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Post by harr on Apr 30, 2023 13:03:33 GMT
Warnock gets another win.
So Huddersfield need a point to stay up in 2 games. So if they lose to Sheff Utd in the week, Reading will have to beat them next weekend to stay up on goal difference. The swing is only 2 goals difference so they will just need to win by one goal probably.
Obviously Rotherham are still in the mix, needing probably just a draw in two games to keep them up on goal difference ……
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Post by Marc on Apr 30, 2023 13:11:07 GMT
Cardiff 1-2 Huddersfield
Reading must hope for Rotherham to lose tomorrow and/or Huddersfield to lose on Thursday then to beat Huddersfield on the last day. Both Rotherham and Huddersfield need just 1 point from their last 2 games to survive. The odds against Reading's survival will be huge.
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Post by Marc on Apr 30, 2023 13:12:14 GMT
Warnock gets another win. So Huddersfield need a point to stay up in 2 games. So if they lose to Sheff Utd in the week, Reading will have to beat them next weekend to stay up on goal difference. The swing is only 2 goals difference so they will just need to win by one goal probably. Obviously Rotherham are still in the mix, needing probably just a draw in two games to keep them up on goal difference …… Took me too long to type my post lol
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Post by harr on Apr 30, 2023 16:08:02 GMT
Yeah I kind of feel it’s tough on the Fake hoops fans but looking like they will drop. To lose 6 points like this near the end of the season was always going to be tough but they have actually won 13 matches, the same as us.
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Post by Marc on Apr 30, 2023 17:14:12 GMT
Yeah I kind of feel it’s tough on the Fake hoops fans but looking like they will drop. To lose 6 points like this near the end of the season was always going to be tough but they have actually won 13 matches, the same as us. If they do drop, we have to finish at least 7 points above them so no one can say we only stayed up because of their points deduction.
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Post by sharky on May 1, 2023 2:24:18 GMT
Yeah I kind of feel it’s tough on the Fake hoops fans but looking like they will drop. To lose 6 points like this near the end of the season was always going to be tough but they have actually won 13 matches, the same as us. If they do drop, we have to finish at least 7 points above them so no one can say we only stayed up because of their points deduction. Stuff that I say. In my opinion they cheated and paid the price so only have themselves to blame. We may well be in a similar situation next season. Having said that I respect your view Marc
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Post by harr on May 1, 2023 9:41:55 GMT
Yeah but the fans havnt cheated and they are the ones having to go and support them in League One, that’s the sad part.
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Post by surreychad on May 1, 2023 10:29:44 GMT
If they do drop, we have to finish at least 7 points above them so no one can say we only stayed up because of their points deduction. Stuff that I say. In my opinion they cheated and paid the price so only have themselves to blame. We may well be in a similar situation next season. Having said that I respect your view Marc 100% agree
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Post by surreychad on May 1, 2023 10:30:10 GMT
Yeah but the fans havnt cheated and they are the ones having to go and support them in League One, that’s the sad part. Also agree with this
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Post by rickyqpr on May 1, 2023 10:44:32 GMT
I think so often there are back stories that do not become clear to the paying fans. Ainsworth, Critchley and even Clive (LFW) make references to things going on behind the scenes at QPR - or major things that need sorting etc. In Reading's case, there is obviously much more to disclose - and the fans deserve to know. But immediately after they had agreed their business plan, Reading went out and signed Carroll. It was reported at the time that it was highly unlikely that such a signing / wage would have been within the agreed plan. They had a year to get in line. They had to submit at the 6 months stage, and yet it seems that they just ran it out, almost not caring, or totally unable to act. Ince is a pretty annoying, unlikeable character, and his son is a major part of the team. He was pretty outspoken about the breach and the points deduction and so he probably had to go. But he had a good point. Reading would be up with us without the deduction, and we would still be sweating on next Monday. The behaviour of the Reading management changed the outcome not only for their own club, but for several other clubs around them. Arrogant or incompetent - answers on a postcard, but had that been QPR I dread to think the reaction.
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Post by Marc on May 1, 2023 15:23:04 GMT
Rotherham now safe after beating Middlesborough 1-0. A point for Huddersfield v Sheff Utd on Thursday will relegate Reading and I think they'll get it.
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Post by harr on May 1, 2023 17:12:56 GMT
I think so often there are back stories that do not become clear to the paying fans. Ainsworth, Critchley and even Clive (LFW) make references to things going on behind the scenes at QPR - or major things that need sorting etc. In Reading's case, there is obviously much more to disclose - and the fans deserve to know. But immediately after they had agreed their business plan, Reading went out and signed Carroll. It was reported at the time that it was highly unlikely that such a signing / wage would have been within the agreed plan. They had a year to get in line. They had to submit at the 6 months stage, and yet it seems that they just ran it out, almost not caring, or totally unable to act. Ince is a pretty annoying, unlikeable character, and his son is a major part of the team. He was pretty outspoken about the breach and the points deduction and so he probably had to go. But he had a good point. Reading would be up with us without the deduction, and we would still be sweating on next Monday. The behaviour of the Reading management changed the outcome not only for their own club, but for several other clubs around them. Arrogant or incompetent - answers on a postcard, but had that been QPR I dread to think the reaction. Yeah it was wrong by Reading on every front I agree but then again look at what TF did to us, absolutely clueless so who are we to judge owners. Obviously we paid for it, at we are for 10 years and Reading will also pay dropping down a League but as ever fans suffer the most.
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Post by harr on May 1, 2023 17:14:10 GMT
Rotherham now safe after beating Middlesborough 1-0. A point for Huddersfield v Sheff Utd on Thursday will relegate Reading and I think they'll get it. I think probably Sheff Utd will rest and take it like a warm up game. I hope they field a strong team. Guess Hudds will get the point they need.
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Post by Marc on May 4, 2023 20:54:14 GMT
And that's that. Would've liked a final day showdown but this was always the most likely outcome.
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Post by Macmoish on May 4, 2023 20:55:26 GMT
Neil Warnock is truly amazing...Another phenomenal job. Let's remember the mire in when he joined Huddersfield He's one of the nominees for Championship Manager of the Month for April
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Post by harr on May 4, 2023 21:05:29 GMT
It was always going to be a Huddersfield result once Sheff U didn’t need to play for anything same as the Rotherham v Boro game, both these fixtures happened at the worst time for Reading
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Post by Macmoish on May 5, 2023 9:31:29 GMT
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Post by harr on Feb 13, 2024 7:54:49 GMT
Crazy that a year on we find us doing exactly the same as last year. Scrapping at the bottom Well tonight I guess we want a rejuvenated Blackburn to go to Birmingham and get a win or draw, seeing as we have Birmingham at home next Month. Heavy loss for Wednesday at Leicester would be good too. Rotherham are pretty much looking like a team almost buried.
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Post by robindubois on Feb 14, 2024 9:06:48 GMT
Well Blackburn did not work out but to be frank I have stopped looking too closely at the other results although obviously keep an eye on them.
We currently have a squad and manager capable of keeping us up but it will be tough with the gap they were given to make up and with all the other clubs above playing each other and anyone beating anyone, everyone picks up points. We need either a good wining run (a little help from a piece of luck or some decent refs would help) or we have to keep nipping away at the gap a point at a time and hope we close it.
The big challenge I think is for the manager to keep the motivation and more importantly the confidence in the players minds. A couple of slips and the current gap could open again and confidence will disappear.
Our fate is in our own hands and we can only be thankful the changes were made, albeit too late. If Ainsworth was still in charge I am confident we would be bottom and 20 points off safety by now. So we have to plug away and hope we make it and with our January changes I believe we can.
If we do not make it we will have to put our hands up and say we were not good enough to close the gap but I will always put the blame at the feet of Amit and Wildthing for getting us into this mess in the first place and then failing to act when necessary.
So on to tonight and a game which will have a massive psychological impact on our season. A win will take us out of the bottom 3 (which will feel like a miracle) and depending on other results will put us right in the mix to stay up. A draw will feel like a missed opportunity but still hanging on while a lose will be a kick in the teeth. Stoke are now in a similar sort of position so I expect it to be close unless one team collapses, and Stoke will not be taking any prisoners - a game just waiting for red cards injuries and a scrap. We need to rise above that and play the football we can play and our team selection will be interesting. On the little seen so far we seem to have at last signed a striker who will get in front of the defenders and hit the net - lets see.
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Post by rickyqpr on Feb 14, 2024 11:13:18 GMT
Yes, I was watching SSN last evening - an evening full of goals and incidents - with goals shown as they went in. Ainsworth was one of the pundits. I like the man, but as a pundit he is probably as effective as he was our manager. Tyler Roberts started for Birmingham and missed two chances that he really should have scored. Birmingham were by far the better side, and that tells you how poor Stoke must have been last Saturday when Blackburn raced into a three goal lead. I hope we are not playing them one game too late - after their clear the air meeting. But as a club, Stoke display all the problems that we have lived through. A good bright manager, but he has his work cut out - he should have stayed at Plymouth. Dozzell's finish was calm, he would have snatched at it if he was still wearing the hoops. Although it is daft that he has helped one of our rivals to pull clear, the bigger picture says that his loan has facilitated much better replacements, so we have to suck it up. Kelman seems to be doing well at Wigan - one goal and one assist. But tonight's game will be a tense affair and we have to hope that Stoke do not score first, as we are not good chasing games. Our fixtures in March are tough, so we need some points from the next 3 games. Bristol City were good last night, finding form at the wrong time for us, so tonight's game is even more important. Agree that it may well turn on the decisions of the ref. - Just getting my prayer mat out......
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Post by hitmanrangers on Feb 14, 2024 12:40:43 GMT
6 points from remaining games in Feb would give us a good chance of staying up.
March is tough but we have 3 games at home, and they will be key.
I still think we need to aim for 50 points to be absolutely safe and avoid last game nerves so that is 5-7 wins with a few draws thrown in. We probably can’t lose more than 5 games to end of season. Reality most likely less than 50 could be enough but Marti should be setting out a high target.
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Post by robindubois on Feb 15, 2024 12:04:29 GMT
Yes, I was watching SSN last evening - an evening full of goals and incidents - with goals shown as they went in. Ainsworth was one of the pundits. I like the man, but as a pundit he is probably as effective as he was our manager. Tyler Roberts started for Birmingham and missed two chances that he really should have scored. Birmingham were by far the better side, and that tells you how poor Stoke must have been last Saturday when Blackburn raced into a three goal lead. I hope we are not playing them one game too late - after their clear the air meeting. But as a club, Stoke display all the problems that we have lived through. A good bright manager, but he has his work cut out - he should have stayed at Plymouth. Dozzell's finish was calm, he would have snatched at it if he was still wearing the hoops. Although it is daft that he has helped one of our rivals to pull clear, the bigger picture says that his loan has facilitated much better replacements, so we have to suck it up. Kelman seems to be doing well at Wigan - one goal and one assist. But tonight's game will be a tense affair and we have to hope that Stoke do not score first, as we are not good chasing games. Our fixtures in March are tough, so we need some points from the next 3 games. Bristol City were good last night, finding form at the wrong time for us, so tonight's game is even more important. Agree that it may well turn on the decisions of the ref. - Just getting my prayer mat out...... Luckily Sky cut me off during a recent token random "purge" of overseas card holders they do occasionally to keep the right side of government regulations but without touching the other tens of thousands of overseas card holders from whom they make a fortune. So I am down to the internet and really do not miss Sky and save a bit of money. Just thinking of the pundits though it would be great if Sky put Ainsworth Holloway and Warnock together as their pundit team.. Now Hodgson is on the way out at Palace today Sky could rope him in as well but rumour has it Ainsworth is interested in the Palace job .......but he ain't going to get it
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Post by harr on Feb 16, 2024 10:14:07 GMT
If Marti carries on at his current PPG we will end up with 45 points so wouldn’t be quite enough. If we managed one more win in the 14 matches than Martis average we would finish on 47 ish. 47 might just be enough. You still kind of feel had our useless owners not acted 4-5 games sooner than wasting another 14 matches this season on Ainsworth , we probably would have managed to stay up comfortably.
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Post by rickyqpr on Feb 16, 2024 10:36:28 GMT
Really hard to work out why we screw up the important ones. It is not as if we freeze on the big occasions, but it looks so poor - as if they are just phoning it in. We did ok (not great) in the first half but Stoke were rivaling Millwall for the poorest display against us. I thought that both teams were worried about conceding the first goal - but QPR were the 'tidiest' of the two. But given that we cannot defend set pieces, we seemed so casual in conceding them all evening. Begovic really frustrates me, he is a decent shot stopper, but his feet are so slow, and he is vulnerable at set pieces (aren't all QPR players?). Most games I end up thinking that he made some decent saves but could have done better with the goal(s). that is because most goals are conceded either by set piece, or through a crowded area with him not getting down. I have heard some crazy wages attributed to him, and I guess that is why he is still captain. Archer is no better though as an option. But I was shouting at the telly on Wednesday at the lack of urgency. We were time wasting in the first half, then strolling around in the second. Even with 8 minutes added, we were just strolling. Our poor performances do correlate with 3 games a week - tired older players, less time on the training ground - but is that too simple? But there is nothing new about this with QPR. I have said 'It is the hope that kills' for far too long. We have no idea how to break teams down when we go behind. Only against Huddersfield did we recover, with a goal off Paal's backside - and that says it all. Our head coach is good, he picked the side we hoped for. Not sure why we persevered with Paal and Chair taking the set pieces. Not sure why Chair cut inside for 90 minutes to shoot and hit the first defender. Not sure why Armstrong was so isolated and then not helped by the officials. Not sure why the substitutions made no difference. Not sure why players who were good on Saturday were so poor by Wednesday. Not sure how much the coach can do about it now, but he may need to rotate for tomorrow. Field for Colback. Frey for Armstrong. Anderson for Smyth. Maybe even rest Paal. But other clubs are equally poor. Millwall poor against Ipswich. Stoke won, but they are just as poor. But for QPR to stay up now, they will have to beat some big teams and for some other club to go into meltdown. The chances are pretty low sadly.
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Post by hitmanrangers on Feb 16, 2024 11:57:22 GMT
Continuing to screw up the opportunities to get out of the bottom 3 now puts destiny outside of our own hands. We rely on other now to hit bad form. We will wins games but need other results to go our way now.
Lots of the teams play each other particularly around Easter so it is vital that we are still in touch by then. However history does not fill us with confidence, as we just can’t seem to handle pressure.
Signings too late, as we could not clear out players early enough, and unfit due to lack of game time, is not helping us but players need to dig deep and find something like they eventually did last year albeit Burnley result was a complete fluke that 9/10 would have been a defeat. We need something similar this year and some!
Still believe!
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Post by robindubois on Feb 18, 2024 9:48:02 GMT
Oh ye of little faith - what difference 3 days can make.
A week ago, if asked, I would have said pessimistically that we should only expect to pick up one point from a war at Stoke while our chances at B City on the back of their beating Southampton were next to nil. So 3 points from the 2 games are not bad imo.
The swings in performance are still worrying but with the loans settling in (I think Andersen will turn out to be excellent for us) Marti is slowly getting things sorted out and using the squad when he has to.
A few weeks ago we were 6 points adrift of the safety of 21st place, today we 6 points adrift of 15th with one third of the league in striking distance and still a long 13 games to go. We have some tough ones in there but we seem to perform as well or even better in those and I think our away performances may well end up as good or better than at home with less fan pressure/expectation and the style Marti is instilling. So I look at recent form - yes a poor loss at Stoke but so far in Feb we have played 4 won 2 drawn 1 lost 1 - 7 points from 4 games, equates to 73 points in a full season, not exactly relegation form and if we carry on like that we will be well safe. Since Marti joined we have had both bad runs and good runs but we have strengthened the squad in January and I for one expect that to pay dividends
I understand everyone wants to let off steam after a bad performance or loss of what seems to be a 6 pointer but the swings in comments and seeing loyal fans saying the club deserves to go down, none of our current players should ever play for us again etc are a bit over the top. How many games at this stage of the season are real 6 pointers? Stoke seemed that way but and it was a missed opportunity to achieve the optic of being outside the bottom 3 but after yesterday's results was it really a 6 pointer that will decide who gets relegated.
I am still a glass half full man and will never give up until mathematically we are either safe or relegated. I still think positively that we will be safe - I may be proven wrong but that's life and football. The one thing I do know is that the club and players need the fans support and not some of the **** that was splashed across social media midweek.
Just saying.
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Post by harr on Feb 18, 2024 10:10:17 GMT
I’m hoping we can get 4 points from Rotherham,Leics and WBA Giving us 36 points with 10 to go. Then we have 8 matches with teams from 8th to near bottom. Need four wins in these, that gives us 48 before Leeds and Coventry Hoping that these two are in the play offs and May rest some players.
So that equates to 5 wins and a draw giving us 48 pts, Nick a draw in the last two games and then we set the others 50 to relegate us.
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Post by hitmanrangers on Feb 19, 2024 7:47:50 GMT
I think we will need to beat a top team in the run in - Leicester, West Brom, Leeds or Coventry. Then throw in 4 wins and a couple of draws from the rest, and we have a good chance.
Those teams above us who win their game in hand are probably out of reach. I think it is likely 2 from us, Sheff Weds, Millwall, Stoke, Huddersfield and Swansea.
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Post by hitmanrangers on Feb 19, 2024 7:54:04 GMT
If you take that above group plus Rotherham as mini league, then most have 3 or 4 games (we have 3) against that bottom 7 except Swansea have 6 games.
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Post by surreychad on Feb 19, 2024 11:24:45 GMT
Just read that Mobray is temporarily stepping down as Birmingham Manger due t illness. I wish him the best but that will cause Brum a few headaches.
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