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Post by Macmoish on Aug 8, 2015 13:02:10 GMT
9 Years today: Chris Ramsey's QPR start at Charlton Pretty Strong team Green; Perch, Onuoha, Hill, Konchesky; Henry (Faurlin 71) Luongo; Phillips, Chery (Emmanuel-Thomas 71), Mackie; Austin (Polter 84) Subs not used: Lumley, Hall, Hoilett, Doughty. Match Report BBC- www.bbc.com/sport/football/33744140 Green Perch Onuoha Hill Konchesky1Luongo20Henry( Faurlin) Chery (JET) Phillips Austin (Polterat Mackie + Lumley DoughtyHoilett GUARDIAN Charlton Athletic see off QPR after game-changing display by Tony Watt Conrad Leach at The Valley Saturday 8 August 2015 12.18 EDT CHARLTON TEAM That losing feeling can be a hard one to shake off. QPR lost three of their last four Premier League games as they were relegated in May, finishing bottom of the division, including a 5-1 thrashing on the final day against Leicester. Now starting afresh in the Championship, they came unstuck again and deservedly so, against a Charlton side who grew into this game with impressive assurance. There were excuses. The QPR manager, Chris Ramsey, was giving debuts to four players, but so was his Charlton counterpart, Guy Luzon. However, QPR were playing with 11 men in name only, as Charlie Austin, the striker sought by Everton and Tottenham, failed to put in a performance worthy of his reputation. While Austin has become coveted, Charlton have a player striving to become that too, in the shape of Tony Watt. He scored the first goal and supplied the pass for Morgan Fox for the second having started on the substitutes’ bench. Instead the 17-year-old Karlan Ahearne-Grant was picked to partner Simon Makienok in attack. A dispute between Watt and Luzon’s assistants in training last week meant he had to bide his time. When he replaced Ahearne-Grant at half-time, he took his opportunity within seven minutes. A hopeful ball found him on the left but he attacked James Perch, cut on to his right foot to get past the right-back and beat Rob Green at the near post from eight yards. Luzon shed little light on why Watt had to start among the substitutes. The Israeli, delighted with his side’s performance, said: “What happened was between me and him but I know he had the quality to change the game. He accepted my decision, he didn’t have any choice.” Watt, a Scotland Under-21 international and former Celtic forward, also set up the second goal. His pass picked out Fox, who had made a 40-yard dash to join the attack from left-back, and he beat Green with a low shot from 20 yards. Five QPR players who started in that game against Leicester began here. Austin was, to the surprise of some, among the quintet. It had been assumed by this stage of the summer he would have left, with the west London club hoping to get £15m. He did not do his highlights reel any favours with this display. Advertisement Ramsey said Austin had worked hard and any transfer was out of his hands. “It would be a big loss for us, it’ll be a massive gain for anyone who gets him. I don’t get involved in selling players and if the owners get the right money he’ll be moving on.” Austin, speaking on the radio afterwards, said he would happily keep playing for QPR until told otherwise. One bicycle kick from short-range and a defensive block represented his best moments. He might want to attribute a shank from 30 yards to summer rust, as the ball trundled out for a throw-in and Ramsey took him off before the end, claiming he had detected a slight injury. His team-mate Tjaronn Chery, one of the debutants, signed from Groningen for £1.25m, had a better game and with six minutes in the first half remaining, he let fly with a powerful volley, saved by Nick Pope one-handed. But that shot disguised the balance of play as Charlton gradually found more time on the ball and that trend was confirmed by Watt’s goal. “It took the stuffing out of us,” said Ramsey. After Fox’s goal, Johann Gudmundsson hit the crossbar with a wonderful, dipping free-kick from 25 yards. But Ramsey did not need that to go in to know he has much work to do, with or without Austin. www.theguardian.com/football/2015/aug/08/charlton-athletic-queens-park-rangers-championship-match-report |
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 8, 2015 13:07:02 GMT
As opposed to...  |
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Post by sharky on Aug 8, 2015 13:11:11 GMT
Pretty strong line up IMO
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 8, 2015 13:12:55 GMT
Yup.
Just a matter of gelling...Fitness...Being up for it etc
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Post by steptoesson on Aug 8, 2015 15:22:31 GMT
Fecking 1-0.
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Post by paulmason on Aug 8, 2015 15:31:29 GMT
Losing 2-0 against the 2nd favourites the be relegated.
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 8, 2015 15:36:24 GMT
Some positives from today...Have to gel...Lot of new players...Going to bring one or two players in...Lessons Learned...Run of the ball...Got to take our chances...Bring them in for trainingl...Looking forward
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Post by steptoesson on Aug 8, 2015 15:37:06 GMT
Not good. But not time for knee jerk reactions and doom and gloom just yet.
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Post by nomar on Aug 8, 2015 15:40:56 GMT
Great start for the "told you so" brigade.
Have at it guys.
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 8, 2015 15:51:45 GMT
Can never judge based on one single game...But this was WITH Austin and Phillips...
And besides subjective comments, this hurts team confidence - just like a win would have given us a mountain of confidence.
So I'd say Yeovil does become important just for morale
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Post by paulmason on Aug 8, 2015 15:52:30 GMT
They said their first goal was down to an insperational substitution. This is Ramseys achilles heel, as he may be a great coach, but as he proved last year, he is clueless as a manger.
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Post by harr on Aug 8, 2015 15:58:37 GMT
Yep, I will start off with pretty average performance, deserved nothing and got nothing. Defence will look fragile for weeks as I have been stating for a month or so. The only way I see us winning games is outscoring opponents as we will leak and leak and we didnt even score today against a team that will finish mid table at best. Clint Hill should not be starting games in the Champs or Prem, even though he is a smashing fella and leader. Charlie doesnt really want to be with us any more. Feel free to say im way off the mark after one game but we got defenders in to late after a shabby pre season and it will weeks before we fire as a unit, just like Fulham did last year. I will stick with my 15 th at the minute. Ramsey was lucky to keep the job as his role was to keep us up. Another few games against bang average opposition like this and the pressure will build and build. Warnock and Rednapp started the Division all guns blazing , solid unit. Lets not forget we had Austin and Phillips in that team, 15 million pounds of talent? Could easily have been three nil or more. Poor start  |
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Post by corndog on Aug 8, 2015 16:10:06 GMT
It was a poor start for sure, and I agree with several of your early points about the defence taking some time to learn to play together. I also agree that Hill is too old to start and Austin seems like he doesn't want to be here. Other than that, I am going to give this team time to gel and see where it goes from there. Let's give it a few games before we start to panic.
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 8, 2015 16:17:14 GMT
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Post by harr on Aug 8, 2015 16:23:25 GMT
I wont panic Corndog as my expectations this season are bottom half not top half and just cant understand why some may think we could finish in top 2 ?
But I will still post thoughts as I see them and this wasnt the start or even performance we hoped for.
Charlton had a reserve goalie in and there Leading scorer Ventekle out injured but still put two past our rough defence .
We have a bit of a mix and match team and an unexperienced Manager.
That to me dont say top 2 .
Before all the well we are a new team/relegated team comments come out, Burnley got a good point at Leeds and Hull won, so it is possible to start off well.
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Post by corndog on Aug 8, 2015 16:26:46 GMT
Where did I say I was expecting top 2? I was thinking more mid table, possibly top ten but not quite making the playoffs.
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Post by londonranger on Aug 8, 2015 16:37:12 GMT
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Charlton pair Tony Watt and Morgan Fox ensured QPR crashed to a 2-0 defeat on their return to the Sky Bet Championship.
The visitors, relegated from the Premier League, found life difficult back in the second tier and were outwitted in their opening-day London derby.
Substitute Watt made an instant impact by scoring just seven minutes following his introduction at the start of the second half. And Fox scored his first Addicks goal to kill off QPR for good on a poor afternoon for Chris Ramsey's side at The Valley.
There were eights debutants on show - four for each side - but one standout name at QPR remained in Charlie Austin.
The striker could make a move back to the Premier League this month, as he continues to be linked with various top-flight clubs.
Austin served notice that he will be a major threat at this level when he shrugged off Alou Diarra before firing just wide in the ninth minute.
Austin sent another warning out moments later when his deflected shot beat Nick Pope but not the Charlton goalkeeper's right-hand post.
A new-look Charlton side remain a work in progress and that showed in the early exchanges. They initially relied too heavily on the long ball to giant Denmark striker Simon Makienok, who stands at 6ft 7ins, and the final ball often let them down in the first half.
It was QPR who looked the far more likely to open their account. Tjaronn Chery curled a free-kick wide but he went the closest of anyone before the break to breaking the deadlock in the 38th minute.
The Dutch midfielder found room to drive a 25-yard shot that forced Pope into an acrobatic save to keep the scores level.
Another player tipped for a Premier League return is Matt Phillips. The QPR winger almost struck inside the opening minutes of the second half as his shot was palmed out by Pope.
It was all QPR but Charlton took the lead against the run of play via Watt in the 52nd minute.
The Scottish striker stepped inside and his low shot had sufficient power to sneak past goalkeeper Rob Green at his near post.
QPR were rattled by conceding such a soft goal and they were fortunate not to fall further behind in the 65th minute when an unmarked Patrick Bauer headed over.
Watt then saw a penalty appeal waved away after Karl Henry appeared to haul the Scot down.
But Charlton extended their lead in the 72nd minute when Fox thumped home from long range.
The left-back was given space before he drilling past a helpless Green. QPR knew the game was up and replacing the jaded Austin late on suggested they had given up the ghost.
There was still time for Charlton winger Johann Berg Gudmundsson to rattle the crossbar with a late free-kick as hosts cruised home.
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Post by paulmason on Aug 8, 2015 16:40:53 GMT
Some pot smoking jedi, will soon be on here explaining why it was not such a bad day and there us nothing to worry about.
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Post by rangersman on Aug 8, 2015 16:46:36 GMT
New season , same old crap , good god .
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Post by harr on Aug 8, 2015 16:48:14 GMT
Where did I say I was expecting top 2? I was thinking more mid table, possibly top ten but not quite making the playoffs. No that wasnt aimed specifically at you Corndog  Just going by a few of the predictions on the final table where I see top two and its just something with our defence I couldnt imagine possible. |
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Post by corndog on Aug 8, 2015 16:51:55 GMT
Personally I don't even want to go up this season, I would like to stabilize for a little bit in the Championship.
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Post by timewaster on Aug 8, 2015 17:03:30 GMT
Some positives from today...Have to gel...Lot of new players...Going to bring one or two players in...Lessons Learned...Run of the ball...Got to take our chances...Bring them in for trainingl...Looking forward The biggest positive is that we never lost our opening game at home for a change |
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Post by Marc on Aug 8, 2015 17:03:55 GMT
Some pot smoking jedi, will soon be on here explaining why it was not such a bad day and there us nothing to worry about. The only one smoking anything is you. If you think anyone should be worried after just one game, you're barking. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 17:14:50 GMT
It would be nice now and again if Rangers weren't so predictable , I know it's only the first game but such a disappointment ! Fear Ramsey is still out of his depth , give it a few weeks hope I'm wrong .
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Post by paulmason on Aug 8, 2015 17:25:18 GMT
It would be nice now and again if Rangers weren't so predictable , I know it's only the first game but such a disappointment ! Fear Ramsey is still out of his depth , give it a few weeks hope I'm wrong . The whole DOF and coaching set up are out of their depths. They should all be given company arm bands and rubber rings. |
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Post by eusebio13 on Aug 8, 2015 18:12:27 GMT
It would be nice now and again if Rangers weren't so predictable , I know it's only the first game but such a disappointment ! Fear Ramsey is still out of his depth , give it a few weeks hope I'm wrong . The whole DOF and coaching set up are out of their depths. They should all be given company arm bands and rubber rings. IT MUST BE EXHAUSTING BE THIS MISERABLE |
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Post by paulmason on Aug 8, 2015 18:19:52 GMT
Miserable or right?
We are so oredictable. Even our head coach was telling every other manager his tactics of how he wants to play on Thursday
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Post by npenney on Aug 8, 2015 18:28:54 GMT
First 20 minutes we looked ok, Austin and Phillips never really in it and Austin at one stage after a miss held his hamstring and then carried on for another 15 minutes.
Perch started well and then made mistakes both goals coming down that side.
I thought Luongo sand Chery did well along with Mackie. Konchesky very worrying if we have to rely on him and why the hell a big lump like Jay Emmanuel-Thomas comes on and was taking the corners is beyond me.
A lot of work to do and most of it as predicted is to do with defence. :-(
worrying
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Post by FloridaR on Aug 8, 2015 18:31:24 GMT
Miserable or right? We are so oredictable. Even our head coach was telling every other manager his tactics of how he wants to play on Thursday Always keep that info in the back pocket till game day   |
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 8, 2015 19:05:23 GMT
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