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Post by FloridaR on Jan 3, 2012 13:54:03 GMT
The wrongs the manager managing SWP. Funny how 3 months ago Fabio Capello was in SA Rd monitoring SWP ... now ?
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Post by kilburnhoop on Jan 3, 2012 18:09:09 GMT
I'll hang my hat on the SWP thing as well. If, IF ( & I dont think we will ) we get relegated, will people still say, yeah, he worked hard & was good at tracking back ( running around at speed in an aimless fashion ) ? Will people say we got value for money on our £50 grand a week, one assist that he didnt mean ? I dont have any personal feelings towards him whatsoever, not that its important, but he does seem like a relatively nice guy, my point ultimately is that we are paying £50 grand a week for a player that has little or no technical ability. There is something seriously wrong there. The wages come with the prem league. You think we will stay up (so do i) but to acheive this we need to attract top players = high wages. You keep going on about assists, a new term used by the modern footie fan. If kenny crashes the ball 90 yards up the pitch and we score does he get an assist? means nothing, what you are right about is he doesnt score enough. |
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Post by mikehunt on Jan 3, 2012 19:18:25 GMT
a wingers job is to cross the ball for the forward to score, hence the assist shouts, if he aint doing that and aint scoring, what exactly is he doing? oh and paddy has got an assist, the swansea game pass to mackie.  |
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Post by klr on Jan 3, 2012 20:42:44 GMT
a wingers job is to cross the ball for the forward to score, hence the assist shouts, if he aint doing that and aint scoring, what exactly is he doing? oh and paddy has got an assist, the swansea game pass to mackie. Exactly. An attacking player's job is to either score a goal or to provide an "assist" IE a cross to a team mate that results in a goal. If an attacking player cant fulfill either on these roles then what are they doing on the pitch in the first place ? Not bad work for £50 grand a week if you can get it. |
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Post by kilburnhoop on Jan 4, 2012 14:21:56 GMT
Suppose we should sign rory delap then, hes got loads of assists. Thats the point i was making about assists.
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Post by klr on Jan 4, 2012 14:39:37 GMT
Suppose we should sign rory delap then, hes got loads of assists. Thats the point i was making about assists. Where are Stoke in the table ? Nothing wrong with "Industrial" Football if it has an end product, it certainly beats a lot of running around like a headless chicken, providing assists ( to the opposition ) & then getting relegated at the end of it all. Anyway, I feel I've made my point which isnt just about SWP, I struggle & will continue to struggle to see the point of a generation of wingers that cannot cross, its so bad you couldnt make it up. Only in English Football. |
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Post by klr on Jan 4, 2012 14:44:00 GMT
That's the last word from me on SWP, I've slaughtered him, but on £50 grand a week he deserves to be slaughtered & I doubt if he is sitting up at night in bed worrying about what I have said about him.
I think sympathy tends to run rather thin especially in this day & age when times are clearly not good, when you see someone on £50 grand a week with as many assists for the opposition as he does for his own team.
That's it from me on SWP, hope he improves!
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Post by klr on Jan 4, 2012 14:44:17 GMT
Hope he improves & shuts me up!
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Post by hitman34 on Jan 4, 2012 14:50:27 GMT
how do you expect him to cross the baaall when he is on the left wing and he is right footed.
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Post by klr on Jan 4, 2012 14:56:33 GMT
Well, he cant cross a football anyway, so whether you put him on the left wing or the right wing is irrelevant, we might as well give him a go in goal.
I hope he shuts me up, I really do, but after he played well for us, what 3 or 4 times after signing, I'm sorry, but £50 grand a week for one assist that he didnt even mean, I cant swallow that.
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Post by mikehunt on Jan 4, 2012 15:00:24 GMT
is he injured or has stevie warnock seen something we can all see for once, and realised hes actually just shite?
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Post by Jon Doeman on Jan 4, 2012 15:22:30 GMT
is he injured or has stevie warnock seen something we can all see for once, and realised hes actually just shite? He's got a knee injury. Agree he's been a big disappointment so far. |
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Post by ozhoop on Jan 4, 2012 19:59:09 GMT
Hope he improves & shuts me up! I very much doubt that you would shut up.He came on for the second half last match.And he played (now this is very important ) on the RIGHT.Because he is a RIGHT sided player. He played really well .Scared them down the right and put in a few good crosses. Not a flicker of recocnition from you.Infact when some one asked you what about his performance in that game you answered 'We lost the match' |
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Post by klr on Jan 4, 2012 20:25:10 GMT
Hope he improves & shuts me up! I very much doubt that you would shut up.He came on for the second half last match.And he played (now this is very important ) on the RIGHT.Because he is a RIGHT sided player. He played really well .Scared them down the right and put in a few good crosses. Not a flicker of recocnition from you.Infact when some one asked you what about his performance in that game you answered 'We lost the match' well the crosses obviously werent THAT good were they ? What you call a good cross is in my book called an assist; the winger puts the ball right on to Heidar Helgusson's head making it impossible for him not to score. not that tiny little bit behind Macheda, or just a bit too far in front of Taarabt where he had to stretch for it. £50 grand a week for one dodgy "assist" against Wolves that he didnt mean is not a good return for £50 grand a week. I'm not going to sit there & talk a load of bo llocks about how he works hard & tracks back & all this other nonsense, if an attacking player cannot score goals or provide assists that lead directly to goals, then he has no purpose being in the team in the first place, he cannot fulfill his role as an attacking player. I dont agree with any of this fifty grand a week nonsense, to see a QPR player on £50 grand a week that cant do his job, that is rubbing my nose in it, I would rather QPR not be involved in any nonsense like this, its not what QPR is about as a football club, £50 grand a week for someone that cant do their job ? I dont want any of that at QPR, its not what our club is about. I hope he shuts me up! |
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Post by superckat on Jan 4, 2012 23:04:44 GMT
I very much doubt that you would shut up.He came on for the second half last match.And he played (now this is very important ) on the RIGHT.Because he is a RIGHT sided player. He played really well .Scared them down the right and put in a few good crosses. Not a flicker of recocnition from you.Infact when some one asked you what about his performance in that game you answered 'We lost the match' well the crosses obviously werent THAT good were they ? What you call a good cross is in my book called an assist; the winger puts the ball right on to Heidar Helgusson's head making it impossible for him not to score. not that tiny little bit behind Macheda, or just a bit too far in front of Taarabt where he had to stretch for it. £50 grand a week for one dodgy "assist" against Wolves that he didnt mean is not a good return for £50 grand a week. [glow=red,2,300][/glow] I'm not going to sit there & talk a load of bo llocks about how he works hard & tracks back & all this other nonsense, if an attacking player cannot score goals or provide assists that lead directly to goals, then he has no purpose being in the team in the first place, he cannot fulfill his role as an attacking player. I dont agree with any of this fifty grand a week nonsense, to see a QPR player on £50 grand a week that cant do his job, that is rubbing my nose in it, I would rather QPR not be involved in any nonsense like this, its not what QPR is about as a football club, £50 grand a week for someone that cant do their job ? I dont want any of that at QPR, its not what our club is about. I hope he shuts me up! You've definitely missed the boat on that one. |
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Post by ozhoop on Jan 5, 2012 3:32:56 GMT
I very much doubt that you would shut up.He came on for the second half last match.And he played (now this is very important ) on the RIGHT.Because he is a RIGHT sided player. He played really well .Scared them down the right and put in a few good crosses. Not a flicker of recocnition from you.Infact when some one asked you what about his performance in that game you answered 'We lost the match' well the crosses obviously werent THAT good were they ? What you call a good cross is in my book called an assist; the winger puts the ball right on to Heidar Helgusson's head making it impossible for him not to score. not that tiny little bit behind Macheda, or just a bit too far in front of Taarabt where he had to stretch for it. £50 grand a week for one dodgy "assist" against Wolves that he didnt mean is not a good return for £50 grand a week. I'm not going to sit there & talk a load of bo llocks about how he works hard & tracks back & all this other nonsense, if an attacking player cannot score goals or provide assists that lead directly to goals, then he has no purpose being in the team in the first place, he cannot fulfill his role as an attacking player. I dont agree with any of this fifty grand a week nonsense, to see a QPR player on £50 grand a week that cant do his job, that is rubbing my nose in it, I would rather QPR not be involved in any nonsense like this, its not what QPR is about as a football club, £50 grand a week for someone that cant do their job ? I dont want any of that at QPR, its not what our club is about. I hope he shuts me up! I really cringe at that word 'assist'.Like kilburn said its a modern term brought in for 'FANTASY FOOTBALL' leagues. In these 'FANTASY FOOTBALL leagues an assist is given to the last man who touches the ball before the scorer touches it. It could be a rebound , shot off the woodwork ,shot saved by keeper or indeed a cross. You say 'What you call a good cross is in my book called an assist; the winger puts the ball right on to Heidar Helgusson's head making it impossible for him not to score. not that tiny little bit behind Macheda, or just a bit too far in front of Taarabt where he had to stretch for it.' They were both good balls.Macheda couldve anticipated it better as could Adel. In my book a good cross is a ball placed into an area where the attacker can attack it and make an attempt at goal.What I'm saying HH will not get the ball placed on his head .He will move towards the ball and jump and head it towards the goal. So your saying that Adel's cross to DJ the other week was a no mark or poor cross because it wasnt converted? I recon that cross was sublime , perfect infact. Remember Mackie's goal v Sunderland .Are you discounting the cross from Faurlin because he didnt get an assist.HH got the assist because he headed it (last man to touch ball) goalward and Mackie headed it in.Faurlins cross was vital in the goal but in any 'assist' records it wont be there . Drop the obsession with 'ASSISTS' mate it doesnt tell the whole story |
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Post by ozhoop on Jan 5, 2012 3:54:17 GMT
I refuse to jump on the bash SWP bandwagon untill he is played in his rightfull position. Not for 20 mins ,or 45 mins .Give him a couple of matches(full 90 mins) on the right.
Quick question :How do you think Young and Traore would perform if NW made them switch sides?
It really is that simple..
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Post by alfaranger on Jan 5, 2012 4:53:11 GMT
well the crosses obviously werent THAT good were they ? What you call a good cross is in my book called an assist; the winger puts the ball right on to Heidar Helgusson's head making it impossible for him not to score. not that tiny little bit behind Macheda, or just a bit too far in front of Taarabt where he had to stretch for it. £50 grand a week for one dodgy "assist" against Wolves that he didnt mean is not a good return for £50 grand a week. I'm not going to sit there & talk a load of bo llocks about how he works hard & tracks back & all this other nonsense, if an attacking player cannot score goals or provide assists that lead directly to goals, then he has no purpose being in the team in the first place, he cannot fulfill his role as an attacking player. I dont agree with any of this fifty grand a week nonsense, to see a QPR player on £50 grand a week that cant do his job, that is rubbing my nose in it, I would rather QPR not be involved in any nonsense like this, its not what QPR is about as a football club, £50 grand a week for someone that cant do their job ? I dont want any of that at QPR, its not what our club is about. I hope he shuts me up! I really cringe at that word 'assist'.Like kilburn said its a modern term brought in for 'FANTASY FOOTBALL' leagues. In these 'FANTASY FOOTBALL leagues an assist is given to the last man who touches the ball before the scorer touches it. It could be a rebound , shot off the woodwork ,shot saved by keeper or indeed a cross. You say 'What you call a good cross is in my book called an assist; the winger puts the ball right on to Heidar Helgusson's head making it impossible for him not to score. not that tiny little bit behind Macheda, or just a bit too far in front of Taarabt where he had to stretch for it.' They were both good balls.Macheda couldve anticipated it better as could Adel. In my book a good cross is a ball placed into an area where the attacker can attack it and make an attempt at goal.What I'm saying HH will not get the ball placed on his head .He will move towards the ball and jump and head it towards the goal. So your saying that Adel's cross to DJ the other week was a no mark or poor cross because it wasnt converted? I recon that cross was sublime , perfect infact. Remember Mackie's goal v Sunderland .Are you discounting the cross from Faurlin because he didnt get an assist.HH got the assist because he headed it (last man to touch ball) goalward and Mackie headed it in.Faurlins cross was vital in the goal but in any 'assist' records it wont be there . Drop the obsession with 'ASSISTS' mate it doesnt tell the whole story Well thought out piece Oz. |
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jan 5, 2012 7:04:18 GMT
I refuse to jump on the bash SWP bandwagon untill he is played in his rightfull position. Not for 20 mins ,or 45 mins .Give him a couple of matches(full 90 mins) on the right. Quick question :How do you think Young and Traore would perform if NW made them switch sides? It really is that simple.. I'm with you on this one ozhoop. Also we've already seen what happened when Young was played out of position, we lost 6-0 to Foolham. |
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Post by eusebio13 on Jan 5, 2012 7:16:05 GMT
well the crosses obviously werent THAT good were they ? What you call a good cross is in my book called an assist; the winger puts the ball right on to Heidar Helgusson's head making it impossible for him not to score. not that tiny little bit behind Macheda, or just a bit too far in front of Taarabt where he had to stretch for it. £50 grand a week for one dodgy "assist" against Wolves that he didnt mean is not a good return for £50 grand a week. I'm not going to sit there & talk a load of bo llocks about how he works hard & tracks back & all this other nonsense, if an attacking player cannot score goals or provide assists that lead directly to goals, then he has no purpose being in the team in the first place, he cannot fulfill his role as an attacking player. I dont agree with any of this fifty grand a week nonsense, to see a QPR player on £50 grand a week that cant do his job, that is rubbing my nose in it, I would rather QPR not be involved in any nonsense like this, its not what QPR is about as a football club, £50 grand a week for someone that cant do their job ? I dont want any of that at QPR, its not what our club is about. I hope he shuts me up! I really cringe at that word 'assist'.Like kilburn said its a modern term brought in for 'FANTASY FOOTBALL' leagues. In these 'FANTASY FOOTBALL leagues an assist is given to the last man who touches the ball before the scorer touches it. It could be a rebound , shot off the woodwork ,shot saved by keeper or indeed a cross. You say 'What you call a good cross is in my book called an assist; the winger puts the ball right on to Heidar Helgusson's head making it impossible for him not to score. not that tiny little bit behind Macheda, or just a bit too far in front of Taarabt where he had to stretch for it.' They were both good balls.Macheda couldve anticipated it better as could Adel. In my book a good cross is a ball placed into an area where the attacker can attack it and make an attempt at goal.What I'm saying HH will not get the ball placed on his head .He will move towards the ball and jump and head it towards the goal. So your saying that Adel's cross to DJ the other week was a no mark or poor cross because it wasnt converted? I recon that cross was sublime , perfect infact. Remember Mackie's goal v Sunderland .Are you discounting the cross from Faurlin because he didnt get an assist.HH got the assist because he headed it (last man to touch ball) goalward and Mackie headed it in.Faurlins cross was vital in the goal but in any 'assist' records it wont be there . Drop the obsession with 'ASSISTS' mate it doesnt tell the whole story  |
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Post by nomar on Jan 5, 2012 7:30:35 GMT
well the crosses obviously werent THAT good were they ? What you call a good cross is in my book called an assist; the winger puts the ball right on to Heidar Helgusson's head making it impossible for him not to score. not that tiny little bit behind Macheda, or just a bit too far in front of Taarabt where he had to stretch for it. £50 grand a week for one dodgy "assist" against Wolves that he didnt mean is not a good return for £50 grand a week. I'm not going to sit there & talk a load of bo llocks about how he works hard & tracks back & all this other nonsense, if an attacking player cannot score goals or provide assists that lead directly to goals, then he has no purpose being in the team in the first place, he cannot fulfill his role as an attacking player. I dont agree with any of this fifty grand a week nonsense, to see a QPR player on £50 grand a week that cant do his job, that is rubbing my nose in it, I would rather QPR not be involved in any nonsense like this, its not what QPR is about as a football club, £50 grand a week for someone that cant do their job ? I dont want any of that at QPR, its not what our club is about. I hope he shuts me up! I really cringe at that word 'assist'.Like kilburn said its a modern term brought in for 'FANTASY FOOTBALL' leagues. In these 'FANTASY FOOTBALL leagues an assist is given to the last man who touches the ball before the scorer touches it. It could be a rebound , shot off the woodwork ,shot saved by keeper or indeed a cross. You say 'What you call a good cross is in my book called an assist; the winger puts the ball right on to Heidar Helgusson's head making it impossible for him not to score. not that tiny little bit behind Macheda, or just a bit too far in front of Taarabt where he had to stretch for it.' They were both good balls.Macheda couldve anticipated it better as could Adel. In my book a good cross is a ball placed into an area where the attacker can attack it and make an attempt at goal.What I'm saying HH will not get the ball placed on his head .He will move towards the ball and jump and head it towards the goal. So your saying that Adel's cross to DJ the other week was a no mark or poor cross because it wasnt converted? I recon that cross was sublime , perfect infact. Remember Mackie's goal v Sunderland .Are you discounting the cross from Faurlin because he didnt get an assist.HH got the assist because he headed it (last man to touch ball) goalward and Mackie headed it in.Faurlins cross was vital in the goal but in any 'assist' records it wont be there . Drop the obsession with 'ASSISTS' mate it doesnt tell the whole story Bottom line is that its a shame teams get nothing for style points or being almost good enough. Not in this league, or any other for that matter. If I walk into a store with £9 and the item I need costs £10 then I walk out of that store empty handed. My £9 was not good enough to get me what I wanted and needed. Its all well and good saying we nearly scored and we nearly did this and that. Well nearly is useless in this game. We either start scoring and setting up goals or we lose matches and go down. And if SWP is not part of the solution then what is he part of then.....? |
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jan 5, 2012 10:44:51 GMT
how do you expect him to cross the baaall when he is on the left wing and he is right footed. A certain Mr Dave Thomas used to do it all the time - run down the left, cut in and curl one in with the right foot. |
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Post by klr on Jan 5, 2012 12:09:34 GMT
Andy Sinton used to do something similar to that as well.
A professional winger should have the nous to somehow work a cross in to the box regardless of what wing they are on, IT'S THEIR JOB.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jan 5, 2012 12:56:21 GMT
Taarabt does it I suppose, he can cross the ball in accurately no matter which wing he's on and he can do it with the outside of his foot.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jan 5, 2012 13:45:38 GMT
Daniel Cortes and Leo Bertos do the same thing down here, swapping wings during a game and crossing with the "wrong" foot to great effect.
Frankly, the headless chicken has not been worth 50 per week but like my rant on Barton. 10k per week on current performances.
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Post by klr on Jan 5, 2012 16:22:52 GMT
Taarabt does it I suppose, he can cross the ball in accurately no matter which wing he's on and he can do it with the outside of his foot. As much as it has taken me a long time to say it, TAARABT IS A CLASS ACT. That ASSIST he provided for DJ Campbell against Manchester United was on a plate, he did his job, I bet if you asked DJ Campbell, he would hold his hands up & admit he is / was embarrassed he didnt put a cross as nice as that away, perfect delivery, Taarabt did his part of the bargain, that was a perfect assist, he laid it on a plate for him. |
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Post by klr on Jan 5, 2012 16:52:49 GMT
This is an ASSIST......
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Post by klr on Jan 5, 2012 16:55:09 GMT
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Post by ozhoop on Jan 5, 2012 17:33:36 GMT
Taarabt does it I suppose, he can cross the ball in accurately no matter which wing he's on and he can do it with the outside of his foot. As much as it has taken me a long time to say it, TAARABT IS A CLASS ACT. That ASSIST he provided for DJ Campbell against Manchester United was on a plate, he did his job, I bet if you asked DJ Campbell, he would hold his hands up & admit he is / was embarrassed he didnt put a cross as nice as that away, perfect delivery, Taarabt did his part of the bargain, that was a perfect assist, he laid it on a plate for him. And there lies the confusion.Adel's brilliant cross to DJ is not an ASSIST.If DJ had converted it it would of been an ASSIST credited to Adel. As DJ somehow failed to convert it it is just a brilliant cross. Glad to see youve finally admitted Tarrabt is a class act. The brilliant cross you put up by Beckham is also an ASSIST because Ronaldo converted it. It was harldy placed on his head tho eh? He had to run and stretch a bit eh? You said ::'''What you call a good cross is in my book called an assist; the winger puts the ball right on to Heidar Helgusson's head making it impossible for him not to score. not that tiny little bit behind Macheda, or just a bit too far in front of Taarabt where he had to stretch for it.''' |
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Post by ozhoop on Jan 6, 2012 6:01:41 GMT
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