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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2012 10:52:31 GMT
It wont be a case of Adel OR SWP.They linked up well in the few games they played together and it will happen again I hope. Funny you mention Adel in a thread about us calling for a player to be ditched.It wasnt very long ago where I and a few others were defending Adel against quite a few people on this board who were calling for us to get rid of him. They even were saying he wasnt or never will be a Prem standard player.Like I said its easy to follow the crowd when a scapegoat has been identified.Back then it was adel now it seems it is SWP. One can play football & one cant. You spelt cant incorrectly I'm not sure if you meant to use an apostrophe or a u in the word |
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Post by ozhoop on Jan 30, 2012 10:55:48 GMT
It wont be a case of Adel OR SWP.They linked up well in the few games they played together and it will happen again I hope. Funny you mention Adel in a thread about us calling for a player to be ditched.It wasnt very long ago where I and a few others were defending Adel against quite a few people on this board who were calling for us to get rid of him. They even were saying he wasnt or never will be a Prem standard player.Like I said its easy to follow the crowd when a scapegoat has been identified.Back then it was adel now it seems it is SWP. Yes and do you know why that is?? It's because neither players were performing. When we called for Adel's head he was shocking but then ha came back into the team and started playing like we knew he could. SWP on the other hand has been useless all season. Yeah you'll follow the crowd again once another scapegoat takes SWP's place when he gets his confidence back. Wonder who it will be ? |
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jan 30, 2012 10:56:30 GMT
Yes and do you know why that is?? It's because neither players were performing. When we called for Adel's head he was shocking but then ha came back into the team and started playing like we knew he could. SWP on the other hand has been useless all season. Yeah you'll follow the crowd again once another scapegoat takes SWP's place when he gets his confidence back. Wonder who it will be ? Nothin got do with confidence, more to do with no technique. |
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Post by ozhoop on Jan 30, 2012 11:04:42 GMT
Yeah you'll follow the crowd again once another scapegoat takes SWP's place when he gets his confidence back. Wonder who it will be ? Nothin got do with confidence, more to do with no technique. Yeah like Adel didnt have the technique against Prem players.He was great against championship defenders but would never make it against Prem defenders. Now the same ppl who wanted him out are pleading for him to get back quick from Africa. The tide will change again for SWP and there will be another scapegoat. It wont be Mackie tho cos he will be gone . |
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 30, 2012 11:06:05 GMT
IF SWP is so bad/lacking in everything: Then how come he was so good when he first joined us?
(If he can do it then. He can do it again)
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jan 30, 2012 11:08:45 GMT
Nothin got do with confidence, more to do with no technique. Yeah like Adel didnt have the technique against Prem players.He was great against championship defenders but would never make it against Prem defenders. Now the same ppl who wanted him out are pleading for him to get back quick from Africa. The tide will change again for SWP and there will be another scapegoat. It wont be Mackie tho cos he will be gone . From what I remember about the Adel discussions on here everyone agreed that he had the technique to do very well in the Prem but he didn't want to play for us. It was his mindset that we didn't like, which was having a huge effect on how he was playing. |
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Post by klr on Jan 30, 2012 11:10:13 GMT
IF SWP is so bad/lacking in everything: Then how come he was so good when he first joined us? (If he can do it then. He can do it again) I dont think he was ever that good in the first place. It's not really his fault, its the coaching system that allows a player with a complete lack of technical ability "make it" in the first place. How can a winger that cannot cross "make it" in professional football ? lol Only in England. |
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Post by ozhoop on Jan 30, 2012 11:10:37 GMT
IF SWP is so bad/lacking in everything: Then how come he was so good when he first joined us? (If he can do it then. He can do it again) Exactly Mac. Or is KLR right in that scum ,Citeh and the manager of England and the rest of us were mugged off and we all are mesmorised by someone who runs fast.. |
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Post by klr on Jan 30, 2012 11:12:02 GMT
Comparing the respective abilty levels & technical standards or Taarabt & Shaun Wright-Phillips is an awful, disrespectful conversation to have.
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Post by klr on Jan 30, 2012 11:12:19 GMT
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Post by ozhoop on Jan 30, 2012 11:12:57 GMT
Yeah like Adel didnt have the technique against Prem players.He was great against championship defenders but would never make it against Prem defenders. Now the same ppl who wanted him out are pleading for him to get back quick from Africa. The tide will change again for SWP and there will be another scapegoat. It wont be Mackie tho cos he will be gone . From what I remember about the Adel discussions on here everyone agreed that he had the technique to do very well in the Prem but he didn't want to play for us. It was his mindset that we didn't like, which was having a huge effect on how he was playing. I cant be arsed to look back but people definately said he would never make it as a Prem player because the defenders were a better standard.. |
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Post by klr on Jan 30, 2012 11:13:10 GMT
IF SWP is so bad/lacking in everything: Then how come he was so good when he first joined us? (If he can do it then. He can do it again) Exactly Mac. Or is KLR right in that scum ,Citeh and the manager of England and the rest of us were mugged off and we all are mesmorised by someone who runs fast.. Yes, I am right & you know it just as well as I do. |
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jan 30, 2012 11:13:21 GMT
IF SWP is so bad/lacking in everything: Then how come he was so good when he first joined us? (If he can do it then. He can do it again) Exactly Mac. Or is KLR right in that scum ,Citeh and the manager of England and the rest of us were mugged off and we all are mesmorised by someone who runs fast.. Yes he is right, the coaching in this country is terrible and players like SWP and Walcott are regarded as 'good' football players. Neither of those players would ever have made it in Germany, Spain, France, Holland, Italy. |
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Post by ozhoop on Jan 30, 2012 11:14:37 GMT
Comparing the respective abilty levels & technical standards or Taarabt & Shaun Wright-Phillips is an awful, disrespectful conversation to have. Exactly .Like I said it will never be Adel OR SWP .They will play together .And they will play well together ,like they did for a couple of games for us.. |
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Post by klr on Jan 30, 2012 11:16:37 GMT
Theo Walcott is a shockingly bad football player, but 17 year olds talk about him like he is World Class & could play for Barcelona or Real Madrid lol
From Chris Waddle to Theo Walcott lol
Educate yourselves.....
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Post by klr on Jan 30, 2012 11:17:27 GMT
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Jan 30, 2012 11:18:51 GMT
at the least he needs to be dropped, no form at all presently, rather see andrade given a go.
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Post by cpr on Jan 30, 2012 11:18:53 GMT
The only song being sung at the final whistle was
ANTON FERDINAND, SAY ANTON FERDINAND
It was quality, I heard nobody singing about Wrong-Phillips.
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Post by ozhoop on Jan 30, 2012 11:21:34 GMT
Oh here we go .Watch out Stanly Mathews vids will be coming up next..
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Post by qprian on Jan 30, 2012 11:24:45 GMT
@ OZHOOP, you would never want to be a Golf Pro...trust me, in the Gold Coast right now and its so hot and stuffy its horrible, give me a cold LR anyday. They keep telling me that QPR should sign Harry Kewell !!!! I reckon I would prefer Harry Enfield before Harry Kewell. So what do we think of Cisse ? Is he the answer?
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Post by ozhoop on Jan 30, 2012 11:26:47 GMT
Exactly Mac. Or is KLR right in that scum ,Citeh and the manager of England and the rest of us were mugged off and we all are mesmorised by someone who runs fast.. Yes he is right, the coaching in this country is terrible and players like SWP and Walcott are regarded as 'good' football players. Neither of those players would ever have made it in Germany, Spain, France, Holland, Italy. So who else should we at little QPR turn our noses up at cos they have been coached England stylie? Gerrard? Sturridge .You never know TF might get the big notes out and we can go for better players like Messi or CR7.  |
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Post by klr on Jan 30, 2012 11:28:24 GMT
Voted greatest Olympic Marseille player of alltime, an ex worker in a sausage factory from Newcastle, Chris "Magic" Waddle
If anyone can tell me how we have gone from that to the likes of Theo Walcott & Shaun Wright-Phillips et al, then I'd love to know.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jan 30, 2012 11:29:48 GMT
Yes he is right, the coaching in this country is terrible and players like SWP and Walcott are regarded as 'good' football players. Neither of those players would ever have made it in Germany, Spain, France, Holland, Italy. So who else should we at little QPR turn our noses up at cos they have been coached England stylie? Gerrard? Sturridge .You never know TF might get the big notes out and we can go for better players like Messi or CR7. I didn't say all England players did I? Just those pacey players who made into professional football because of that pace despite the fact they're actually very ordinary technique wise. Would rather we play Bruno Andrade. |
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Post by ozhoop on Jan 30, 2012 11:30:35 GMT
@ OZHOOP, you would never want to be a Golf Pro...trust me, in the Gold Coast right now and its so hot and stuffy its horrible, give me a cold LR anyday. They keep telling me that QPR should sign Harry Kewell !!!! I reckon I would prefer Harry Enfield before Harry Kewell. So what do we think of Cisse ? Is he the answer? Kewell? Whoever said that must be a Rugby league fan .They no f*** all about football over here .Thay call it soccer for one thing... Gold coast eh .Not too far from me .I'm up on the Sunny Coast.. |
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Post by cpr on Jan 30, 2012 12:00:08 GMT
Sorry but the very mention of Waddle brings that penalty glaringly back into my mind!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2012 12:05:37 GMT
Did anyone feel at the time that Waddle was going to score?
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Post by bowranger on Jan 30, 2012 12:32:37 GMT
Waddle was absolute class and it's a shame the first thing that often comes to mind was that (bloody awful) penalty. He was stunning at Marseille.
I think a player like SWP would actually make it in Europe in terms of his immediate physical attributes - pace, ball control, his lack of physical strength not seen as an immediate problem as it often is in the English leagues - but the point is, as others have pointed out, is that it's to do with how he was coached. To me its an intelligence and discipline issue. The argument's been had loads about the standard of English football coaching, winning at any cost taking priority over building future talent in youth football etc. But he could have turned into quite a different player on the mainland. I mean look at a player like Hazard at Lille - fast, pacey, dangerous down the wing - but he's come through a youth system that promotes a footballing brain.
With SWP it is, I say, 90% down to his decision making. I think it's wrong to say he's a crap footballer, I think he's clearly very talented, but his final decision making always lets him down - and that's where he is always going to get judged. Fundamentally, if there's no final product then a lot of build up to that decision is rendered fairly useless. He has the technical ability to be formidable if he had the footballing brain - to chose the correct pass after dancing round players. To cut in or out at the last minute into space than into the path of a massive centre back and so on.
I mean compare him to Tommy Smith - Smith probably isn't a regular top flight shoe-in by any means and in terms of brute physical talent lags behind SWP. But what Smith has is a footballing brain - he makes up for lacking in certain areas by almost always spotting runs, spotting space, shooting at the correct time with good technique etc. It's a shame really as SWP is probably too far gone for Hughes to have an effect on him - I'd love to be proved wrong though. I'd like to think that he has a lot to offer but just not as an out and out winger. You link him with Taarabt and make it more about short bursts of pace with a simple pass option rather than it being a necessity to take umpteen players on, and he could still be very useful (as I think he has been on occasions this season) - particularly when Taarabt's back. It would be mutually beneficial for both Taarabt and SWP - both being on the pitch maximises the use of their good points and minimises their negatives.
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Post by andygg on Jan 30, 2012 13:10:55 GMT
No, i didnt hear any singing about SWP, just loads of people swearing when he lost the ball, (me included)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2012 13:14:44 GMT
No, i didnt hear any singing about SWP, just loads of people swearing when he lost the ball, (me included) The one's who didn't swear when he lost the ball were the one's who swore when he received the ball |
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Post by andygg on Jan 30, 2012 13:24:56 GMT
No, i didnt hear any singing about SWP, just loads of people swearing when he lost the ball, (me included) The one's who didn't swear when he lost the ball were the one's who swore when he received the ball Bloke behind me moaning for 90 minutes, "SWP cant play on the left, he is right footed, he has to cut inside all the time, hes not left footed, he cant play there, etc etc etc. Give me strength SHUT-UP. |
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