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Post by sharky on Nov 7, 2016 22:58:45 GMT
From westlondonsport www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/football-wls-duo-apply-qpr-managers-jobFreedman and Robinson apply for QPR jobBy David McIntyre 07/11/2016 Dougie Freedman and Karl Robinson have applied for the QPR manager’s job. Freedman, who began his career at Loftus Road but did not make a first-team appearance for the club, is looking to return to management eight months after leaving Nottingham Forest. The 42-year-old Scot (pictured above) spent 13 months in charge at the City Ground and has also managed Crystal Palace and Bolton. He left QPR to join Barnet in 1994 and went on to play for Palace – where he had two spells – as well as Forest and Wolves. Robinson, 36, guided MK Dons to promotion to the Championship in 2015, but they were relegated after one season in the second tier and he left the club last month following a poor start to the campaign. He was not seriously considered for the QPR job before it went to Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink but could be interviewed this time around. Tim Sherwood was immediately installed as the odds-on favourite to replace Hasselbaink but appears to be out of the running. Sherwood, a close friend of Les Ferdinand, worked with the Rangers director of football during their time together at Tottenham and more recently had a spell as Aston Villa manager. He is one of a number of potential candidates the Rangers hierarchy have discussed, but by Monday morning the chances of Sherwood being appointed looked slim. QPR’s owners are admirers of ex-Derby manager Paul Clement, now assistant to Bayern Munich boss Carlo Ancelotti. The 44-year-old son of former QPR and England right-back Dave Clement was lined up to take over at Rangers following the departure of Harry Redknapp in February 2015. At the time he was Ancelotti’s right-hand man at Real Madrid and wanted to see out the remaining months of his contract at the Spanish club. Chris Ramsey was therefore installed at QPR initially as a stop-gap, but impressed during the early stages of his time in charge and was given the job on a permanent basis. Clement subsequently took over as manager at Derby, who sacked him in February this year with the club fifth in the Championship table. Hasselbaink, fired after Saturday’s 1-1 draw at Nottingham Forest, became QPR manager in December 2015. Kenny Jackett, then facing an uncertain future at Wolves, was strongly suggested to Rangers’ owners but they chose Hasselbaink. Jackett, who was assistant manager at QPR for much of Ian Holloway’s reign as boss, recently took over at Rotherham. Birmingham manager Gary Rowett was also in Rangers’ sights last year but stayed at St Andrews. Holloway, currently working as a television pundit, would be a popular choice among many fans were he to return for a second spell. Steve Cotterill, briefly on the coaching staff at Rangers under Redknapp, wants the job.
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Post by egranger on Nov 8, 2016 0:11:21 GMT
We are lucky to have a Director of Football who is looking after best interests of the club
We have some good players at the club - most appear to be trying if not all firing on full cylinders - two good goalies - I really don't think the manger was given enough time but he appeared to be trying his best - results like Newcastle and Brentford at home meant he was a dead man walking.
I think the new manager will inherit a squad with some good players and pulling in the right direction. It needs some tweaking but a team going in the right direction
I wasn't enjoying the games under JFH but whose to say the next incumbent will be any more a tracking I liked it under CR but the goal posts changed for him with Charlie and others staying
Let's not kid ourselves - it is a thankless task being a manger - but hopefully a job still sought after - I can't tell you who I want as next manger - I just hope the supporters get behind him and he is given sometime
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Post by harr on Nov 8, 2016 7:30:12 GMT
Who thinks we mght have someone in place by Friday / Saturday to give them a week before Norwich game?
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Post by nomar on Nov 8, 2016 7:46:39 GMT
Who thinks we mght have someone in place by Friday / Saturday to give them a week before Norwich game? I expect they already know who it is. If Sherwood is off the table now, as McIntyre believes, then its probably Clement. Which would be funny, considering how many QPR fans on various message boards wanted him when Redknapp left but aren't necessarily keen on him now.
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Post by harr on Nov 8, 2016 8:53:01 GMT
Who thinks we mght have someone in place by Friday / Saturday to give them a week before Norwich game? I expect they already know who it is. If Sherwood is off the table now, as McIntyre believes, then its probably Clement. Which would be funny, considering how many QPR fans on various message boards wanted him when Redknapp left but aren't necessarily keen on him now. But it is QPR Nomar, bound to be some sort of twist McIntyre said holding formal discussions with candidates but interviews might take place after this so maybe nobody in place until early next week. Was that before he went to Aston Villa though and before he already turned us down wanting more money. Mayb some fans see him being a bit greedy as well as cocky.
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Post by bowranger on Nov 8, 2016 9:58:47 GMT
I'm not seeing why Clement would come to QPR unless he wants to retire from the top of the game & be his own man. He's a Coach used plying his trade among big crowds every season. Seems the systems he helps with are always 2 strikers or 4-3-3. Beggars believe that some are saying he's inexperienced, for gods sake look at Clements history at the highest levels of the game. If TF was lucky enough to get Clements interest I hope he would give him a top salary and at least 2 year contract with free role to dispose of people like Chris Ramsey etc at the development level in the club and start over. Another shout would be Roberto DeMatteo if he has a backup group of coaches ready and obvious choice for me would be attacking style of football with Jorge Sampoali but not in a million years at QPR unless we were in the prem again. No to Sherwood, toxic affect and same system of play with the Ram as assistant Why would we want to start over at the development level? For the first time since God know's when we have got an academy graduate in the team, two more regularly in the matchday squad and we've even managed to receive a transfer fee for one! Surely this is the best state our academy has been in for years and years? Definitely. Ramsey's skills as a manager of a Championship first team can rightly be called into question but at development level he's got a fantastic record - one that we're reaping the benefits of now he's back involved with it. Why dispose of someone who's made real, tangible improvements and is well qualified?
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Post by harr on Nov 8, 2016 10:02:54 GMT
Thought this was a decent read.....
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Post by harr on Nov 8, 2016 10:08:26 GMT
Why would we want to start over at the development level? For the first time since God know's when we have got an academy graduate in the team, two more regularly in the matchday squad and we've even managed to receive a transfer fee for one! Surely this is the best state our academy has been in for years and years? Definitely. Ramsey's skills as a manager of a Championship first team can rightly be called into question but at development level he's got a fantastic record - one that we're reaping the benefits of now he's back involved with it. Why dispose of someone who's made real, tangible improvements and is well qualified? Its great that two youngsters have played a part this season , been a breath of fresh air. What do you think about the level of our youngsters though and the coaches of them. I dont follow all the youth results but seems we get beaten pretty regularly and bid losses too. Is this just a level of player issue or should we be doing better at these levels now. I think we are now actively trying to get better youngsters at the Club which is also good news and have employed Karsa to find them.
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Post by bowranger on Nov 8, 2016 10:28:39 GMT
Definitely. Ramsey's skills as a manager of a Championship first team can rightly be called into question but at development level he's got a fantastic record - one that we're reaping the benefits of now he's back involved with it. Why dispose of someone who's made real, tangible improvements and is well qualified? Its great that two youngsters have played a part this season , been a breath of fresh air. What do you think about the level of our youngsters though and the coaches of them. I dont follow all the youth results but seems we get beaten pretty regularly and bid losses too. Is this just a level of player issue or should we be doing better at these levels now. I think we are now actively trying to get better youngsters at the Club which is also good news and have employed Karsa to find them. To be honest, I don't know much about it other than how it's translated into the first team and what has been said by the club about it. I know we've had a pretty shoddy youth setup in terms of the state of our facilities for many years and that we've fallen behind a lot of other clubs in terms of scouting local youth. At the fans forum (I think, could have been something else) it was brought up how some high level amateur youth teams in the area have wondered why QPR don't have scouts down at their games when clubs from further afield do and that was something the club are apparently working on improving. One reason I would guess at for poorer performances compared to others at the higher age groups is that Les openly doesn't think reserve/academy vs academy style football is beneficial to creating first team prospects for our division. That's why if anyone looks half decent, we pack them off on loan to play against grown adults and in front of crowds - to see if they can cut it. So perhaps that's a part of it - our youth playing other youth teams are those we've not deemed quite good enough yet to go on loan, so we're therefore not fielding our best players? I don't really know enough to form a judgement but the impression I get is that our youth infrastructure is quite poor for this level and we're trying to improve it. The sad thing is that rules governing youth players now are so biased towards Prem teams that anyone you create who has a spark of the top level gets snapped up by a top team to go sit in a huge academy, probably never to be seen again.
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Post by harr on Nov 8, 2016 10:41:17 GMT
Its great that two youngsters have played a part this season , been a breath of fresh air. What do you think about the level of our youngsters though and the coaches of them. I dont follow all the youth results but seems we get beaten pretty regularly and bid losses too. Is this just a level of player issue or should we be doing better at these levels now. I think we are now actively trying to get better youngsters at the Club which is also good news and have employed Karsa to find them. To be honest, I don't know much about it other than how it's translated into the first team and what has been said by the club about it. I know we've had a pretty shoddy youth setup in terms of the state of our facilities for many years and that we've fallen behind a lot of other clubs in terms of scouting local youth. At the fans forum (I think, could have been something else) it was brought up how some high level amateur youth teams in the area have wondered why QPR don't have scouts down at their games when clubs from further afield do and that was something the club are apparently working on improving. One reason I would guess at for poorer performances compared to others at the higher age groups is that Les openly doesn't think reserve/academy vs academy style football is beneficial to creating first team prospects for our division. That's why if anyone looks half decent, we pack them off on loan to play against grown adults and in front of crowds - to see if they can cut it. So perhaps that's a part of it - our youth playing other youth teams are those we've not deemed quite good enough yet to go on loan, so we're therefore not fielding our best players? I don't really know enough to form a judgement but the impression I get is that our youth infrastructure is quite poor for this level and we're trying to improve it. The sad thing is that rules governing youth players now are so biased towards Prem teams that anyone you create who has a spark of the top level gets snapped up by a top team to go sit in a huge academy, probably never to be seen again. Thanks, interesting points. We do pack them out to Leagues One and Two so this would obviously make a difference.
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Post by harr on Nov 8, 2016 11:19:09 GMT
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Post by bowranger on Nov 8, 2016 11:28:38 GMT
To be honest, I don't know much about it other than how it's translated into the first team and what has been said by the club about it. I know we've had a pretty shoddy youth setup in terms of the state of our facilities for many years and that we've fallen behind a lot of other clubs in terms of scouting local youth. At the fans forum (I think, could have been something else) it was brought up how some high level amateur youth teams in the area have wondered why QPR don't have scouts down at their games when clubs from further afield do and that was something the club are apparently working on improving. One reason I would guess at for poorer performances compared to others at the higher age groups is that Les openly doesn't think reserve/academy vs academy style football is beneficial to creating first team prospects for our division. That's why if anyone looks half decent, we pack them off on loan to play against grown adults and in front of crowds - to see if they can cut it. So perhaps that's a part of it - our youth playing other youth teams are those we've not deemed quite good enough yet to go on loan, so we're therefore not fielding our best players? I don't really know enough to form a judgement but the impression I get is that our youth infrastructure is quite poor for this level and we're trying to improve it. The sad thing is that rules governing youth players now are so biased towards Prem teams that anyone you create who has a spark of the top level gets snapped up by a top team to go sit in a huge academy, probably never to be seen again. Thanks, interesting points. We do pack them out to Leagues One and Two so this would obviously make a difference. All good! I can totally understand why Brentford pretty much shut their's down, it's such an unfair youth transfer system in this country.
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Post by bowranger on Nov 8, 2016 11:32:00 GMT
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Post by harr on Nov 8, 2016 12:06:10 GMT
Wonder if Ollie got the job, who his number 2 would be.....
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Post by harr on Nov 8, 2016 12:08:23 GMT
Love that dog, give him the Managers job
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Nov 8, 2016 12:09:04 GMT
From the Standard...
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Post by harr on Nov 8, 2016 12:19:51 GMT
I will say this just the once. Les can say what he wants but we know he has some influence for sure. IF and only if Sherwood ends up a poor choice a year down the line, he might well turn out ok, who knows? I dont just see 10/20/30 % of fans wanting Les out aswell, I feel 50 % or more of QPR fans will want him removed from his DOF role.. I dont think there's any going back for Les if Sherwood doesnt work out.
I'm not saying thats necesarily right, just the feeling I get., anyhow I wont be going on about it.
Like I thought though they want someone in by Friday latest.
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Nov 8, 2016 12:50:45 GMT
I think all Les is saying is that he'll show no favouritism towards Sherwood - but of course he'll have influence in drawing up the shortlist. I really don't understand the animosity towards Ferdinand - to my mind he does the right things and for the right reasons. Seems a good team with Hoos, and offers more appropriate advice to the board than they ever got from the likes of Hughes or Beard. If people don't like the DoF role, that's fine, but I can see no justification for personalising things. Anyway, odds on Sherwood and Clement drifting slightly, Ollie shortening slightly...
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Nov 8, 2016 13:04:54 GMT
Oh, and there's this from Dave McIntrye regarding Sherwood's appointment...
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Post by harr on Nov 8, 2016 13:33:56 GMT
Oh, and there's this from Dave McIntrye regarding Sherwood's appointment...
I agree Ashdown, huge animosity. I was just going by all the social media that was flying around at the weekend. As Far as Players Les is bringing into the club theres only been 2-3 poor ones, considering we are working to large constraints, it is not an easy job and some good additions have come in so thats a tick from me. I dont think many Rangers have this as an issue, maybe it was the issue Ramsey was taken back into the Club. But then there wasnt a question Ramsey could coach youth teams so I am not sure where it is coming from. I just hope we avoid the Sherwood route but if it happens it happens nothing we can do apart from just support and get behind the guy.
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Post by FloridaR on Nov 8, 2016 14:28:38 GMT
Why would we want to start over at the development level? For the first time since God know's when we have got an academy graduate in the team, two more regularly in the matchday squad and we've even managed to receive a transfer fee for one! Surely this is the best state our academy has been in for years and years? I think he just wants Ramsey gone because he wasn't very good in the 1st team manager's role. Short sightedness and narrow mindedness at its best. Don't have to tear up the academy but it would be short sighted of the club if they tried to push a decent coach into working with existing personnel at the club. If Clement installed chances are a very good academy coach would be installed as well. i'd love to see a bayern munich or real madrid style of game, wouldn't you ?
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Post by grenqpr on Nov 8, 2016 14:43:32 GMT
Here is a view from an old QPR fan. Disagreed Warnock should have been sacked. Didn't want Hughes although I thought he was sacked too soon.
I think that both Ramsey and JFH were sacked too quickly too. I am sorry to see JFH go. However, I felt he should not have been appointed in the first place because although he appeared promising I felt he was too young and inexperienced to take on the club that is QPR.
I wholeheartedly agree with those who have said that the rapidity of change of managers and consequently players, militates against stability which is a prerequisite to success. I believe we have some good/talented/creative players including 2 very good goalkeepers but the team is under-performing and JFH carries the responsibility for that. I have watched a number of games this season, the worst, the 6 nil thrashing by Newcastle, accompanied by my Geordie son-in-law, a profound shame from which I shall never recover, and the best a 2-1 win at Fulham. In all the games I have seen this season, even allowing for my age and lack of knowledge of modern formations I have failed to discern a style or pattern to our game. Our players can sometimes be individually brilliant but team cohesion is absent.
Our next manager? Let him be older, more experienced, pragmatic, hardened. I hope I haven't talked myself into Pearson or Alladyce
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Post by Marc on Nov 8, 2016 14:44:30 GMT
I think he just wants Ramsey gone because he wasn't very good in the 1st team manager's role. Short sightedness and narrow mindedness at its best. Don't have to tear up the academy but it would be short sighted of the club if they tried to push a decent coach into working with existing personnel at the club. If Clement installed chances are a very good academy coach would be installed as well.
i'd love to see a bayern munich or real madrid style of game, wouldn't you ? That's the point, we already have a vey good academy coach.
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Nov 8, 2016 16:44:57 GMT
Joey Barton could be available for the managerial role very soon... Barton as manager? NOTHING would surprise me...
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Post by bowranger on Nov 8, 2016 17:07:49 GMT
Meanwhile the cockroaches in our fanbase continue to spout off on Twitter. Shameful.
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Post by blatantfowl on Nov 8, 2016 18:19:29 GMT
Meanwhile the cockroaches in our fanbase continue to spout off on Twitter. Shameful. I don't tweet. Without fueling it, can you give a hint of what they are saying?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2016 21:19:12 GMT
Have supposedly interviewed Freedman and Powell , what have they ever done ? Don't want Holloway , that ship sailed years ago ! Clement or Pearson for me !!
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Post by harr on Nov 8, 2016 23:04:51 GMT
Well Dave Mc thinks they want to appoint in the next couple of days or so. Apparently Sherwood not really in the running, Holloway fading out the picture, they wont appoint Powell, meanwhile Rowetts odds are getting better and Clement seems to be the same. The ex MK dons manager seems very quiet, who else are we left with Cotterill and Freedman, no they wouldnt would they
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Post by nomar on Nov 8, 2016 23:22:52 GMT
Have supposedly interviewed Freedman and Powell , what have they ever done ? Don't want Holloway , that ship sailed years ago ! Clement or Pearson for me !! For the love of all that's good, why the hell would you want Pearson?
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Post by bowranger on Nov 9, 2016 9:44:06 GMT
I can't quote you blatantfowl but I embedded a picture on the original post so you can see what they're saying.
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