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Post by nomar on Dec 1, 2015 22:45:24 GMT
Might aswell stay there then. Be in our Div next season. Next ... And how much money will he get to spend to keep them there? Thats the issue. He can stay at Burton but he'd have no means of competing with the likes of Burnley, Middlesborough, Fulham etc if thy came up. Much though we malign our club its a big step up from Burton and he'll have a far bigger budget to work with. Burton's aim in the Championship would be to survive. JFH won't be bought here to 'survive'. |
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 1, 2015 22:52:35 GMT
+ If he wants to move on, to manage in the Prem, he does need a Championship club of some size. Now maybe that's not us. But someone of some size.
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 1, 2015 22:58:59 GMT
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Post by harr on Dec 1, 2015 23:05:23 GMT
+ If he wants to move on, to manage in the Prem, he does need a Championship club of some size. Now maybe that's not us. But someone of some size. Fulham  |
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Post by steptoesson on Dec 2, 2015 0:56:36 GMT
Actually. lamb chicken and rice sounded delicious to me. Style Councillor, he may also have had roast tatties with that as it's quite common in our culture (Black/Caribbean/African) to have rice and roast potatoes together for your Sunday meal. It actually works. Yep lovely nomar could not agree more. Roasted sweet potato and rice is also a winner. Had grilled chicken roasted sweet potato, white rice with peas and mixed herbs for dinner last night, wanted some kidney beans in there as well but got out voted on that one.  |
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Post by bowranger on Dec 2, 2015 2:34:56 GMT
We're a funny bunch, QPR fans. Ramsey comes in - rushed appointment, no interview process, snap judgement, it's a disgrace. Looking at a new manager with a caretaker in place - this is taking too long, why is interviewing taking forever, it's a disgrace. People say to think of what it must be like for the players...and I agree. If I was a player, I'd be sick of managers coming in and out. I'd like to think the club I played for were taking the time and intending to appoint someone who's going to work with them over a period of time and nurture them.
My big fear with a lot of this is that whilst it seems like 'delaying' because we're interviewing people, as we should be, we're also waiting for Uncle Tony to come back to the UK over winter. I just hope he doesn't bring a snap decision with him.
It's a step up for JFH - nomar is totally right about the budget and goals, in particular. But still feel like it would be prudent for him to continue at Burton - to prove to people that he's not just succeeding off the back of the setup already put in place. He'll get more experience and interest from other clubs in the medium term if he can achieve that - sorta like how Austin sticking with us until summer makes better sense for him career-wise, even if there's premier league interest in January.
I don't like Pearson, personally, but either way his record at Leicester came with two spells, some dips and growth over a few seasons. He would have been sacked at QPR with the same track record prior to Leicester going up. If we take longer term growth seriously then I think we could do far, far worse than Kenny Jackett. I doubt he'd get us promoted (I don't think anyone will, if we're talking this season), but he has a good record of moulding disparate teams into a settled unit that improves. Knows the club and is a good 'stepping stone' manager, but I don't know why he'd leave Wolves for us.
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Post by nomar on Dec 2, 2015 7:01:52 GMT
Actually. lamb chicken and rice sounded delicious to me. Style Councillor, he may also have had roast tatties with that as it's quite common in our culture (Black/Caribbean/African) to have rice and roast potatoes together for your Sunday meal. It actually works. Yep lovely nomar could not agree more. Roasted sweet potato and rice is also a winner. Had grilled chicken roasted sweet potato, white rice with peas and mixed herbs for dinner last night, wanted some kidney beans in there as well but got out voted on that one. Heavenly food, bro. All I could muster last night was beans, poached egg and oven chips. Wanted a chilli but by the time I got home, sorted out my son whose been ill since 2 Fridays ago and hardly been eating since, then put out the recycling and garbage and sorted out my daughter's tea I had no time to cook anything at all. I could go for curried goat, rice and peas right about now. |
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Post by nomar on Dec 2, 2015 7:03:29 GMT
We're a funny bunch, QPR fans. Ramsey comes in - rushed appointment, no interview process, snap judgement, it's a disgrace. Looking at a new manager with a caretaker in place - this is taking too long, why is interviewing taking forever, it's a disgrace. People say to think of what it must be like for the players...and I agree. If I was a player, I'd be sick of managers coming in and out. I'd like to think the club I played for were taking the time and intending to appoint someone who's going to work with them over a period of time and nurture them. My big fear with a lot of this is that whilst it seems like 'delaying' because we're interviewing people, as we should be, we're also waiting for Uncle Tony to come back to the UK over winter. I just hope he doesn't bring a snap decision with him. It's a step up for JFH - nomar is totally right about the budget and goals, in particular. But still feel like it would be prudent for him to continue at Burton - to prove to people that he's not just succeeding off the back of the setup already put in place. He'll get more experience and interest from other clubs in the medium term if he can achieve that - sorta like how Austin sticking with us until summer makes better sense for him career-wise, even if there's premier league interest in January. I don't like Pearson, personally, but either way his record at Leicester came with two spells, some dips and growth over a few seasons. He would have been sacked at QPR with the same track record prior to Leicester going up. If we take longer term growth seriously then I think we could do far, far worse than Kenny Jackett. I doubt he'd get us promoted (I don't think anyone will, if we're talking this season), but he has a good record of moulding disparate teams into a settled unit that improves. Knows the club and is a good 'stepping stone' manager, but I don't know why he'd leave Wolves for us. Pretty much every single word of this including the choice of manager who would be correct for us if we were determined to make a new appointment now. |
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 2, 2015 7:10:54 GMT
Burton Mail Fresh doubt over Hasselbaink's Burton Albion future as QPR links continue By A_Wilkinson | Posted: December 02, 2015 JIMMY Floyd Hasselbaink's future could be resolved in the coming days as the Burton Albion boss continues to be linked to QPR JIMMY Floyd Hasselbaink's future could be resolved in the coming days as the Burton Albion boss continues to be linked to QPR Comments (2) JIMMY Floyd Hasselbaink's future as Burton Albion manager was cast into fresh doubt last night and could be resolved in the coming days. Hasselbaink has been heavily linked with the managerial vacancy at Queen's Park Rangers - and QPR are said to be keen on the Dutchman. The Brewers kept his players in the dressing room once he had completed his media duties following his side's 2-1 victory over Millwall and spoke to them. It was reported last night that QPR want Hasselbaink in place by the end of the week. Related content Burton Albion do boss Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink proud to go top with win over Millwall Burton Albion 2 Millwall 1 match analysis Burton Albion v Millwall match stats Mousinho: Burton Albion proving they are not distracted by Hasselbaink-QPR speculation BIG MATCH PREVIEW: Burton Albion v Millwall - Weir a doubt for Brewers That would appear to be what Hasselbaink was addressing with his squad long after the fans had left the Pirelli Stadium, based on the comments post-match of some players. "I think everyone knows what's going on really with the speculation about the gaffer," said left-back Damien McCrory. "He's just been saying how it is to us. Whether something happens in the next few days or not, he's just letting us know that something may happen, something may not happen, but he'll be in Thursday either way. "There's been speculation for the last two weeks, so whether something happens or something doesn't, we'll soon find out. "He didn't say (if there had been an approach), he didn't actually tell us, but he was just keeping us in the loop. He wants to be honest with us and he wants us to not hear it from the press before hearing it from himself. "He's been straight up with us and as far as he's aware, there's been no approach yet but in the next couple of days, there may or there may not (be)." McCrory was asked if he felt Hasselbaink would be in charge of the club for their next game at Gillingham a week on Saturday. "We couldn't really say at this point," said the full-back, who got the first of Albion's two goals against Millwall. "All the players want him to be in charge for Gillingham but you just never know with football. "One day it could be one thing and the next it totally changes. "We're just hopeful we can keep hold of him but none of the lads would hold any grudges against him if he does decide to move on, because it's a great opportunity. We wouldn't hold it against any of the players if someone came in for them to go and play higher." Midfielder Mark Duffy, arguably Albion's man-of-the-match against the Lions with two assists, backed up McCrory's view. "He just spoke to us about the game and a few other things, but I'm sure you'll find out over the next few days," said Duffy when asked what was said in the dressing room. "It's down to the gaffer to make those decisions, and the club as well. "I'll be honest, I'd be gutted if the gaffer does go. He's done a great job here and we're sitting nicely top of the league. "At the end of the day the gaffer is based down that way and QPR is an unbelievable job. No-one can hold any grudges if he does make that decision to go." Read more: www.burtonmail.co.uk/Fresh-doubt-Hasselbaink-s-Burton-Albion-future/story-28281170-detail/story.html#ixzz3t93Vba59Follow us: @burtonmailnews on Twitter | BurtonNews on Facebook www.burtonmail.co.uk/Fresh-doubt-Hasselbaink-s-Burton-Albion-future/story-28281170-detail/story.html |
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Post by harr on Dec 2, 2015 8:08:13 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 2, 2015 8:44:42 GMT
Dave McIntyre/West London Sport QPR poised to confirm Hasselbaink appointment By David McIntyre 02/12/2015 QPR: Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink QPR are holding talks with Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink and are on course to confirm his appointment as head coach this weekend. Burton Albion granted Rangers permission to speak to the Dutchman after an official approach was made following the League One club’s win at Millwall on Tuesday evening. That victory left the Brewers top of the table but is likely to be Hasselbaink’s last match at the helm. The former Chelsea striker, 43, is keen to return to London and wants to take over at Loftus Road, where Neil Warnock is currently in interim charge and will remain so for Thursday’s game at Reading. Hasselbaink, whose playing career also included spells at Leeds, Middlesbrough and Charlton, has spent a year as Burton boss. The QPR hierarchy want Hasselbaink to take over The QPR hierarchy want Hasselbaink to take over He previously spent a year as manager of Belgian club Royal Antwerp, where he rejected a new contract in order to pursue jobs in England. Burton won the League Two title under Hasselbaink last season and have been a revelation in the third tier this term. He took over from Gary Rowett, who left to join Birmingham City and has been targeted by QPR and Fulham but is set to stay put. Rangers have spoken to several out-of-work managers, including Chris Powell, and regarded Wolves boss Kenny Jackett, who had a four-year spell as QPR assistant manager under Ian Holloway, as a potential option. www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/qpr-poised-to-confirm-hasselbaink-appointmentA number of other current Championship managers were also briefly considered, including MK Dons’ Karl Robinson, but QPR’s owners were unenthused, with Hasselbaink very much the preferred choice. |
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Post by harr on Dec 2, 2015 9:32:04 GMT
I will just say one thing, after Ramsey's appointment in May, not that many wanted him and it turned out very bad whatever way you look at it.
He might well have taken us down but certainly wasnt getting us near the top six.
JFH is another fairly large risk from Fernandes and the board.
There were and are better candidates available that know the Championship better without question.
Considering only 10 % of qpr supporting fans put there names behind him in a poll suggests to me that this appointment might just get as messy as the Ramsey one if things dont go to plan.
That was considering Pearson and Warnock got 50 % of the QPR fans votes.
Not that it bothers me a jot but there is the Chelsea connection too which some fans dont seem to like.
Every time Fernandes makes another poor decision, more and more fans lose confidence in him and more and more will want him off the board and out.
Anyway it is what it is, Managers come and go.
Cant say Im overly excited if he gets it, think me missed a trick, yet again
If he gets a three year deal, expect a few chuckles..
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 2, 2015 9:55:15 GMT
As I've posted, JFH not only played for Chelsea. Has said how much he LOVES Chelsea.
I'm sure managing Chelsea would be his "Dream job" (That and Holland). But to get there, has to do well elsewhere - So the Chelsea connection has zero concern for me (Ditto all the other ex-Chelsea people we've had at QPR)
I just hope if we appoint JFH, we're clear in our own minds; and JFH is clear in his own mind. What we expect of him; how we'll judge him; how long we'll give him. AND precisely who's signing players; what role of Les Ferdinand etc.
Everyone has to be clear in their own minds at the club
And to expect the rest of QPR to change: Well, let's see Tony/Ruben...
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Dec 2, 2015 12:11:27 GMT
On TalkSport:
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 2, 2015 12:22:13 GMT
QPR appointing Jackett might have been asolid, wise move. But certainly with liw glamour
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Post by superckat on Dec 2, 2015 13:20:57 GMT
We're a funny bunch, QPR fans. Ramsey comes in - rushed appointment, no interview process, snap judgement, it's a disgrace. Looking at a new manager with a caretaker in place - this is taking too long, why is interviewing taking forever, it's a disgrace. People say to think of what it must be like for the players...and I agree. If I was a player, I'd be sick of managers coming in and out. I'd like to think the club I played for were taking the time and intending to appoint someone who's going to work with them over a period of time and nurture them. My big fear with a lot of this is that whilst it seems like 'delaying' because we're interviewing people, as we should be, we're also waiting for Uncle Tony to come back to the UK over winter. I just hope he doesn't bring a snap decision with him. It's a step up for JFH - nomar is totally right about the budget and goals, in particular. But still feel like it would be prudent for him to continue at Burton - to prove to people that he's not just succeeding off the back of the setup already put in place. He'll get more experience and interest from other clubs in the medium term if he can achieve that - sorta like how Austin sticking with us until summer makes better sense for him career-wise, even if there's premier league interest in January. I don't like Pearson, personally, but either way his record at Leicester came with two spells, some dips and growth over a few seasons. He would have been sacked at QPR with the same track record prior to Leicester going up. If we take longer term growth seriously then I think we could do far, far worse than Kenny Jackett. I doubt he'd get us promoted (I don't think anyone will, if we're talking this season), but he has a good record of moulding disparate teams into a settled unit that improves. Knows the club and is a good 'stepping stone' manager, but I don't know why he'd leave Wolves for us. Well said Bow. well said. |
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Post by harr on Dec 2, 2015 14:33:16 GMT
We're a funny bunch, QPR fans. Ramsey comes in - rushed appointment, no interview process, snap judgement, it's a disgrace. Looking at a new manager with a caretaker in place - this is taking too long, why is interviewing taking forever, it's a disgrace. People say to think of what it must be like for the players...and I agree. If I was a player, I'd be sick of managers coming in and out. I'd like to think the club I played for were taking the time and intending to appoint someone who's going to work with them over a period of time and nurture them. My big fear with a lot of this is that whilst it seems like 'delaying' because we're interviewing people, as we should be, we're also waiting for Uncle Tony to come back to the UK over winter. I just hope he doesn't bring a snap decision with him. It's a step up for JFH - nomar is totally right about the budget and goals, in particular. But still feel like it would be prudent for him to continue at Burton - to prove to people that he's not just succeeding off the back of the setup already put in place. He'll get more experience and interest from other clubs in the medium term if he can achieve that - sorta like how Austin sticking with us until summer makes better sense for him career-wise, even if there's premier league interest in January. I don't like Pearson, personally, but either way his record at Leicester came with two spells, some dips and growth over a few seasons. He would have been sacked at QPR with the same track record prior to Leicester going up. If we take longer term growth seriously then I think we could do far, far worse than Kenny Jackett. I doubt he'd get us promoted (I don't think anyone will, if we're talking this season), but he has a good record of moulding disparate teams into a settled unit that improves. Knows the club and is a good 'stepping stone' manager, but I don't know why he'd leave Wolves for us. Well said Bow. well said. We are no different to any other supporters though. Jackett is just about clinging on to his job at Wolves a few more defeats and he may be gone before Jan. Lots of fans saying they are going backwards from last year not forwards. Trouble is he did to well in his first year after winning Div 1. We will soon find out if JFH just inherited a very good team put together by Rowett who is doing exactly the same at Brum or not ? |
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 2, 2015 14:39:45 GMT
Also be interesting how long we (Owners) give JFH if things not going well
If they truly believe in him, should stick with him, whatever fans say or how we're doing
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Post by sharky on Dec 2, 2015 15:00:10 GMT
Also be interesting how long we (Owners) give JFH if things not going well If they truly believe in him, should stick with him, whatever fans say or how we're doing Please let it be more than 12 weeks. Make it at least until the end of next season! |
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 2, 2015 15:27:23 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 2, 2015 18:13:41 GMT
Flashback to November 5Odds just now on Skybet.
RED: NO
BLACK: MAYBE
GREY: ermm....
Tim Sherwood: 1/1
Neil Warnock: 3/1
Glenn Hoddle 12/1
Ian Holloway: 12/1
Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink 14/1
Les Ferdinand: 16/1
Uwe Rosler: 16/1
Michael Laudrup: 16/1
Lee Clark: 20/1
Nigel Pearson: 20/1
Nigel Adkins: 20/1
Shaun Derry: 20/1 (maybe assistant to Warnock)
Brian McDermott: 20/1
Martin Jol: 20/1
Gus Poyet: 20/1
Paolo Di Canio: 25/1
Paul Dickov: 25/1
Alan Irvine: 25/1 Alex McLeish: 25/1
Danny Wilson: 25/1
David Flitcroft: 25/1
Micky Adams: 33/1
Paul Ince: 33/1
Nigel Clough: 33/1
Steve Lomas: 33/1
John Carver: 33/1And that same day...
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Post by nomar on Dec 2, 2015 19:01:06 GMT
Mac, I think its safe to rename this thread "The next manager is going to be Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink" now.
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Post by steptoesson on Dec 2, 2015 19:31:39 GMT
Yep lovely nomar could not agree more. Roasted sweet potato and rice is also a winner. Had grilled chicken roasted sweet potato, white rice with peas and mixed herbs for dinner last night, wanted some kidney beans in there as well but got out voted on that one. Heavenly food, bro. All I could muster last night was beans, poached egg and oven chips. Wanted a chilli but by the time I got home, sorted out my son whose been ill since 2 Fridays ago and hardly been eating since, then put out the recycling and garbage and sorted out my daughter's tea I had no time to cook anything at all. I could go for curried goat, rice and peas right about now. My neighboor used to make the best curried goat and these spicy vegetable pasties that were the best I have ever tasted. Then he went and moved and curried goat and spicy pasties have never been the same since.  |
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Post by nomar on Dec 2, 2015 21:39:39 GMT
Heavenly food, bro. All I could muster last night was beans, poached egg and oven chips. Wanted a chilli but by the time I got home, sorted out my son whose been ill since 2 Fridays ago and hardly been eating since, then put out the recycling and garbage and sorted out my daughter's tea I had no time to cook anything at all. I could go for curried goat, rice and peas right about now. My neighboor used to make the best curried goat and these spicy vegetable pasties that were the best I have ever tasted. Then he went and moved and curried goat and spicy pasties have never been the same since. I made curried goat for my team in work a few years back and they loved it. Have to get myself down to the Hallal butchers and pick up some goat meat, cowheel and oxtail. Proper righteous soul food there. |
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Post by timewaster on Dec 2, 2015 23:53:04 GMT
Also be interesting how long we (Owners) give JFH if things not going well If they truly believe in him, should stick with him, whatever fans say or how we're doing Give him to xmas |
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Post by bowranger on Dec 3, 2015 0:17:29 GMT
Well said Bow. well said. We are no different to any other supporters though. Jackett is just about clinging on to his job at Wolves a few more defeats and he may be gone before Jan. Lots of fans saying they are going backwards from last year not forwards. Trouble is he did to well in his first year after winning Div 1. We will soon find out if JFH just inherited a very good team put together by Rowett who is doing exactly the same at Brum or not ? I think a significant chunk of our supporters are far less patient than we used to be because of the last few years of how the club's been ran and the expectation levels. It feels different to a while ago, and it feels very different to the experience of talking to friends who support clubs of an equivalent size or smaller. But that's just my opinion. I don't think Wolves are necessarily going backwards - I think Jackett's experience at Wolves is pretty much in-line with what I said about him and why I think he would have been appropriate. He's not a premier league promotion winner, he's a fixer. He's a manager who takes disparate teams, settles them, shapes them and makes them competitive again. That Wolves team was in a mess with players on disparate wages and a range of ambitions and talent, layered on over many seasons and were down in league 1 looking a mess. He got them playing good attacking football with a settled squad - no mean feat and one we're seeking to achieve ourselves. That's what he does and he did. Kind of like what Clough had to do at Derby - he probably wouldn't have got Derby up but he created the platform that they now have and took them as far as his skills could. Like I said, he's a stepping stone manager, not a world beater and I feel like that was what we probably needed. All academic though now, by the sounds of it. |
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 3, 2015 0:50:19 GMT
How involved will he be in which players we buy? Or will that continue to be Les Ferdinand?
And how much will we be spending (net) after sell off players etc
And of course, how strongly are trying for promotion THIS year?
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Post by steptoesson on Dec 3, 2015 2:12:40 GMT
Well if it is to be Hasselbaink can people stop moaning and get behind him. Its going to be embarrassing if he gets stick from the off. If we want to progress we need to support the man. I have heard some say he is arrogant. I see this as confidence. But then being arrogant does not mean a manager will fail. Ferguson, Clough. Mourinho, Dalglish have all been labeled arrogant in the past and all have had success.
Lets look beyond his past and perceived personality and see what he brings to the training ground and more importantly the park.
I for one am looking forward to welcoming him to LR.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Dec 3, 2015 2:22:43 GMT
Well if it is to be Hasselbaink can people stop moaning and get behind him. Its going to be embarrassing if he gets stick from the off. If we want to progress we need to support the man. I have heard some say he is arrogant. I see this as confidence. But then being arrogant does not mean a manager will fail. Ferguson, Clough. Mourinho, Dalglish have all been labeled arrogant in the past and all have had success. Lets look beyond his past and perceived personality and see what he brings to the training ground and more importantly the park. I for one am looking forward to welcoming him to LR. It's QPR so no that's not possible unfortunately. Bet Mason has his post ready and waiting to call for his head |
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Post by steptoesson on Dec 3, 2015 2:31:32 GMT
Well if it is to be Hasselbaink can people stop moaning and get behind him. Its going to be embarrassing if he gets stick from the off. If we want to progress we need to support the man. I have heard some say he is arrogant. I see this as confidence. But then being arrogant does not mean a manager will fail. Ferguson, Clough. Mourinho, Dalglish have all been labeled arrogant in the past and all have had success. Lets look beyond his past and perceived personality and see what he brings to the training ground and more importantly the park. I for one am looking forward to welcoming him to LR. It's QPR so no that's not possible unfortunately. Bet Mason has his post ready and waiting to call for his head Yeah wishful thinking I suppose. Still will not deter me from backing the man. |
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