out put in performances that are at best poor and at worst dire. We don't learn. The problem Fernandez has is that he thought that money and a lot of it would buy success. No one and I include the Loftus Road spin doctors would have forecast that we would be where we are today and please don't insult us with injuries and bad luck stories. West Ham could have been 4-0 at half time.
We need a balanced side that wants to play for the shirt. We need to have the best 11 players on the park not the ones that have the best contracts. We need some sanity at Loftus Road not bloody 3D programmes.
Whoever clapped Diakite off also needs their head examined. The Club has just supported him with his personal problem and he replays the Club by complete and utter stupidy.....oh yes....just like his first game for us.
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Post by marshbowles10 on Sept 23, 2012 11:12:50 GMT
Apologies if this has been mentioned before but I've been on holiday! My mates in Sweden reckon we are close to agreeing to sign (loan?) John Guidetta who looks as if he could score some of the goals we need. Anyone else out there heard this? Swedish Hoops?
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Post by marshbowles10 on Aug 29, 2012 12:53:29 GMT
IF we have signed a new goalkeeper this appears to be complete and utter financial madness. Just a few weeks ago we signed Rob Green on a reputed £50k a week. This equates to a salary of just over £2.5 million per annum or at an average season ticket price of £600, the income from 4300 season tickets holders. Assume the new keeper is on a similar deal (but it looks as if it may be more) the goal keeping positions at the club are the equivalent of the income derived from nearly 9000 season tickets. If he is to be replaced then who santioned him signing in the first place? We can't blame another manager/scout....or even Paladini on this one....who is going to carry the can? If he is so bad then why did we buy him in the first place? Form is temporary, class is permanent.....surely we felt we'd aquired a classy keeper?
Sorry Tony I think you've completely lost the financial plot here and I really fear for the Club. You weren't here when there were buckets in the street collecting small change to keep the Club afloat.
We all naturally want success and are in a great place today (thanks to you) compared to where we were with Briatore........ but I've been a supporter for 50 years and some of this stuff really scares me.
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Post by marshbowles10 on Aug 19, 2012 5:59:46 GMT
This is an open letter to Phil Beard.
I have written to you many times but as yet you have not had the grace to reply. I am just a humble supporter of 50 years, an Acton lad breast fed on the Loftus Road milk of the 60's.
I like to come to the ground with friends, have a beer and a bet on the game. The odd fiver on the centre half scoring first, it makes the afternoon a bit more fun although there was nothing fun about yesterday and I am thinking that Alex Furguson remains a very, very shrewd operator.
My gripe Mr Beard is that you treat me and my fellow supporters in the SAR with betting contempt. Despite the fact that 18 months ago the betting facilities from Stan James stopped, despite all the money this Club spends on itself, I was astounded yesterday to see that the 'Bet Here with Stan James' signage is still up. I have offered to take this down myself and repaint the area, free of charge and I'm still waiting for your reply on that offer too.
Whilst we do a mega Thai Bart deal with an internet betting Company, the mug punters, the REAL supporters, have not only had the betting taken away, but remain reminded about it via the signage.
This typifies the arrogant approach you have to genuine long standing supporters of this football club"
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Post by marshbowles10 on Jul 21, 2012 8:26:04 GMT
This press report did ring 2 alarm bells.
1 That it states a couple of times that we are Malaysian owned. My father would have turned in his grave; he didn't like it when we signed players that weren't from London let alone be owned from quite so far away.
2 Tune is 75% owned by Tony Fernandez so it's more 'eggs in one basket' from a sponsor perpective. Despite the fact that I really found Briatore and Co nasty pieces of work, their sponsors were household names and not all owned by the same organisation. It does worry me that if anything untoward 'happens' and having been a QPR fan for 50 years it ALWAYS happens.....this entire interelated financial strategy is built on sand.
I hope I'm wrong but it does worry me.
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Post by marshbowles10 on Jul 19, 2012 15:09:29 GMT
I don't care who the manufacturer is to be honest although some of the Lotto sizes are riduculouly small...
...just a home shirt that has 3-4 wide blue hoops.
There have been some great designs on this messageboard already so it's not too difficult!
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