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Post by blatantfowl on Aug 15, 2017 19:41:13 GMT
I agree and feel that if a player isn't quite ready to step straight into the Championship, the loan system is definitely the best option for them. ]All good discussion points but who was the last player we sent out on loan, who came back and established himself in the first team. Furlong is the closest to it at the moment and the Robinson situation has shown the down side of what can happen.
Robinson got badly injured and I don't think that is not a measure of whether loans are good or not. It can happen in any game or even in training. Nobody has become an established first teamer from the development squad in years, whether they have been out on loan or not. Mind you, I am setting a certain standard on what I would call established. I'd see this as achieving maybe 30 appearances in the space of 2 seasons?!?!?! We have a few that have had a handful of first team games but I don't really think of that as established. There are players in the first team squad this season who are no more established than say Antoine German was up until the point he was released. Of the current crop of youngsters who are on the edges of the first team squad, most have been purchased or signed from the youth systems of other clubs. Manning is probably the pick of the bunch. What they have in their favour is that QPR is in a period of cutting our cloth according to our means. In this atmosphere, they have a better chance than many of their predecessors.
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Post by blatantfowl on Aug 15, 2017 12:58:44 GMT
I think he is what you would call a late bloomer
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Post by blatantfowl on Aug 15, 2017 12:00:24 GMT
Good points Bow. Darnell Furlong was put into the first team under Chris Ramsey. It looked good for a couple of games and then he came up against Yannick Bolasie who completely destroyed him.
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Post by blatantfowl on Aug 15, 2017 10:30:05 GMT
We don't need Eze and Chair to break into the first team just yet. They need to go out on loan in L1 or L2 before they are ready to play Championship football on a consistent basis. Goss is considered as one for the future rather than the present as well. Furlong needs to break into the first team sooner rather than later as he's been out on a SUCCESSFUL loan. Shodipo, meanwhile, probably needs more loan experience. It is only really the outstanding young talent, Manning for example, who don't need that lower league loan experience quite so much. If the likes of Eze, Chair and Grego-Cox play in the first team on a regular basis this season then we will probably be really struggling. There are some seriuosly decent players and teams in the Championship these days - it has improved quite a bit the last season or two. The approach described above only leads to ensure that we will never become anywhere near financially viable, and that our plans to have a successful academy system will be doomed.
The whole point of the academy system is to develop players in house who can progress within the club and into the first team squad. Maybe only one or two a season but that is the way it works. If the end result is that the academy players are sent out on loan to gain experience there are several down sides.
Among those is that it becomes even more difficult to attract the young talent who want to develop to play for their team of choice.
Then we will continue having to spend money buying and paying older experienced players to play for the first team while the younger players are out on loan. Getting those sort of players in costs money and also blocks younger players for 2 or 3 seasons as they will brought in on contracts of at least that length. This is a cycle that can only be broken by bring some young players directly into the first team squad; One or two a season is all that is needed. As long as one, or if we are very lucky two, per season make it and we can retain them the base of the squad over a few years will become more and more home grown talent. Some of them may even be good enough to attract large transfer fees which the club will be dependent on to survive financially.
While out on loan the young players are coached into the style of their temporary club under the guidance of their temporary coaching staff. At the end of the loan they return to a style of coaching, tactics and team approach that will be foreign to what they have just learnt and we will still will not know if they are good enough for our level. Doughty is a prime example of one who was not good enough. Manning on the other hand was on the verge of being shown the door until Ollie had the courage to throw him straight in deep end with the first team and see if he could swim.
The only place to gain Championship experience and test and prove their ability is in the Championship. The only way to learn the tactics and approach of QPR is at QPR. We see teenagers break straight into the PL, we see teenagers break straight into the Championship and other levels. We should be keeping players like Eze at home with us, expose them to match day squads and crowds, start them with some sub appearances or just straight into the team when an injury occurs - that is how they gain experience and we will know very quickly if they can make it or we should let them move on.
If we had not thrown the likes of Gerry Francis, Martyn Busby, Paul Goddard, Clive Allen and many others into the first team we would not have progressed to the levels that we have achieved. The club are trying to get back to that sort of approach and away from the levels of spending that we cannot support.
I really fail to understand how loaning out our better development players helps them or the club.
Hey 57, I think you're on some wobbly ground here mate. It's not one or the other. For some players the correct route is into the first team and for others a loan is the right approach. I don't buy into the view that going to a different coaching setup means a player cannot learn and still integrate when they return to QPR. It's possible they can have trouble adapting but it is equally possible to thrive on seeing a different approach. I think most young players benefit from different styles and ideas. I think the financial impact you suggest is tenuous as well. Balancing the books hangs on whether we pay big transfer fees and big wages, not on our approach to the loan system. Effective use of loans (both in and out) is often part of a frugal approach. As for our historic heroes, Les Ferdinand's loan to Besiktas was a great success and was an important part of his development into our first team.
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Post by blatantfowl on Aug 13, 2017 18:53:32 GMT
Is no 10 Kevin Doyle?
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Post by blatantfowl on Aug 11, 2017 21:57:58 GMT
All correct, well done. Sorry for the boob Ashdown!
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Post by blatantfowl on Aug 11, 2017 14:57:14 GMT
This is fun..
Here is a few anagrams, along with the decade the played for us.
1. Robert Selfler - 2000s 2. Tham Realkey - 1990s 3. Mazy Boob Bra - 2010s 4. Josh Linnhol - 1970s 5. Jess Jaklant - 1990s 6. Garth Nall - Current 7. O Basic Hand Clamp - 2010s 8. Willie Voncs - 1990s 9. Fred Danniels - 80s/90s
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Post by blatantfowl on Aug 11, 2017 10:58:42 GMT
Not got all of them......but some... 1. Trevor Sinclair 2. Kaspar Gorkss (I think Darren Peacock's was longer - he still sports long hair now) 3. Tony Currie 4. Grant Hall 5. Les Ferdinand
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Post by blatantfowl on Aug 9, 2017 22:55:49 GMT
Norwich 3 qpr 1 Qpr 2 hull 0
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Post by blatantfowl on Aug 9, 2017 17:35:36 GMT
I looks like Richard Dunne to me Spot on Roller! Blatant was close, inadvertently... That's bloody difficult.... Player 1 Alan McDonald Player 2 Gavin Peacock Player 3 Dunno... Stephen Caulker (not sure he has ever been popular) Ha ha brilliant lol
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Post by blatantfowl on Aug 8, 2017 17:18:57 GMT
That's bloody difficult.... Player 1 Alan McDonald Player 2 Gavin Peacock Player 3 Dunno....Stephen Caulker (not sure he has ever been popular)
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Post by blatantfowl on Aug 8, 2017 16:45:41 GMT
Anyone of genuine quality is out of our reach at the moment.
If we could scrape together £2.5m to £3m and some sizeable wages then that opens up any number of experienced possibilities who could really make a difference. I wouldn't though. There is just too much uncertainty around our financial position to get back into that sort of territory.
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Post by blatantfowl on Aug 7, 2017 12:32:45 GMT
This match is a decent indicator that Ollie is not as tactically unaware as I have seen suggested many times.
He picked a team, tactics and format that not only suited the resources available but also exploited Reading's shortcomings.
It may not work every time but it was clear to see that this performance and result can be accredited to the way the team was set up.
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Post by blatantfowl on Aug 7, 2017 11:29:05 GMT
Clint Hill is available as a free agent. He is 38. He played 24 games for Rangers last season. If he is fit, able and willing to be cover, why not bring him back?
For example, David Weir played at centre back well into his 40s for Glasgow Rangers but he was still first choice and I think it is easier to stay fit at the that age if you are playing.
Can an older squad player stay fit and be ready when you need them?
*** oops - maybe posted a bit late as I did not see the Baptist signing is confirmed ***
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Post by blatantfowl on Aug 5, 2017 16:12:45 GMT
Great result but also well deserved because we performed well.
Reading were sluggish but we get full credit for this.
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Post by blatantfowl on Aug 4, 2017 16:25:12 GMT
QPR 1 -1 Reading QPR 3 - 1 Northampton Sheffield Wednesday 2 - 1 QPR
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Post by blatantfowl on Jul 31, 2017 17:14:21 GMT
Perch still awful at the back, yeah and still absolutely loves a mindless hard challenge through the back of someone in non-dangerous areas of the pitch. Still reckon he provides good utility cover if you sit him in front of the defence (the Hall role) but he's a poor right back. Perch's versatility is his only asset. He seems slow to read the game, gives up possession needlessly and cannot distribute the ball with any accuracy. His performance at RB is only better than his performances at CB, where is does not ever seem to know where to stand. I don't think he would be much better at DM. I would never let him near the starting lineup but he would always be on the bench because he can at least give it a go in any position across the back and the middle. It's really frustrating that out of the list of CMs we have, there isn't any one of them that can play in the DM role to the same standard or better than Hall. It's actually a simple job, which when done effectively makes all the difference; break up play, close people down, get the ball and distribute it (or give it to someone who can). I bet even Mackie would do a better job there than most!
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Post by blatantfowl on Jul 26, 2017 17:31:51 GMT
We've been linked with Tommie Hoban from Watford who's a centre back for a few weeks now. He's currently injured which has held any deal up.I wish we had applied that logic to the Mark Hateley deal. I think enough time has passed that you could let it go Mark!
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Post by blatantfowl on Jul 26, 2017 9:49:58 GMT
I was listening to the golf coverage on the radio and they randomly interviewed actor David Morrisey who is a Liverpool fan. His first game was at Anfield versus QPR. His biggest memory and the reason he is a fan to this day was not Liverpool but Stan Bowles. Not only the incredible skill he showed on the day but also the banter and the way he played up to the Kop with a smile and a laugh. Stan is loved across all football, not only with us.
But I have posted on here before that I do not believe raising funds for Stan and his family is the correct path. The majority of the money should go to the Alzheimer's Society or another dementia charity so that it can be used for the greater good, to aid the millions who suffer without care or to find a cure for this brutal disease. I definitely mean millions as anyone who has had experience of dementia will know, the patient is only one part of the suffering and the family and friends go through hell as they watch their loved one deteriorate.
The decisions are not in Stan's hands. My admiration for him is not diminished nor do I begrudge a point of view that different to my own. One day this disease will catch up with Stan and we will have to say goodbye. When that sad day comes, what better legacy can he have than to have contributed to easing or ending the suffering or millions or people.
My Mum has dementia. As well as raising 3 boys she was worked full time as a shopkeeper. We will sell her assets to cover her care bill of £1000 a week. We have sold her shop (half that money is now gone) and I spent the last few months preparing her house to be rented out. Next we will eat through her savings and eventually we will sell her house. Mum hoped that her 3 boys and grandchildren would receive her legacy but once we found ourselves dealing with her dementia we consider ourselves lucky that we can use the inheritance to pay for her care. For example, it allows us some choice such as keeping her in a care facility in our home town where the standard of care is very good and we can visit easily. Without it, the local authority could place her anywhere and if the money runs out maybe one day they will.
I am sorry for that last bit being nothing to do with football but I get very emotional about this topic and about what so many in our position are going through.
Good luck Stan, I hope you and your family have a great day.
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Post by blatantfowl on Jul 18, 2017 22:24:45 GMT
Yes it's true. A bomb went off but we got away lightly. The only injury was Jamie Mackie who turned his head slightly to see what the commotion was and ruptured himself. He's out for the season.
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Post by blatantfowl on Jul 18, 2017 11:51:32 GMT
Glad to see its all working then. Do we really need a players committee when we have Feng Shui. Wonder what Brian Clough would make of a players committee The genius that was Brian Clough would not last a season in the modern game.
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Post by blatantfowl on Jul 15, 2017 22:15:48 GMT
I like it. With that group on board it will be much more difficult for troublesome players or lazy arses to hide. After all, Bosingwa was not that long ago.... Joey barton was leader of that players committee. He done a good job with bosingwa didn't he . Joey Barton was a one man players committee.
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Post by blatantfowl on Jul 12, 2017 16:15:02 GMT
I like it. With that group on board it will be much more difficult for troublesome players or lazy arses to hide. After all, Bosingwa was not that long ago....
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Post by blatantfowl on Jul 6, 2017 11:58:14 GMT
What would we prefer they tell us?
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Post by blatantfowl on Jul 4, 2017 16:22:50 GMT
Ollie has obviously supported him as we have come to expect from the real good side of Ollie and I am sure he would get him back in the team if fit and able. According to this report LF says they are waiting for him to come back and to say he is ready to play football. This though does not hang well with the comment from Caulkers interview that the owners have made it clear that he is not welcome back. Who do we believe ? Or is there a difference of opinion between the football management and the owners? Will we ever know? Of course the owners would want a "mended" Caulker back. There is some subtlety in the interpretation. They probably dont want him back until he has proven his intention to accept his condition, take responsibility for it and start the journey to get better. He has splurged out a massive explanation of how he has come to be in his situation and taken some responsibility. The fact that he has gone from no acknowledgement of the problem to this huge venting of his issues (including the swipe at his employers) tells me he is far from being in the mindset he needs to be. There is no quick fix for Stephen and his journey might require the club to suspend his contract or sack him. We should not assume the club are trying to take the chance to offload him. My take is that its all up to him.
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Post by blatantfowl on Jun 22, 2017 18:18:15 GMT
No more experimenting please Ollie. Get the players you want, build the team and, other than the odd tactical necessity, stick with it.
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Post by blatantfowl on Jun 5, 2017 15:50:55 GMT
No but I designed the logo back in 1991 and it hasn't changed! You must have earned a fortune from that?!?!?
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Post by blatantfowl on May 25, 2017 16:10:25 GMT
I dont like LF never have if im honest . Lets keep these lads and see them blossom , and all speculation around smithies should be dispelled by telling other clubs no deal FO Yeah I have never liked him either. All those goals and keeping us in the Premiership. Just awful.
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Post by blatantfowl on May 25, 2017 15:58:04 GMT
Leeds fan I know thinks it is because Monk is already in talks with Palace
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Post by blatantfowl on May 25, 2017 13:25:16 GMT
I'm a history teacher by day, so a "new" stadium would never be better than tradition in my opinion. I do understand the economics behind new stadiums, but can't we just slowly renovate stands one section at a time? It's done here with American football stadiums all the time at the college level. It can be done. Is an entirely new site really necessary? But if you like history you'll also know that our origins are nomadic
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