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Post by surreychad on Jun 4, 2023 17:08:52 GMT
Not going to be the multi million deal we expected a few years back then |
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Post by nomar on Jun 4, 2023 23:12:00 GMT
Not going to be the multi million deal we expected a few years back then True, but to all intents and purposes doesn’t want to be here so better than letting him sulk all season and then walk away on a free, I guess. |
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Post by rickyqpr on Jun 5, 2023 8:53:47 GMT
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Post by powerpump on Jun 5, 2023 10:49:49 GMT
"Queens Park Rangers manager Gareth Ainsworth admits he is "scared" ahead of the 2023/24 Championship season": footballleagueworld.co.uk/im-scared-gareth-ainsworth-delivers-brutally-honest-assessment-of-202324-as-qpr-exits-loom/-In my opinion if he really is scared, then please resign now and QPR can get someone who is not scared but prepared to find players best suited for our club who can do us proud in the new season. The attitude of our manager is vital to instill confidence in everyone including fans, players and owners etc. Would the likes of Beale and Warburton et al ever use the phrase "scared"? I doubt it. |
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Post by harr on Jun 5, 2023 11:48:49 GMT
Was he joking when he said scared though?
I thought it was funny when he said where are all the Rotherham’s, Wigan’s and Blackpool’s next year, all of which had just beaten him anyway.... 🙄
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Post by nomar on Jun 5, 2023 12:18:56 GMT
Was he joking when he said scared though? I thought it was funny when he said where are all the Rotherham’s, Wigan’s and Blackpool’s next year, all of which had just beaten him anyway.... 🙄 It is him joking. But unfortunately, perfect bait for every fan who hates him and wants (yet another) stick to beat the club with He already said he wanted the challenge and it's clear he's up for it. But that's not the narrative most of our fans who already want him sacked for a more trendy and fashionable manager want to use. |
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Post by rickyqpr on Jun 5, 2023 13:13:33 GMT
Was he joking when he said scared though? I thought it was funny when he said where are all the Rotherham’s, Wigan’s and Blackpool’s next year, all of which had just beaten him anyway.... 🙄 It is him joking. But unfortunately, perfect bait for every fan who hates him and wants (yet another) stick to beat the club with He already said he wanted the challenge and it's clear he's up for it. But that's not the narrative most of our fans who already want him sacked for a more trendy and fashionable manager want to use. It is like the general reaction to Dickie's transfer value. Many are angry that we did not sell him when he was worth more - the same who would have been irate at the lack of ambition if we had sold an inform player. A transfer to Watford was talked about last close season. It may just have been clickbait. Warburton and Beale both realised that if we were playing a four at the back, Dunne and Dickie was not the answer. Critchley probably saw the worst of Dickie - looking unhappy and almost disinterested. But Dickie's body language has been poor since Beale left. WLS report that he was unhappy at the club last season. Come next January his value would have been almost zero (unless we held a one year option that no one has mentioned). If we paid £1.6m for him, assuming that we are receiving £800 plus add-ons, then we have sold him for more than his current book value - we have not made the loss that many report. What we have failed to do is help a player reach his full potential and make a profit, in line with our stated strategy. But frankly, watching his head drop last season, watching him walk round after the final game of the season, I am surprised that we are able to sell him this window. But our fans are so unhappy after last season, very little is going to please them and just want another stick to beat the club with. If Lewis Wing signs for QPR it will be a very good signing for us, and yet I have read so many negative things about him from our 'fans' because he is an old Wycombe player! I liked an in-form Dickie, but it is not bad business to release him for value now, rather than watch him sulk and depreciate for another season. |
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Post by rickyqpr on Jun 7, 2023 11:50:03 GMT
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Post by nomar on Jun 8, 2023 7:31:31 GMT
It's a week into the off season, technically still one match left (albeit the Champions League final) and social media is already full of fans moaning that we haven't bought anyone yet. It's almost like some fans just want a signing, any signing, just to satisfy their need for something to rag on about on Twitter. Even forgetting that players and agents are likely on holiday now, so the market is going to be slow right now, signings will happen. |
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Post by Marc on Jun 8, 2023 9:03:37 GMT
It's a week into the off season, technically still one match left (albeit the Champions League final) and social media is already full of fans moaning that we haven't bought anyone yet. It's almost like some fans just want a signing, any signing, just to satisfy their need for something to rag on about on Twitter. Even forgetting that players and agents are likely on holiday now, so the market is going to be slow right now, signings will happen. Same every year. Window isn't even open yet! |
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Post by surreychad on Jun 8, 2023 10:00:04 GMT
I dont do social media but apparently a Canadian CB is on way to us.
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Post by nomar on Jun 8, 2023 12:41:09 GMT
It's a week into the off season, technically still one match left (albeit the Champions League final) and social media is already full of fans moaning that we haven't bought anyone yet. It's almost like some fans just want a signing, any signing, just to satisfy their need for something to rag on about on Twitter. Even forgetting that players and agents are likely on holiday now, so the market is going to be slow right now, signings will happen. Same every year. Window isn't even open yet! Plus we have the hindsight brigade out too, now that West Ham won a useless European trophy. Of course this was down to Warburton, so yet another stick to beat the club with. Probably the same fans who wanted him out as soon as we started losing matches and slipped out of the playoff spots and into mid table obscurity, too. Such a delightful snapshot of humanity, Twitter. |
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Post by rickyqpr on Jun 8, 2023 13:21:34 GMT
It's a week into the off season, technically still one match left (albeit the Champions League final) and social media is already full of fans moaning that we haven't bought anyone yet. It's almost like some fans just want a signing, any signing, just to satisfy their need for something to rag on about on Twitter. Even forgetting that players and agents are likely on holiday now, so the market is going to be slow right now, signings will happen. I agree. I was making a slightly different point. This year we will need a large number of new players - probably nearly all likely to be free agents. We need to be securing those signings ahead of departures. Our departures are likely to hang around until late August, and by then, the more desirable frees will have been snapped up. The free agents are not free until July 1st and the window does not open until next week, so it is very early doors. No cause for panic at all. |
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Post by blatantfowl on Jun 8, 2023 21:03:36 GMT
Tim Iroeg has posted on his personal instagram appearing to say he will be back with us for another season on loan.
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Post by nomar on Jun 9, 2023 0:21:03 GMT
Tim Iroeg has posted on his personal instagram appearing to say he will be back with us for another season on loan. I would genuinely be very, very surprised if that is what he meant and equally if he was coming back on loan again next season. |
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Post by blatantfowl on Jun 9, 2023 6:16:19 GMT
Tim Iroeg has posted on his personal instagram appearing to say he will be back with us for another season on loan. I would genuinely be very, very surprised if that is what he meant and equally if he was coming back on loan again next season. I just read it again and if it’s not legitimate it’s a very strange thing to post. It’s a compilation of his action for the Rs along with the phrase “We go harder next season”. Jimmy Dunne has replied saying he can’t wait to have him back. Both accounts are legit and not fakes. But…no official announcement. |
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Post by surreychad on Jun 9, 2023 7:43:32 GMT
Interesting one. At times he was far too good for the championship and then others I forgot he was even on the pitch. I guess Villa looked at how GA helped Eze develop and decided it was good for him. I see this as a very positive thing for us.
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Post by rickyqpr on Jun 9, 2023 10:17:28 GMT
It will be interesting to see how this window pans out financially.
Hoos and Ferdinand face a balancing act with the squad, irrespective of the attitude and performances of last season.
After the podcast with Ferdinand, it seems we are chasing a FFP gap of about £10m (following the huge reported loss for 21/22 of £24m – but before deducting allowables like the academy, the fine and the capital write down).
I think that means that we will have to sell our most valuable asset in Chair. Perhaps we will get £6m for him for a very low book value. That will get us half the way.
Then it becomes something of a bookkeeping exercise.
Dykes is said to have cost £2m across a 4 year deal. So his book value now will be £500k. If we sell him now for £2m and replace him with a £1m striker on a 4 year deal, then the deals contributes £250k towards the FFP shortfall. (£2m - £500k -£1m -£250k)
Likewise Dickie, if we paid £1.8m for a 4 year deal, his book value was £450k when we sold him for perhaps £700k. If we pick up a free agent, apart from the signing on fee, we have again contributed £250k towards the shortfall. (£700k - £450k)
Willock’s contract would have been fully amortized, so any money we get for him will also contribute. Dieng cost us nothing so again, all upside for FFP.
So for every player sold for a fee higher than their book value who is replaced with a free agent, not only helps the current problematic FFP year, but also has a very low book value for the duration of their contracts.
Of course, the reverse is true. If we release Johansen from the final year of his contract, we will not only have the pay-off (if there is one) but also the final year valuation of the fee we paid Fulham (estimated at the time as £1.8m).
So, you are left with a situation that decisions that may be wise from a footballing point of view, may be very unwise from an accountancy / FFP point of view. With relegation last season being hugely influenced by EFL points deductions, it shows just what a mockery Championship football has become for struggling teams.
We all want to see our team winning and with players who we want at the club. But FFP is just crazy at times. No matter who the CEO or DofF is at a club, their jobs are so much more than identifying good players and signing them.
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Post by harr on Jun 9, 2023 13:03:01 GMT
We could save the DOF salary, just a thought, we are little QPR at the minute a million miles from the Prem.
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Post by nomar on Jun 9, 2023 19:23:40 GMT
We could save the DOF salary, just a thought, we are little QPR at the minute a million miles from the Prem. Les gets his pelters, but the issue is less him than others. Hoos is worse. The chairman pretty much does nothing other than tweet when we win and go silent when we lose. The academy coaches are lauded to the hills yet no tangible results from them in 8 years?! This is something a good chairman would have looked at and realised that it wasn’t working, so set about changing it and maybe saving costs by streamlining his staff in areas where they clearly weren’t productive. The scouting appears disconnected from the management. LF is not a chief scout and apparently when we did have one the manager at the time didn’t want him as that manager wanted to pick his own players. The plan needs to be revised. We need to start scouting L2, National League and non league for players. Getting players from there means that we can reduce the wage bill considerably because now, instead of paying £12k a week for a player you can pay him £4 or £5k. That soon adds up. This is what I think GA is trying to get across to the board. The truth, as I see it, is that we need to be far more sensible in our recruitment and stop splashing money on loans for supposedly Premier League level players who clearly don’t want to be here and can’t really be arsed when they are here. Other clubs, like Luton, have been following this model, because the days of finding a rough diamond that you can sell on to a Premier League club has gone. That market died when Covid struck. We got lucky with Eze but those finds are few and far between for all Championship clubs, so you have to find a more sustainable way of running your club than expecting to hit the jackpot every 2 or 3 years. Buying players in cheap from lower/non league means that you can put in on low wages for 2-3 years, develop them and either sell them on to other Championship clubs or let them leave on frees. But you must have the next replacements lined up at least a year in advance. This is how teams like Brighton work. |
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Post by harr on Jun 9, 2023 20:39:54 GMT
You make some good points in there Nomar.
It always makes me laugh though that the Club bigs up the coaches as the best in the world , don’t see many bigger teams coming in for them, funny that.
It is what is , if the DOF stays then so be it, I certainly don’t dislike Les as a person, sat next to him on the odd occasion and had a chat in the past, will always be a legend, just think it’s time for a fresh approach.
I dont see progression unless some basic things change and there not going to, so I expect to hover around the bottom end of the Championship for a few years or if we end up a couple of points worse than last season we will probably drop a Division.
I’m not saying it’s easy for the owners trying to put right the TF errors but we need to sit down and realise what we are doing isn’t working.
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Post by dan on Jun 11, 2023 2:24:34 GMT
I mentioned this name last year when he was only 17. Now he’s 18 and soon to be out of our price range. And on that note, how do we not spot talent like Nighte Pickering when I clearly mentioned him last season? 😂He plays for my local club 901 fc, and would be an instant upgrade up front. He is not allergic to the back of the net, like so many strikers we have had recently. Now somebody in management call this kid!
Ok. Rant is over. Carey on.
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Post by robindubois on Jun 14, 2023 14:52:45 GMT
Woe is me ! Transfer window open today and we have not signed 7 new players yet Joking of course but get in first before the moaners  |
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Post by nomar on Jun 14, 2023 16:17:21 GMT
Woe is me ! Transfer window open today and we have not signed 7 new players yet Joking of course but get in first before the moaners The best thing is that when we do sign somebody they will immediately get back online and moan that whoever it is we have signed isn't good enough and the board are cheap, crap and need to sack Les. Most of which, by the way, may in fact be true, but nonetheless....... |
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Post by rickyqpr on Jun 14, 2023 17:03:30 GMT
Yeah, our management team has a lot to answer to, but this week a player who was disregarded by several London clubs may well make his debut for England (I hope!).
Chris Ramsay spotted him and is credited with turning Eze into the player he is today.
I still love watching him play, even if it is for Palace, plus the money we made kept us alive.
Credit when it is due.
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Post by rickyqpr on Jun 15, 2023 8:16:54 GMT
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Post by qpr1882 on Jun 15, 2023 20:41:08 GMT
Sir Les sacked. A few happy people on here now. Sorry to see how he lost credibility with fans. Always be one of my favourite players of all time.
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Post by dan on Jun 15, 2023 20:43:49 GMT
Wow!
My guess is that owners know what should have, could have, would have been last season, and how it came crashing down. New blood may not be a bad thing.
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Post by surreychad on Jun 15, 2023 20:45:23 GMT
Sir Les sacked. A few happy people on here now. Sorry to see how he lost credibility with fans. Always be one of my favourite players of all time. where is that been said? Nothing on offish. |
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Post by Marc on Jun 15, 2023 21:05:03 GMT
Sir Les sacked. A few happy people on here now. Sorry to see how he lost credibility with fans. Always be one of my favourite players of all time. where is that been said? Nothing on offish. Nor Facebook or Twitter |
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