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Post by cowleyhoop on Jan 1, 2012 20:19:41 GMT
Out of the 6 guys we signed only luke young has shown any sort of form Traore has done ok but is not a defender. Swp barton and ferdinand have been a real let down only showing glimpses of what we thought we were getting as for puncheon well that was a waste of time and wages. So i guess if i were fernandes i might be a bit worried about lobbing warnock a chunk of cash to get the club out of trouble
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Post by klr on Jan 1, 2012 23:23:41 GMT
Young, Traore & Ferdinand have IMO been good signings, Traore is a good left winger, & Young & Ferdinand are solid, competent Premiership level defenders.
I think the word for Barton has been "underwhelming" & when you factor in the fact that he is the so called "QPR Captain" then you have to say he has not lived up to the billing, bordering on laughable to think that he is on £80 grand a week, SWP is only on £50 grand a week, not a bad wage when you clearly cant play football to save your life.
Its hard to warm to some of this lot, personally, I wouldnt like to see any of this circus at QPR with players on £80 grand a week & not giving a flying fig about the club they play for, but thats the way football has gone, its easier for people like me to just admit I dont like football anymore, what is there to like ?
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Post by harlowranger on Jan 1, 2012 23:30:56 GMT
Young, Traore & Ferdinand have IMO been good signings, Traore is a good left winger, & Young & Ferdinand are solid, competent Premiership level defenders. I think the word for Barton has been "underwhelming" & when you factor in the fact that he is the so called "QPR Captain" then you have to say he has not lived up to the billing, bordering on laughable to think that he is on £80 grand a week, SWP is only on £50 grand a week, not a bad wage when you clearly cant play football to save your life. Its hard to warm to some of this lot, personally, I wouldnt like to see any of this circus at QPR with players on £80 grand a week & not giving a flying fig about the club they play for, but thats the way football has gone, its easier for people like me to just admit I dont like football anymore, what is there to like ? Young, Traore & Ferdinand have IMO been good signings, Traore is a good left winger, & Young & Ferdinand are solid, competent Premiership level defenders.AGREED KLR Barton and SWP need to raise there game starting tomorrow. I cant for 1 minute understand how Barton has gone from a Player of the year at Newcastle to what he has shown this year strange how a move can affect your game . SWP playing out of position is still a bit of a factor. |
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Post by gerry on Jan 2, 2012 1:18:51 GMT
SWP is quality, we have just lost a little faith recently. due to his loss of form, but at the beginning of the season we were hailing his true class when we saw it. Have some faith and he, alongside Barton, will take us to where we truly belong. COYR
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Post by qprian on Jan 2, 2012 4:47:31 GMT
Kir....my chelsea mates sent me an xmas card saying " we wish you a merry xmas and a shaun wright phillips" Actually they asked me to watch him very closely when he plays. They said if you only focus on him when hes running with the ball then he actually almost passes as a football player however they put the following observations to me:-
1) He has great pace but cannot control the ball at pace
2) He cant cross a ball on the run (often would slice hit top stand)
3) He cant even cross a dead ball thats not moving (forever over or under hit)
4) When running he often forgets to take the ball with him
5) His shooting is on par of that of a centre half
6) He cant see a pass to save his life (lack of vision)
7) Most of his runs are in circles and often backwards of where he gained possession
8) He tries as hard as Jamie Mackie but has even less ability
9) He cant shoot and converts about 1 in 15 realistic chances
10) Apparently wait til we see him have a one on one with the keeper (they say its hilarious)
11) Hes a lovely guy that cant play football
All constructive points put forward to me by people that watched him play and although the chelsea guys hate QPR they did say they actually felt sorry for us knowing what we had just signed.
Dear oh dear oh dear!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2012 8:11:30 GMT
At least if he converts 1 in 15 chances he must be due a couple of goals
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Post by klr on Jan 2, 2012 9:32:31 GMT
Kir....my chelsea mates sent me an xmas card saying " we wish you a merry xmas and a shaun wright phillips" Actually they asked me to watch him very closely when he plays. They said if you only focus on him when hes running with the ball then he actually almost passes as a football player however they put the following observations to me:- 1) He has great pace but cannot control the ball at pace 2) He cant cross a ball on the run (often would slice hit top stand) 3) He cant even cross a dead ball thats not moving (forever over or under hit) 4) When running he often forgets to take the ball with him 5) His shooting is on par of that of a centre half 6) He cant see a pass to save his life (lack of vision) 7) Most of his runs are in circles and often backwards of where he gained possession 8) He tries as hard as Jamie Mackie but has even less ability 9) He cant shoot and converts about 1 in 15 realistic chances 10) Apparently wait til we see him have a one on one with the keeper (they say its hilarious) 11) Hes a lovely guy that cant play football All constructive points put forward to me by people that watched him play and although the chelsea guys hate QPR they did say they actually felt sorry for us knowing what we had just signed. Dear oh dear oh dear! Agree 100% Lovely guy that cant play football pretty much sums it up for me. |
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Post by klr on Jan 2, 2012 9:32:57 GMT
At least if he converts 1 in 15 chances he must be due a couple of goals I reckon he must be due more than that! |
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Post by klr on Jan 2, 2012 9:38:09 GMT
Also I've been trying to find on the internet this so called "Right Wingers" assist rates throughout his career, I cannot find them for the life of me, would appreciate if anyone can find them & post them up, I should imagine they are truly awful / laughable stats, I feel it would be interesting & important in the course of this debate to find out the career assist rates of a winger that cannot cross the ball in to the box.
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Post by eusebio13 on Jan 2, 2012 21:12:51 GMT
Thought he looked really good today and could easily have had two assists
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Jan 2, 2012 21:23:42 GMT
agree with that eusebio.
i thought he played good football, crossed well and ran forward with purpose that created chances for our attackers. still time for him to make a impact.
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Post by harlowranger on Jan 2, 2012 21:29:34 GMT
looked good when he came on , wasnt he playing in near his normal role today though ?
With 10 men we looked the better team for 20 mins .
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Post by bostonr on Jan 2, 2012 21:38:04 GMT
SWP played well today. Suspect crosser, yes...can run around in circles, yes...shooting, not sure, isn't doing much of it, yes...but he earned his wages this afternoon.
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Post by gramps on Jan 2, 2012 21:55:06 GMT
I thought he did well today running up the right wing.
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Post by kilburnhoop on Jan 2, 2012 21:58:30 GMT
SWP wasnt that bad yesterday, i thought barton had a very good game. Mackie was shocking, cant believe he lasted so long on the pitch. Have to drop him for Norwich and play SWP wide right. What do you hope to achieve by playing SWP "wide right" ? Are you trying to imply that he can cross a football on to his teammates head inside the six yard box ? that is a preposterous suggestion based on pure fantasy! I'd play him "wide right" as well, right outside the stadium at one of the bus stops in South Africa Road. Traore can attack & cross, but cant defend. SWP? what does he actually do ? If English Football was serious about making any real progress, they would have an enquiry in to why a generation of so called "wingers" have made it without being able to cross a football in to the box on to their teammates head. The more you think about it, the more laughably it becomes, from the likes of Waddle, Barnes & Beardsley, we have ended up a generation later with SWP & Theo Walcott; great athletes that cant play Football to save their lives, I could name 30 young British / English players that would cost over £10 Million quid in todays market that are utter utter cr ap. Phil Jones, Adam Johnson are genuinely great prospects, but the majority ? I find it utterly cringeworthy & laughable that players as obviously limited as this can "make it" lol Theo Walcott ??! lol do me a favour! I mean exactly what i said WIDE RIGHT where hes played his whole career |
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jan 2, 2012 22:06:00 GMT
I found it incredibly frustrating that the one game Warnock doesn't start Mackie on the right he doesn't even play SWP at all. I thought he was brilliant on the right and as was said above he could easily have had 2 assists if Adel hadn't have gone for that shot with the outside of his boot.
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Post by klr on Jan 2, 2012 23:48:17 GMT
What do you hope to achieve by playing SWP "wide right" ? Are you trying to imply that he can cross a football on to his teammates head inside the six yard box ? that is a preposterous suggestion based on pure fantasy! I'd play him "wide right" as well, right outside the stadium at one of the bus stops in South Africa Road. Traore can attack & cross, but cant defend. SWP? what does he actually do ? If English Football was serious about making any real progress, they would have an enquiry in to why a generation of so called "wingers" have made it without being able to cross a football in to the box on to their teammates head. The more you think about it, the more laughably it becomes, from the likes of Waddle, Barnes & Beardsley, we have ended up a generation later with SWP & Theo Walcott; great athletes that cant play Football to save their lives, I could name 30 young British / English players that would cost over £10 Million quid in todays market that are utter utter cr ap. Phil Jones, Adam Johnson are genuinely great prospects, but the majority ? I find it utterly cringeworthy & laughable that players as obviously limited as this can "make it" lol Theo Walcott ??! lol do me a favour! I mean exactly what i said WIDE RIGHT where hes played his whole career How many assists has he had in his career from a wide right position ? Not trying to win & argument or prove a point, I just cant find the information on the internet & I thought it would be readily available. As for all this could have done this, could have done that, his return since he has been at QPR on £50 grand a week has been p!ss poor, no two ways about it. |
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Post by eusebio13 on Jan 2, 2012 23:56:01 GMT
I mean exactly what i said WIDE RIGHT where hes played his whole career How many assists has he had in his career from a wide right position ? Not trying to win & argument or prove a point, I just cant find the information on the internet & I thought it would be readily available. As for all this could have done this, could have done that, his return since he has been at QPR on £50 grand a week has been p!ss poor, no two ways about it. What about today klr? |
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Post by klr on Jan 3, 2012 0:02:25 GMT
How many assists has he had in his career from a wide right position ? Not trying to win & argument or prove a point, I just cant find the information on the internet & I thought it would be readily available. As for all this could have done this, could have done that, his return since he has been at QPR on £50 grand a week has been p!ss poor, no two ways about it. What about today klr? We lost the match. |
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Post by ozhoop on Jan 3, 2012 7:10:43 GMT
Yeah he looked good today .Funny that him looking good in his rightful position.  Mackie not being on the pitch looking over to the bench whinging that he wants a go on the right probably helped |
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jan 3, 2012 11:22:21 GMT
Yes but that is not SWP's fault. That's down to the ref and Norwich's cheating players. |
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Post by klr on Jan 3, 2012 11:30:17 GMT
Yes but that is not SWP's fault. That's down to the ref and Norwich's cheating players. The point I am making Rory, is that one assist against Wolves, that he didnt mean, is not the greatest return for £50 Grand a week. As for running about enthusiastically & all this he could have had 2 assists nonsense, it just fits perfectly in to the wider narrative of how this players whole career has been one big blag, if people wanted to see any real progress in English Football, they would commission studies to find out how players as technically limited as SWP "made it" in English Football in the first place, because I tell you one thing, he would not have made it in Germany, Spain, Holland, etc etc etc. |
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Post by FloridaR on Jan 3, 2012 12:35:10 GMT
He's played for 2 Premier league winning sides. Played 10 seasons straight in the Premier. Lastly has earned 36 England Caps....Hardly one big Blag ?
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Post by klr on Jan 3, 2012 12:59:40 GMT
He's played for 2 Premier league winning sides. Played 10 seasons straight in the Premier. Lastly has earned 36 England Caps....Hardly one big Blag ? Yep, that's exactly the point I'm making, his whole career has been one complete blag, he has some how "made it" through the English "system" without being able to play football, he's one of many many others, strong & fast athletes that cant play football to save their lives, Jack Rodwell, Theo Walcott, no wonder they laugh at us English. |
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Post by kilburnhoop on Jan 3, 2012 13:13:37 GMT
He's played for 2 Premier league winning sides. Played 10 seasons straight in the Premier. Lastly has earned 36 England Caps....Hardly one big Blag ? Yep, that's exactly the point I'm making, his whole career has been one complete blag, he has some how "made it" through the English "system" without being able to play football, he's one of many many others, strong & fast athletes that cant play football to save their lives, Jack Rodwell, Theo Walcott, no wonder they laugh at us English. Id have walcott and rodwell in our team any time, or maybe you prefer mackie and derry? Dont know what you have against SWP but his work rate, tracking and covering are first rate, watch him next time he plays. By the way you cant blag your way through english football. |
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Post by FloridaR on Jan 3, 2012 13:21:27 GMT
I think your focus on SWP is because you don't like the look of him.
Fact is SWP has 7 more seasons experience than Neil Warnock has playing at a higher level, thats more than Neil Warnock has ever coached or tactically pitted his wits against.
On top of that - SWP is the most experienced player at QPR and for the past few years...judging him being played out of position and over 15 or so games is very short sighted imo....he will flourish under a better manager.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jan 3, 2012 13:34:00 GMT
I've gotta agree with KLR. Headless chicken. Promises a lot but doesn't deliver
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Post by klr on Jan 3, 2012 13:38:03 GMT
Yep, that's exactly the point I'm making, his whole career has been one complete blag, he has some how "made it" through the English "system" without being able to play football, he's one of many many others, strong & fast athletes that cant play football to save their lives, Jack Rodwell, Theo Walcott, no wonder they laugh at us English. Id have walcott and rodwell in our team any time, or maybe you prefer mackie and derry? Dont know what you have against SWP but his work rate, tracking and covering are first rate, watch him next time he plays. By the way you cant blag your way through english football. cant blag your way through English Football ? We have produced a generation ( barring Adam Johnson ) of wingers that cannot cross, that is their job on a football pitch, we have produced a generation of wingers that cannot do their job! his work rate, tracking and covering are first rate. What is his assist rate like ? That is his job on the football pitch after all, to provide the ammunition for our strikers to profit from, he fails in this role & has failed in this role for his entire career, nothing personal against the bloke, just a massive, endemic & systematic failure of the coaching of young footballers in this country. Theo Walcott is a fantastic athlete & an awful football player, he has no football brain whatsoever. |
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Post by harlowranger on Jan 3, 2012 13:44:14 GMT
NW doesnt know how to get the most out of him ?
Look brilliant in that position yesterday !
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Post by klr on Jan 3, 2012 13:45:12 GMT
I'll hang my hat on the SWP thing as well.
If, IF ( & I dont think we will ) we get relegated, will people still say, yeah, he worked hard & was good at tracking back ( running around at speed in an aimless fashion ) ?
Will people say we got value for money on our £50 grand a week, one assist that he didnt mean ?
I dont have any personal feelings towards him whatsoever, not that its important, but he does seem like a relatively nice guy, my point ultimately is that we are paying £50 grand a week for a player that has little or no technical ability.
There is something seriously wrong there.
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