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Post by marshbowles10 on Oct 2, 2012 11:08:15 GMT
.......it will repeat itself and sadly that seems to be where we are today.
We bring in 'famous' well-known players and make them captain, irrespective their ability to perform that role. We did it with the thug Barton and we have done it with the shrewd Sir Alex's offloading Park for £5million. He may sell a few shirts in Korea but the Championship doesn't get shown in that part of the World. Park is neither a captain or on the evidence of his play thus far is good enough for selection. We don't learn. The manager will have 'favourites' irrespective of player performance. How in God's name does SWP get to start? He has week in week out put in performances that are at best poor and at worst dire. We don't learn. The problem Fernandez has is that he thought that money and a lot of it would buy success. No one and I include the Loftus Road spin doctors would have forecast that we would be where we are today and please don't insult us with injuries and bad luck stories. West Ham could have been 4-0 at half time.
We need a balanced side that wants to play for the shirt. We need to have the best 11 players on the park not the ones that have the best contracts. We need some sanity at Loftus Road not bloody 3D programmes.
Whoever clapped Diakite off also needs their head examined. The Club has just supported him with his personal problem and he replays the Club by complete and utter stupidy.....oh yes....just like his first game for us.
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Post by jjqpr on Oct 2, 2012 11:18:21 GMT
Exactly what I said, de ja vu...lets see if hughes can see it and more importantly has the guts to do something about it sooner rather than later!
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Post by manta on Oct 2, 2012 12:34:47 GMT
We didn't pay 5 million for Park, get your facts straight. Ok hound the manager out of his job and see who we get next and then blame yourselves when we get relegated.
It's a cliche but a football season is a marathon not a sprint. We also have a lot of injuries to contend with, not that you'll blame that of course because hey that's too easy. No, just bang on about we need to replace the manager and get back to the merry-go-around circus when we have a manager a season again that's more like it.
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Post by bowranger on Oct 2, 2012 12:38:43 GMT
We didn't pay 5 million for Park, get your facts straight. Ok hound the manager out of his job and see who we get next and then blame yourselves when we get relegated. It's a cliche but a football season is a marathon not a sprint. We also have a lot of injuries to contend with, not that you'll blame that of course because hey that's too easy. No, just bang on about we need to replace the manager and get back to the merry-go-around circus when we have a manager a season again that's more like it. TALKING SENSE ALERT
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Post by Sabas on Oct 2, 2012 12:58:30 GMT
Nobody is hounding Hughes, OK? Our opinion doesn't matter.
But what's with this taboo thing? You can't be a realist these days anymore without being called a kneejerk doom monger?
You replace Warnock - without being bottom - oh, that's OK. But replacing Hughes?! No way, it's a merry-go-round circus.
Nobody wants to replace Hughes, but the bullsh!t excuses have to end and don't give us that 'best thing to happen to QPR' nonsense. No more SWP, no more fielding 'franchise signings' just because it looks good or should work 'on paper'.
We're in sh!t, the sooner we realise that the better. It's not an accidental fart that will fade away; it's real, it stinks, it's deep and we better start digging it.
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Post by tom007 on Oct 2, 2012 13:01:43 GMT
We didn't pay 5 million for Park, get your facts straight. Ok hound the manager out of his job and see who we get next and then blame yourselves when we get relegated. It's a cliche but a football season is a marathon not a sprint. We also have a lot of injuries to contend with, not that you'll blame that of course because hey that's too easy. No, just bang on about we need to replace the manager and get back to the merry-go-around circus when we have a manager a season again that's more like it. we did pay 5 mill mate that is a fact
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Post by nomar on Oct 2, 2012 13:04:16 GMT
We didn't pay 5 million for Park, get your facts straight. Ok hound the manager out of his job and see who we get next and then blame yourselves when we get relegated. It's a cliche but a football season is a marathon not a sprint. We also have a lot of injuries to contend with, not that you'll blame that of course because hey that's too easy. No, just bang on about we need to replace the manager and get back to the merry-go-around circus when we have a manager a season again that's more like it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've read the post several times and couldn't spot it anywhere. Can you show me where the OP called for the manager to be sacked please? He made several recommemdations but I couldn't see Sack Hughes amongst them.
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Post by manta on Oct 2, 2012 13:05:13 GMT
We didn't pay 5 million for Park, get your facts straight. Ok hound the manager out of his job and see who we get next and then blame yourselves when we get relegated. It's a cliche but a football season is a marathon not a sprint. We also have a lot of injuries to contend with, not that you'll blame that of course because hey that's too easy. No, just bang on about we need to replace the manager and get back to the merry-go-around circus when we have a manager a season again that's more like it. we did pay 5 mill mate that is a fact Source please.
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Post by tom007 on Oct 2, 2012 13:06:42 GMT
in a minute mate.lol
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Post by manta on Oct 2, 2012 13:06:56 GMT
We didn't pay 5 million for Park, get your facts straight. Ok hound the manager out of his job and see who we get next and then blame yourselves when we get relegated. It's a cliche but a football season is a marathon not a sprint. We also have a lot of injuries to contend with, not that you'll blame that of course because hey that's too easy. No, just bang on about we need to replace the manager and get back to the merry-go-around circus when we have a manager a season again that's more like it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've read the post several times and couldn't spot it anywhere. Can you show me where the OP called for the manager to be sacked please? He made several recommemdations but I couldn't see Sack Hughes amongst them. Ok well let the OP come back and elucidate. He's not a fan of Hughes I got that much.
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Post by haqpr1963 on Oct 2, 2012 13:11:06 GMT
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Post by jjqpr on Oct 2, 2012 13:11:49 GMT
Nobody is hounding Hughes, OK? Our opinion doesn't matter. But what's with this taboo thing? You can't be a realist these days anymore without being called a kneejerk doom monger? You replace Warnock - without being bottom - oh, that's OK. But replacing Hughes?! No way, it's a merry-go-round circus. Nobody wants to replace Hughes, but the bullsh!t excuses have to end and don't give us that 'best thing to happen to QPR' nonsense. No more SWP, no more fielding 'franchise signings' just because it looks good or should work 'on paper'. We're in sh!t, the sooner we realise that the better. It's not an accidental fart that will fade away; it's real, it stinks, it's deep and we better start digging it. TALKING A LOT MORE SENSE THAN THE POST "TALKING SENSE" ABOVE ALERT!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by nomar on Oct 2, 2012 13:18:21 GMT
I think the OP was fairly clear in what he was saying.
Everyone is tense now, which I said would happen if we failed to beat West Ham. That was why I called it a must win game all last week as I knew a lot of the early season optimism would be killed stone dead by a negative result.
We need to let people vent their feelings, but we also need to stick together instead of infighting. Team needs our support as a united front now. Situation isn't hopeless. Hughes has support of the board. Hopefully last night gave him a good idea what his best available team should be.
If he has the good sense that a lot of people, myself included, attributed to him that made us want him to come here in the first place, he will play certain players from the start and drop others completely.
Its never boring with us, is it.
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Post by jjqpr on Oct 2, 2012 13:20:33 GMT
Never a dull moment nomar, imagine if we were midtable right now - we'd have nothing to talk about (lol) ;D I don't think anyone WANTS a change in manager, whether people like hughes or not...and beleive it or not I do like him....but as you say this was bound to happen after a home match against west ham...if we'd won a couple of the earlier games it wouldnt have mattered so much.
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Post by tom007 on Oct 2, 2012 13:25:11 GMT
hi nomar not sure what op means but it was 2 million rising to 5 after so long but not sure how long.
independent
Park Ji-sung admitted it was a tough decision to leave Manchester United after joining Queen's Park Rangers, but said it was time for a "new challenge". The 31-year-old South Korea international brought a seven-year spell at Old Trafford to an end yesterday by joining Rangers for an undisclosed fee believed to be £5 million.
Park, signed by Sir Alex Ferguson from PSV Eindhoven in 2005, made 203 appearances for United, scoring 27 goals and winning four Premier League titles, three League Cups and the Champions League in 2008.
all the fans on utd site were saying what value it was too so
pretty much confirmation there.
it is not a lynching or whatever it is just that compared to what
warnock had to spend as opposed to what hughes has spent
one has to say and i dont like to but warnocks results were
far,far better than hughes and all he is currently proving is to be
a very expensive flop and i dont think for one second that the
players brought in are they are simply not respecting hughes
and that is always a bad sign, sitting on the bench laughing
when we are losing.
hardly team spirit and togetherness is it.
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Post by manta on Oct 2, 2012 13:26:59 GMT
You've changed JJ Nobody is hounding Hughes, OK? Our opinion doesn't matter. But what's with this taboo thing? You can't be a realist these days anymore without being called a kneejerk doom monger? You replace Warnock - without being bottom - oh, that's OK. But replacing Hughes?! No way, it's a merry-go-round circus. Nobody wants to replace Hughes, but the bullsh!t excuses have to end and don't give us that 'best thing to happen to QPR' nonsense. No more SWP, no more fielding 'franchise signings' just because it looks good or should work 'on paper'. We're in sh!t, the sooner we realise that the better. It's not an accidental fart that will fade away; it's real, it stinks, it's deep and we better start digging it. It seems like hounding to me. From what I am reading can hardly be described as a vote of confidence and quite a few clesrly want a change. As for Warnock, his signings: Barton, Boothroyd, Gabbidon, SWP (who you dont like) DJ Campbell. Money well spent would you say? And yes we were bottom of the league (not rock bottom but borrom) when he was replaced as manager which was January. It also seemed he had lost confidence of the dressing room. He called his own player (Traore) "scum" for a bad tackle. You think that's good management? I am not getting at our previous manager here as he did a great job for us and he's a type of manage he gets the best out pf players, but he's more suited to lower league teams. We've just got into October and the season has bearly started and already there's talk of replacing Hughes and criticising him over tactics. Even though we have an injury crisis. So yes in my view its very much knee-jerk reactions and the reactionists are doom-sayers who need to get a grip, support hughes and get behind the team instead of bemoaning our situation ad-nauseum. And we're not "in the shit". Far from it. Two wins and we'll be mid-table.
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Post by marshbowles10 on Oct 2, 2012 13:29:53 GMT
Since I started the thread I reckon i have the right to reply!
Firstly I have made NO mention of sacking Hughes. The title of my article should make it clear that I don't want another Warnock episode where Tony fires him after a few losing games. There is too much at stake. I've written on this site before about my huge concern about the financials of this football club from the huge salaries and the new jerk reaction at times (Robert Green becoming useless after 2 games) to the fact that our financial sponsors are part of Tony's business empire. I'm a simple guy, it makes no sense to me that we rely upon 'in house' Companies to sponsor us. 'House of Cards' and 'Built on Sand' come to mind.
As for the transfer fee of Park whether it is £2 or £5million this is irrelevant. He was made captain to sell shirts rather than because he is an inspirational leader on the field. That DOESN'T make sense.
I want Hughes to succeed.......we all want Hughes to succeed I'm sure on the MessageBoard but he making the same old mistakes that have been made in the past and for the future of our great Club I just wish we'd learn!
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Post by londonranger on Oct 2, 2012 13:36:14 GMT
Frankly scarlett I dont care if he is sacked or not. Id like the team to stay in Prem. The last season and start of this have not been fun. We look like we are one league too high.
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Post by manta on Oct 2, 2012 13:36:22 GMT
Since I started the thread I reckon i have the right to reply! Firstly I have made NO mention of sacking Hughes. The title of my article should make it clear that I don't want another Warnock episode where Tony fires him after a few losing games. There is too much at stake. I've written on this site before about my huge concern about the financials of this football club from the huge salaries and the new jerk reaction at times (Robert Green becoming useless after 2 games) to the fact that our financial sponsors are part of Tony's business empire. I'm a simple guy, it makes no sense to me that we rely upon 'in house' Companies to sponsor us. 'House of Cards' and 'Built on Sand' come to mind. As for the transfer fee of Park whether it is £2 or £5million this is irrelevant. He was made captain to sell shirts rather than because he is an inspirational leader on the field. That DOESN'T make sense. I want Hughes to succeed.......we all want Hughes to succeed I'm sure on the MessageBoard but he making the same old mistakes that have been made in the past and for the future of our great Club I just wish we'd learn! Ok fair enough and I agree that we shouldn't go back to the manager merry-go-round. Green came on a free and we are talking about a player who's played for his country and mdid a good job for West Ham last season. Let's not overlook that, so it's no wonder Hughes bought him. Green's problem is his confidence and sadly it's been shattered. Luckily we have got a better replacement.
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Post by tom007 on Oct 2, 2012 13:37:33 GMT
Since I started the thread I reckon i have the right to reply! Firstly I have made NO mention of sacking Hughes. The title of my article should make it clear that I don't want another Warnock episode where Tony fires him after a few losing games. There is too much at stake. I've written on this site before about my huge concern about the financials of this football club from the huge salaries and the new jerk reaction at times (Robert Green becoming useless after 2 games) to the fact that our financial sponsors are part of Tony's business empire. I'm a simple guy, it makes no sense to me that we rely upon 'in house' Companies to sponsor us. 'House of Cards' and 'Built on Sand' come to mind. As for the transfer fee of Park whether it is £2 or £5million this is irrelevant. He was made captain to sell shirts rather than because he is an inspirational leader on the field. That DOESN'T make sense. I want Hughes to succeed.......we all want Hughes to succeed I'm sure on the MessageBoard but he making the same old mistakes that have been made in the past and for the future of our great Club I just wish we'd learn! we would love hughes to succeed you are correct mate because if he succeeded then so would our club. so for that reason it aint a witch hunt etc. but the failings currently are too bad to be true.
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Post by CookesPie&Mash on Oct 2, 2012 14:33:53 GMT
Well if he keeps picking the wrong players after all this time and not making tactical changes when everyone can see that he needs to then we will not improve , its really really simple to see.
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Post by nomar on Oct 2, 2012 15:51:01 GMT
Tom007, OP means the original poster of this thread
Park is a good player but last night he was physically being abused off the ball by the West Ham midfielders. The game was simply too physical for him and that is no knock on his talent.
I believe the biggest problem we have is actually that we have no identity as a team. Thats because the man who is the heartbeat of this team doesn't play week in week out.
In the film Field of Dreams, Kevin Costner is told to take a leap of faith. "Build it" he is urged, "and they will come." Hughes too now needs to take a leap of faith. Build this team around Taarabt and good things will happen.
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Post by tom007 on Oct 2, 2012 16:20:40 GMT
Tom007, OP means the original poster of this thread Park is a good player but last night he was physically being abused off the ball by the West Ham midfielders. The game was simply too physical for him and that is no knock on his talent. I believe the biggest problem we have is actually that we have no identity as a team. Thats because the man who is the heartbeat of this team doesn't play week in week out. In the film Field of Dreams, Kevin Costner is told to take a leap of faith. "Build it" he is urged, "and they will come." Hughes too now needs to take a leap of faith. Build this team around Taarabt and good things will happen. good point , i am not a fan of taraabts temper tantrums and fel he can be a match loser as much as a winner but truth last night was once he came on he seemed to pick everyone else up at the same time so i will not disagree with you there for sure. but he does need to stop needlessly giving the ball away as he at times does.
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Post by saphilip on Oct 2, 2012 18:11:15 GMT
I (un)fortuantely do not have this ability to make light of a bad situation and pretend that is nowhere near as bad as it what it is - i.e I see it for what it is whether good or bad. I also have this aversion to BS as well.
So what I'm seeing at the moment is a team with no form, a team that lacks direction and a team that lacks passion - with a coach that cannot change a thing. This is our worst ever start to a season and so far all I have heard is excuses from the club, the coach, the players - and sadly the fans - with promises (that are never fulfilled) that things will get better.
Well I'm tired of it; this club is in a crisis - there is no unity, no ability to grind out a result - any result - and we are totally rudderless. Add in baffling team selections and tactics and you have to wonder how long this must continue before somebody starts seeing sense and starts asking the right questions and refuses to listen to the excuses, the promises and BS.
I'm tired of the excuses, promises and inane comments such as we were unlucky and we are improving. This club needs to start winning - and that's the bottom line, with no excuses and no BS. And if means big changes then so be it - because right now we are going in one direction and it isn't pretty. End of.
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Post by mfnc on Oct 2, 2012 18:41:46 GMT
agree philip.
what i saw last night was a shambles, we are going backwards, and injuries are just an excuse, we have the players to cover,(or should have with the amount of time and money available).
i want hughes to show some bollox and admit that he's team selections, tactics and substitutions are not quite 'gellin'at the moment.
because that will be our downfall in the long run
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Post by nomar on Oct 2, 2012 19:31:44 GMT
I (un)fortuantely do not have this ability to make light of a bad situation and pretend that is nowhere near as bad as it what it is - i.e I see it for what it is whether good or bad. I also have this aversion to BS as well. So what I'm seeing at the moment is a team with no form, a team that lacks direction and a team that lacks passion - with a coach that cannot change a thing. This is our worst ever start to a season and so far all I have heard is excuses from the club, the coach, the players - and sadly the fans - with promises (that are never fulfilled) that things will get better. Well I'm tired of it; this club is in a crisis - there is no unity, no ability to grind out a result - any result - and we are totally rudderless. Add in baffling team selections and tactics and you have to wonder how long this must continue before somebody starts seeing sense and starts asking the right questions and refuses to listen to the excuses, the promises and BS. I'm tired of the excuses, promises and inane comments such as we were unlucky and we are improving. This club needs to start winning - and that's the bottom line, with no excuses and no BS. And if means big changes then so be it - because right now we are going in one direction and it isn't pretty. End of. Straight and to the point. No beating about the (Shepherds) Bush with this one. Agree or not, you have to admire the cut of his jib.
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Post by mfnc on Oct 2, 2012 22:25:00 GMT
As for Warnock, his signings: Barton, Boothroyd, Gabbidon, SWP (who you dont like) DJ Campbell. Money well spent would you say? apart from swp and barton, which were the new regime signings, all those signings were bought on the cheap with money begrudgely given to warnock by the fatman, no player who had any class about them would consider coming to QPR in that period, we broke the 'briatore QPR funds' when we got bothroyd and dj, 1 million in transfer and the rest wages wasnt it on those two? the wages wouldnt matter because fatman knew he wasnt going to be about for long to pay it from his own money. gabbidon another on the cheap because fat man didnt want to part with his own cash to buy any better. warnock done his best with the funds and support given to him at the time by our previous devil ownners. that sentence in your post is nonsense manta.
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Post by ingham on Oct 3, 2012 16:37:36 GMT
I agree with those who suggest that Hughes is an instance of sack the manager syndrome, not an end to it. Hughes is here because we sacked the Manager. And the previous Manager was sacked because he wasn't winning.
Not much point giving Hughes even more money to spend if HE isn't going to win either. And there isn't much point in his admirers telling us he WILL win if it doesn't matter if he doesn't because his job is secure anyway.
So what is it that we disagree about so much?
Hughes' admirers say he will succeed. His critics say he must. No disagreement there. We don't know whether his admirers are right yet.
But we know the critics are.
I see no evidence of any long-term 'vision'. Every year, we get rid of all the materials used - the Manager, players - together with any work in progress - and start again. So, every year, we have to give the new Manager 'time'. Then we get a shedload of players, and we have to give all of them 'time'.
Constantly dismantling the set-up, clearing everything out, and starting again, disguises the absence of any long-term strategy. Each time it happens, we have to wait.
If they left any Manager in place, the limitations of the Club, the Board, the Manager and the playing staff would be all too obvious for anyone to see.
But if they can persuade us always to DISREGARD those shortcomings, on the grounds that we must give every new Manager 'time', then rubbish performance after rubbish performance doesn't 'count'.
And that way, the Club can go on producing rubbish without the people responsible ever having to answer for it, let alone PAY for it.
They just put up the prices, sack another Manager, bring in another herd of players who - the poor darlings - need 'time'.
Fine. Give them all the 'time' they want to get their act together, and if they eventually do, then it will be 'time' to PAY them. For whatever it is they have achieved.
I expect Hughes to win. No-one's stopping him.
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