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Post by scarletpimple on Nov 11, 2016 15:34:45 GMT
Follow Matt Winton β@mattwinton1 Someone who knows his stuff just told me it's not IH π
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Post by bowranger on Nov 11, 2016 16:03:27 GMT
Point is, what employer would employ a previous employee who since leaving your employment, has been sacked not once or twice but three f**ing times and brings a novice as his assistant, what would you call that employer, Brave, stupid, thick, meek please add cause i am dumbfounded. Five years of constant F*ckups from the owners how long must this continue. I largely blame the owners too but there's also a hell of a lot to do with trying to be appease our fanbase. You can put part of that back on the owners to some extent - you raise expectations and make big promises, you can expect a toxic atmosphere when it doesn't go to plan. But nonetheless, a chunk of this is us, as fans, getting what 'we' deserve. After every dip in form, a decent amount of our fanbase scream out for huge changes - more players, different manager, different DoF or getting rid of the role completely - it's almost always about more blood and it doesn't work. Plenty of people realised that after a while, the "experienced football men" we had cried out for were, even with their successes, essentially bankrupting the club and filling our squad with layer upon layer of experienced footballers coming for a last payday with foul attitudes. We then called for a restoration of pride - hungry players who actually want to be at QPR and see it as a step-up, taking chances on promising players and managers, giving them time. First full transfer window, an overhauled squad on a shoestring budget, in midtable - fans hound out the manager. So yeah, the club has an itchy trigger finger and I think, whilst we're in a relatively good period in terms of the direction the club is starting to go into, the board will continue to fu'ck up. But you can't pretend that if you've been at a home game or taken a look on twitter or messageboards that the board have acted here on a whim - they're appeasing our fans, the same fans who have started walking away. Can you imagine playing at LR as a QPR player right now? We're almost at Molineux levels of abuse and impatience with our own players. Bottom line of all this is that an employer would potentially hire someone like that because it's November. If you're a high quality, experienced manager, you aren't free in November. You're in work. You wait til May, contracts end, people don't get renewed, people get sacked - you've got a decent pick. But we havn't, I think the board have made an error there but you only have to click around here a bit or on other boards or social media to see that they've given a load of 'us' what we wanted. If our fanbase are going to call for the managers head in November, then the club have to go on a recruitment hunt in November and, shock horror, it's slim pickings.
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 11, 2016 16:19:42 GMT
I presume it will be a 12 Month Rolling Contract...If it's not, stupid
It hurts because I think we all like Holloway - and while we obviously want every QPR Manager to do well; we also want Holloway to succeed because he's Holloway - and it will hurt more if (when, I think) he doesn't meet whatever goal of the day is.
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Post by scarletpimple on Nov 11, 2016 16:43:41 GMT
Surly not that many people were calling for Holloway on twitter, just a few on the message boards they were well outnumbered by those against, most wanted Clement Holloway was way down the list, if the board has listened to few twitter moaners like in the past, they need to grow some balls or go.
You can't run a football club with a few twitter ravers telling you what to do and laughingly trying to appease them....prob against the wishes of the silent majority.
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Post by Dufster on Nov 11, 2016 16:56:01 GMT
Point is, what employer would employ a previous employee who since leaving your employment, has been sacked not once or twice but three f**ing times and brings a novice as his assistant, what would you call that employer, Brave, stupid, thick, meek please add cause i am dumbfounded. Five years of constant F*ckups from the owners how long must this continue. I largely blame the owners too but there's also a hell of a lot to do with trying to be appease our fanbase. You can put part of that back on the owners to some extent - you raise expectations and make big promises, you can expect a toxic atmosphere when it doesn't go to plan. But nonetheless, a chunk of this is us, as fans, getting what 'we' deserve. After every dip in form, a decent amount of our fanbase scream out for huge changes - more players, different manager, different DoF or getting rid of the role completely - it's almost always about more blood and it doesn't work. Plenty of people realised that after a while, the "experienced football men" we had cried out for were, even with their successes, essentially bankrupting the club and filling our squad with layer upon layer of experienced footballers coming for a last payday with foul attitudes. We then called for a restoration of pride - hungry players who actually want to be at QPR and see it as a step-up, taking chances on promising players and managers, giving them time. First full transfer window, an overhauled squad on a shoestring budget, in midtable - fans hound out the manager. So yeah, the club has an itchy trigger finger and I think, whilst we're in a relatively good period in terms of the direction the club is starting to go into, the board will continue to fu'ck up. But you can't pretend that if you've been at a home game or taken a look on twitter or messageboards that the board have acted here on a whim - they're appeasing our fans, the same fans who have started walking away. Can you imagine playing at LR as a QPR player right now? We're almost at Molineux levels of abuse and impatience with our own players. Bottom line of all this is that an employer would potentially hire someone like that because it's November. If you're a high quality, experienced manager, you aren't free in November. You're in work. You wait til May, contracts end, people don't get renewed, people get sacked - you've got a decent pick. But we havn't, I think the board have made an error there but you only have to click around here a bit or on other boards or social media to see that they've given a load of 'us' what we wanted. If our fanbase are going to call for the managers head in November, then the club have to go on a recruitment hunt in November and, shock horror, it's slim pickings. Crikey, he hasnt even got the job yet - Why so caustic, only see what you want to see from his sackings - Guardiola aside every fkin Manager gets sacked at some point! He got Blackpool and Palace promoted FFS!l
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Post by nomar on Nov 11, 2016 17:04:52 GMT
Surly not that many people were calling for Holloway on twitter, just a few on the message boards they were well outnumbered by those against, most wanted Clement Holloway was way down the list, if the board has listened to few twitter moaners like in the past, they need to grow some balls or go. You can't run a football club with a few twitter ravers telling you what to do and laughingly trying to appease them....prob against the wishes of the silent majority. What makes you think that? Clement is the clear flavour of the month option amongst QPR fans. I don't have Twitter but the few QPR fans I read on there aren't saying anything about endorsing Holloway. Holloway isn't appointed officially yet but if they do appoint him I can fully understand the reasons why and they do make a lot more sense than most QPR fans think. TF is an idiot when it comes to making decisions for the good of QPR but an IH appointment doesn't strike me as them acting on the basis of listening to a few heretic voices on twitter.
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Post by scarletpimple on Nov 11, 2016 17:25:49 GMT
Most are saying its to appease the fanbase......make of that what you will. As for getting Palace promoted, most of the hardwork was done by freedman, have a look where palace position was when he took over. He would have got them relegated the next season if he had stayed. Blackpool..............................fluke. As for he hasn't got the job yet.......i hope to hell he don't but its looking like he has god help our club.
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Post by nomar on Nov 11, 2016 17:32:22 GMT
Most are saying its to appease the fanbase......make of that what you will. As for getting Palace promoted, most of the hardwork was done by freedman, have a look where palace position was when he took over. He would have got them relegated the next season if he had stayed. Blackpool..............................fluke. As for he hasn't got the job yet.......i hope to hell he don't but its looking like he has god help our club. I don't think that's the reason. I also think he probably makes a lot more sense this point in time for QPR than a lot of the fan popular flavour du jour names fans are craving for.
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Post by scarletpimple on Nov 11, 2016 17:37:07 GMT
Don't make any sense at all to me unless he is the only one willing to take the job, got a great cv has he not.
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Nov 11, 2016 18:26:33 GMT
Follow Matt Winton β@mattwinton1 Someone who knows his stuff just told me it's not IH π
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Nov 11, 2016 18:27:44 GMT
I presume it will be a 12 Month Rolling Contract... Two and a half year contract.
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Post by egranger on Nov 11, 2016 18:36:57 GMT
Surly not that many people were calling for Holloway on twitter, just a few on the message boards they were well outnumbered by those against, most wanted Clement Holloway was way down the list, if the board has listened to few twitter moaners like in the past, they need to grow some balls or go. You can't run a football club with a few twitter ravers telling you what to do and laughingly trying to appease them....prob against the wishes of the silent majority. What makes you think that? Clement is the clear flavour of the month option amongst QPR fans. I don't have Twitter but the few QPR fans I read on there aren't saying anything about endorsing Holloway. Holloway isn't appointed officially yet but if they do appoint him I can fully understand the reasons why and they do make a lot more sense than most QPR fans think. TF is an idiot when it comes to making decisions for the good of QPR but an IH appointment doesn't strike me as them acting on the basis of listening to a few heretic voices on twitter.
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Post by egranger on Nov 11, 2016 18:38:54 GMT
Ian got us promoted - he is the man - get behind him - enjoy your football again
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Post by egranger on Nov 11, 2016 18:43:16 GMT
He has got a great cv - three teams promoted - his presence will lift the club - proud passionate and I repeat three teams promoted - a true Ranger - get behind him - i am sure the supporters at Loftus Road will π
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Post by jbol on Nov 11, 2016 18:58:04 GMT
IH 2.5 year contract (SKY NEWS)
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Post by nomar on Nov 11, 2016 18:59:35 GMT
Don't make any sense at all to me unless he is the only one willing to take the job, got a great cv has he not. I understand it. But I can see from your posts why don't.
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Post by blatantfowl on Nov 11, 2016 19:04:54 GMT
Don't make any sense at all to me unless he is the only one willing to take the job, got a great cv has he not. But he is someone that the fans (you excepted) will give some time to before they get on his back. Like Nomar said elsewhere, maybe a big character gets more chance than a quiet type plus his history with us might mean we won't shaft him sideways the moment he loses a game. Of all the things our next manager needed the most, it was always going to be time which was far and away the most important. Good appointment.
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Post by Roller on Nov 11, 2016 21:34:08 GMT
For all the wrong reasons have they got the right man?
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Post by scarletpimple on Nov 11, 2016 23:14:18 GMT
Don't make any sense at all to me unless he is the only one willing to take the job, got a great cv has he not. But he is someone that the fans (you excepted) will give some time to before they get on his back. Like Nomar said elsewhere, maybe a big character gets more chance than a quiet type plus his history with us might mean we won't shaft him sideways the moment he loses a game. Of all the things our next manager needed the most, it was always going to be time which was far and away the most important. Good appointment. Lets hope he gets more time than Evil Les........another legend, didn't take long for fans to start on him did it. As for giving Holloway time, i simply dont think he is good enough manager for this league now and prob a cheap option like ramsey and jimmy, i like many others think now he's got the job then give him a chance. One last snippet.....given time at this club these days for a manager who go's on a losing run......your having a laugh.
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Post by nomar on Nov 12, 2016 1:36:52 GMT
But he is someone that the fans (you excepted) will give some time to before they get on his back. Like Nomar said elsewhere, maybe a big character gets more chance than a quiet type plus his history with us might mean we won't shaft him sideways the moment he loses a game. Of all the things our next manager needed the most, it was always going to be time which was far and away the most important. Good appointment. Lets hope he gets more time than Evil Les........another legend, didn't take long for fans to start on him did it. As for giving Holloway time, i simply dont think he is good enough manager for this league now and prob a cheap option like ramsey and jimmy, i like many others think now he's got the job then give him a chance. One last snippet.....given time at this club these days for a manager who go's on a losing run......your having a laugh. I don't think it's about being cheap,. And frankly, with all due respect, if that's what you think this appointment is all about then you really haven't been paying much attention to what Les and Lee a have been trying to do here. They were willing to pay compensation to Birmingham for Rowett, who was their first choice. That would not have come cheap. Far off the mark.
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Post by powerpump on Nov 12, 2016 3:25:25 GMT
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Post by grenqpr on Nov 12, 2016 11:01:26 GMT
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Post by scarletpimple on Nov 12, 2016 12:13:45 GMT
I don't think it's about being cheap,. And frankly, with all due respect, if that's what you think this appointment is all about then you really haven't been paying much attention to what Les and Lee a have been trying to do here. They were willing to pay compensation to Birmingham for Rowett, who was their first choice. That would not have come cheap. Far off the mark. As far as i understand, Brum have said there has been no contact with QPR........where has the willing to pay compensation come from.
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Post by nomar on Nov 12, 2016 18:46:30 GMT
I don't think it's about being cheap,. And frankly, with all due respect, if that's what you think this appointment is all about then you really haven't been paying much attention to what Les and Lee a have been trying to do here. They were willing to pay compensation to Birmingham for Rowett, who was their first choice. That would not have come cheap. Far off the mark. As far as i understand, Brum have said there has been no contact with QPR........where has the willing to pay compensation come from. Dave McIntyre, who I trust as a QPR source over anyone else.
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Post by scarletpimple on Nov 12, 2016 23:35:32 GMT
Oh thats all right then, never gets anything wrong does he, how about him saying holloway was out of the frame.....couple of days later he got the job.
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Post by powerpump on Nov 13, 2016 0:07:36 GMT
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Post by bowranger on Nov 14, 2016 9:49:05 GMT
I largely blame the owners too but there's also a hell of a lot to do with trying to be appease our fanbase. You can put part of that back on the owners to some extent - you raise expectations and make big promises, you can expect a toxic atmosphere when it doesn't go to plan. But nonetheless, a chunk of this is us, as fans, getting what 'we' deserve. After every dip in form, a decent amount of our fanbase scream out for huge changes - more players, different manager, different DoF or getting rid of the role completely - it's almost always about more blood and it doesn't work. Plenty of people realised that after a while, the "experienced football men" we had cried out for were, even with their successes, essentially bankrupting the club and filling our squad with layer upon layer of experienced footballers coming for a last payday with foul attitudes. We then called for a restoration of pride - hungry players who actually want to be at QPR and see it as a step-up, taking chances on promising players and managers, giving them time. First full transfer window, an overhauled squad on a shoestring budget, in midtable - fans hound out the manager. So yeah, the club has an itchy trigger finger and I think, whilst we're in a relatively good period in terms of the direction the club is starting to go into, the board will continue to fu'ck up. But you can't pretend that if you've been at a home game or taken a look on twitter or messageboards that the board have acted here on a whim - they're appeasing our fans, the same fans who have started walking away. Can you imagine playing at LR as a QPR player right now? We're almost at Molineux levels of abuse and impatience with our own players. Bottom line of all this is that an employer would potentially hire someone like that because it's November. If you're a high quality, experienced manager, you aren't free in November. You're in work. You wait til May, contracts end, people don't get renewed, people get sacked - you've got a decent pick. But we havn't, I think the board have made an error there but you only have to click around here a bit or on other boards or social media to see that they've given a load of 'us' what we wanted. If our fanbase are going to call for the managers head in November, then the club have to go on a recruitment hunt in November and, shock horror, it's slim pickings. Crikey, he hasnt even got the job yet - Why so caustic, only see what you want to see from his sackings - Guardiola aside every fkin Manager gets sacked at some point! He got Blackpool and Palace promoted FFS!l Caustic? I only said a few posts above that I was quite excited about Holloway coming in - I don't reckon he's the long term answer (amazing if he was, mind), neither do loads of people. I've never knocked Holloway's record, QPR under him was the happiest I've probably ever been following the club. My only points above were that we can blame the board as much as we want and justifiably so but at some point we have to look at ourselves as fans - the bile with which we react to our own managers and the toxic atmosphere we create for our own players to play in - that has a role. And secondly, if you sack a manager in November, you get a hell of a lot less options than you would in the Summer. Does that make Holloway a bad choice? Not necessarily, might just be the positive injection we need. Does it mean that we could have got someone better had we waited? Probably, yeah. I don't reckon that's caustic.
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Post by bowranger on Nov 14, 2016 9:59:57 GMT
For all the wrong reasons have they got the right man? Really interesting point, that. Do you mean in terms of the club essentially going for a PR friendly appointment due to how poorly the previous managers have been treated but actually, an appointment like that could be the bit of positivity the team need? It's not bullet-proof - Les is a QPR legend doing a really complicated job (and well so far, I believe) but he still gets horrific abuse from people online. Some of it is pure ignorance of his actual job, some of it is impatience and a small but vocal amount of it is explicitly racist. After Holloway's experiences at Millwall and Palace, he looked a shell of his former self because of the pressure - I just hope he's given the time he needs as I think negativity from our fans would hurt him more than it would hurt others. Bottom line is that we keep going through these cycles. We want an old footballing head. Doesn't work, we want new blood. Young and hungry managers who see QPR as a step up, let them develop. No, we don't like the inconsistency, new blood. Now get a 'QPR man' in, someone who 'gets' the club, has pride and will give us some identity. Will it work? I really hope so. I think two and a half years isn't the right move with our history and so on - I'd see Holloway more as a manager to steady the ship and re-assess in May. But best of luck to him - for all the uncertainty I absolutely love Ollie and really wish him well. As others have said elsewhere online, I don't feel like we've been fair in terms of time to quite a few of our previous managers. If it takes Ollie's legendary status to afford him that extra time then so be it, here's hoping it works. Genuinely think it will devastate Holloway if we turn on him.
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Post by blatantfowl on Nov 14, 2016 16:55:10 GMT
I don't think this is a question of being cheap or not. Paying big compensation to get a manager on big wages is not a path to success. The best that can be said of this tactic is that it mitigates against the chance of failure.
If I ran QPR I would never bother paying to get a manager away from another club. It's not worth the expense when there are perfectly competent and experienced managers looking for a job.
Man management, tactics, training, conditioning, motivation, leadership. We all know what it takes to make a great manager and most of them know how to do it. The only things needed on top are time and luck.
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Post by harr on Nov 14, 2016 16:56:06 GMT
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