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Post by bowranger on Aug 7, 2018 11:09:44 GMT
Seems Wheeler is a season long loan. I think Les is trying but I guess we are not very attractive just at the moment. Ipswich chase the same players as QPR, but they are the preferred option. Looking increasingly like it will be loans not purchases now I'm quite glad about Wheeler's deal just being a loan to be honest. I think there's a lot of good potential there and while he's coming back from a very serious injury and getting his form back and we've got a lot of midfield talent, I'd far, far rather have him out getting minutes at someone else's expense at a decent standard. If he comes back better and with more minutes under his belt (at a better standard than he got with Exeter) then more the better really. Likewise, if Luongo, Freeman, Scowan, Eze or whoever get snapped up next January or in the summer, he's waiting in the wings with a slot to fill. Part of that is biased by quite liking everything i've heard and read about him as a person, too. Clearly a smart bloke who likes to speak his mind and it's nice having people like that at the club. Edit: And while I'm spamming, if we are sorting some loans out and we end up getting another striker in and/or shift one of our own, I'd very much like to see Oteh either getting a place on the bench or being sent out on loan. Time at Wycombe did wonders for Eze's development and feel like a season/half a season in League 1 or 2 with real first team minutes could be great for him.
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Post by harr on Aug 7, 2018 11:35:01 GMT
In terms of 1st team now, is that five out one in ?
Perch released with Onouha, Robinson left, Smithies sold, Wheeler season loan.... any I’ve missed ? Getting lighter by the day with a Jan embargo.
Need some incomings Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeee,
2 days 4 hours ... then loans
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Post by rickyqpr on Aug 7, 2018 11:54:38 GMT
Plus Mackie and Dieng - 7 out N.B. we do not have a 3rd choice keeper at this time
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 12:13:48 GMT
Plus Mackie and Dieng - 7 out N.B. we do not have a 3rd choice keeper at this time Probably we have a recall option on Dieng - if not I also think clubs are allowed incoming emergency loans at anytime for goalkeepers.
Hopefully not needed anyway or maybe Washington could go in goal - he hardly ever picks the ball out of the back of the net so he should be great.
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Post by rickyqpr on Aug 7, 2018 12:42:18 GMT
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Post by harr on Aug 7, 2018 12:54:53 GMT
Oh yeah Forgot about Mackie, that’s 6 out , 1 I’m in terms of proper squad
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Post by Marc on Aug 7, 2018 12:59:45 GMT
Is this going to be the pattern. QPR want....oh wait, PSV!
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Post by egranger on Aug 7, 2018 12:59:48 GMT
Great news about Eze - I see the priority as signing a defender or two now as we didn’t lose any strikers in the summer and lost three first team defenders that have not been replaced. If we pick up injuries like we did last year I can see Rangers being in trouble from the start of this season and wonder how long the supporters will give Steve.
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Post by rangersman on Aug 7, 2018 13:54:06 GMT
I despair yet again, its becoming common place every season now. I see nothing but disappointment yet again with this club, after 50 years supporting it does not get any easier thats for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 13:57:34 GMT
Sadly, unless we can pick up someone experienced under the radar, without other clubs picking up on their availability we are going to struggle to get any good experienced signings.
Lets face it we reportedly are not offering any more than average salaries, we are not the most attractive club or squad around the Championship and potentially face a long hard season. Plus if we are talking about lifestyle, especially for players who are offered the chance to play in other parts of Europe, the UK, London and the Bush are not that attractive compared to many other places at the moment. Some players say they want the bright lights of London but I question if that is the sort of player we want if that is going to be the deciding factor in their move.
So when I see players having a choice between say PSV and QPR, I think I know which way they are going to jump. Most likely target for me at the moment is Hefele - if he wants to stay in the English game.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 14:08:55 GMT
I despair yet again, its becoming common place every season now. I see nothing but disappointment yet again with this club, after 50 years supporting it does not get any easier thats for sure. The first 50 years are the worst.
By the time you get to 60 years supporting you grow to accept that we are what we are and learn to stop being disappointed about things that we probably all would like to happen but realistically know are beyond our means and will not happen.
The club have been pretty open about where we are at the moment so personally I do not understand what people have been expecting or why they are disappointed. Sure a couple of decent signings would be nice and I'm sure that if they do not happen it will not be through a lack of trying. But as the song says - "you can't always get what you want"
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Post by bowranger on Aug 7, 2018 14:09:22 GMT
Sadly, unless we can pick up someone experienced under the radar, without other clubs picking up on their availability we are going to struggle to get any good experienced signings. Lets face it we reportedly are not offering any more than average salaries, we are not the most attractive club or squad around the Championship and potentially face a long hard season. Plus if we are talking about lifestyle, especially for players who are offered the chance to play in other parts of Europe, the UK, London and the Bush are not that attractive compared to many other places at the moment. Some players say they want the bright lights of London but I question if that is the sort of player we want if that is going to be the deciding factor in their move. So when I see players having a choice between say PSV and QPR, I think I know which way they are going to jump. Most likely target for me at the moment is Hefele - if he wants to stay in the English game. I wouldn't agree when it comes to comparing London with other places within the UK, or even Europe to be honest. I get where you're coming from but try telling that to other fans in less fashionable parts of the country - money and opportunities all being equal, a lot of players from abroad are still going to take a relatively known quantity in London over a Rotherham or Wigan or Bolton. Also the 'bright lights' argument doesn't have to be a negative. There's a load of positives for players from abroad to be incentivised by London. Transport links. Resources. Shopping. Culture. Restaurants. Entertainment. Multicultural setting and large ex-pat communities. All these things can be attractive and make settling down a lot easier for someone, doesn't mean they just want to go out on the piss. And saying that, if you're a bit of a wrong'un of a player who likes to party too much, you can find a way to do that pretty much anywhere. Salaries, playing opportunities and prospects are all more important factors of course and beyond us being a decent platform, particularly for younger players, we're less competitive than ever. Nonetheless, even a cash-strapped QPR dish out more than a fair few clubs at this level and I feel like being in London is one the smaller factors that is almost always a positive for us.
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Post by harr on Aug 7, 2018 14:10:48 GMT
PSV can do one......
Quick snap up the Hudds defender before PSV do.....
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Post by bowranger on Aug 7, 2018 14:20:17 GMT
I despair yet again, its becoming common place every season now. I see nothing but disappointment yet again with this club, after 50 years supporting it does not get any easier thats for sure. The first 50 years are the worst.
By the time you get to 60 years supporting you grow to accept that we are what we are and learn to stop being disappointed about things that we probably all would like to happen but realistically know are beyond our means and will not happen.
The club have been pretty open about where we are at the moment so personally I do not understand what people have been expecting or why they are disappointed. Sure a couple of decent signings would be nice and I'm sure that if they do not happen it will not be through a lack of trying. But as the song says - "you can't always get what you want"
That's an interesting take. I always find the profound disappoint from some people quite weird and maybe that's because of my age. I'm in my early 30s and most of my childhood was watching us in decline. We crashed out of the Premier League and I saw my idol Sir Les sold when I was a kid. My formative years and 'properly' getting to follow the club was us being in League One with the bucket collections. Teen memories of us getting absolutely dicked at Oxford United or shivering in the rain at Swindon in the roof-less terrace is what springs to mind as opposed to people who saw Stan or Rodney or Wegerle dazzling in the flesh - I've had to rely on Youtube for that! So when people talk about disappointment in terms of where we are now, it doesn't really hit me hard, though can understand why it would for other fans. QPR has always been a rollercoaster and I've never seen us boss it at the top level (I was too young to have properly formed memories of our good period in the 90s) so the current situation seems pretty bad but nothing I've not seen before. Frankly we've been bang average most of my life. Off the top of my head, I think I've seen 4 relegations and 3 promotions at this point with two of those being punctuated by teams constructed almost entirely of absolute wasters and dickheads. So even though the crap away form gets me down, FFP gets me down and all the rest, us fielding a team of kids and rough gems in the second tier of English football is really not the end of the world to me.
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 7, 2018 14:30:50 GMT
I tell you what really pisses me off.
It's not the fact that we are where we are per se.
It's the fact that idiotic decisions by the Board have largely contributed to taking us to where we are.
And that we had three "Bites of the Apple" re the Premier League
So that's what pisses me
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Post by sharky on Aug 7, 2018 14:43:50 GMT
For the record. From the Offie www.qpr.co.uk/news/club-news/ebere-eze-signs-three-year-deal/Ebere Eze signs three-year QPR dealPaul Morrissey @pjmorrissey77 EBERE Eze has signed a new contract with QPR which will keep him at the club until 2021. The 20-year-old has agreed a two-year extension to his existing deal. Eze, who was handed the No.10 shirt at the start of the season by new manager Steve McClaren, told http://www.qpr.co.uk: “I am delighted to have it all sorted so I can focus completely on playing football. This is the best place for me. “It’s a great feeling to know you have the trust of your manager, the fans and your team-mates. Everyone believes in me and it’s a real confidence boost. “This is the best place for me at this moment in time. I know that I can be free to play how I like to play. “If I keep my head down I have got a good opportunity to play here and that’s the main thing.” QPR boss McClaren added: “I am delighted for Ebere and for the club. “The club have done a fantastic job in recruiting him and getting him into the Under-23s where he has had a great education from all the coaches. “This contract is a deserved reward for all his hard work and the hard work of the club. “He still has a lot to work on and to improve on but we feel, he feels and his family feel this is the best place for him right now. “He has got a great attitude and has so much energy and enthusiasm, which is a big plus. “He’s a huge talent and could be a very special player. ‘Could be’ are two big words and we have to help him fulfil his potential. “So many promising young players get a good contract and down tools, stopping their development. We don’t want that to happen and I am sure with Ebere it won’t.”
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Post by sharky on Aug 7, 2018 14:45:40 GMT
Also for the record from the Offie. www.qpr.co.uk/news/club-news/wheeler-joins-portsmouth-on-season-loan-deal/Wheeler joins Portsmouth on season loan dealDAVID Wheeler has joined League One side Portsmouth on a season long loan deal today. The QPR attacker has linked up with former R’s assistant manager Kenny Jackett at Fratton Park until the end of 2018/19 campaign. Wheeler, who moved to Loftus Road 12 months ago from Exeter City, has made nine appearances for the R’s, scoring one goal. Pompey kicked off their season with a 1-0 win against Luton Town on Saturday and head to manageress Blackpool this weekend.
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Post by harr on Aug 7, 2018 14:47:19 GMT
The Board made many huge mistakes for sure. You would like to think things are a bit better now, can’t help feeling this Transfer window is all a bit rushed for us. Most people already have there squads just about done.
I can go back years and I can’t remember a single season of late where we have done most of our business early.
On the other hand maybe we were just going to do mainly loans all the way along and we couldn’t do much earlier until FFP was out in the open. Other teams we want to get the loans from might be holding out to see if they can sell the players Thursday first, like say Martin.
It is what it is. Like Bow says good to have all these Kids coming through. Some of the crap we bought in those Prem years still makes me sick to the bone now....... We destroyed ourself.
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Post by sharky on Aug 7, 2018 14:47:32 GMT
As soon as I heard PSV were interested I thought "all over red rover"
From Sainsbury's twitter account. I think he'd have looked much better in hoops!
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Post by rickyqpr on Aug 7, 2018 15:03:56 GMT
BURNLEY & DERBY IN VYDRA-WELLS SWAP TALKS
Burnley and Derby are in talks over a possible deal that will see the Clarets sign Matej Vydra and Nahki Wells join the Rams the other way, according to Sky sources.
We understand both players are set to do medicals at their respective potential new clubs later on Tuesday.
However, if a deal is completed, then Vydra would join Burnley on a permanent deal, but Wells would only join Derby on loan.
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Post by rickyqpr on Aug 7, 2018 15:19:24 GMT
I can understand the disappointment, but every season I am 'ready to go again'. I will be there on Saturday full of hope and enthusiasm - and as they say it is the hope that kills you! I lived through the glory days, but there were disappointments even then - of just missing out on being Champions at Wolves - back in the days when the fixtures were less than fair at the run in. But the transfer window is a cruel beast. It leads you to expect greater things as our club is an easy link with any transfer trying to inflate the price to the real purchaser. We all know we need another defender and striker and we talk our targets up and get excited (even at my age) Sainsbury is clearly a world beater and Jackson is the next Harry Kane - and then good riddance as they sign for a Champions League club or one of our competitors. As they drift away, we deduce that we are now down to third or fourth choice or an injury prone Martin - and that is where the disappointment starts to register. But then we step back and analyse it and realise that we could never have afforded Champions League wages, we were probably never going to spend £2m on a striker yet to score outside of the 4th tier and that our squad is more exciting than it has been for a very long time. Yes, we do need to add a couple, but as others have said, they were always likely to be loans for when the Prem window slams shut. Prem clubs have to submit their 25 players on Friday 10th. If we need a sobering experience look across at Arsenal. their supporters are always unhappy. We would kill to swap places. Bit of a ramble, but I genuinely feel that we are just starting off on year one of a well thought out plan for a club of our size. We are unattractive today, but if we can demonstrate what we can do with youth, then just imagine what could lie ahead. Glass half full, but realistic as well
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Post by rickyqpr on Aug 7, 2018 16:28:06 GMT
The Sainsbury transfer saga is pretty odd, even by our standards. Those ITK all reported that he was our number one target for the hole in the defence. At times it looked a very straight forward signing - only competition from Villa who had their financial issues anyway. But even when Villa were financially sorted, they never figured, or went back it seems. Luongo providing a useful link and encouragement, what could go wrong? Then the stories that his Chinese club were looking for a small fortune to release Sainsbury, even though he would be a free agent in January. Still we are the only club linked - presumably because no other club was remotely interested in paying the transfer fee. Then talk of a loan - but how could that work? Then it went on and on - even then no other real names surfaced - it was always Sainsbury and QPR. Then he buys himself out of his contract and presumably was reimbursed by PSV, who then offered him Champions League football (even though he may well be 4th choice). I wonder what the reality of this story is. Were we terribly deceived by his agent? Were we naive to think he would join QPR? With hindsight it seems obvious that he would not be joining QPR. As a free agent, he would have plenty of options, were we the only ones prepared to think about paying the fee requested. A sad outcome, but I would not be surprised to see him loaned out by PSV in January or next Summer. Draw a line under it. Move on.
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Post by bowranger on Aug 7, 2018 16:56:19 GMT
The Board made many huge mistakes for sure. You would like to think things are a bit better now, can’t help feeling this Transfer window is all a bit rushed for us. Most people already have there squads just about done. I can go back years and I can’t remember a single season of late where we have done most of our business early. On the other hand maybe we were just going to do mainly loans all the way along and we couldn’t do much earlier until FFP was out in the open. Other teams we want to get the loans from might be holding out to see if they can sell the players Thursday first, like say Martin. It is what it is. Like Bow says good to have all these Kids coming through. Some of the crap we bought in those Prem years still makes me sick to the bone now....... We destroyed ourself.Similar to what Macmoish said earlier, it's that element which does really, really grate. We can debate forever the intangible things about how we'd have got on if we stayed up and spent wisely, how it may have ended up boring with us treading water with the other 10 teams grinding out just enough to survive and getting rinsed by the big boys to earn another year feasting at the Premier League TV money trough etc. etc. But what's fundamental is that we had not just one, but two golden chances to establish ourselves at a higher level. Absurd amounts of money we could have invested in youth, in facilities, in infrastructure and we not only pissed it away, but wasted it to such an extent that we've been financially decimated and duly punished for our troubles. Almost every part of it so, so avoidable. It's debatable whether we'll see even a sliver of a chance at an opportunity like that again in a decade.
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Aug 7, 2018 17:39:08 GMT
I despair yet again, its becoming common place every season now. I see nothing but disappointment yet again with this club, after 50 years supporting it does not get any easier thats for sure. The first 50 years are the worst.
Shades of Marvin the Paranoid Android... The life of a QPR fan... "The first ten million years were the worst. And the second ten million: they were the worst, too. The third ten million I didn’t enjoy at all. After that, I went into a bit of a decline."
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Post by eusebio13 on Aug 7, 2018 17:56:09 GMT
Ipswich Town close to sealing a deal for former England C international, Barnsley and Grimsby striker Kayden Jackson from Accrington Stanley, according to journalist Alan Nixon. Ipswich Town close to sealing a deal for former England C international, Barnsley and Grimsby striker Kayden Jackson from Accrington Stanley. Alan Nixon tweeted: “IPSWICH. Kayden Jackson should get done now. Right fee offered. Hope Accy get someone in. Good money all the same.” It is reported that former England C international, Barnsley and Grimsby striker Kayden Jackson will cost Ipswich Town £2million plus from Accrington Stanley. About Kayden Jackson – He is born in Bradford, Jackson signed for Swindon Town after winning their ‘Win a Pro Contract’ competition. He joined Swindon Supermarine on loan in August 2013, he scored five goals in seven games for the club. Later that season he also spent a loan spell at Oxford City. After leaving Swindon he played for Tamworth and Wrexham. Kayden Jackson was selected and called up to the England C team in March 2016, to play against Ukraine U23s. Jackson scored the second goal on his international debut in Kiev later that month, as England C ran out 2–0 winners. After rejecting a new contract at Wrexham in May 2016, he put pen to paper for Barnsley later that month. He signed on loan for Grimsby Town in July 2016. He scored on his debut for the club in a 2–0 win over Morecambe on 6 August 2016. The striker returned to his parent club Barnsley in February 2017 after his season long loan was retracted. Kayden Jackson signed for Accrington Stanley in July 2017. He scored on his debut for Accrington, on the opening game of the 2017–18 season. He scored 16 goals in 44 EFL League Two appearances, and was a major part of Accrington Stanley claiming the title and earn promotion to EFL League One. the72.co.uk/113011/ipswich-town-close-sealing-deal-former-england-c-international-barnsley-grimsby-striker/
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Post by terryb on Aug 7, 2018 18:22:26 GMT
Ipswich Town close to sealing a deal for former England C international, Barnsley and Grimsby striker Kayden Jackson from Accrington Stanley, according to journalist Alan Nixon. Ipswich Town close to sealing a deal for former England C international, Barnsley and Grimsby striker Kayden Jackson from Accrington Stanley. Alan Nixon tweeted: “IPSWICH. Kayden Jackson should get done now. Right fee offered. Hope Accy get someone in. Good money all the same.” It is reported that former England C international, Barnsley and Grimsby striker Kayden Jackson will cost Ipswich Town £2million plus from Accrington Stanley. About Kayden Jackson – He is born in Bradford, Jackson signed for Swindon Town after winning their ‘Win a Pro Contract’ competition. He joined Swindon Supermarine on loan in August 2013, he scored five goals in seven games for the club. Later that season he also spent a loan spell at Oxford City. After leaving Swindon he played for Tamworth and Wrexham. Kayden Jackson was selected and called up to the England C team in March 2016, to play against Ukraine U23s. Jackson scored the second goal on his international debut in Kiev later that month, as England C ran out 2–0 winners. After rejecting a new contract at Wrexham in May 2016, he put pen to paper for Barnsley later that month. He signed on loan for Grimsby Town in July 2016. He scored on his debut for the club in a 2–0 win over Morecambe on 6 August 2016. The striker returned to his parent club Barnsley in February 2017 after his season long loan was retracted. Kayden Jackson signed for Accrington Stanley in July 2017. He scored on his debut for Accrington, on the opening game of the 2017–18 season. He scored 16 goals in 44 EFL League Two appearances, and was a major part of Accrington Stanley claiming the title and earn promotion to EFL League One. the72.co.uk/113011/ipswich-town-close-sealing-deal-former-england-c-international-barnsley-grimsby-striker/The owner of Accrington has stated that they have NOT ACCEPTED a bid from any club. This was after it had been reported that they had accepted bids from us, Ipswich & Peterbotough! That doesn't mean that he won't end up at Ipswich (who have bought well this summer), especially as I think Hurst was his manager at Grimsby, but it is far from a done deal.
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Post by terryb on Aug 7, 2018 18:27:32 GMT
As Wheeler has now gone out on loan, have we managed to reduce the number of first team players to below thirty? Or will the youngster from Stevenage keep us above the twenties?
I appreciate that this includes under 23 players that are fringe first team, but it still looks too high a number than we can afford!
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Post by salts on Aug 7, 2018 18:34:42 GMT
As Wheeler has now gone out on loan, have we managed to reduce the number of first team players to below thirty? Or will the youngster from Stevenage keep us above the twenties? I appreciate that this includes under 23 players that are fringe first team, but it still looks too high a number than we can afford! We need some U23 players AS WELL as our first team squad!
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Post by harr on Aug 7, 2018 19:07:04 GMT
Every one of our targets seems already some way down the line to joining another Club.... SAINSBURY >PSV JACKSON >IPSWICH ?? OLA AINA > QPR / DERBY Still up for grabs MARTIN HUGILL HEFELE If we lose out to Ipswich which as the player has worked under that coach, seems probable like Sainsbury working for an Aussie coach, then AINA loan, HEFELE and either HUGILL or Martin would still be decent business, if Les can get it sorted.
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Post by nomar on Aug 7, 2018 19:12:04 GMT
I tell you what really pisses me off. It's not the fact that we are where we are per se. It's the fact that idiotic decisions by the Board have largely contributed to taking us to where we are. And that we had three "Bites of the Apple" re the Premier League So that's what pisses me Truly and utterly this.
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