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Post by klr on Dec 31, 2011 23:54:11 GMT
Oh Dear, Oh Dear, Oh Dear.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Dec 31, 2011 23:55:32 GMT
You were right all along klr, you said he was over rated when we signed him and he has proven you right.
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Post by harlowranger on Jan 1, 2012 0:09:54 GMT
He hasnt been terrible just pretty average , him and Barton both been poor but the three Defenders we got have done well .
Still 1 goal between 2 midfielders , played around 15 games each , 2700 minutes for one goal is not a good return !
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Post by qprian on Jan 1, 2012 1:01:55 GMT
BE WARNED......HEADLESS CHICKENS TAKE YOU DOWN !!! Please read all my posts too about this headless chicken!!! Remember my chels.cum pals are still pissing themselves laughing that we ever signed him. All pace no brain and first second third and fourth touches are atrocious. Warnock can only have signed him on name as if we had him watched then our scout was either blind or dumb or both, sorry to compare but who was that player they sung " hes got a pineapple on his head" ( Jason something?) Then how about " da da da da da da da da .....da da da da da da da da ,......da da da da da da da da quick but uselesss ( SWP song).
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Post by londonranger on Jan 1, 2012 1:09:01 GMT
Doesnt he look like he has no idea where to go with the ball,. but Im thinking its a systemic problem
that players arent aligning and helping each other create real chances.
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Post by mm2h on Jan 1, 2012 1:14:01 GMT
SWP has been a complete waste of money. Barton is not far behind either!
But QPR were getting so good just 2 months ago and then after the Chelsea & Stoke wins the team has just bombed.
They do not play as a team. The passing is awful and set pieces a joke.
I suspect that come the summer, whatever happens, SWP will move on, Barton too.
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Post by superckat on Jan 1, 2012 1:42:47 GMT
Weren't too many people complaining when we signed Barton and SWP. Performances have been poor lately. Not all their fault. All this playing free roles or switching sides during games don't work. Bothroyd trying his hardest to avoid going into the penalty area doesn't help either. Add the fact that Heider can only score with his head means that we are toothless up and leaves hardly any options to our attacking midfielders.
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Post by ozhoop on Jan 1, 2012 2:32:42 GMT
Warnock can only have signed him on name as if we had him watched then our scout was either blind or dumb or both, ). Sadly you may be right cos both Warnock or the 'scout' have failed to master the fact that SWP is a right sided player,always has been always will be. Square pegs round holes  |
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Post by ozhoop on Jan 1, 2012 3:00:36 GMT
Both the Adel and SWP bashers are rearing their ugly heads again when infact both played ok today .
Terrible pass from Shaun tho .Shocking but Arse were clinical in finishing it.
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Post by saphilip on Jan 1, 2012 7:14:06 GMT
Am I only one who thought that Barton had a decent game yesterday? His seemed to anticipate the danger ahead of anybody else and always seemed to be at the right spot at the right time to make the vital block.
Taarabt showed large glimpses of what he is capable of but can be too selfish for the club's own good at times.
As for SWP? i think he has regressed in recent matches. Horrendous midtake that lead to their goal but truth be said RvP was never going to miss every chance that came his way - whiel walcott missed an absoulte sitter just before they scored.
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Post by klr on Jan 1, 2012 9:06:58 GMT
Theo Walcott et al suffers from the same psychological "disorder" but compared to SWP you might as well call him Glenn Hoddle or Chris Waddle, some of the stuff SWP does is so bad, so laughably bad, that you would actually laugh if he wasnt on £50 grand a week & had just cost you the match.
It tells you all you need to know about the failure of English coaching that players like SWP have "made it" in the first place, truly laughable.
To think that Chelsea paid £20 Million quid for him, that is truly frightening.
& I'm sure he's a nice bloke & all the rest of it, but on the football pitch ?! really have you ever seen a more braindead, headless chicken than that ? lol
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jan 1, 2012 10:44:12 GMT
I had high hopse for the headless chicken and I am disappointed that he has proved me wrong. In the game this morning I thought he was a complete waste of space and he can tell his dad that too! Like Barton, neither are living up to their potential and or reputations. bad enough our two goalscorers are not scoring either. In fact, the only good news is that 34 year old Helguson is repaying the club with more goals this season than in the previous few and good on him.
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Post by terryb on Jan 1, 2012 12:23:23 GMT
Am I only one who thought that Barton had a decent game yesterday? His seemed to anticipate the danger ahead of anybody else and always seemed to be at the right spot at the right time to make the vital block. Taarabt showed large glimpses of what he is capable of but can be too selfish for the club's own good at times. As for SWP? i think he has regressed in recent matches. Horrendous midtake that lead to their goal but truth be said RvP was never going to miss every chance that came his way - whiel walcott missed an absoulte sitter just before they scored. I thought Barton had a very good game. Although from being so low down in the ground & the angle you are looking at the game from it was not easy to form any real assessment. I could be wrong but I felt that Barton & Faurlin matched Song, Ramsey & Arteta in midfield. SWP did not have a bad game but that pass lost us the match. For all their posession Arsenal would not have scored without our help. Still, it was a lot better performance than we gave in the 1-0 defeat in the first game of 2011. |
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Post by eusebio13 on Jan 1, 2012 12:39:47 GMT
Weren't too many people complaining when we signed Barton and SWP. Performances have been poor lately. Not all their fault. All this playing free roles or switching sides during games don't work. Bothroyd trying his hardest to avoid going into the penalty area doesn't help either. Add the fact that Heider can only score with his head means that we are toothless up and leaves hardly any options to our attacking midfielders. what he said  |
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Post by klr on Jan 1, 2012 12:58:37 GMT
I dont understand all this not his fault if he's been asked to play here or there, the guy cannot pass, shoot or cross wherever he is on the pitch.
Give me Jamie Mackie over him anyday of the week, I dont dislike him, I just dont think he can play football, not a bad state of affairs when he is paid £50 grand a week for not being able to play football, its not his fault either, its English Football that has produced these players that cant play football, the standard of crossing amongst this generation of so called "wingers" is a bad joke, Adam Johnson aside, it is a laughable state of affairs, truly laughable.
Spain produces David Villa, Jesus Navas, Pedro, Juan Mata & about five others that I cant think of off the top of me head right now, Germany produces those hugely progressive & intelligent midfield / wide attacking players, England produces Shaun Wright Phillips & Theo Walcott lol.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jan 1, 2012 13:15:10 GMT
Agree with every word you said klr, if you compare the players we bring through in England to the players in Germany we look like a laughing stock. They have Ozil, Mario Gotze and Mario Gomes while we have Theo Walcott, Emile Heskey and James Milner.
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Post by superckat on Jan 1, 2012 13:22:21 GMT
Strange how people see the game differently. Got a last minute ticket and was sat with the Arsenal. They hate Barton but thought he had a good game. Thought SWP was a threat as he actually took on their players. Were bemused by Mackie as they thought although he ran around a lot he didn't actually didn't do anything. Thought Bothroyd was shit and couldn't understand why he started instead of Campbell. Also thought Tarrabt was a good player.
They knew I was QPR as I kept saying FFS every time we gave the ball away. So I told them. They were a decent bunch around there. But there fans are boring. Not that much of an atmosphere.
Btw that left back they brought on in the 2nd half was class. Forgot his name but he's about 4th choice there. Only got in the squad because of injuries to others. We should try and get him on loan.
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Post by bostonr on Jan 1, 2012 13:45:35 GMT
The team we were promoted with didn't have a hope in hell of staying up. Warnock, through circumstances out of his control. was forced to add to the team in a hurry, choosing from a by then, limited pool of available players. I think most of his purchases were sound, including Barton and SWP, it's what's missing is the problem and I hope he is able to finish his shopping in the next few weeks.
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Post by saphilip on Jan 1, 2012 14:57:08 GMT
I agrere BostonR - I wonder of SWP would have been bought if the takeover had happened a month earlier and NW had more time to buy new blood.
To be fair SWP started brightly for us - and indeed was one of our top players during the initial weeks of the season - but his form has disappeared since then.
I have to agree with KLR's assessment of English midfields - I'm not sure if it is the coaching methods, tactics or what but when you can see what other nations can produce (and not just the traditional powerhouses look at some of the so called middle countries as well) then you have to wonder what is England doing wrong.
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Post by kilburnhoop on Jan 1, 2012 15:15:29 GMT
SWP wasnt that bad yesterday, i thought barton had a very good game. Mackie was shocking, cant believe he lasted so long on the pitch. Have to drop him for Norwich and play SWP wide right.
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Post by superckat on Jan 1, 2012 16:03:54 GMT
Forgot to mention that the Arsenal fans thought we looked well organised in defence. But they are Arsenal fans so defence isn't something they have a lot of knowledge of.
Also that left back they bought on was called Couqlin. I think. But just saw the Wengers interview. Where he says he's actually a central midfielder. We should still try to get him on loan.
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Post by klr on Jan 1, 2012 16:27:16 GMT
SWP wasnt that bad yesterday, i thought barton had a very good game. Mackie was shocking, cant believe he lasted so long on the pitch. Have to drop him for Norwich and play SWP wide right. What do you hope to achieve by playing SWP "wide right" ? Are you trying to imply that he can cross a football on to his teammates head inside the six yard box ? that is a preposterous suggestion based on pure fantasy! I'd play him "wide right" as well, right outside the stadium at one of the bus stops in South Africa Road. Traore can attack & cross, but cant defend. SWP? what does he actually do ? If English Football was serious about making any real progress, they would have an enquiry in to why a generation of so called "wingers" have made it without being able to cross a football in to the box on to their teammates head. The more you think about it, the more laughably it becomes, from the likes of Waddle, Barnes & Beardsley, we have ended up a generation later with SWP & Theo Walcott; great athletes that cant play Football to save their lives, I could name 30 young British / English players that would cost over £10 Million quid in todays market that are utter utter cr ap. Phil Jones, Adam Johnson are genuinely great prospects, but the majority ? I find it utterly cringeworthy & laughable that players as obviously limited as this can "make it" lol Theo Walcott ??! lol do me a favour! |
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Post by superckat on Jan 1, 2012 16:33:55 GMT
We can't put to right the inadequacies of the English coaching system. What we can try and influence is the inadequacies of QPRs formation. We stand a lot better chance of success sticking SWP wide right as opposed to him drifting all over the place. He won't look half as bad and we might look twice as effective if we did that.
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Post by klr on Jan 1, 2012 16:35:00 GMT
Kyle Walker, Phil Jones, Adam Johnson, these guys can play football IN SPITE OF, not because of the system that have been brought through as youngsters, essentially what I am saying is that it is a pure fluke when genuinely talented players come through our so called "system" in this country, we went nigh on 15 years without our national team having a recognised left footed, left winger, Paul Scholes used to play there FFS! you couldnt make this up! This is English Football, one of the best central midfielders in thirty years played Left Wing for England!
Jack Rodwell; another great athlete that cant play football, this is the conveyer belt that English Football produces, FFS when is the penny going to drop with these clowns ?! ITS MORE IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE FOOTBALL THAN IT IS TO BE BUILT LIKE A BOXER & RUN 100metres in 10 seconds, these lot really havent got a clue, there has been NO progress in the last 15 years in this country, bunch of absolute morons / clowns, I cant take this sport seriously.
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Post by klr on Jan 1, 2012 16:41:30 GMT
SWP is rubbish, no point denying it, how old is he now ? 30 years old, his whole "career" has been one big blag.
When the guy made the point on here the other day about his Chelsea mates slaughtering him when we signed SWP really struck a chord with me, Chelsea paid £21 Million for him, frightening, truly frightening!
This whole debate has made me realise why I hate English Football so much, can you take this sport seriously ?
I havent been able to take this sport seriously in years, thank God I do something serious like running, no blagging or bullsh!tting in that game.
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Jan 1, 2012 17:31:25 GMT
English football has been so far behind the rest for years now, that is fact.
I don't care about our fa, but I do care about qpr's youth policy and its ability to scout talent and to get them playing correct football.
As a club we have been successful in the past with this, only difference this time is we have been left battered and bruised by previous owners, this is going to take time in building it back up.
But we'll get there.
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Post by mikehunt on Jan 1, 2012 17:42:23 GMT
The team we were promoted with didn't have a hope in hell of staying up. I honestly believe they would of done better than this new lot. Serious as well. |
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Post by superckat on Jan 1, 2012 17:56:24 GMT
I say again. We can't do anything about the English coaching system. My focus is on what can be done at QPR. If you think SWP is rubbish fair enough. Then suggest realistic solutions. Anyone can b*tch nonstop that someone or something is rubbish. Doesn't take a genius.
Regardless of thoughts about SWP. He is what we've got. So until we get someone better to replace him. (Which doesnt seem possible as according to what's been posted here most other English players are sh*t.) then we need to get the best out of him. Playing him out of position doesn't help. To be honest I would rather have not got him or anyone if we are going to do that. Makes no sense.
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Post by hitman34 on Jan 1, 2012 18:46:56 GMT
why is everyone here complaining about swp?
the person who signed him and who continues to pick him at right,left midield, foward is the one to blame.
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Post by klr on Jan 1, 2012 19:15:07 GMT
I'm going to look like a right back to front if he scores a hattrick tomorrow.
More chance of Hell freezing over, or more chance of SWP scoring a hattrick for Norwich!
Put him on the bench, cant do too much damage there, can he ?
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