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Post by sharky on Aug 9, 2015 0:48:04 GMT
Not surprised to see the reaction on here and Twitter, we do generally have the most moany fans around. Seems a lot of fans still don't understand what this season is going to be about, consolidation. If you don't like it and think we should be getting promoted, bugger off for a year and come back next summer. We won't see the best of this team for another month or so IMO, it will take a while to get everything settled I agree with Rory's sentiments (except for the bugger of for a year one) that we shouldn't expect too much from this squad. If we'd won yesterday it wouldn't have meant that all was rosy for the season ahead. A consolidation year is in order. |
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Post by blueeyedcptcook on Aug 9, 2015 0:52:16 GMT
Geez everyone, take a chill pill or two. 1. This is the first game. It was an away game, so a loss isn't the end of the world. 2. TF set very high prices for Austin, Phillips and co so only expected them to go out at the last minute. If we'd put lower prices on them they'd have out the door ages ago and we'd have had to pay top dollar for replacements early in the transfer market and there would have been cries of "lessons learned". This means we'll only get a final squad late in the piece. 3. We'll lose to Yeovil. We always loose Cup games. This too won't be the end of the world 4. Let's judge how we are at the end of the month, or maybe at the end of Sept. Remember Fulham lost their first 10 or so game last season and weren't relegated. After this match, would you expect, a reduction in the transfer price for Austin. By the way, a good start for keeper McCarthy with Palace. |
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Post by Dufster on Aug 9, 2015 0:56:08 GMT
We are one game in....yes today was disappointing, I'm holding my tongue and trying to be pragmatic on re building! Bad day for CR and LF but have to keep the faith at such an early stage!
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Post by sharky on Aug 9, 2015 1:03:54 GMT
.....and as prdicted blue, from the Mirror www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/charlie-austin-transfer-newcastle-tottenham-6219549?Charlie Austin transfer: Newcastle and Tottenham on alert as QPR lower striker's asking price22:30, 8 AUGUST 2015 BY DEAN JONES The 26-year-old has so far been priced out of a Premier League return but relegated Hoops will now sell for £13m — if the fee is paid in full Right Charlie: QPR wanted £15m for the striker but could now take less QPR are willing to drop their asking price for Charlie Austin to £13million - provided the transfer fee is paid in full. So far, the England striker has been priced out of a move away from Loftus Road, because of relegated Rangers' £15m price tag. But when Newcastle made a fresh enquiry about signing the 26-year-old front man this week, they were told the price could be adjusted if Toon were willing to make a complete payment immediately. Club bosses at St James’s Park believe a £13m valuation is still too high though - and are left contemplating whether they will now sign another forward this summer. With the number of clubs interested in Austin dwindling, it could leave the door open for Tottenham to make their move. |
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Post by Dufster on Aug 9, 2015 2:07:18 GMT
You see this is where I get confused.....we absolutely had enough talent in the team last year to warrant a place in the Premiership...Up until LF getting on board we were holding our own...we all know the stats good at home shiteeee away...and an experienced coaching team that included an ex England Manager! (Love them or hate them)
17th was the goal....HR is put out to pasture...So with that change I except there had to be a new philosophy! Much of that included getting the wage bill down but that was always going to happen anyway at the end of last season! (contracts ended)
So LF comes in and quickly becomes TF 's best mate and based on perceived new logic paying exorbitant wages are a thing of the past and we invest in youth and potential over experience and high cost...caveat that with players with the right alleged mentality!!
So...as far as I understand things we continue to have a few players on the books that Premiership teams still covert and we want to sell them...even if their wages are sensible in comparison to the over paid players we used to have!! And lets assume for a moment that they will go...for less than we had hoped.
So the question is are we really trying to rebuild based on a need to start a bottom up rebuild of the team based on LF and CR doctrine....or are we once again over doing it and is /was there a more pragmatic approach to this...I think there was. Nothing to do with today's result BTW...just a glass of wine and a bit of reflection on today!!
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Post by Marc on Aug 9, 2015 3:21:07 GMT
I eoukd advise you to stop telling people waht to do, you irritating child. Pathetic, you really do need to grow up! |
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Post by Dufster on Aug 9, 2015 3:38:09 GMT
You see this is where I get confused.....we absolutely had enough talent in the team last year to warrant a place in the Premiership...Up until LF getting on board we were holding our own...we all know the stats good at home shiteeeee away...and an experienced coaching team that included an ex England Manager! (Love them or hate them) 17th was the goal....HR is put out to pasture...So with that change I except there had to be a new philosophy! Much of that included getting the wage bill down but that was always going to happen anyway at the end of last season! (contracts ended) So LF comes in and quickly becomes TF 's best mate and based on perceived new logic paying exorbitant wages are a thing of the past and we invest in youth and potential over experience and high cost...caveat that with players with the right alleged mentality!! So...as far as I understand things we continue to have a few players on the books that Premiership teams still covert and we want to sell them...even if their wages are sensible in comparison to the over paid players we used to have!! And lets assume for a moment that they will go...for less than we had hoped. So the question is are we really trying to rebuild based on a need to start a bottom up rebuild of the team based on LF and CR doctrine....or are we once again over doing it and is /was there a more pragmatic approach to this...I think there was. Nothing to do with today's result BTW...just a glass of wine and a bit of reflection on today!! |
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Post by gje on Aug 9, 2015 3:57:10 GMT
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wFX9Wn70eMneeded for some of you. its one game out of 46...this means little in the grand scheme of things. its the first game of the season...its a punch in the gut to QPR but I am excited to see if these guys have fight in them or, like some of us on the board, are already jumping ship and giving up on LF, CR and the season itself. I want to see how they will respond in the next game. Everyone be calm and be civil with all this. We flush this game like the turd it was and we go again against Yeovil!! URRRRRRR's
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 9, 2015 7:17:05 GMT
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QPR Official Site -
CHRIS RAMSEY BEMOANS POOR SECOND HALF SHOWING17:55 8th August 2015 by @qprfc
Gaffer gives his verdict following Charlton defeat
Head Coach disappointed after Charlton defeat
Ramsey pinpoints poor finishing at crucial times
Gaffer bemoans both goals concededQPR Head Coach, Chris Ramsey, was left contemplating what might have been, as Rangers succumbed to a 2-0 defeat on the opening day of the Sky Bet Championship season. Despite orchestrating proceedings during the first period at The Valley, the R’s were left to rue an array of missed chances, as second half goals from Tony Watt and Morgan Fox helped Charlton to all three points. "It's the same old story from last year - the finer details of the game killed us again.,” Ramsey told www.qpr.co.uk. "We started really well, were on the front foot creating chances, but when you don't take them, it becomes very difficult to win football matches. "Twenty minutes in I could only see one winner. "But we missed some good chances - and fair play to them, they weathered the storm and took the two chances they had.” Ramsey added: "I was pleased with parts of our game, but we need to improve our focus for the full 90 minutes. "I was disappointed with both goals we conceded. We've got to close down the ball quicker as a side. "They had two shots on target - plus the one that hit the bar - and then they killed the game off. "It's going to take time, but today I thought we had enough to get a result, but we let ourselves and our fans down.” www.qpr.co.uk/news/article/qpr-chris-ramsey-charlton-athletic-the-valley-2603576.aspx#qbtOkfbXvdxHeGc3.99 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 7:33:36 GMT
Wtf was Rob Green doing with the 1st goal especially ? Wish we would've got rid of him instead of McCarthy , don't understand all the talk of how good he was last season , cost us quite a few games , need to find another keeper I think .
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Aug 9, 2015 7:43:48 GMT
Rorytheranger--dont mind your opinion on consolidation and no promotion but dont ever tell those with aspirations and think differently to you to bugger off for a season--out of line. I am a QPR realist but no way will I be happy with mid table mediocrity--well certainly not until we are firmly in the bottom 3 at xmas at least!! Start it here--lets go all out ugly on all fronts--Get Sam Allardyce. Actually I believe I'm perfectly entitled to say this. Those fans who don't understand the process this club is going through (a process that is much needed and doesn't happen overnight) will split the fanbase, meaning the team won't get the full support and just see grumbling from the fans every time they lose. This will be damaging to the whole team ethos and also to the younger players in the team trying to prove themselves in this league. This was proven yesterday when QPR fans booed Charlie Austin...... Having the fans who expect promotion and get angry at even the idea of "mid-table mediocrity" not there is better for everyone this season |
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 9, 2015 8:00:54 GMT
Personally I neither expect nor demand promotion this season.
And agree with rebuilding etc.
Especially since not at all clear to what degree we'll be spending much on players - replacements.
But the question that we asked last season and really is unanswered is whether Chris Ramsey is THE man to be our manager - even in a rebuilding era.
And yes I know all about our stream of managers and failures. But it is clear that not every good coach is at all equipped to be a manager - even for a midtable team
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Post by Roller on Aug 9, 2015 8:14:46 GMT
We are in this position due to short term thinking, papering over the cracks and knee-jerk reactions. I believe that we are finally taking a sensible approach to rebuilding our football club within a sustainable budget. It will take time. There will, initially at least, be more bad days than good because that is the mess that our previous approach put us in.
What we all need is patience. With the team, with the management and with each other.
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Post by Marc on Aug 9, 2015 8:26:14 GMT
Wtf was Rob Green doing with the 1st goal especially ? Wish we would've got rid of him instead of McCarthy , don't understand all the talk of how good he was last season , cost us quite a few games , need to find another keeper I think . Really? Quite the opposite IMO. We were relegated primarily because of the shit defence, blaming he goalkeeper is just lazy thinking. |
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Post by Marc on Aug 9, 2015 8:29:56 GMT
Rorytheranger--dont mind your opinion on consolidation and no promotion but dont ever tell those with aspirations and think differently to you to bugger off for a season--out of line. I am a QPR realist but no way will I be happy with mid table mediocrity--well certainly not until we are firmly in the bottom 3 at xmas at least!! Start it here--lets go all out ugly on all fronts--Get Sam Allardyce. Actually I believe I'm perfectly entitled to say this. Those fans who don't understand the process this club is going through (a process that is much needed and doesn't happen overnight) will split the fanbase, meaning the team won't get the full support and just see grumbling from the fans every time they lose. This will be damaging to the whole team ethos and also to the younger players in the team trying to prove themselves in this league. This was proven yesterday when QPR fans booed Charlie Austin...... Having the fans who expect promotion and get angry at even the idea of "mid-table mediocrity" not there is better for everyone this season An absolute disgrace. People seem to have already forgotten that he had no pre-season and expected hi to immediately pick up last season's form. All too easy just to think he couldn't be bothered. |
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Post by Marc on Aug 9, 2015 8:30:59 GMT
We are in this position due to short term thinking, papering over the cracks and knee-jerk reactions. I believe that we are finally taking a sensible approach to rebuilding our football club within a sustainable budget. It will take time. There will, initially at least, be more bad days than good because that is the mess that our previous approach put us in. What we all need is patience. With the team, with the management and with each other. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This, a 100 times this! |
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Post by marshbowles10 on Aug 9, 2015 9:14:47 GMT
One game doesn't make a season.
How good are Charlton? Are they the Bournemouth of this season? Had we gone to Bournemouth first game of last season and lost we'd have felt the same because we would have felt we were 'better' than them. 'What are we doing losing to Bournemouth, they'll be relegation candidates'.
We just don't know.
CR is our manager and calling for his head today is frankly ridiculous.
We have almost a completely new team and thankfully have eventually got rid of the mercenaries that were expected to be our salvation. The big name Charlie managers didn't work either did they? The keeper left because some 'clever' CEO got outclassed (again) by an agent and allowed a clause in his contract to let him go. It's not CR's fault.
We have no idea who we have really been talking to in terms of transfers. LF and his team want success as much as you or I and maybe the forwards we want just haven't been available or the terms offered (thankfully?) were rejected?
Anyone that thinks we 'deserve' automatic promotion is deluded.
We will have to put up with 'You're not famous anymore' chants from opposing fans but let's be honest with ourselves, we've never been particularly famous anyway.
This season is about consolidation, getting the framework for the team correct and this will take time. Mistakes will be made and us 'experts' in the stand will see the 'bleeding obvious' but unfortunately we don't know the facts.
We are investing in the team, we are bringing in new faces that are not here for a final payday.
I agree that changes are needed, but chopping and changing after 90 minutes seems like a return to the Briatore boutique management.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Aug 9, 2015 9:22:02 GMT
We are in this position due to short term thinking, papering over the cracks and knee-jerk reactions. I believe that we are finally taking a sensible approach to rebuilding our football club within a sustainable budget. It will take time. There will, initially at least, be more bad days than good because that is the mess that our previous approach put us in. What we all need is patience. With the team, with the management and with each other. Well said |
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 9, 2015 9:54:07 GMT
David McIntyre www.westlondonsport.com/features-comment/football-wls-four-things-qprs-defeat-at-charlton-showed Four things QPR’s defeat at Charlton highlighted Four things QPR’s defeat at Charlton highlighted By David McIntyre 09/08/2015 An opening-day defeat at Charlton – despite the likes of Charlie Austin and Matt Phillips being in the side – was a huge disappointment for QPR and gave head coach Chris Ramsey food for thought. There were some promising signs, especially in the first half, but problems – old and new – were evident as the game went on. Austin struggles as a lone striker Austin has been Rangers’ goalscorer and talismanic driving force, but there’s a reason his £15m price tag seems steep to Premier League clubs. He did well in the top flight last season, but even in the Championship he often struggled without Bobby Zamora performing the battering-ram role up front alongside him. Austin had his moments in the first half but then faded, and although his listless performance is bound to be put down to the speculation over his future, his display wasn’t actually dissimilar to when he has previously been deployed as a lone striker. Speculation continues, but only Leicester have made an approach for Austin. Speculation continues, but only Leicester have made an approach for Austin. Unsettled by speculation and keen to avoid injury ahead of a big move? Perhaps that’s human nature. But from his point of view Austin needs to be impressing and scoring goals now more than ever. He simply isn’t as ineffective without a big presence alongside him. His sharpness has also been affected by a pre-season injury. Tjaronn Chery is a top-quality player Les Ferdinand and Ramsey are convinced Chery could end up at a top Premier League club before long, and although the Dutch midfielder found the going tough at times on his debut, particularly in the second half, his ability was also obvious. Skilful, quick and determined, he’s brilliant at finding pockets of space – which Rangers will need to be much better at utilising – and is also likely to pose a major threat from corners and free-kicks. Joey Barton will be missed. In a sense. For the time being at least. A compelling argument can be made that the positives Barton brings to a club are far outweighed by the negatives. And that QPR are not only more likeable, but much healthier in the long run without him and instead with talented, younger and less problematic players like Chery, Massimo Loungo, Ben Gladwin and others. But not even Barton’s harshest detractor could deny that in the Championship he offered something that was missing at The Valley. He played an important role in ensuring Rangers stood their ground during periods like the second-half spell in which Charlton began to get the upper hand. Happy days. Or maybe not. Happier days. Or maybe not. Matches aren’t won on paper If they were, QPR wouldn’t have suffered two ignominious relegations in recent seasons – or, going further back, failed to even make the play-offs in the 1990s after being relegated with several established Premier League players, some of whom returned to the top flight to star for other clubs. Any expectation that keeping the likes of Austin and Phillips would virtually guarantee success in the Championship is short-sighted. Saturday’s game should be taken as a wake-up call in that sense. With or without their star men, Rangers face a challenging season in a notoriously tough division. Related content: |
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Post by paulmason on Aug 9, 2015 10:11:49 GMT
People know we are rebuilding, the problem is, this mob hired to do the rebuild are cowboy builders, the most inexperianced in the league.
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Post by Dufster on Aug 9, 2015 10:14:04 GMT
I'll say it again....Joey looks like a good half way house between old and new phases....and its significant that we couldn't/didnt reach agreement with him!
He is a handful...but he is without doubt a solid player who brings 100% commitment on the field and a questioning attitude that pushes people and keeps them honest...and I like that!
Don't know the ins and outs but feel it highlights LF and CR's lack of experience...they haven't got the management minerals or skill to manage it so therefore he is out...
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Post by sharky on Aug 9, 2015 10:27:52 GMT
Can't afford Joey's wages I'm afraid
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 9, 2015 10:39:33 GMT
Barton's wages may have dropped over the past few weeks (although I saw somewhere, might go to Norwich) and yesterday was tweeting about returning to football this coming week
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Post by Dufster on Aug 9, 2015 10:45:06 GMT
Can't afford Joey's wages I'm afraid Sharky...everything is negotiable...he has skin in the game with us I just don't think current leadership have the minerals to deal with him! |
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Post by blueeyedcptcook on Aug 9, 2015 11:21:00 GMT
Can't afford Joey's wages I'm afraid Neither can Naarwich. |
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Post by kilburnhoop on Aug 9, 2015 12:05:52 GMT
The usual waffle from the usual I told you so brigade. It's 1 game.
We controlled much of the first half and played some nice stuff. Luongo and chery linked well and there is potential there. Charlie was way of the pace. Poor second half and Philips was at fault for both goals I reckon. Not his biggest fan but mackie gave everything and got a great ovation from the rangers fans.
Back four will take a bit longer to become a solid unit. But both goals were down to the midfield not doing their job.
1 game into a 46 game season, keep the faith.
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Post by harr on Aug 9, 2015 20:23:32 GMT
We are in this position due to short term thinking, papering over the cracks and knee-jerk reactions. I believe that we are finally taking a sensible approach to rebuilding our football club within a sustainable budget. It will take time. There will, initially at least, be more bad days than good because that is the mess that our previous approach put us in. What we all need is patience. With the team, with the management and with each other. All makes sense Roller but can we guarentee that appointing Ramsey after being relegated was the sensible approach and the best option with no Prem or Championship experience ? |
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Aug 9, 2015 20:48:25 GMT
Arsenal lost to West Ham today, don't see Arsenal fans calling for Wengers head and panicking madly......
Knee-jerk reactions
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Post by harr on Aug 9, 2015 21:02:42 GMT
Arsenal lost to West Ham today, don't see Arsenal fans calling for Wengers head and panicking madly...... Knee-jerk reactions Cant really compare the two Rory? Arsenal never conceded 13 away goals in the there last three games. Wengers been there for many years and was an accomplished Manager when he got the job not a coach. Wasnt Charlton the 2 biggest fav for relegation but beat us with ease, would have been more like Bournemouth beating Arsenal surely  Your right though just one game, things have a habit of spiralling quite quickly though, like going back to Hull at home last year. We did play well that game though and deserved a point. |
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Post by Roller on Aug 9, 2015 21:16:02 GMT
We are in this position due to short term thinking, papering over the cracks and knee-jerk reactions. I believe that we are finally taking a sensible approach to rebuilding our football club within a sustainable budget. It will take time. There will, initially at least, be more bad days than good because that is the mess that our previous approach put us in. What we all need is patience. With the team, with the management and with each other. All makes sense Roller but can we guarentee that appointing Ramsey after being relegated was the sensible approach and the best option with no Prem or Championship experience ? As ever there are no guarantees mate, otherwise we'd not have been in the mire under the most experienced manager in the Premier League last season. Personally I have more faith in Ramsey and the "brave new world" than I ever had in Redknapp, but I respect your position. Not that this is my position, but it could make for an interesting discussion as to whether the budget was best spent on a manager or players. |
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