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Post by terryb on Aug 26, 2020 12:39:20 GMT
As it is our last pre season game I would expect it to be a reasonably strong side, so I would expect something like:-
Goalkeeper (no idea which one!)
Kakay, Masterson, Barbet, Manning - if we've signed a centre half before them, they will play Ball, Bettache Thomas, Chair, BOS Ramkilde
Amos, Kane & Smyth to definitely be brought on as subs
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Post by terryb on Aug 25, 2020 14:02:57 GMT
Seeing that derby have got away with selling their stadium to themself why can't our owners look at doing the same, just a thought. What would be the point? We're not in any FFP trouble so there is no need to inflate income. I also think they are trying to keep their expebditure as low as they can.
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Post by terryb on Aug 24, 2020 9:16:07 GMT
As you well know I completely agree with you Terry. The £42m settlement included writing off £22m of debt. In other words converting a debt that was never going to be repaid into equally worthless shares. The fine was "only" £17m, with a further £3m covering the EFL's costs. Had we been subjected to a points deduction that season we'd have been relegated based on the current guidance. Echoing the above but yeah, much as I hated the outcome I always thought we were absolutely bang to rights on FFP. Rules were public, we knew what we were doing, the indications of where we would end up were there, but we ploughed on. I think the understandable annoyance comes from two things, though. Firstly, people tally FFP breaches up against general financial shiteeehousery - both the domain of the EFL but very different things. People see what Wednesday have done, or how Derby or Brum or Villa etc seem to behave without decisive (arguably!) punishment and think, we were nobbled, why not them? Again, different rules and different offences, but it can still feel annoying. And secondly cos of how we actively leaned into a more sustainable model off the back of it. Having seen the consequences of breaching, we've made root n branch changes to the finances, slashing the wage bill etc. (won't repeat, we all know this part) and as a consequence, have had to dramatically reset our expectations and behaviour. So while I think long term, we are going to end up in a good place while other clubs eventually reap what they've sewn, it can be frustrating watching the likes of Forest add to their absurd amount of players, Derby shelling out dumb money on Rooney etc. I think fans think, we're doing all this painful work to behave but no-one else does. Different income, club size and all that - it can be a bit apples n oranges. But I get why it irks. I understand & agree with most, if not all, of that bow. I certainly want clubs to be punished rather than allow them to circumvent the rules. In particular, i get very annioyed with Derby! The valuation they placed on Pride Park is amazing, especially ss I understand that most of the retail park is vacant. However, if they are correct that the EFL were consulted throughout the process, including the valuation, & gave no reason to think the rules were being transgressed, I struggle to see how they can be charged. What really irks me with Derby is the Rooney situation. If they were paying him the full amount of his wages & they kept within FFP, then full marks to them, but for their sponsors to be picking up the bill grates. I'm yet to understand how this is not third party ownership at the least. What is worse is the perception from the media about how great Derby are for signing Rooney & spending millions on loan players. And how the club & supporters brag about the situation! I'm sure that in the long run they will suffer as their accountants can't keep up this lwevel of creativity indefinitely! Taking out a loan to repay a loan looks like the start of their slide IMO. I also don't understand how Forest keep scrapping tghrough FFP & can only come to the conclusion that their financial people are smarter than those we employed! Villa is different, as they openly decided to break FFP to reach the promised land (as Wolves did). It would have been very interesting if they had been relegated to see what punishment they would have received. I now expect them to stay in the Premier for a while & negoiate a settlement with the EFL that won't come close to reflecting the level of their offence. I should add that I think that in the eyes of the EFL, Queens Park Rangers have moved from public enemy number one to the blue eyed boys! Our club has shown the rest of football how they should operate & the change round has been phenomenal.
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Post by terryb on Aug 23, 2020 14:38:31 GMT
Can I ask as I can't actually remember a case . Has any club actually lost an appeal ? The whole thing with FFP is the EFL fine or deduct points or both a club appeals and this is then reduced. I'm thinking QPR Leicester Birmingham off the top of my head. It just seems go into administration points deduction set in stone FFP you appeal and get the points or fine reduced. We appealed and got sweet FA... Our ludicrous and punitive fine was completely OTT - no other club has come anywhere near that level of punishment since. The whole FFP thing is a ******* (feel free to fill in your own adjective/expletive here) joke. "Our ludicrous and punitive fine was completely OTT - no other club has come anywhere near that level of punishment since." No other club has come close to matching the overspend that Queens Park Rangers did for the season 2013/14. We had a loss of more than £60 million knowing that the regulations specified that you would be fined £1 million for every million that you lost if the loss was greater than £8 million & you were promoted. Our board knew exactly what their punishment would be & still chose to operate in that manner. Ending up with a fine of circa £40 million rather than the £60 million was a result for our owners. I would agree though that fining £ for £ of the loss was excessive & was a major reason why the regulations were changed. I do find it amusing that the majority of Rangers supporters feel we have been treated the worst, while supporters of other clubs feel we have been treated the most leniently. A fine as opposed to a points deduction or transfer embargo? I would choose the fine every time!
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Post by terryb on Aug 23, 2020 9:35:32 GMT
Can I ask as I can't actually remember a case . Has any club actually lost an appeal ? The whole thing with FFP is the EFL fine or deduct points or both a club appeals and this is then reduced. I'm thinking QPR Leicester Birmingham off the top of my head. It just seems go into administration points deduction set in stone FFP you appeal and get the points or fine reduced. I'm ready to be corrected but in the "early" days2 of FFP, I don't think that point deductions were a possibility & that fines could only be issued if you were promoted to The Premier. I think it was the change of regulations, following Rangers, Leicester & Bournemouth being promoted while breaking the rules, that fines & deductions arrived on the scene. If Rangers hadn't been promoted in 2014 I think we would have just faced a transfer embargo that would run until we complied with the regulations. Many clubs had this imposed (Blackburn, Bolton & Forest for definite), but wehether they appealed & lost or accepted their punishment, I don't know. In our case, it would have been many a season before we could come out of an embargo & we possibly/probabluy would have been relegated as were Blackburn & Bolton.
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Post by terryb on Aug 22, 2020 12:51:32 GMT
Chair wearing no 10 and no Eze in the squad No Lumley or Kelly in squad 2+2+2+2 = 20 million If Eze is going to play every minute of the league games again, we don't want to exhaust him out pre-season!
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Post by terryb on Aug 21, 2020 15:26:46 GMT
I can't for the life of me conceive of any club that would be interested in Wilshere!
Francis could be a very good signing for a club. However, he will be put to the test as to whether he still wants to play football or not. Will he be willing to take a massive wage deduction & drop to £10k per week? If not, there are very few clubs he could join.
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Post by terryb on Aug 19, 2020 15:08:59 GMT
I have terrible form on who I think good signings are, but I like this one. Bit odd, loves to battle CBs, confident, good age, likes holding the ball up and poaching. Time will tell bow, but it feels right to me!
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Post by terryb on Aug 19, 2020 15:08:06 GMT
Welcome Lyndon.
I look forward to seeing you & wish you the best of luck.
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Post by terryb on Aug 18, 2020 14:25:55 GMT
I was getting concerned about the silence on the Dykes move but just realised that as an Australian it requires international clearance so I doubt we will get confirmation (if it happens) until late this week at the earliest. Still cannot understand why Goode is not announced yet if he is training with us. International clearance isn't required because he is Australian, but because he would be joining from a club outside of England. It used to apply to players leaving Cardiff, Swansea etc. until they became members of the FA instead the the FA of Wales. Coming from Scotland, this should be a formality. What he will also need is a work permit. That may take a little longer & could explain the delay. Others will know if this is transferable or whether it needs reewing with a change of employer.
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Post by terryb on Aug 11, 2020 18:36:40 GMT
I've not read it yet, but I've just been informed that the EFL jhave won their appeal as to the Macclesfield point deductiom.
Stevenage are now back in thr EFL!
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Post by terryb on Aug 10, 2020 8:34:41 GMT
It may be total b******s, but I have read that Amos has been part of a group of our players that have been on holiday together - Amos, BOS, Chair, Eze, Manning & Shodipo.
This, of coutse, would be no different to a group of friends or work mates going together, but it might indicate a togetherness that I would sugest is rare in professional foorball.
I'm sure friendship would have no bearing on whether a player is to leave the club, but it might slightly raise the bar on what a player would require from a purchasing club.
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Post by terryb on Aug 8, 2020 15:17:00 GMT
Again the EFL scanning the lower leagues for victims. Justifies their existence. Now when Man City were up on charges of spending too much money case dismissed. The golden boys of the Prem can do no wrong. That was UEFA. Nothing to do with the Premier or the EFL. I think one of the main poblems with the City case was that it was a spent "crime" & therefore they couldn't be banned from the competition.
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Post by terryb on Aug 5, 2020 12:26:19 GMT
Much as I support Charlton's action, time just isn't on their side. With the start of the season being only a few weeks away and fixture lists having to be hastily drawn up (largely based on geographic location and potential local clashes) I think they have zero chance of playing the the Championship in September. The very best they could hope for is financial compensation, but that too would seem extremely unlikely. I would agree with that ashdown, but it wouldn't be Charlton's fault if they were to take court action & the EFL had to postpone the start of The Championship & Division One. That might make the EFL realise that they would have to take quicker action in the future!
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Post by terryb on Aug 4, 2020 17:41:42 GMT
As expected, Wigan have lost their appeal against a twelve point deduction & have been relegated.
I hope that the administrators find a buyer for the club soon & that they agree a figure of 25p in the pound (or more) to pay the creditors, to avoid having a fifteen point deduction for next season.
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Post by terryb on Aug 3, 2020 12:28:38 GMT
I wouldn't dfisagree too much with you ricky. However, more & more reams are playing with a back three & wing backs. This is where Manning has better prospects than most full backs or wide midfield players. I would still say that his list of suitorscould be limited. I do think he will be with a Premier club next season & I would expect him to gain a reasonable amount of playing time, which is not something I expected for Freeman or even Smithies! Glad you agreed with me Terry, but I haven't posted for a few days, so I don't think it was me who you agree with. But glad to be in agreement anyway. Obviously I was getting ahead of myself ricky & I was supporting your next post! It was 57 i was agreeing with this time!
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Post by terryb on Aug 3, 2020 8:51:51 GMT
Terry, don't forget Oldham had one too. I had forgotten that lonegunmen. Perhaps it was their fault!
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Post by terryb on Aug 2, 2020 17:07:12 GMT
They now have approx six weeks to change the pitch from artificial to grass!
Or should that be turf?
I was asked by a friend if the EFL & Premier banned plastic pitches because of Queens Park Rangers. I replied that would have been due to Luton & Preston being inferior to the carpet at Loftus Road!
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Post by terryb on Aug 2, 2020 16:39:09 GMT
I wouldn't dfisagree too much with you ricky.
However, more & more reams are playing with a back three & wing backs. This is where Manning has better prospects than most full backs or wide midfield players. I would still say that his list of suitorscould be limited.
I do think he will be with a Premier club next season & I would expect him to gain a reasonable amount of playing time, which is not something I expected for Freeman or even Smithies!
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Post by terryb on Aug 2, 2020 9:26:58 GMT
I think we can all see that he has left with his dignity intact.
I've thought for a while now that he would leave at the end of the season irresperctive of which division they are in, but it is a sad day for football.
As 57 said, take time out of the game & with your family please Eddie.
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Post by terryb on Aug 1, 2020 11:16:53 GMT
The Times has published an article that states that the company that bought Hillsborough(Owned by the Wednesday owner)in the accounts ending July 2018, were not incorporated until ten months later!
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Post by terryb on Jul 31, 2020 19:28:01 GMT
The Newcastle takeover is off london.
The Premier League did prevaricate & not give approval to the takeover, but this was based on commercial grounds. Basically, the "new owners" would ahve been the Saudi Royal Family (from what i can gather) & they do not permit PL broadcasts by the contracted broadcasters & illegally show them through their own company. It this 21st century piracy?
What annoys me is that the takeover was opposed on commercial grounds rather than on human rights issues!
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Post by terryb on Jul 31, 2020 19:13:08 GMT
This will be interesting. How can it stay out of the courts?
1) Will Charlton take legal action as a point deduction this season for Wednesday would have saved them from relegation. Mind you, will Charlton retain their EFL licence as the "new owners" had not supplied proof of funds?
2) If Wigan are not deducted points, Barnsley can take action on two counts. That would be that the non implementation of deductions from Wigan & Wednesday has relegasted them.
Are Barnsley being serious with the sugestion that they would take the EFL to court? If so, can the EFL restart in September whilst court action is outstanding?
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Post by terryb on Jul 31, 2020 8:20:57 GMT
Interesting about Manning not wanting to play for us, I don't recall reading that anywhere, but I guess if you are aware of the opportunity to progress to a bigger club we would all want to earn more and play at the highest level. He has certainly refused to sign a new improved contract. I would sugest that means he wants to leave. We either sell him now, or he leaves next summer for nowt.
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Post by terryb on Jul 30, 2020 12:53:09 GMT
REPORT: WEST HAM THINK THEY CAN GET DEAL WRAPPED UP FOR 24-YEAR-OLD VERY QUICKLY John Verrall West Ham United are looking to wrap up a deal for Ryan Manning from Queens Park Rangers very quickly, the Telegraph report. Manning could be the first of many players West Ham bring in from the Championship this summer, as Moyes seems to want to focus on signing domestic-based players. A Manning / Hugill straight swap would be ok - keep Eze out of any Hugill deal and get straight cash for him from the highest bidder. Still I do not believe Hugill would drop into our salary range but if he had the choice of that or nothing who knows. Anyway I expect other Championship clubs with more money to go for Hugill so probably all wasted effort just thinking about it. I think that would be wishfuk thinking 75! I would imagine that Hugill would fetch at least double any valustion for Manning. That wouldn't rule out using Manning as part payment, but I can't quite see Jordan dropping his wage to fit in with our pay structure.
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Post by terryb on Jul 29, 2020 12:40:30 GMT
He will need to make a lot more changes to his players than he needed to at Rangers!
They are closer to the Rotherham side he took over & he is yet to win one point in home matches.
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Post by terryb on Jul 28, 2020 17:54:03 GMT
EDIT.
Posted twice!
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Post by terryb on Jul 28, 2020 17:53:48 GMT
I'm pleased to see this.
It doesn't mean that they will sign an extension, but at least we are thinking positively towards the future.
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Post by terryb on Jul 28, 2020 11:52:23 GMT
These are no more than rumour's, but it might hopefully be pointing towatds the price the club have in mind.
1) Tottenham have offered £20 million plus player/s.
2) Palace have offered £28 million.
IF, and it's a big if, these offers are anywhere near to the truth, West Ham weould have to increase their valuation considerably from what social media has been quoting.
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Post by terryb on Jul 27, 2020 15:08:53 GMT
And aniother fine performance from the best referee that has ever breathed! Can you imagine the reaction of our supporters if we had to suffer him in a play off? Hopefully this means he is being considered for promotion!
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