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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Jul 30, 2020 11:43:25 GMT
Mixed feelings about Hall joining Boro or Swansea.
One part of me thinks he did OK with us and feel I should wish him all the best wherever he goes.
Another part feels let down that he wouldn't sign a new deal and has left us for nothing - especially having supported him through his long periods of injury. Maybe 'Judas' is too strong a word, but I do feel disappointed in him.
Praps a high-wage move and then being unavailable for at least 18 months with his gammy knee would be about right (or is that too bitter and twisted of me...)?
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Post by rickyqpr on Jul 30, 2020 12:02:10 GMT
QUEENS PARK RANGERS READYING OFFER FOR NOTTINGHAM FOREST ACEPublished 9 mins ago on 30/07/2020By George Harbey Queens Park Rangers are set to offer Ben Watson a two-year deal, with the Nottingham Forest midfielder’s future at the City Ground still up in the air. Watson was a hugely important player for Forest under Sabri Lamouchi this season, with the midfielder becoming an almost ever-present in the Frenchman’s first season in charge. The 35-year-old featured all but one of Forest’s 46 Championship fixtures, and produced a series of impressive performances in defensive midfield over the course of the season. Watson’s future at the City Ground remains uncertain, though, with the midfielder’s contract soon set to run out, with clubs believed to be circling. Charlton Athletic and QPR have previously been linked with Watson, and according to the Athletic, it is now the R’s who are said to be interested in offering the 35-year-old a two-year deal. Forest are yet to tie Watson down to fresh terms at the City Ground, and there is a chance that the London-born midfielder could look to return to the capital and finish his career closer to his family. The Verdict
It would be a major blow if Forest were to lose Watson this summer. He may be 35, but he was arguably their most important player last season and he was an excellent defensive linchpin for the side. At 35, a two-year deal is a bold move and Watson would surely accept it, even if it was on reduced terms, as it is much more secure than a one-year deal.
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Post by terryb on Jul 30, 2020 12:53:09 GMT
REPORT: WEST HAM THINK THEY CAN GET DEAL WRAPPED UP FOR 24-YEAR-OLD VERY QUICKLY John Verrall West Ham United are looking to wrap up a deal for Ryan Manning from Queens Park Rangers very quickly, the Telegraph report. Manning could be the first of many players West Ham bring in from the Championship this summer, as Moyes seems to want to focus on signing domestic-based players. A Manning / Hugill straight swap would be ok - keep Eze out of any Hugill deal and get straight cash for him from the highest bidder. Still I do not believe Hugill would drop into our salary range but if he had the choice of that or nothing who knows. Anyway I expect other Championship clubs with more money to go for Hugill so probably all wasted effort just thinking about it. I think that would be wishfuk thinking 75! I would imagine that Hugill would fetch at least double any valustion for Manning. That wouldn't rule out using Manning as part payment, but I can't quite see Jordan dropping his wage to fit in with our pay structure.
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Post by surreychad on Jul 30, 2020 15:07:35 GMT
Wishfuk A word accidentally created while talking to someone on msn. To mean you are wishing for something, but your mind is on something else
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Jul 30, 2020 17:23:32 GMT
The 72 is linking us (well, reporting other sources) with... Ben Watson (apparently we've made him a contract offer) ...and Izzy Brown (Chelsea youngster, on loan at Luton this season) - they're not clear on whether another loan or permanent move. --------- EDIT - apologies, Ricky's already posted about Ben Watson - must pay more attention
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Post by nomar on Jul 30, 2020 18:11:17 GMT
I want Charlie Goode.
We desperately need a solid CB who will actually organise the defence.
I think Hugill is surplus to requirements at West Ham and evidently the club feel they can offer him acceptable terms, so I wouldn’t put him out of the equation.
Hopefully, we can get one of Hugill or Moore to go upfront with Chair.
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Post by rangersman on Jul 30, 2020 18:20:44 GMT
We should keep Manning IMO, and Watson should be ignored. Go for Goode with a decent offer and stop mucking about. Also up the ante for Moore, he would be a good buy i think. As usual we have to offload the best players we have and start all over again, it really pees me off year after year of hopelessness.
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Post by rangersman on Jul 31, 2020 6:42:52 GMT
Oh in that case if Manning wants to go then yes fully agree. But being a selling club is hopelessness to me, we will never get anywhere. Each to their own opinion.
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Post by surreychad on Jul 31, 2020 8:03:07 GMT
Interesting about Manning not wanting to play for us, I don't recall reading that anywhere, but I guess if you are aware of the opportunity to progress to a bigger club we would all want to earn more and play at the highest level.
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Post by terryb on Jul 31, 2020 8:20:57 GMT
Interesting about Manning not wanting to play for us, I don't recall reading that anywhere, but I guess if you are aware of the opportunity to progress to a bigger club we would all want to earn more and play at the highest level. He has certainly refused to sign a new improved contract. I would sugest that means he wants to leave. We either sell him now, or he leaves next summer for nowt.
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Post by surreychad on Jul 31, 2020 10:42:07 GMT
Interesting about Manning not wanting to play for us, I don't recall reading that anywhere, but I guess if you are aware of the opportunity to progress to a bigger club we would all want to earn more and play at the highest level. We offered him an improved contract which after negotiations he turned down - prefers to get more money elsewhere. After he turned down the offer we exercised an option in his existing contract to extend by one year so that we retain his registration and can therefore demand a transfer fee. Given he has turned down the chance to stay with us there is no use imo in keeping a player who is unhappy with his salary, wants to move for more cash and is likely to be a disgruntled player until his contract runs down and he leaves for free. Far better to cash in on him now and avoid having a disgruntled player in the squad whose attitude could easily spread or or disrupt team spirit. Same goes for BOS. It seems Eze is in a slightly different situation and may be happy to spend another season with us but if a PL team come along with bid of 20 million or more the club have to take it and Eze will no doubt have to take the chance to step up and probably triple his salary at least in the process. That's FFP for you. I agree, take what we can get for manning, hopefully with a sell on clause
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Jul 31, 2020 12:43:17 GMT
Paper talk being reported on Sky say Palace are going to demand 70 million from anyone wanting to buy Wilfried Zaha. They'd be very lucky to get near that. If he was 24 or 25, maybe. But he's 28 in a little over 3 months time. After a 3 or 4 year contract, he'll have a very much reduced sell-on value. Apparently Man U will have a 25 percent sell-on fee due - maybe that's why Palace are holding out for so much. For what it's worth, Transfermarkt has Zaha's value us £39.6m, down from £49.5m a year ago. Of course a player is worth whatever someone will pay for them, but to me Transfermarkt's valuations seem closer to reality.
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Post by rickyqpr on Jul 31, 2020 12:44:06 GMT
Defender Grant Hall is reportedly set for a medical at Middlesbrough after leaving QPR as a free agent earlier this summer. After the arrival of Neil Warnock in June, Boro secured Championship survival and have confirmed that the 71-year-old coach will be in charge at the Riverside next season.
It appears Warnock is keen to strengthen the North East club’s defensive options and is hoping to do so through the free agent market.
According to The Telegraph’s Mike McGrath, Boro are closing in on the signing of Hall on a free transfer after he left the R’s at the end of his contract.
It is understood that the 28-year-old defender is set to undergo a medical with the Teessiders.
Hall spent five years with the west London club, having signed from Tottenham Hotspur in 2015, and made 130 appearances for the R’s during that period.
After seeing his opportunities reduced in the 2018/19 season, the centre-back re-established himself in the first team last season – making 30 Championship appearances and wearing the captain’s armband.
QPR confirmed after the defender’s exit that they had tabled a “very good offer” but that Hall had rejected as he saw his future elsewhere.
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Post by rickyqpr on Jul 31, 2020 15:23:54 GMT
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Post by bowranger on Aug 1, 2020 8:53:17 GMT
We offered him an improved contract which after negotiations he turned down - prefers to get more money elsewhere. After he turned down the offer we exercised an option in his existing contract to extend by one year so that we retain his registration and can therefore demand a transfer fee. Given he has turned down the chance to stay with us there is no use imo in keeping a player who is unhappy with his salary, wants to move for more cash and is likely to be a disgruntled player until his contract runs down and he leaves for free. Far better to cash in on him now and avoid having a disgruntled player in the squad whose attitude could easily spread or or disrupt team spirit. Same goes for BOS. It seems Eze is in a slightly different situation and may be happy to spend another season with us but if a PL team come along with bid of 20 million or more the club have to take it and Eze will no doubt have to take the chance to step up and probably triple his salary at least in the process. That's FFP for you. I agree, take what we can get for manning, hopefully with a sell on clause I know about us offering him a new contract but I don't know how improved it was or whether he's potentially disgruntled. To me there's a big grey area between "not wanting to sign an extension" and being unhappy, I'd imagine if he's got a year left and apparent interest from higher up the divisions he'd be encouraged by his agent to keep his options open. If you've got a chance to go to the Prem, why risk pricing yourself out of a big move if your contract is already secured for another year anyway? But I agree, if the right offer is there and they're keen, you've got to sell. Nature of our economic model I guess - you can't bill us as a place for young talent to come in and improve and grow if you then close the door on a move up. Plus side being that you hope when it comes to people like Goode, they can look at QPR and go "that's a club where they give players first team football, improve them and they go on to better things". Preaching to the choir and I don't like all the upheaval each summer either, but it's what any half-successful club on a budget in this league does.
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Post by bowranger on Aug 1, 2020 10:40:41 GMT
I know about us offering him a new contract but I don't know how improved it was or whether he's potentially disgruntled. To me there's a big grey area between "not wanting to sign an extension" and being unhappy, I'd imagine if he's got a year left and apparent interest from higher up the divisions he'd be encouraged by his agent to keep his options open. If you've got a chance to go to the Prem, why risk pricing yourself out of a big move if your contract is already secured for another year anyway? But I agree, if the right offer is there and they're keen, you've got to sell. Nature of our economic model I guess - you can't bill us as a place for young talent to come in and improve and grow if you then close the door on a move up. Plus side being that you hope when it comes to people like Goode, they can look at QPR and go "that's a club where they give players first team football, improve them and they go on to better things". Preaching to the choir and I don't like all the upheaval each summer either, but it's what any half-successful club on a budget in this league does. I seem to recall Warburton or Ferdinand saying they had made more than one improved offers to BOS and Manning that had been rejected obviously without giving the numbers. I think it was probably my post that brought up the 'disgruntled' aspect. I do not think that has been reported but a few of his end of season performances hinted at a lack of commitment and if a player feels he is being blocked from a better club and salary by us extending his contract on low terms it does not take long for that to turn to being less committed or eventually disgruntled. More a case of me arguing why it is not good to keep players who want to move on than anything personal about Manning. No harm preaching to the choir - the more we do it the more chance that the non believers will start to understand. Yeah, very fair. Just cos we aren't sure what's occurring in the player's head, it's a fair assumption based on what we've seen in the past that if a potential move is scuppered or they don't feel valued, heads can drop. I think/hope in our case that if our situation is being so openly communicated to us lot via Hoos etc, the players should know that wage and contract offers aren't personal, we've done right by a lot of these players and we're trying to balance the books. Though I suppose on Manning, you could throw in him being dumped on loan my McClaren after making progress under Ollie. A lot of players are (not even as a criticism, really) are selfish. They want more money and they want to play at as higher level as possible. Key for us is weaponising that, giving them the chance to shine and showing them that if they work hard and play well, they'll get big chances here to put themselves in the shop window. The more we end up securing bigger moves for the Mannings (LoI), Osayi-Samuels (League One) and Ezes (bombed out of Millwall youth) of this world, the more the next ones will hopefully see us as the place to be...in theory. We know the market we are shopping in, so we need to show ourselves as the best possible option for those kind of players. Not minimising the frustrations of it, though - for all I agree with it, not as if I'm not sad to see our best and brightest snapped up by others.
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Post by rickyqpr on Aug 1, 2020 11:40:52 GMT
Troy Parrott signed for Millwall - season long loan. Very good signing - we tried for him in January. Makes me think that Hugill may well be a possibility - how the finances could ever work though........
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Post by Lonegunmen on Aug 2, 2020 1:47:31 GMT
Interesting about Manning not wanting to play for us, I don't recall reading that anywhere, but I guess if you are aware of the opportunity to progress to a bigger club we would all want to earn more and play at the highest level. He has certainly refused to sign a new improved contract. I would sugest that means he wants to leave. We either sell him now, or he leaves next summer for nowt. I would suggest he is just hanging out for more dosh rather than wanting to leave.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Aug 2, 2020 1:54:48 GMT
If we want a striker - Patryk Klimala - Polish boy at Celtic
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Post by hitmanrangers on Aug 2, 2020 8:45:56 GMT
I think Cameron was paid out from last year of his contract by Stoke as we signed him on a free but he did have another year at Stoke, so that would have compensated for his lower wages he must surely be on with us. I'd be surprised if anyone is on more than £15k/week at our club now.
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Post by bowranger on Aug 2, 2020 9:59:19 GMT
He has certainly refused to sign a new improved contract. I would sugest that means he wants to leave. We either sell him now, or he leaves next summer for nowt. I would suggest he is just hanging out for more dosh rather than wanting to leave. This is close to my take, too. Not even necessarily more money from us, but at his age, with a year left already in the bank and genuine interest from the league above, why limit your options? I'd like him to stay but doesn't mean he wants out, just keeping his options open. If we want hungry young players who want to improve, the other side of that coin is that they should be ambitious and wanting to be play at the highest level possible.
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Post by terryb on Aug 2, 2020 16:39:09 GMT
I wouldn't dfisagree too much with you ricky.
However, more & more reams are playing with a back three & wing backs. This is where Manning has better prospects than most full backs or wide midfield players. I would still say that his list of suitorscould be limited.
I do think he will be with a Premier club next season & I would expect him to gain a reasonable amount of playing time, which is not something I expected for Freeman or even Smithies!
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Post by gladstoneparkranger on Aug 3, 2020 0:17:10 GMT
I wouldn't dfisagree too much with you ricky. However, more & more reams are playing with a back three & wing backs. This is where Manning has better prospects than most full backs or wide midfield players. I would still say that his list of suitorscould be limited. I do think he will be with a Premier club next season & I would expect him to gain a reasonable amount of playing time, which is not something I expected for Freeman or even Smithies! Ahhh smithies... could be challenging top 6 with him between sticks! We have two numbers twos but need number one
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Post by Marc on Aug 3, 2020 8:54:44 GMT
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Post by rickyqpr on Aug 3, 2020 10:27:08 GMT
I wouldn't dfisagree too much with you ricky. However, more & more reams are playing with a back three & wing backs. This is where Manning has better prospects than most full backs or wide midfield players. I would still say that his list of suitorscould be limited. I do think he will be with a Premier club next season & I would expect him to gain a reasonable amount of playing time, which is not something I expected for Freeman or even Smithies! Glad you agreed with me Terry, but I haven't posted for a few days, so I don't think it was me who you agree with. But glad to be in agreement anyway.
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Aug 3, 2020 12:23:20 GMT
Swedish press is claiming that we've offered free agent striker Muamer Tankovic a deal worth around £8,000 a week.
He played for Hammerby (8th out of 16 in Sweden's top division) and is a Swedish international. He's 25 years old and 5' 9" tall.
While he's also been linked with AEK Athens he's apparently not keen on a move to Greece.
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Post by terryb on Aug 3, 2020 12:28:38 GMT
I wouldn't dfisagree too much with you ricky. However, more & more reams are playing with a back three & wing backs. This is where Manning has better prospects than most full backs or wide midfield players. I would still say that his list of suitorscould be limited. I do think he will be with a Premier club next season & I would expect him to gain a reasonable amount of playing time, which is not something I expected for Freeman or even Smithies! Glad you agreed with me Terry, but I haven't posted for a few days, so I don't think it was me who you agree with. But glad to be in agreement anyway. Obviously I was getting ahead of myself ricky & I was supporting your next post! It was 57 i was agreeing with this time!
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Post by rickyqpr on Aug 3, 2020 17:08:50 GMT
West London Sport recently revealed that Palace were set to make Rangers an offer for Eze.
The offer was £12m plus add-ons and was immediately turned down, but Palace remain interested.
Eze has been linked with several clubs but, until West Ham recently indicated they were looking to agree to a deal to sign him, the only concrete interest had been from Palace.
However, several Premier League clubs have now made enquiries about Eze.
QPR will hope for a bidding war between clubs and to eventually net around £20m for him.
They would also like any deal with West Ham to include Jordan Hugill moving in part exchange.
Palace have also been considering matching Club Brugge’s offer for Bright Osayi-Samuel, but have so far not done so.
Osayi-Samuel has been mulling over a move to the Belgian outfit, who had a £4.7m bid for him accepted, having previously offered QPR £3m for him.
The winger has a year remaining on his contract and has rejected offers of an improved deal.
As for Eze, there is every expectation he will be playing in the top flight next season.
Rangers recently signed George Thomas and have made enquiries about a number of other attacking players, including Chelsea’s Izzy Brown and former Fulham man Muamer Tanković, who is currently a free agent.
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Post by rangerray on Aug 3, 2020 17:29:09 GMT
From HITC
Queens Park Rangers have missed out on the signing of free agent Stefan Schwab with the former Rapid Vienna captain sealing a move to Greek giants PAOK instead, as reported via the club’s official website.
In the space of just three days, QPR have seen two highly-rated midfielders slip through their grasp.
Patrick Erras joined Werder Bremen after holding talks over a move to Loftus Road, according to The Mail.
And Schwab is now on his way to Greece, despite interest from not just QPR but Bristol City and Blackburn Rovers too
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Post by Lonegunmen on Aug 4, 2020 2:22:14 GMT
First it was 20 million, then it was 16 Million, now it's 12 Million, chance of Les giving him away for 6 Million? I'd say they've just increased considerably.
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