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Post by FloridaR on Oct 24, 2014 13:11:57 GMT
QPR Fans over the years have seen the likes of Marsh, Bowles, Rogers, Stainrod, Byrne, Wegerle et al. You forgot Tony Currie but instead of Taarabt we have Leroy (TheMouth) Fer as 10
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Post by Lonegunmen on Oct 24, 2014 13:27:41 GMT
Ignore the politics. Taarabt does have skill and unpredictability. He can turn a game in a flash. I am not a fan of the politics nor the slanging match, but I am a fan of his talent. If only he would use it to do his talking.
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Post by alfaranger on Oct 24, 2014 13:45:16 GMT
7 pages already, he really does split opinion doesn't he! I thought I'd just get an idea of what the Milan fans thought of Adel rather than what he himself says they think of him. Pretty much the same as on here really. The words that strike me are talented, overweight, lazy, game changer, deluded (about his own ability), and genius. Ring any bells? forum.acmilan-online.com/showthread.php?p=2026423A quick glance at Fulham forums has similar viewpoints. A consistent factor on all boards say that he's overweight and late for training. Of course there will be times when he's not overweight and puts in a good shift. I expect that between the Redknapp press conference and now that he's been careful with himself and will have burned off a little bit of flab so that as every day goes by he is further and further way from the description given of him. Will it last? Personally I took the 'three stone overweight' as being licence, and didn't expect a rush to weigh him or provide a tape measure for his waist measurement. History shows how Adel acts at football clubs whether they're managed by Redknapp or not. He has the raw talent but he needs to work at it to realize his vast potential.
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 24, 2014 14:43:40 GMT
Redknapp has absolutely the right - in fact, the responsibility - to play who he wants, etc.
And Redknapp should be assessed on his results and how the players he signs and plays do.
But once he starts publicly attacking players - or making excuses for why results are as they are - Redknapp deserves to be assessed on that too
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Post by Dufster on Oct 24, 2014 14:59:19 GMT
Reading Bobbys comments on his Captaincy...it read like the dressing room is a harmonious place!
As stated, Adel knows where he stands now....public wont buy any more BS from him as he's been outed by HR....He either turns it on at match day and vindicates himself with attitude and performance or the games up and he'll ride off into the sunset to a lesser club!
I think thats been HR's game plan all along!
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 24, 2014 15:00:58 GMT
or maybe it was to get axed!
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Post by Dufster on Oct 24, 2014 15:21:10 GMT
That was not a sackable offence!
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Post by Dufster on Oct 24, 2014 15:35:02 GMT
Apologies Mac....you mant HR by that last comment?
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 24, 2014 15:41:24 GMT
Yes...Face-saving exit, not based on how HR is doing
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Post by corndog on Oct 24, 2014 15:53:50 GMT
This could turn into a longer thread than the summer transfers. A couple of parting comments while I wait for a plane. Should a team not be selected based on the players' performance in training, ability, attitude and their fit to the team formation rather than reputation. At the moment Adel admits he is not match fit even if he is slim, has not shown anything in training because he has not been training until a couple of days ago and I do not know about his fit in the team. Yes he was good four years ago but then so was Rio. If Adel is to be selected on Monday, and given our current injury status, who would be dropped from the starting line up and what formation would we have to play to accommodate him. Leave out Charlie or Vargas? - I hope not Drop Isla? - no way. Leave out one of the defensive midfielders and get murdered at the back again? - not a great idea Then we have Nico ready to come back in - lean and fit(apart from a toe but he will take the pain to play), our best player this season, scored this season and unlucky not to have a couple more, proven in the PL and at International level. Regardless of which side of the Adel fence we all sit a straight choice between Nico and Adel on pure footballing grounds comes down in favour of Nico quite easily at the moment. Adel in place of Phillips or Hoilett on the bench is a definite to do if Adel is fit and if all the troubles are smoothed over simply because those two have not been performing or looking that interested. But Adel straight into the team and so soon after the public bust ups I think is highly unlikely. Whoever would be dropped would have every right to be a bit p'd off after the events since Sunday and I fear it would lead to another divided dressing room. I've seen the previous comments and comparisons of Adel to past players but that is not what is at question now. The team should be the best players on current form and nothing else and the team that will get us 3 points on Monday. Agree, not too many attacking players I would start Adel over minus Hoilett and Phillips. The other issue is the formation, could see Harry starting 3-5-2 against Villa, so neither of those players should be starting. He could start as attacking midfielder if Niko can't, although I see Harry going with Fer before him. Really if anything I see Adel on the bench and if the game is tied or QPR is down, he comes in for the last 20-30 minutes.
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Post by terryb on Oct 24, 2014 16:44:32 GMT
I think HR's behaviour was him just drawing a line in the sand for Adel (No pun intended) I sense something went on before Saturdays game....so he' called him out publicly and knows what implication that will have on the players image (especially for potential buyers)
Football clubs will pay attention to what HR is implying not Adel (dont think he expected him to bite back in the papers) If he's fit I think he will at least be on the Bench Monday...So now Adel has to deliver either way...and he knows it! I think you are right on that point but probably events on the day before the game. The pointers to that are the different reactions of Rio and Adel to both being told the were not playing. Rio apparently was very professional and wished all he players good luck, Adel by his own admission in the press was furious and probably got the next bus home. Did anyone see him in the crowd or behind the bench on Sunday? [/b] [/p] If he is told he is on the bench on Monday and not starting how will he react? - will be interesting to see if it happens. I just hope that if he makes the bench it is only for footballing reasons and not as a public relations act to try to show that everyone are friends again. If that was the case it would imply that TF has instructed it and we know from experience where that leads.
[/quote] Another consideration is the difference in attitude & retribution from Redknapp between Taarabt & Bosingwa. It could also be argued that The Sainted Jose was worse as he refused to be a substitute. I don't think that has been leveled at Adel. Yet there was no public humiliation vented in that instance. I also don't understand why Taarabt should have been at the ground on Sunday. I doubt that it is in their contract that they must attend matches if they are not in the squad. Of course, it could have been good for team morale if all players are present but it would not be enforcable. This is not meant to be in defence of the said individual as I think we would be better off without his pesence but some consistency in the punishmwent would not go amiss. It might also be appropriate if the club stated what regulations were broken last weekend. I suspect that there wern't any prior to the after match interviews. If he is contracted to attend all home matches regardless, then obviously he is guilty & should be fined accordingly.
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 24, 2014 16:50:29 GMT
Well we know Captain Joey Barton hasnt been at least at some away games when injured.
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Post by gthompson66 on Oct 24, 2014 20:01:08 GMT
I'd love to see Adel come off the bench and play well on Monday. We've been lack-lustre for most of this season and we need his creativity. Sure, he's inconsistent, but I'd much rather see a game with him in the line-up than him not be there. If he has an off day we can always substitute him. I've always hoped we'd see him back at his best one day in an Rs shirt. After all, Joey turned it around. We are not gonna get the likes of Ronaldo and Gareth Bale at the Bush, so we have to make the best of the talent we have, even if that means helping players to overcome their flaws at the expense of everything always being perfect.
I still think Harry shouldn't have made his comments in the manner that he did.
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Post by Dufster on Oct 25, 2014 10:45:52 GMT
I'd love to see Adel come off the bench and play well on Monday. We've been lack-lustre for most of this season and we need his creativity. Sure, he's inconsistent, but I'd much rather see a game with him in the line-up than him not be there. If he has an off day we can always substitute him. I've always hoped we'd see him back at his best one day in an Rs shirt. After all, Joey turned it around. We are not gonna get the likes of Ronaldo and Gareth Bale at the Bush, so we have to make the best of the talent we have, even if that means helping players to overcome their flaws at the expense of everything always being perfect. I still think Harry shouldn't have made his comments in the manner that he did. Your spot on....thats the tragedy!! And the club is only too aware.....they've been aware of it all along! All sports management proffesionals pride themselves on their ability to help inspire/drive/train their palyers to fullfill their potential....so its in their interest to get the best out AT and unlock all that!! I believe HR gave up that ghost sometime ago...but circustance left him on our books at £40-£60k a week (whatever it is) So he's still here.....at the start of the season TF and HR attemptemted to give him some credilbilty back by recognising his talent and stating he'll be a key player for us this season..... Well whatever has happened HR is back to his default position that Adel's a Fckuin talented asrheloe who wont listen to anyone or tow the team line. Bobby made statements this week stating the dressing room is strong and good - But we're struggling and you know who is still acting the goat...HR has nothing to lose but everything to gain if he can get turn him around....he's just thrown the AT dice for one last time!! )
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Post by paulmason on Oct 25, 2014 11:12:12 GMT
I have just listened to Harry's press conference today. It kinda shuts a lot up on here and that's probably why no one has commented.
The only way Adel will play again, is when he proves he can by training hard like everyone else does. He has not been at training all week, as he has had a sore throat, but he is there today. He wont be on the bench on Monday.
PS: Mac, Harry said Adel was a liar about him not him not being on the training ground etc, so your witch hunt about what Adel said, appears to be ever.
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Post by Dufster on Oct 25, 2014 11:19:33 GMT
Not been at training all week because he has a sore throat! (Bless him)
He's a cntu..
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Post by terryb on Oct 25, 2014 11:23:26 GMT
I have just listened to Harry's press conference today. It kinda shuts a lot up on here and that's probably why no one has commented. The only way Adel will play again, is when he proves he can. He has not been at training all week, as he has had a sore throat, but he is there toady and wont be on the bench on Monday. PS: Mac, Harry said Adel was a liar about him not him not being on the training ground etc, so your witch hunt about what Adel said, appears to be ever. Why do you automatically accept that Adel is lying & that HR is telling the truth? I have no idea of Tarrabt's history on truthfulness but I do know Harry's!
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Post by paulmason on Oct 25, 2014 11:28:17 GMT
[/quote]Why do you automatically accept that Adel is lying & that HR is telling the truth?
I have no idea of Tarrabt's history on truthfulness but I do know Harry's![/quote]
I am sure if Harry is lying on this subject, there are plenty of people (Wally Downs son for starters) would say so.
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Post by wrenboy61 on Oct 25, 2014 11:49:39 GMT
Bloody Hell are we still talking about Taarabt? ? All the ability in the World but lack of brain and work ethic!!!!!
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Post by Bushman on Oct 25, 2014 11:58:24 GMT
I have just listened to Harry's press conference today. It kinda shuts a lot up on here and that's probably why no one has commented. The only way Adel will play again, is when he proves he can by training hard like everyone else does. He has not been at training all week, as he has had a sore throat, but he is there today. He wont be on the bench on Monday. PS: Mac, Harry said Adel was a liar about him not him not being on the training ground etc, so your witch hunt about what Adel said, appears to be ever. I agree but there are some on here who will just come back and say that everything Harry says is a lie or not to be trusted. The best way to get out of this loop would have been for the club PR man or Harry to start the press conference by stating he would only field questions about Monday's game and would not respond to Adel related questions. Plenty of other senior and Premier League managers do the same sort of thing but I suppose it is not Harry's style so it will rumble on. Like when Redknapp said after the Liverpool match that "It's the same old people, We've got two or three of them" and the journo asked who are the other two or three who are not training and making an effort then. Harry "I was over exagerating there's not two or three. I can't think of another two". Triffic The reality is Redknapp and Taraabt are both coming out with nonsense and the sooner both are gone the better!
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Post by Bushman on Oct 25, 2014 12:01:49 GMT
Agree on both points Enough for one day (or longer) logging off right now. Relaxing with a good bottle of Chateau La Gaffeliere Premiere Grand Cru Classé 1998, French bread and cheese, then all this rubbish will fade into insignificance. Enjoy Luxembourg
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 25, 2014 12:50:18 GMT
You may not have not have noticed, but there was a separate thread on Redknapp's comments today. I have no problem (or at least not massive problem) being criticized. I do have a problem when you use terms such as "Witch Hunt" - especially when they follow on the use of terms in reference to Adel. Redknapp has categorically said he's at all practices, throughout. Adel's said he's not. One of them dissimulating. I have just listened to Harry's press conference today. It kinda shuts a lot up on here and that's probably why no one has commented. The only way Adel will play again, is when he proves he can by training hard like everyone else does. He has not been at training all week, as he has had a sore throat, but he is there today. He wont be on the bench on Monday. PS: Mac, Harry said Adel was a liar about him not him not being on the training ground etc, so your witch hunt about what Adel said, appears to be ever.
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Post by paulmason on Oct 25, 2014 13:02:30 GMT
You may not have not have noticed, but there was a separate thread on Redknapp's comments today. I have no problem (or at least not massive problem) being criticized. I do have a problem when you use terms such as "Witch Hunt" - especially when they follow on the use of terms in reference to Adel. Redknapp has categorically said he's at all practices, throughout. Adel's said he's not. One of them dissimulating. [/quote] When I used the the word witch hunt, it was specifically regarding your comments about what Adel said about Harry and training. On the basis harry called Adel a liar (and Adel has not been man enough to go to Harlington all week), I think you can take it for granted Adel spat out his dummy and was talking toilet. Just in case you forgot what you said, here is a couple of snippets below. “If I ran QPR, I'd also want to know if there's truth re what Taarabt actually said re Training, etc“ “I'm interested in what Taarabt said about Redknapp and training. That's worthy of discussion, if true”
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Post by harr on Oct 25, 2014 13:03:17 GMT
Think we need to put the Adel saga behind us and make sure we get some points Monday .
There's a couple of horrid fixtures this weekend, like WBA v Palace, teams that will probably pick up three points . If we don't beat Villa we could expect to be way off 17 th place by the time we play Newcastle.
It's great playing well and boy we did but at the end of the dayl big fat zero to show for it, hence why Harry was so frustrated in the first place. Should have killed the game off at 2-2 and nicked the point. Damn you Sterling
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Post by wrenboy61 on Oct 25, 2014 13:05:48 GMT
Agree on both points Enough for one day (or longer) logging off right now. Relaxing with a good bottle of Chateau La Gaffeliere Premiere Grand Cru Classé 1998, French bread and cheese, then all this rubbish will fade into insignificance. That doesn't come with Heinz label on it!!!!! Sounds great do you need somebody to help you drink it? ?
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