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Post by nomar on May 23, 2015 16:23:40 GMT
Nowt wrong with a big woman, Timewaster.
Granted, Lisa Reilly's not my type but there's plenty of ample women out there that would float my boat if I was single.
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Post by Lonegunmen on May 24, 2015 0:35:54 GMT
Nigella springs to mind.
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Post by sharky on May 24, 2015 0:55:25 GMT
....and Queen's "fat bottomed girls you make the rocking world go round"!
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Post by timewaster on May 24, 2015 15:14:46 GMT
Give Ramsey an improved contract Tony
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Post by harr on Jun 1, 2015 6:48:32 GMT
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jun 1, 2015 6:56:32 GMT
He's on Prem wages, £3m a year apparently. So so glad we didn't go there, very very costly experiment for Derby, with no gaurentee it'll succeed
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Post by harr on Jun 1, 2015 7:05:49 GMT
I didnt realise it this much Rory but think they have a decent young long term Manager there.
Its alot of money agree but in the context of things we wasted say a year of his salary on loaning a player we never even played (zarate)
With one or two additions they can quite easily be a top two side.
Gives him a chance to show what he do at trying to get a team promoted so will be interesting to see how it goes.
I think we might have made contact with him but it never seemed to go beyond that.
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Post by Macmoish on Jun 1, 2015 7:27:22 GMT
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Post by paulmason on Jun 1, 2015 12:36:42 GMT
He's on Prem wages, £3m a year apparently. So so glad we didn't go there, very very costly experiment for Derby, with no gaurentee it'll succeed How much is our experiment costing then as we have two in Ferdinand and Ramsey? IMO, Clement is on a different planet, but I guess time will tell. Some people on here were saying we dodged the bullet when we didn't get Sherwood..... how did that prediction go. |
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Post by nomar on Jun 1, 2015 13:58:40 GMT
If we'd have gotten Clement people on here and other QPR fan sites would have moaned that we never got McClaren.
If we'd have gotten McClaren they'd be moaning that we never gave Ramsey a chance.
Etc, etc, etc.
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Post by Dufster on Jun 1, 2015 14:08:47 GMT
I don't think anyone would have moaned about replacing Ramsey with Clement or McLaren!
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jun 1, 2015 16:18:17 GMT
He's on Prem wages, £3m a year apparently. So so glad we didn't go there, very very costly experiment for Derby, with no gaurentee it'll succeed How much is our experiment costing then as we have two in Ferdinand and Ramsey? IMO, Clement is on a different planet, but I guess time will tell. Some people on here were saying we dodged the bullet when we didn't get Sherwood..... how did that prediction go. I imagine Ramsey won't be on even half of that, same with Les |
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Post by bowranger on Jun 1, 2015 16:30:49 GMT
He's on Prem wages, £3m a year apparently. So so glad we didn't go there, very very costly experiment for Derby, with no gaurentee it'll succeed How much is our experiment costing then as we have two in Ferdinand and Ramsey? IMO, Clement is on a different planet, but I guess time will tell. Some people on here were saying we dodged the bullet when we didn't get Sherwood..... how did that prediction go. Tim Sherwood took over a team who were outside of the relegation places to begin with, with a forward/midfield collection of N'Zogbia, Benteke, Cleverley, Grealish and Delph and had them finish fourth bottom. Personally, I don't reckon CR was the person to keep us in the Premier League, but then I can't name a single available manager who'd have kept us up either, including dear Tactical Tim. I think Clement is absolutely class but he's also not what we probably need right now, considering the mess we're in. He's a coach used to working with top players in top facilities - improving them, pushing them onto the next level. In terms of a full, youth-focused rebuilding job, I don't necessarily think he'd be right for us. I wouldn't turn my nose up about him either, but yeah, I don't think he would have been a great fit for us right now (and I don't think he'd have come to us, either, as it goes). |
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Post by nomar on Jun 1, 2015 17:07:29 GMT
How much is our experiment costing then as we have two in Ferdinand and Ramsey? IMO, Clement is on a different planet, but I guess time will tell. Some people on here were saying we dodged the bullet when we didn't get Sherwood..... how did that prediction go. Tim Sherwood took over a team who were outside of the relegation places to begin with, with a forward/midfield collection of N'Zogbia, Benteke, Cleverley, Grealish and Delph and had them finish fourth bottom. Personally, I don't reckon CR was the person to keep us in the Premier League, but then I can't name a single available manager who'd have kept us up either, including dear Tactical Tim. I think Clement is absolutely class but he's also not what we probably need right now, considering the mess we're in. He's a coach used to working with top players in top facilities - improving them, pushing them onto the next level. In terms of a full, youth-focused rebuilding job, I don't necessarily think he'd be right for us. I wouldn't turn my nose up about him either, but yeah, I don't think he would have been a great fit for us right now (and I don't think he'd have come to us, either, as it goes). Very well put. |
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Post by steeleyranger on Jun 1, 2015 22:21:25 GMT
I believe that Clement was offered the job but turned it down or ruled himself out? as the Guardian wrote:
5 Feb 2015 17:22:05
The 43-year-old admits it would be "a real honour" to manage QPR in the future but insists he will not leave Real Madrid before the end of the season
Real Madrid assistant coach Paul Clement has ruled himself out of the running to become QPR’s new manager.
Harry Redknapp resigned as QPR boss on Tuesday, while Clement, Steve McClaren and Tim Sherwood are among the frontrunners to take charge at Loftus Road.
But Clement, who has worked as Carlo Ancelotti's number two at Chelsea, Paris Saint-Germain and Madrid, insists he has no intention of leaving the Spanish club before the end of the campaign.
“I’m very flattered to be linked with Queens Park Rangers, a club I supported as a young boy and for whom my Dad played,” Clement told The Guardian.
“It would be a real honour to manage that club at some point in the future. But, at this time, I’ve got no intention of leaving Real Madrid in mid-season.”
Sherwood was also approached but declined and was then pleased about the opportunity at Villa-though he was probably aware of that anyway?!
Given the need to rebuild and work with younger players then to me Ramsey is a good choice and has as much chance of success as anyone. Much will depend upon the recruitment and Sir Les' ability to find the 'right' players. Appointing Ramsey also mirrors the new approach being made with recruitment ie lower key,lower age/experience, less high profile etc. I wish them well..
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Post by paulmason on Jun 2, 2015 4:36:55 GMT
Given the need to rebuild and work with younger players then to me Ramsey is a good choice and has as much chance of success as anyone. Much will depend upon the recruitment and Sir Les' ability to find the 'right' players. Appointing Ramsey also mirrors the new approach being made with recruitment ie lower key,lower age/experience, less high profile etc. I wish them well.. You are 100% correct 100%. When I said this at the time of his appointment, I was met with the lots of it doesn't mean that nonsense, from the clever crew on here. I do not have a problem with this approach, I just want the club to state it, so no one gets on the teams back if/when results do not go our way. They are kinda saying it, but not saying it and the only reason tat is, is because they dont want people to not to buy season tickets. I think if they tell the truth and said we need your support more than ever, more people would buy ST's, but more importantly,wont crucify the team when we hit a sticky patch. |
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Post by harr on Jun 2, 2015 7:00:28 GMT
I believe that Clement was offered the job but turned it down or ruled himself out? as the Guardian wrote: 5 Feb 2015 17:22:05 The 43-year-old admits it would be "a real honour" to manage QPR in the future but insists he will not leave Real Madrid before the end of the season Real Madrid assistant coach Paul Clement has ruled himself out of the running to become QPR’s new manager. Harry Redknapp resigned as QPR boss on Tuesday, while Clement, Steve McClaren and Tim Sherwood are among the frontrunners to take charge at Loftus Road. But Clement, who has worked as Carlo Ancelotti's number two at Chelsea, Paris Saint-Germain and Madrid, insists he has no intention of leaving the Spanish club before the end of the campaign. “I’m very flattered to be linked with Queens Park Rangers, a club I supported as a young boy and for whom my Dad played,” Clement told The Guardian. “It would be a real honour to manage that club at some point in the future. But, at this time, I’ve got no intention of leaving Real Madrid in mid-season.” Sherwood was also approached but declined and was then pleased about the opportunity at Villa-though he was probably aware of that anyway?! Given the need to rebuild and work with younger players then to me Ramsey is a good choice and has as much chance of success as anyone. Much will depend upon the recruitment and Sir Les' ability to find the 'right' players. Appointing Ramsey also mirrors the new approach being made with recruitment ie lower key,lower age/experience, less high profile etc. I wish them well.. To me all that says is that he wanted to finish his stint with his current Club until the season ended. Obviously he was interested to look at options after the season closed with other clubs. We did however give the job to Ramsey with a game to go before the season ended so obviously wasnt interested in him. Signing for Derby means he was willing to work for a Championship team. Just that we chose CR before he or McClaren was available . It must have been the two away wins and the one home win in fifteeen that did the trick. |
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Post by ingham on Jun 3, 2015 22:52:23 GMT
I think they will get on the team's back if results aren't going our way paulmason. QPR haven't yet solved a problem indicated above by nomar, about managers, that if we aren't doing well under this manager, we want that one, and so on ad infinitum as we've been doing for decades. If a manager hits a losing run, even if there is a willingness to give him a chance, it won't be an open-ended chance. It will be a chance to get it right, and the question is 'when?' In principle we should be happy to wait 5 years or 7 years or more to arrive at a point where the whole set-up is working together smoothly.
But that's just the point. If we're doing badly, we'll see other managers and Clubs doing well, often at our expense. It is difficult to endorse a loser in preference to a good few winners (there are always managers doing well in the second tier, as well as the Premiership), without some reason to do so.
And it is for the manager and the players to provide the reasons, not the Supporters. If they can't show us good reasons - improvements, if not in results, then in performances, which are consistent and convincing enough to persuade us - it isn't for us to be 'reasonable' on their behalf.
No-one will JUST wait. If we had a sophisticated set-up where the coaches could point to definite, measurable improvements week by week or month by month DESPITE not winning many of the games, I think there would be acceptance, but more than that, there would be a basis for rejecting over-hasty calls for change. But it would have to be something of that kind. A team that plays badly without significant EVIDENCE of improvement effectively IS just bad. They can tell us we should have patience, but that isn't the point.
We should. The question is - why should we have patience with THEM? Giving SOMEONE a chance, sure. Every manager has the potential to succeed, so there must be some reason to choose one over the rest, because very few of them actually will succeed. A manager might get time if the CLUB had a convincing program that did the job for him, introducing good young players, signing bargains with genuine talent, making his job progressively easier, so less was required of him, as the Manager.
But is there any real sign of that?
What we really need is the kind of rationale BEFORE we appoint them, that, at the moment, weeds out each manager AFTER we've watched them for a year or so and discovered - too late - that they and their squad are useless.
Turning hindsight into foresight, as it were.
As the Club hasn't shown any talent at recruiting people who can do a job for us, we might abandon the apparently very positive analyses the Board seems to use to evaluate them, and reverse all the assumptions that have utterly failed us over the past 20 years or so. Treating them all as having no demonstrable ability until we KNOW otherwise. If nothing else, it would get the pressure off them, by reducing or eliminating expectations.
It might even bring wages down to manageable proportions. Our losers have been wildly overpaid. If we can't find better players to pay so much to, maybe we can find similar players to pay much less to.
While we get on with analysing those things we are surpassingly good at. Throwing points away, losing games, signing deadweights, leaking goals, failing to pick up bargains, failing to win cup games, and all that.
It isn't negative to FIND OUT what we don't know, can't do, and are unable to remedy. If the Club had treated itself as a bunch of losers 20 years ago, we might have learned enough about making mistakes to have some insight into what it might take to STOP MAKING THEM!
For instance, it might be illuminating to discover why we always seem to get exactly the same outcome with so many different managers. This amounts almost to genius. Surely there is some common denominator there, since the managers are hardly identical in track record, style, experience and approach. And how do we get relegation struggles in almost every season with virtually a completely different squad?
We've got and we've had so little talent and success that we can't study it under QPR conditions, but we have an enormous amount of data about how we screw everything up, and we can study that.
Why doesn't it change? I wonder if the reason why we are so consistently inept is that we are just too quick to start from the answer, rather than taking it as read, with so many failures, that we have no idea what the question is. It seems to be a modern tendency for managers not to sign the players. But managers usually have some track record to point to. Chairmen almost invariably have none. If managers with a lot of relevant experience are not competent to sign players, why are Chairmen with no relevant experience and no track record of success at all appoint managers?
Our tendency to collapse into long losing runs goes to the heart of the QPR dilemma, showing we're no good at making decisions, but driving us to make more of them. So we still go on appointing managers on the basis (a) that we'll give them time, which we never do, but (b) only as long as they don't lose large numbers of matches, which they always do.
So just take it for granted that losing is most likely. And it's okay, because we have no idea how to win. As long as we're either LEARNING from it, so, at the very least, we realize how bad we really are. Or we can demonstrate that we are beginning to understand what needs to be done.
Because as long as the people running the Club are not admitting how little they know, and how unlikely it is that they'll get it right, they'll just go on making decisions, and changing managers to cover up their ignorance, and the fact that they should never have appointed any of them in the first place.
Supporters don't want to do these things. They want the best people for the job to play, to manage, to run the Club.
Why doesn't that spirit apply to THEM? All we hear from them is how they're going to get it right, how they've learned and so on. Not how much more OTHER PEOPLE have learned, and how much better off we'd be with someone else on the pitch, in the dugout and in the boardroom.
But the evidence all suggests we would be. Far better off.
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 18, 2015 9:06:53 GMT
Flashback: Less than 100 Days into the time he's been (Permanent) Manager...Obviously had some time before that after Redknapp
Our responses then
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Post by paulmason on Aug 18, 2015 9:19:01 GMT
This is an interesting thread. I can see a few cringes coming if people read it.
For the precious ones on here, that is not a "told you so" statement.
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 18, 2015 9:23:06 GMT
I think most people wished him luck; few really understood why - and if going to appoint him - WHY 3 year deal... 2 Year would have been generous and fair...
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Post by bowranger on Aug 18, 2015 11:29:00 GMT
I resent it a bit how the debates regarding this (not just on here, allover the QPR MB's) get polarised into essentially happy-clappy pro-Ramsey people versus the doom-and-gloom Ramsey out brigade - when it's not really quite like that (most of the time). Really similar to the TF debates - people who are cautiously critical of TF are characterised as bloody-minded and looking for any opportunity to have a dig at Uncle Tone whilst people giving him the benefit of the doubt are seen as dyed in the wool TF loyalists with rose-tinted glasses. It's never that simple and only serves people who seem to get off on being Mystic Meg, who are fortunately few and far between on here to be fair. Minor gripe out the way.
But anyway.
My response to this thread wouldn't be too different after 100 days, really. For reasons I've bored people with, I've pretty much written off the tail end of last season. That 100 days takes in a lot of the transfer window so far, so that comes into it heavily. I have mixed feelings about our business but it's broadly positive so far for me. I am excited by signings like Gladwin, Luongo and Chery. I'm disappointed that the Austin saga is just dragging on. I'm not excited by our full back signings but pragmatically understand them in terms of where we are as a club at the moment and the restrictions we are operating under. So those are some examples.
I am probably not worth listening to RE transfers, though, as I thought Hoilett was a superb signing at the time, so what do I know?
Two league games and one cup game into the season, I'm still undecided but very much of the opinion that I want to see how things pan out until at least Christmas (pending an absolute meltdown). Feel like the last 10 years have seen QPR fans, understandably, encouraged to think short-term with the promises that the next manager, the next layer of signings etc etc are going to lead us to consistent success. It hasn't. I think we're in a mess and, whilst I'm not sure if CR and LF are the people to take us forward long-term, I don't think we've had enough time to have a proper judgement on how the overhaul they've put in place is going to pan out.
I'm more optimistic than pessimistic at the moment, but I can understand why others may not be and I think a lot of that depends on what it is you want out of the club right now. I've felt crap about QPR for years, personally. In the last few years, this has been the only time I have ever genuinely resented a number of footballers wearing the hoops - who I felt didn't deserve it and who I desperately wanted shifted out - I've never felt that before. I've never debated my support for the CLUB, but I have debated putting money into the regime that runs it and that's depressing. I've sat and had mates of other clubs who used to have a soft-spot for QPR reel off why we're everything wrong with modern football and frankly I couldn't argue back other than saying that our fans, the custodians, are a loyal bunch who don't deserve to get lumped in with all that. In short, I've felt alienated and I don't want to feel that way anymore. So what I want is that positive feeling between fans, players and the club back - and if that takes re-building and a mid/lower table finish and a tough rebuilding job then I am willing to accept that. I'm one of the sad cases who felt better in league one under Holloway than I did watching Bosingwa in the Premiership. For the first time in years, I feel a bit better about where we're going and about the culture at the club slowly shifting. Don't know if CR and LF will end up being the right people for the job but I feel they have done enough in the mean time to justify being given a chance and I'm interested to see how the team we've assembled does. Personally think they should be given a season (pending an absolute meltdown, no wins, players clearly unhappy etc. etc.) though I very much doubt they'll get that if we're in a crap position by Christmas. Just hope this isn't another false dawn and "lessons learnt" and all that.
Agree with Macmoish that 3 years is perhaps odd for the contract length for CR. With LF in place, assuming his longer term project is processing in a positive way, replacing a Head Coach should (hopefully) be less disruptive than a full managerial shift-over is needs be.
TL;DR Feel better about the club than I have done in a while. Happy to see how this goes and embrace the unknown for the time being whilst not being sure if CR/LF are the best long term option. But feel they've earnt a proper go at it.
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Post by paulmason on Aug 18, 2015 12:28:36 GMT
I agree about labeling people on their opinions. Just because the club decided to put the most inexperienced team in Championship history, in charge of our 2015/6 campaign, I resent being classed as a paid up member of the doom-and-gloom Ramsey out brigade.
Out of curiosity, why do you feel Ferdinand and Ramsey have earn't a proper go at it. What exactly have they done, to make you feel this way?
FWIW, just in case your wondering, I think we will be cannon fodder this season, as they are out of their depths and don't know what they are doing. For me, this is based on last season, pre-season and the start to this season. IMO, if they were at any other club, they would have been sacked in May.
If they were doing the U18's though, which is what they know, I would be as happy as a pig in shiteeeeeee.
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Post by kilburnhoop on Aug 18, 2015 12:51:48 GMT
Well done on your job apppointment Chris. He is the manager of my team, i will support him. U rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrssssssssssssssss. No change from me. |
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Post by bowranger on Aug 18, 2015 13:21:33 GMT
I agree about labeling people on their opinions. Just because the club decided to put the most inexperienced team in Championship history, in charge of our 2015/6 campaign, I resent being classed as a paid up member of the doom-and-gloom Ramsey out brigade. Out of curiosity, why do you feel Ferdinand and Ramsey have earn't a proper go at it. What exactly have they done, to make you feel this way? FWIW, just in case your wondering, I think we will be cannon fodder this season, as they are out of their depths and don't know what they are doing. If they were doing the U18's though, I would be as happy as a pig in shiteeeeeee. To be fair, there is a decent chunk of circumstances dictating the appointments as well, so it's not entirely accurate for me to say they've got the roles fully on merit (i.e. I appreciate that finances and the longer-term nature of the job on-hand that we've decided to pursue has limited our options). But in terms of what they have done. I guess LF up first as he's the one who has dictated the nature of the change of club policy in the longer term. I'm impressed by Les' record at Spurs and his involvement in a system that has demonstrated pathways between the youth/reserves setup and the first team. I like that he has an appreciation of the culture and heritage of QPR and I think the way he has laid out the 'character' of what he wants to do (i.e. changing the 'culture' at the club, integration of youth, doing transfer business with a longer-term mindset). Assuming he's the lead on transfers, I have liked the majority of the transfer business done so far. With CR, it's not a million miles away from the LF reasoning. I like what he has to say in terms of the wider long-term vision for the club. I like the fact that he has demonstrated a commitment to values and character - that he has standards on how players should train and behave that dictate their eligibility for selection. I'll admit that I've given him an easy ride largely on the basis that I've written off the end of last season as essentially a foregone conclusion, for reasons already mentioned (though for the record it's mixed bag on my opinion of him during that period - liked many of the tactical decisions and integration of youth, lost a lot of respect for him in terms of giving SWP a run around at Man Citeh etc. but still think bulk of things were well beyond his control). But I will say that a DoF style position for LF makes CR less integral to the longer term vision, though I'd like him to be a success in the role. For the record, I am not sold on either of them, but I'm trying to be pragmatic. I like what they have to say. What they've demonstrated to me so far has been mixed - for me, mostly positive, but plenty of negatives too. But the positives have been enough for me, on balance, to want them given time to try and make the vision they have sold to the club and the fans a potential reality. I guess fundamentally, in some ways, I actually like the fact that they are inexperienced in some ways - which I appreciate will definitely be jarring for people but I enjoy we are giving hungry people a chance to prove themselves. It's how we got Les from non-league football - seeing potential in someone and giving them a chance to prove it. Building on that, I think too much is made of that inexperience. Yes, there's inexperience in terms of managing at this level. But both have served their time in really successful backroom set-ups. CR has all of the respective coaching qualifications and badges that you should have for managing at this level. He's not my dream appointment by a long shot but he's far from an imposter either. I always firmly believe that I find it hard to believe that in this situation of transition, that other managers who were available at the time, who would actually want to come to us, would not really have done much better at this point. |
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Post by Macmoish on Sept 28, 2015 19:06:55 GMT
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Post by timewaster on Sept 29, 2015 2:27:35 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 18, 2015 10:13:05 GMT
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