NO1QPRNZ
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"Remember sometimes you have to go backwards to go forwards"UuuRrrSsssss.
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Post by NO1QPRNZ on Nov 6, 2016 21:25:32 GMT
I would Love to see Sean Derry and Clint Hill together in charge. or maybe someday?
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Post by harr on Nov 6, 2016 21:28:19 GMT
I would Love to see Sean Derry and Clint Hill together in charge. or maybe someday? All the cash going on Clement and Holloway
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Post by Roller on Nov 6, 2016 22:51:18 GMT
I don't want our next manager to be anyone that I like, so Shaun Derry and Clint Hill should not be in the running. Likewise nor should Gareth Ainsworth. The chances of the next manager succeeding are slightly higher than those that Hasselbaink had, but still heavily in favour of failing. Where's Mullery when you need him?
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Post by sharky on Nov 6, 2016 22:59:43 GMT
My head is spinning with how fast things are changing!
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Post by Lonegunmen on Nov 7, 2016 3:44:09 GMT
El Tel !
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Post by sharky on Nov 7, 2016 5:34:43 GMT
I thought he was dead (or at least too old for all of this) Lone, but you could sub in as his "First Team" coach!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 5:40:35 GMT
Of all the names mentioned I'd take Clement , would like to see Clint brought back as assistant as well but doing well at Rangers , well done Jfh for getting rid of him in the first place
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Post by kenthoop on Nov 7, 2016 6:16:06 GMT
too slow for the pressing game according to the knob ,the pressing game my arse ,never seen it ,all I have seen is Γ man completely out if his depth ,inherited a team from Rowett and everyone thought he was our saviour ,as i said I never wanted him and if I am being totally honest I am glad he has gone ,but we have to get the next appointment right ,I think we have had nineteen managers in ten years ,not exactly a good record is it ,surely we have to get it right sometime ,sthough I would not put any money on it afterall we haven't got it right so far so why should it be any different this time
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NO1QPRNZ
Dave Sexton
"Remember sometimes you have to go backwards to go forwards"UuuRrrSsssss.
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Post by NO1QPRNZ on Nov 7, 2016 6:25:03 GMT
Well I hope we get it right this time a Manager with a Football Brain and can change the System when required. As I am sure with what I have seen we have got in some very good players so we need the right System and the players playing in the right position.Whoever is appointed needs support from the Fans as we will still get some Losses on the Ledger as this is a very competitive tough tough League.UuuuuRrrrrrrSsssssss
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Post by Lonegunmen on Nov 7, 2016 9:29:17 GMT
So the vacancy advert should read:
Must have a Plan A and a Plan B Must play with 2 up front at home. Must appoint a new Captain - a real leader on and off the field. Must not be Ex Spurs.
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Post by bowranger on Nov 7, 2016 10:15:06 GMT
too slow for the pressing game according to the knob ,the pressing game my arse ,never seen it ,all I have seen is Γ man completely out if his depth ,inherited a team from Rowett and everyone thought he was our saviour ,as i said I never wanted him and if I am being totally honest I am glad he has gone ,but we have to get the next appointment right ,I think we have had nineteen managers in ten years ,not exactly a good record is it ,surely we have to get it right sometime ,sthough I would not put any money on it afterall we haven't got it right so far so why should it be any different this time Micro-cosm of the entire issue. Nineteen managers in ten years "not exactly a good record", saying we'll probably not get the next appointment right but stating that JFH was going to crap from the start and wanting another managerial change. Perhaps it's not the manager who's the main issue here? It's like me having a leaking pipe and I keep changing plumbers because none of them have fixed it properly and then ten plumbers later I realise I've been telling them to fix the wrong pipe. But yeah, more blood more blood more blood innit - it's like our fans have been turned into junkies since the Briatore era. If it doesn't work, throw it all in the bin. Not playing well, sack the manager, add another layer of new signings on top - as kenthoop says, "not exactly a good record". I'm not saying JFH wasn't failing, I'm not saying he wouldn't have got better either - but for context, every single one of my non-QPR supporting mates were shocked by JFH being sacked. People can say "well they don't sit through the games every week" but some of them do because I drag them along with me and frankly I reckon they've seen more 90 minutes of QPR than a high percentage of fans on twitter crying at TF about it.
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 7, 2016 10:28:23 GMT
10 Championship clubs have sacked their managers already this season and there were a similar number sacked by this stage last season. That puts us about mid table I think and by the end of the season (or much sooner) we will be in the majority ! Still the grass is always greener outside of Loftus Road. It's not the any one #QPR manager. ITs the time and time and time again. ANd the appointments
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Post by bowranger on Nov 7, 2016 10:29:47 GMT
So the vacancy advert should read: Must have a Plan A and a Plan B Must play with 2 up front at home Must appoint a new Captain - a real leader on and off the field Must not be Ex Spurs Must have a Plan A and a Plan B - definitely. We've been really poor at in-game management in particular. If our system isn't working out, we've got to have a manager who can spot issues and act to deal with them. Must play with 2 up front at home - unpopular opinion but I think we've often looked weaker with two up-front, particularly when it's Sylla and Polter together. I think we're at our most dangerous with a big guy up top with the likes of Washington, Chery and Wszolek swarming around behind. Our biggest issue, I think, is that Polter and Sylla receive the ball well under pressure then have no-one around to support them. The gap is too big between midfield and attack. Must appoint a new Captain - a real leader on and off the field - yeah, maybe. I'm not sure - there aren't many long-time players left at the club and Ned is one of them. I think he's smart and a good bloke but agree that he doesn't have a lot of the qualities you'd normally want (vocal, taking control, gee'ing other players up etc.). Maybe Bidwell next season? Must not be Ex Spurs - unfortunately, some of our fans (including on here) still reckon that JFH and Hasselbaink were "pals" before he got the job which is the most obvious dog whistle ever. But agree that the Spurs connection in particular does not win any favours with the fanbase. I don't necessarily agree but it's interesting how that argument only works sometimes. In other industries, you wouldn't hire someone you didn't have some kind of connection with because you wouldn't trust someone you had no direct experience with. Warnock re-signs players all the time and no-one seems to think that's a conspiracy.
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Post by sharky on Nov 7, 2016 10:41:39 GMT
From the Evening Standard www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/qpr-set-to-confirm-tim-sherwood-as-their-new-manager-following-sacking-of-jimmy-floyd-hasselbaink-a3388881.htmlQPR set to confirm Tim Sherwood as their new manager following sacking of Jimmy Floyd HasselbainkSIMON JOHNSON 11 minutes ago QPR are expected to confirm that Tim Sherwood will be their new manager by tomorrow night following the sacking of Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink. Director of Football Les Ferdinand has been in talks with the former Tottenham manager and is confident Sherwood will accept the post. Rangers tried to employ Sherwood after Harry Redknapp left in 2015 but talks broke down over his wage demands and he joined Aston Villa. Sherwood, who worked with Ferdinand at Spurs as an academy coach, is ready to return to management having lost his job at Villa Park 13 months ago. It is understood another former colleague at Spurs, Chris Ramsey, will be upgraded from his role in charge of youth development at Loftus Road to become his assistant. Ramsey was given the managerβs job at QPR after the move for Sherwood fell through, but he was demoted a year ago. Hasselbaink took his place having impressed at Burton Albion, but he won just 14 of his 47 matches at QPR and it is believed many of the players had lost faith in his methods. Rangers considered firing him during the last international break a month ago but he earned a stay of execution with a 2-1 victory over Fulham. The issue was complicated as the club carried out an investigation into claims made against Hasselbaink by the Daily Telegraph with suggestions of a potential conflict of interest. QPR cleared him of the allegations but he has paid the price for poor results with the team 17th in the Championship, one place above his former club Burton.
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Post by sharky on Nov 7, 2016 10:56:45 GMT
....and the opposite from westlondonsport?! www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/sherwood-looks-running-qpr-job?Sherwood looks out of the running for QPR jobBy David McIntyre 07/11/2016 Tim Sherwood appears to be out of the running to take over as QPR manager. Sherwood, a close friend of Les Ferdinand who worked with the Rangers director of football during their time together at Tottenham and more recently had a spell as Aston Villa manager, is the odds-on favourite to succeed Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink. He is one of a number of potential candidates the Rangers hierarchy have discussed, but by Monday morning the chances of Sherwood being appointed looked slim. QPRβs owners are admirers of ex-Derby manager Paul Clement, now assistant to Bayern Munich boss Carlo Ancelotti. The 44-year-old son of former QPR and England right-back Dave Clement was lined up to take over at Loftus Road following the departure of Harry Redknapp in February 2015. At the time he was Ancelottiβs right-hand man at Real Madrid and wanted to see out the remaining months of his contract at the Spanish club. Chris Ramsey was therefore installed at QPR initially as a stop-gap, but impressed during the early stages of his time in charge and was given the job on a permanent basis. Clement subsequently took over as manager at Derby, who sacked him in February this year with the club fifth in the Championship table. Hasselbaink, fired after Saturdayβs 1-1 draw at Nottingham Forest, became QPR manager in December 2015. Kenny Jackett, then facing an uncertain future at Wolves, was strongly suggested to Rangersβ owners but they chose Hasselbaink. Jackett, who was assistant manager at QPR for much of Ian Hollowayβs reign as boss, recently took over at Rotherham. Birmingham manager Gary Rowett was also in Rangersβ sights last year but stayed at St Andrews. Holloway, currently working as a television pundit, would be a popular choice among many fans were he to return for a second spell. Steve Cotterill, briefly on the coaching staff at Rangers under Redknapp, wants the job. Karl Robinson, who recently left MK Dons, was not seriously considered by QPR last year but could be interviewed this time around.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Nov 7, 2016 12:23:05 GMT
I wonder if Sherwoods wage expectations have taken a backward step?
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Nov 7, 2016 12:55:29 GMT
Betting odds still show Sherwood as favourite, but WLS's comments would seem to rule him out now. Clement and Ollie are now next favourites. I'd be really pleased to see Clement as our new manager, for all sorts of reasons. But if Clement is seen as too inexperienced and Ollie too 'risky', how about an Ollie/Clement partnership Γ la Clough/Taylor?
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Post by harr on Nov 7, 2016 13:21:11 GMT
I wish the top Name was removed from that list but apart from him, there''s some good names on there for sure.
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Post by bowranger on Nov 7, 2016 13:33:16 GMT
I wonder if Sherwoods wage expectations have taken a backward step? You'd bloody hope so hehe.
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Post by rangerjake on Nov 7, 2016 14:35:45 GMT
Can anyone tell me what Paul Clement's style of play would be? What kind of football would we be likely to play under him?
It seems to be me that the good or bad of firing JFH depends on the who you hire next, not whether JFH was a good manager or deserved more time.
It was said, as a result of having learned our lesson etc., that we wanted to "play" a certain way so if we hire a manager that plays that way (pressing game? Anyone?) and move forward with that plan then this can be a good move.
If, on the other hand, we hire someone who brings a totally different style then he doesn't have the players he needs to execute that plan, and we go through another two transfer windows of huge turnover because of it and we're back on the merry-go-round. Which is not good.
Would love to hear from someone with more knowledge about Clement and what kind of football he plays. He got sacked at Derby while fifth in the table, I've heard because he didn't agree with ownership about how the team should be playing even though the results weren't that poor.
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Nov 7, 2016 14:40:44 GMT
I hear a mister D. Trump could be available after tomorrow... No experience in politics - no experience in football. Mouthier than Warnock, more orange than Flavio. More hair than Ollie, more sexist than Mourinho. Too rich to have to pimp for distracting Β£50k lecturing jobs in the Far East. Trumps' gotta be the No1 candidate for the job, surely!? Unless of course he wins tomorrow, in which case QPR's next managerial appointment is academic, as we'll all be disappearing a cloud of nuclear fallout any time time soon...
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Post by bowranger on Nov 7, 2016 14:51:13 GMT
Can anyone tell me what Paul Clement's style of play would be? What kind of football would we be likely to play under him? It seems to be me that the good or bad of firing JFH depends on the who you hire next, not whether JFH was a good manager or deserved more time. It was said, as a result of having learned our lesson etc., that we wanted to "play" a certain way so if we hire a manager that plays that way (pressing game? Anyone?) and move forward with that plan then this can be a good move. If, on the other hand, we hire someone who brings a totally different style then he doesn't have the players he needs to execute that plan, and we go through another two transfer windows of huge turnover because of it and we're back on the merry-go-round. Which is not good. Would love to hear from someone with more knowledge about Clement and what kind of football he plays. He got sacked at Derby while fifth in the table, I've heard because he didn't agree with ownership about how the team should be playing even though the results weren't that poor. Stolen some links from elsewhere to Derby sites with some opinion on this: 'The Sacking of Paul Clement': viewfromtheweststand.blogspot.co.uk/2016/02/the-sacking-of-paul-clement.htmlSome views from their messageboard debating the apparent lack of goals: dcfcfans.uk/topic/19932-the-goals-will-come/I don't know much about him other than his experience at Real Madrid - I didn't follow Derby closely during his time there. I've heard it repeated a lot that his sacking was for alleged personal/off-the-pitch issues and that the whole thing about 'style of play' was a red herring - although, as you'll see on the second link, plenty of people did complain about them setting up too defensive.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Nov 7, 2016 15:45:54 GMT
I love it!!! Someone has been playing with Wikipedia.........
Paul Clement (born 8 January 1972) is an English professional football manager. He assisted Carlo Ancelotti as manager at Chelsea, Paris Saint-Germain and Real Madrid. Clement has also previously held coaching roles at Fulham, Blackburn Rovers and the Ireland under-21 team. On November the 7th 2016 he was named Queens Park Rangers Head Coach.
1996β1999 Chelsea (academy coach) 1999β2007 Fulham (academy coach) 2000 Republic of Ireland U21 (coach) 2007β2009 Chelsea (coach) 2009β2011 Chelsea (assistant manager) 2011β2012 Blackburn Rovers (coach) 2012β2013 Paris Saint-Germain (assistant manager) 2013β2015 Real Madrid (assistant manager) 2015β2016 Derby County
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Post by tom007 on Nov 7, 2016 15:52:35 GMT
dont want clement for reasons above, too innexperienced in the hot seat.
there has been a lot of problems at our club and i think the manager is near bottom of the list , can it be all managers are shit , can all players some being household names come to our club and suddenly they can hardly kick a ball without tripping up , they become useless players and managers void of ideas , (can it be all of them) The issues lie deep in the heart with an owner , i know director of football has taken some stick and i dont agree with the job anyway so dont see any point for him to be honest but this was happening before he came along for the roller coaster ride.
this all lies at the feet of one man obviously , so obvious in fact cheetah from tarzan could work it out , and he was quite clever by the way , lol. park got brought in and was paraded by TF in malaysia and anywhere else he had business associates , he was bought on TF,s say so , for a selling point more than anything else and although nothing new in that it does not bode well when you think if he was bought on TF,s say so how many others were , how many of the sides we have put out were jfh,s , i know sandro has been an issue but lets face it if you were asked to put out henry or sandro i know who i would put out there, i just think there has been 2 or 3 people with input into who plays and who does not , and the manager who lets face it can hardly speak in an interview is hardly likely to rock the boat and will just go along with whatever he is told because as well as burton are doing they do not have the high profile we do. jfh was just happy to be here , under what role it could just be that it was just for the cameras as park was as a player , there is a pattern emerging with redknapp kicking and screaming before he left about director of football and having his arms tied on transfer window day , someone is playing football manager from his ivory tower in a land far far away and is seen often if the owners box and he may know a lot about business but knows naff all about football , we need a manager strong no nonsense who can run the football side of things , unfortunately we have an owner who is unwilling to let go of his dream of running everything and a decent manager will not arrive at west london anytime soon all the time this is allowed to continue, even percentage wise you would expect a manager to do well and for a while i think we had that under warnock , i have seen stuff on social media some fans have put him in the bracket of hughes and rednapp for wasting money , i cant believe that as warnock had to run with a very limited budget , free transfers the majority and as for the wages that was down to TF as everything else is , warnock went into the premiere with us spending virtually naff all. well i will end it there whoever comes in there will be an initial improvement in results because players will be trying to impress but given 6 months the interference i believe will start up again , he cant resist getting involved in his investment.lol there will be people who disagree with everything i have written and that is debate and expected and for those saying but he does not get involved anymore he is hardly seen , well there is phones and internet and lets face it he loves twitter, .
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Post by harr on Nov 7, 2016 17:14:33 GMT
A bit off track but Rodney reckons our Club has currently lost its soul? He hasnt suggested a Manager yet but hopefully will be happy with the outcome. Things have changed since the 60 / 70's on most fronts but the Club still has soul imo.
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Post by FloridaR on Nov 7, 2016 18:30:36 GMT
I'm not seeing why Clement would come to QPR unless he wants to retire from the top of the game & be his own man. He's a Coach used plying his trade among big crowds every season. Seems the systems he helps with are always 2 strikers or 4-3-3. Beggars believe that some are saying he's inexperienced, for gods sake look at Clements history at the highest levels of the game.
If TF was lucky enough to get Clements interest I hope he would give him a top salary and at least 2 year contract with free role to dispose of people like Chris Ramsey etc at the development level in the club and start over.
Another shout would be Roberto DeMatteo if he has a backup group of coaches ready and obvious choice for me would be attacking style of football with Jorge Sampoali but not in a million years at QPR unless we were in the prem again.
No to Sherwood, toxic affect and same system of play with the Ram as assistant
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Post by harr on Nov 7, 2016 19:48:54 GMT
I'm not seeing why Clement would come to QPR unless he wants to retire from the top of the game & be his own man. He's a Coach used plying his trade among big crowds every season. Seems the systems he helps with are always 2 strikers or 4-3-3. Beggars believe that some are saying he's inexperienced, for gods sake look at Clements history at the highest levels of the game. If TF was lucky enough to get Clements interest I hope he would give him a top salary and at least 2 year contract with free role to dispose of people like Chris Ramsey etc at the development level in the club and start over. Another shout would be Roberto DeMatteo if he has a backup group of coaches ready and obvious choice for me would be attacking style of football with Jorge Sampoali but not in a million years at QPR unless we were in the prem again. No to Sherwood, toxic affect and same system of play with the Ram as assistant Its never straight forward. Some wont want to work alongside or under Les Ferdinand, others wont mind. Re this.... (If TF was lucky enough to get Clements interest I hope he would give him a top salary and at least 2 year contract with free role to dispose of people like Chris Ramsey etc at the development level in the club and start over. ) This could be an interesting one and again an area where we will soon find out if a Manager has accepted certain terms or wanted his own staff. We also have Karsa at the club, he used to be a good number 2 with Culverhouse when working in the trio with Lambert at Colchester, Norwich and Villa before the Villa fall out.
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Post by Roller on Nov 7, 2016 20:00:50 GMT
I'm not seeing why Clement would come to QPR unless he wants to retire from the top of the game & be his own man. He's a Coach used plying his trade among big crowds every season. Seems the systems he helps with are always 2 strikers or 4-3-3. Beggars believe that some are saying he's inexperienced, for gods sake look at Clements history at the highest levels of the game. If TF was lucky enough to get Clements interest I hope he would give him a top salary and at least 2 year contract with free role to dispose of people like Chris Ramsey etc at the development level in the club and start over. Another shout would be Roberto DeMatteo if he has a backup group of coaches ready and obvious choice for me would be attacking style of football with Jorge Sampoali but not in a million years at QPR unless we were in the prem again. No to Sherwood, toxic affect and same system of play with the Ram as assistant Why would we want to start over at the development level? For the first time since God know's when we have got an academy graduate in the team, two more regularly in the matchday squad and we've even managed to receive a transfer fee for one! Surely this is the best state our academy has been in for years and years?
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Post by Marc on Nov 7, 2016 20:23:13 GMT
I'm not seeing why Clement would come to QPR unless he wants to retire from the top of the game & be his own man. He's a Coach used plying his trade among big crowds every season. Seems the systems he helps with are always 2 strikers or 4-3-3. Beggars believe that some are saying he's inexperienced, for gods sake look at Clements history at the highest levels of the game. If TF was lucky enough to get Clements interest I hope he would give him a top salary and at least 2 year contract with free role to dispose of people like Chris Ramsey etc at the development level in the club and start over. Another shout would be Roberto DeMatteo if he has a backup group of coaches ready and obvious choice for me would be attacking style of football with Jorge Sampoali but not in a million years at QPR unless we were in the prem again. No to Sherwood, toxic affect and same system of play with the Ram as assistant Why would we want to start over at the development level? For the first time since God know's when we have got an academy graduate in the team, two more regularly in the matchday squad and we've even managed to receive a transfer fee for one! Surely this is the best state our academy has been in for years and years? I think he just wants Ramsey gone because he wasn't very good in the 1st team manager's role. Short sightedness and narrow mindedness at its best.
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Post by blatantfowl on Nov 7, 2016 20:23:21 GMT
The academy is fine.
My preference is for Holloway but he may want to bring people with him. Maybe he'd want to bring an assistant (Penrice?) but otherwise he would need to work within the setup we have already. Should at least be able to work with LF without any friction, spent enough time together as players.
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