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Post by marshbowles10 on Apr 28, 2013 19:14:49 GMT
Come on Mr Fernandez. Where is your usual "Have faith, we're on the way up. Stability is all that is needed. Faith in the players"
Perhaps after this afternoon's diabolical shambles you have finally realised that running a football club is not like running an airline.
So for Tone it is time to tweet
'These bunch of shites that I am my board of directors along with managers' sanctioned are not worthy of wearing the hoops and representing QPR. I have leaned a lesson the hard way and will not make the same mistakes again. To those faithful QPR fans that have given their time and money I apologise for making QPR one of the laughing stocks of football as witnessed by players and the manager this afternoon going down the tunnel at Reading. I am sorry"
Tony then please never tweet again....it's not what an owner does...the fans don't want nor expect it.......and make sure that come next August we have 11 players that actually want to play for QPR.
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Post by bowranger on Apr 28, 2013 19:18:07 GMT
@tonyfernandes 4h Sorry to all QPR fans. But the plan goes on. Now more than ever. We owe it to you. Took 3 years to get Caterham right. No quitting
Worth pointing out that Caterham are yet to register a point.
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Post by mfnc on Apr 28, 2013 19:28:22 GMT
i wish he would tweet what lessons he has learnt from his unprofessional running of our club since he took over.
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Post by jjqpr on Apr 28, 2013 20:45:38 GMT
Gice him a break he was the only person associated with QPR that actually looked as gutted as we all felt...everyone else was having a good old laugh. F***ers.
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Post by manta on Apr 28, 2013 21:02:18 GMT
Because running a football club is a piece of cake, right?\
Tony put his faith in certain people. They let him and us down with their empty promises. Hows that being "unprofessional?" Blame the manager and the players, but considering our chairman has put up money for players its hard to blame him entirely for this fiasco for a season. Yes he takes part responsibility but nothing that I see as damning.
Get over it and let's move on. Staying bitter and playing the blame game isn't going to help anyone.
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Post by mm2h on Apr 29, 2013 2:20:48 GMT
Because running a football club is a piece of cake, right?\ Tony put his faith in certain people. They let him and us down with their empty promises. Hows that being "unprofessional?" Blame the manager and the players, but considering our chairman has put up money for players its hard to blame him entirely for this fiasco for a season. Yes he takes part responsibility but nothing that I see as damning. Get over it and let's move on. Staying bitter and playing the blame game isn't going to help anyone. ABSOLUTELY! Too many 'fans' slagging off Tony and his partners. Like all his companies he puts his trust in the people he appoints to run those companies. He has been let down big time by Hughes and many of Hughes signings. Tony knows he has made mistakes. But he is more determined than ever to get it right at QPR. Its cost him millions to make these mistakes and yet he still wants to spend many more millions in his quest to make QPR a Premiership force. Too many 'fans' shooting from the hip. Too many 'Mr Angrys', Too many people who are far happier criticising and being destructive. Luckily there are plenty of fans who can state their displeasure at the teams performances but in a way that is factual and not destructive. As my Nan used to say, If you cant say something nice then don't say it at all . I have been a supporter for over 50 years. I have seen good teams and bad teams. This team is as bad as I have ever seen. Not their skill sets but their mind sets. Too many players bought who are to be honest 'mercenaries' and not very good ones at that. OK we are down. Get over it. Its just another disappointment in life. Lets all give Tony and his fellow owners our support (keep the faith) and our trust. The good times will be back, sooner rather than later.
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Post by bowranger on Apr 29, 2013 2:52:29 GMT
Agree with the sentiment (as in, I agree there's no point in just being abusive and pointing fingers without evidence) but I find that last post ridiculously patronising.
Writing things like 'fans'? Where do you get off implying people aren't fans because they are critical? You may be a fan of 50 years, what do you know about the people being critical? How long they have been going? How much time, money and loyalty they too have put in? I am the first to complain (have done many times on here) about random anger getting repetitive and pointless and I agree it's pointless if it's destructive. But I think views like yours are equally destructive.
I think that because you immediately club together all encompassing faith and trust in the boardroom with being a proper fan. You are talking about being 'factual' yet you say the "good times will be back sooner than later". That's not factual, it's just optimism. Which is wonderful - but it is as justifiable an opinion as people who are being sceptical or pessimistic. General consensus is that we don't really know where we are as a club probably until the end of next season. I am hoping for the best, I truly am - but I and loads of other fans are very sceptical and we have plenty of evidential reasons for feeling that way which have been expressed on here by lots of posters without destructive abuse.
Posts like this are destructive because it doesn't separate fans into simply having different opinions. It separates fans into the whole tired "real"/"proper" fans schtick just because people don't happen to share your unswerving faith. That attitude, to me, is more divisive than anything else.
My personal view is that Fernandes means well but has got a lot of things wrong. I'm not going to put my unswerving faith in any boardroom because all board rooms are transitory. The board is not the club - the club is bigger than the boardroom. I hope the current boardroom do well, and they have my support for when I feel they are doing the right thing. So I will be keeping the faith because I love QPR and want us to do well.
You may have 30 years on me support-wise but i've got 20 years of keeping the faith behind me and plenty more to come - and that certainly doesn't come from the basis of putting unswerving faith that the various owners of our club over the years were only going to be impeccable and successful. They deserve praise and support when they deliver, of course - but as custodians of our club they also demand a watchful eye. "If you can't say anything nice then don't say it all"? Sorry, but the club means too much to me to not bother speaking up if, in my opinion, things are not right. If that makes people like me a 'fan' rather than a fan in your eyes then so be it.
Not designed to be a personal attack, I assure you. I just think you're treating people with critical views like children - when in fact, for better or worse, they are loyal supporters who want the club to succeed and be stable just as much as you do.
And cut me some slack - I just saw my club relegated today.
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Post by mm2h on Apr 29, 2013 3:59:13 GMT
Slack cut:)
No patronisation intended. I am sure you are just as much a fan as I am and vice versa.
I saw our (not my) team relegated as well. Not for the first time but hopefully for the last ;D
It just gets my goat that there are so many people who seem to like to be negative and hardly ever have something truly constructive to say.
Its not only the players that need the right mind set but some fans too.
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Post by oldman on Apr 29, 2013 8:47:57 GMT
The season has been a huge disappointment and it is easy to see why some fans are angry and wish to single out individuals to blame. I found myself having flashbacks to 1968/69 when in my first year of going to Loftus Road the team were relegated with only four wins and eighteen points. At least then the team tried its best every week even though it was really not good enough in key positions.
But the world has changed and I am not sure that the kind of loyalty and desire that was (maybe) more common exists much anymore. The rewards are so staggering for even mediocre players at Premier League clubs that it is hardly surprising that the level of motivation is not as it should be, but all professional players are 'mercenary' in the sense that they will go to where the rewards are biggest but then most of us do the same thing in our employment. Of course there are some notable and noble exceptions in the work that people choose to do but the reality is that if a professional player can get a bigger pay packet they will take it. At the higher echelons of course the status of the club and the possible prestige that may be attached are also important but the bottom line is that it is about the money, just like many other jobs. I have worked for bosses who talk about how proud they are to be there and the traditions blah, blah who are gone in 18 months saying the same thing elsewhere. Is it the board or chairmans fault that the world of football is like that?
The previous owners were rounded on for interference, for a lack of investment in the playing squad, this group of owners recruited a man (Hughes) who had a reasonable track record, extensive premiership experience at clubs of a similar size, international experience as a player and coach, was that a wild or wacky choice at the time? Okay there may have been another candidate (there always is in football) but it was a rational choice. They certainly invested in recruiting players and let the manager manage.
In fairness I thought that the Hughes team were close to coming good, the draw at home to Chelsea was a good performance that lacked a finisher and maybe some variety in pace but was encouraging. That it went horribly wrong was presumably due to a lot of reasons but I do not see how Fernandes in particular can be held at fault for trying to get good people to manage the football side of things, they turned out not to be so good but he is not the first chairman to get it wrong on manager recruitment nor will he be the last.
Mistakes have been made and I hope like everyone else that the owners learn from them and have the determination to put them right but if the chairman wants to use social media to promote his perspective then fine, not a fan of it myself but if he is then fine. But why would anyone expect the messages to be other than positive or an attempt to keep people onside? How many people send out messages or make speeches telling people how awful or useless they are! It is simply a source of information, a perspective that has to be taken in context and added to other sources of information in order to reach a view.
The reality is that QPR have as much chance of going straight back to the Premiership as any other relegated club. People can point to the Swansea and Norwich example as a 'success' well maybe but how sustainable is it for them? They will have massive challenges maintaining their status just as we will if we go back up. Charlton were the 'old' example of how to succeed through being sensible, Ipswich I think qualified for Europe in the first season after promotion and were relegated the next.
In a League of 20 clubs with three relegation places and the rich clubs having been able to amass such a huge advantage in terms of cash generation there is no hope of a small club making a breakthrough unless it can reinvent itself and have a huge injection of cash that is sustained over a period of years. By that time the Premiership will have been abandoned by the big clubs for an international version with the rest left to fend for themselves just like the Football League was. Any owner outside of the top half a dozen or so is more likely to fail, experience relegation and get it wrong, our failure has thus far been more high profile but most of the big decisions they have made have been logical, they just got them wrong - it happens.
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Post by Macmoish on Apr 29, 2013 9:28:56 GMT
Today's Tweet (It's getting to annoy me)
Tony Fernandes @tonyfernandes 4m
The future pic.twitter.com/EmWV4ycgdw
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Post by mfnc on Apr 29, 2013 21:04:09 GMT
Slack cut:) No patronisation intended. I am sure you are just as much a fan as I am and vice versa. I saw our (not my) team relegated as well. Not for the first time but hopefully for the last ;D It just gets my goat that there are so many people who seem to like to be negative and hardly ever have something truly constructive to say. Its not only the players that need the right mind set but some fans too. fernandes is sh*t, but i like our big telly.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Apr 29, 2013 21:44:20 GMT
That's a small Telly, you need one twice the size and one at each end of the ground.
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Post by Macmoish on Apr 30, 2013 7:06:52 GMT
Sorry I'm not in your league, Maude re Fernandes!
Anyway it's his birthday...and he's even adopted "Onwards and Upwards!"
Tony Fernandes @tonyfernandes 2h
Morning everyone. 49 today. Lots to do. Lots to learn. Thanks for all the wishes. Onwards and upwards.
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Post by Macmoish on Apr 30, 2013 7:53:51 GMT
QPR Official Happy Birthday to R's Chairman @tonyfernandes from everyone at Loftus Road and the #QPR fans worldwide
Amit Bhatia @amit_Bhatia99 25m Happy Birthday to my friend, colleague and partner @tonyfernandes. Hope you have a great day. See you soon to celebrate!
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Post by Jon Doeman on Apr 30, 2013 8:54:57 GMT
Amit Bhatia @amit_Bhatia99 25m Happy Birthday to my friend, colleague and partner @tonyfernandes. Hope you have a great day. See you soon to celebrate! Them 2 seem to be getting on well these days.
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Post by sharky on Apr 30, 2013 14:35:41 GMT
Latest tweets OfficialQPR .@tonyfernandes: 'I think if we had more heart though, we would have fought harder. I don’t think the heart was there from all the players.' 15 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite OfficialQPR .@tonyfernandes: 'Relegation wasn’t solely down to those players who didn’t care as much as me and the other owners and the fans.' 16 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite OfficialQPR TF: 'I went to many games and having spoken to Ruben, Din and Amit, we always felt we could get out of it if the players wanted it enough.' 17 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite OfficialQPR TF: 'At the time we went with what the management believed in and if you believe in the management, you listen to what they are saying.' 18 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite OfficialQPR .@tonyfernandes: 'There’s no doubt – and hindsight is a wonderful thing – that some of our buys haven’t worked out' 19 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite OfficialQPR .@tonyfernandes: 'Much can be said about the buying process, but no one could argue that we should have kept the squad as it was...' 20 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite Read more: qprreport.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=tweets#ixzz2RxPq8DBG
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Post by Macmoish on Apr 30, 2013 14:38:07 GMT
So Park wasn't Board's idea?
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Post by bowranger on Apr 30, 2013 14:40:34 GMT
Certainly couldn't have kept the squad as it was, but it's not all hindsight. Still think that at clubs with a stable long term growth plan (Norwich, Swansea, West Brom etc. etc.) those signings would never have been sanctioned. We took a massive risk, went full tilt, and paid the price. Hopefully it will be lessons learnt.
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Post by Bushman on Apr 30, 2013 14:52:34 GMT
Certainly couldn't have kept the squad as it was, but it's not all hindsight. Still think that at clubs with a stable long term growth plan (Norwich, Swansea, West Brom etc. etc.) those signings would never have been sanctioned. We took a massive risk, went full tilt, and paid the price. Hopefully it will be lessons learnt. I personally can not see him changing on the lessons learned front. Which does not bode well for the future.
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Post by bowranger on Apr 30, 2013 15:36:56 GMT
Certainly couldn't have kept the squad as it was, but it's not all hindsight. Still think that at clubs with a stable long term growth plan (Norwich, Swansea, West Brom etc. etc.) those signings would never have been sanctioned. We took a massive risk, went full tilt, and paid the price. Hopefully it will be lessons learnt. I personally can not see him changing on the lessons learned front. Which does not bode well for the future. Yeah, right now I agree with you there.
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