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Post by nomar on May 19, 2015 15:31:53 GMT
I give him 0% chance of seeing his contract out! Agreed. He'll get snapped up by a Premier league team when they see how he turns this club around.  |
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Post by sharky on May 19, 2015 15:49:23 GMT
Interesting odds about CR's appointment from racingpost.com www.racingpost.com/news/sport/rasey-not-fancied-to-see-out-contract/1879885/?Ramsey not fancied to see out three-year deal BY MARK LANGDON 1:55PM 19 MAY 2015 QPR appointed Chris Ramsey on a three-year contract on Tuesday, but Betway are not expecting the Loftus Road manager to get that long to work his magic. Ramsey is 16-1 with Betway to see out the deal, while he is 9-2 to lead QPR up to the Premier League in the next three years and 10-1 to take the Hoops down to a league below the Championship in the 2018-19 campaign. BoyleSports rate Rangers 14-1 to win the Championship next season irrespective of who is managing the club and they are 5-1 to bounce back up to the Premier League at the first attempt following this term’s relegation. Ramsey is 25-1 with the Irish layers to be named as the Championship Manager of the Year next season. A double relegation is 11-1 and QPR director of football Les Ferdinand is sure Ramsey is the right man to start the rebuilding process. Ferdinand told QPR’s official website: "From the board, to the players, to the staff, Chris has impressed everyone here in his short time in charge. "His coaching methods and techniques are second to none and with an opportunity to work with new players going forward, he is the ideal candidate for the role in terms of our new philosophy of nurturing young talent and promoting from within. "Rebuilding the club is our first target. If we can make an immediate return to the Premier League, then great, but we have to focus on re-establishing the traditions of QPR. That will take time, but in Chris we have a man who is relishing the challenge that lies ahead." |
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Post by Macmoish on May 19, 2015 15:50:03 GMT
The last manager to last 3 Years at QPR, was Ian Holloway (who was also - at 5 years - the longest-serving manager since Alec Stock)
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Post by stylecouncillor on May 19, 2015 15:52:29 GMT
Also agree can't see the logic of 3 years unless you give him the 3 years to rebuild from scratch this could see us fall down a division again. If this happens can't see him being allowed to continue. I really can't see there was much option other than Ramsey if your going to have Ferdinand up above not heard of a manager yet who has liked that arrangement.
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Post by Marc on May 19, 2015 15:58:34 GMT
Like he did this season? oh wait he didn't! You keep coming up with this "coaches favs" rubbish and every time, you mention players that he's barely played (including Furlong). If they have barely played why keep on naming them on team sheet ? A Coach knows he can upset better players in the squad by picking lesser ability players and it makes me wonder if this hasn't had a catastrophic & frustrating effect on players like Adel, Zarate, Vargas, Niko & Isla this season. If you ever decide to repost that in English, I might reply to it. As it is, it barely makes any sense at all. |
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Post by FloridaR on May 19, 2015 16:55:05 GMT
If they have barely played why keep on naming them on team sheet ? A Coach knows he can upset better players in the squad by picking lesser ability players and it makes me wonder if this hasn't had a catastrophic & frustrating effect on players like Adel, Zarate, Vargas, Niko & Isla this season. If you ever decide to repost that in English, I might reply to it. As it is, it barely makes any sense at all. I take it you have coached a lot in your lifetime. What makes you think I'm talking rubbish when I accuse him of playing his Fav's over more talented players ? |
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Post by blatantfowl on May 19, 2015 17:31:00 GMT
3 years gives the message that he is not a short term option. He is probably quite cheap so it is really not a problem when we sack him in October!
For me, I now give him my belief and loyalty.
I did the same with Hughes, Hart, Redknapp, Magilton, Dowie, Harford, Sousa etc etc
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Post by Marc on May 19, 2015 17:47:26 GMT
If you ever decide to repost that in English, I might reply to it. As it is, it barely makes any sense at all. I take it you have coached a lot in your lifetime. What makes you think I'm talking rubbish when I accuse him of playing his Fav's over more talented players ? What has how much I've coached got to do with anything. Because, if they were his favs, he'd be playing them a lot more often than he did. He used them as cover when senior players were unavailable. He tried different players in different positions, it's what coaches do. Are you suggesting that he should have named the same players week in, week out regardless of whether it's working or not? |
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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 19, 2015 17:50:48 GMT
Also agree can't see the logic of 3 years unless you give him the 3 years to rebuild from scratch this could see us fall down a division again. If this happens can't see him being allowed to continue. I really can't see there was much option other than Ramsey if your going to have Ferdinand up above not heard of a manager yet who has liked that arrangement. So Klopp, Ancelotti, Luis (Barca), Koeman, Pochetinno etc, you not heard of any of those? Because they all work under a DOF and they're all very good managers/coaches. We need to stop using this term, manager. We don't employ a manager at QPR at the moment. We have a Head Coach which is vastly different. Think of it like a manager oversee's a lot of decisions, from first team to the youth teams, to some level also some club decisions, he manages the whole squad. Now think of the Head Coach role like this, there are different 'departments' if you will, there's the First Team, the U21's/EDS squad, the U18's etc etc. Ramsey is in charge of the First Team coaching side and that is it. He is a coach, coaching the players and he's in charge of that. |
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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 19, 2015 17:52:19 GMT
If you ever decide to repost that in English, I might reply to it. As it is, it barely makes any sense at all. I take it you have coached a lot in your lifetime. What makes you think I'm talking rubbish when I accuse him of playing his Fav's over more talented players ? Because he didn't play his fav's over the "more talented players". If you look you'll find Vargas, Isla, Niko and possibly even Adel actually played more than say SWP during Ramsey's brief spell in charge. |
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Post by maude on May 19, 2015 18:37:16 GMT
If Ramsey gets us CHAMPIONSHIP stability over a few seasons then that's good enough for me.
I thought that's what all support are wanting ?
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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 19, 2015 18:41:14 GMT
If Ramsey gets us CHAMPIONSHIP stability over a few seasons then that's good enough for me. I thought that's what all support are wanting ? Well said matey and welcome back!! This appointment is actually a breath of fresh air |
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Post by Macmoish on May 19, 2015 18:44:22 GMT
I don't think any of us being very demanding or having any great expectations: So it's not that if Ramsey doesn't get us up next season (or season after) many should be jumping on him.
Obviously expectations come with how much money we're spending on players, wages, youth, etc...
And there is no one I think who doesnt LIKE Ramsey...believe he's fresh air...hope he does succeed etc. etc.
And yes welcome back Maude
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Post by harr on May 19, 2015 18:46:19 GMT
If Ramsey gets us CHAMPIONSHIP stability over a few seasons then that's good enough for me. I thought that's what all support are wanting ? Welcome Maude, always good to have you posting  IF............ That is the question . Not ideally who I hoped, nor the length of contract I thought but the decision is made so we back him now. If we start off like Fulham did last year, though, it could get messy. Hopefully he is man enough for the Job. |
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Post by nomar on May 19, 2015 18:50:32 GMT
If Ramsey gets us CHAMPIONSHIP stability over a few seasons then that's good enough for me. I thought that's what all support are wanting ? Return of the Maude! Welcome back, sir. |
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Post by maude on May 19, 2015 18:56:50 GMT
Thing is that a contract ain't worth the paper its written on...unless you are Hughes or redknapp, then its bloody expensive to break.
But IMO Ramsey will be on a lot less, and with beard gone maybe there are a few clauses in there we can get rid without that expense. Either way a fixed term contract isn't set in stone.
I'm looking forward to see what Ramsey can do, tough job ahead what with players going and starting over. And maybe he will have to rely on youth, but that is fine with me.
If he keeps us respectable in a crack pot league whilst building a squad then he has done wonders with the crap situation he inherited.
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Post by maude on May 19, 2015 19:00:04 GMT
I'm just watching you've been framed and I thought about my chums on QPR report |
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Post by harr on May 19, 2015 19:18:21 GMT
I guess he has a majority in favour of more pleased that he got the job.
What do you reckon 60/40 in his favour, maybe higher.
I would imagine when Redknapp took over that figure was nearer 80/20 or 90/10 so in a way fans may be less patient as the season progresses?
I think we have look at how things pan out over the summer before we can even think where we could finish next season.
We need to get FFP resolved asap and see if we get a transfer embargo.
We need to see what ones of those players we are going to retain.
See what additonal ones we can get.
Hopefully get someone like Bardsley or similar in.
Not sure where Bonds position is at now but surely he is lucky to still be employed?
Hopefully have a better friendly schedule this season as last year was dreadful.
When we know after that lot we might have a better picture as to what we might be able to achieve ?
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Post by Marc on May 19, 2015 19:32:18 GMT
Welcome back maude, a lot of sense there.
Harr, I think the big difference between Ramsey and Hughes/Redknapp is expectation.
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Post by Macmoish on May 19, 2015 19:37:44 GMT
What do you think the Fernandes figures are? I imagine despite my insightful flashbacks and 4 Years of Tony Misrule, the overwheming majority are still glad he's chairman...
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Post by hitmanrangers on May 19, 2015 19:42:00 GMT
For me, this was the only appointment, I would have actually given him a 4 year contract to factor in a season in League 1.
Based on team performances, team selection, tactics and subs, he didn't do enough to warrant the job so he must be making a massive impression off the field and fully behind TF's new strategy (although this in itself is 4 years too late!).
We must give him a chance. We all need to realise that we ARE NOT a premier league team - history/competition wins/facilities/ground etc says so. At best we are a yo-yo club (and only recently), we previously spent 16 years outside of the premier league after relegation in 1996, and there was not one season when we looked like getting back until Warnock's promotion year. We need to live within our means, go back to being run like a club that develops players. We should not be paying anyone more than £40k/week given our limited income resources (putting TV revenue aside), and should be encouraged to develop players so they can earn £80k+/week but not with us, we sell them on. Follow how we did things in the early 90s - Ferdinand, Impey, Sinclair, Peacock etc, all plucked from the lower leagues, developed and sold on at a profit. That is how we need to run the financial side of things. We are not a club that should be buying old, experienced, international players looking for a final payday, but instead those at the start of the career or wanting to re-build their careers having falling on the wayside (e.g. - Parrett)
Fully expect us to drop into league 1 as we simply cannot afford to give any contracts to those out of contract in summer (unless they take 75% pay cuts) and we need to sell Austin, Fer, Sandro, Phillips and Caulker to pay the FFP that is on its way. But a long contract for Chris takes this into account and gives him time to rebuild - we need to give him a chance and get right behind him next season whatever happens. Think long term! It has been the relative short term view that has got us £200m in debt.
Let's build for the future, a new younger hungry team, where the players identify with the fans, and develop their careers here before going onto bigger things. A team that is youthful and if successful, more likely to transition better to the premier league upon promotion (much like Bournemouth this year). I am fully behind TF/LF/CR philosophy for how this club should move forward now, and so should all true QPR fans.
You R'SSSSSS!!!!
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Post by maude on May 19, 2015 19:43:49 GMT
My views on Fernande's has not changed one bit. He is going along with the script without a falter.
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Post by FloridaR on May 19, 2015 20:01:01 GMT
I take it you have coached a lot in your lifetime. What makes you think I'm talking rubbish when I accuse him of playing his Fav's over more talented players ? What has how much I've coached got to do with anything. Because, if they were his favs, he'd be playing them a lot more often than he did. He used them as cover when senior players were unavailable. He tried different players in different positions, it's what coaches do. Are you suggesting that he should have named the same players week in, week out regardless of whether it's working or not? I think you've never coached so don't understand how demoralizing it can be to put up shite players ahead of talent players (even at the higher level of the game). You can't go and treat seasoned professionals like Junior players...period. SWP - How does he even make the bench after being invisible for 4 years and now is a fantastic professional according to Ramsey. Putting Furlong / Onuaha/ David Hoilett ahead of Isla. Rramsey - Ignoring the fastest player at the club Traore and not improving him, yes the team was crying out for speed in last 12 games... Playing fav ZAMORA WEEK & WEEK OUT with a bad hip 70 / 80 minutes a game !another redundant move by Ramsey ... Why didn't he use Vargas / Greco-Cox sooner ! Hill in weekly over Yun. Age over athleticism. I watched the same squad s you being tinkered with for the first 6 matches in charge by Ramsey & I think he forgot how little time he had to save the season & he did that after being involved with Harry Redknapp & this side for how long !!! |
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Post by harr on May 19, 2015 20:04:47 GMT
Welcome back maude, a lot of sense there. Harr, I think the big difference between Ramsey and Hughes/Redknapp is expectation. I think in the Championship Fabs, Redknapp was expected to bring success quickly. Wonder if the same expectancy might be put onto Ramseys shoulder or if supporters are more leniant and realistic ? I must confess when Hughes took over thought him and Bowen would do well for us . Then when he won 5 consecutive home games and kept us up, still thought he would be a good manager for QPR. I think he bought very badly that summer and the start of the season wasnt what I thought would happen. |
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Post by harr on May 19, 2015 20:09:42 GMT
For me, this was the only appointment, I would have actually given him a 4 year contract to factor in a season in League 1. Based on team performances, team selection, tactics and subs, he didn't do enough to warrant the job so he must be making a massive impression off the field and fully behind TF's new strategy (although this in itself is 4 years too late!). We must give him a chance. We all need to realise that we ARE NOT a premier league team - history/competition wins/facilities/ground etc says so. At best we are a yo-yo club (and only recently), we previously spent 16 years outside of the premier league after relegation in 1996, and there was not one season when we looked like getting back until Warnock's promotion year. We need to live within our means, go back to being run like a club that develops players. We should not be paying anyone more than £40k/week given our limited income resources (putting TV revenue aside), and should be encouraged to develop players so they can earn £80k+/week but not with us, we sell them on. Follow how we did things in the early 90s - Ferdinand, Impey, Sinclair, Peacock etc, all plucked from the lower leagues, developed and sold on at a profit. That is how we need to run the financial side of things. We are not a club that should be buying old, experienced, international players looking for a final payday, but instead those at the start of the career or wanting to re-build their careers having falling on the wayside (e.g. - Parrett) Fully expect us to drop into league 1 as we simply cannot afford to give any contracts to those out of contract in summer (unless they take 75% pay cuts) and we need to sell Austin, Fer, Sandro, Phillips and Caulker to pay the FFP that is on its way. But a long contract for Chris takes this into account and gives him time to rebuild - we need to give him a chance and get right behind him next season whatever happens. Think long term! It has been the relative short term view that has got us £200m in debt. Let's build for the future, a new younger hungry team, where the players identify with the fans, and develop their careers here before going onto bigger things. A team that is youthful and if successful, more likely to transition better to the premier league upon promotion (much like Bournemouth this year). I am fully behind TF/LF/CR philosophy for how this club should move forward now, and so should all true QPR fans. You R'SSSSSS!!!! Not sure we have to sell all those to accomodate FFP We already have £10 Million Remy and £5 Million Mutch towards FFP Theres another 40 Million in those other players.Austin,Fer,Sandro,Caulker,Phillips So we have £55 Million towards FFP but my guess is it will be less than half that figure. Might not be quite as bad as made out? |
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Post by FloridaR on May 19, 2015 20:20:38 GMT
For me, this was the only appointment, I would have actually given him a 4 year contract to factor in a season in League 1. Based on team performances, team selection, tactics and subs, he didn't do enough to warrant the job so he must be making a massive impression off the field and fully behind TF's new strategy (although this in itself is 4 years too late!). We must give him a chance. We all need to realise that we ARE NOT a premier league team - history/competition wins/facilities/ground etc says so. At best we are a yo-yo club (and only recently), we previously spent 16 years outside of the premier league after relegation in 1996, and there was not one season when we looked like getting back until Warnock's promotion year. We need to live within our means, go back to being run like a club that develops players. We should not be paying anyone more than £40k/week given our limited income resources (putting TV revenue aside), and should be encouraged to develop players so they can earn £80k+/week but not with us, we sell them on. Follow how we did things in the early 90s - Ferdinand, Impey, Sinclair, Peacock etc, all plucked from the lower leagues, developed and sold on at a profit. That is how we need to run the financial side of things. We are not a club that should be buying old, experienced, international players looking for a final payday, but instead those at the start of the career or wanting to re-build their careers having falling on the wayside (e.g. - Parrett) Fully expect us to drop into league 1 as we simply cannot afford to give any contracts to those out of contract in summer (unless they take 75% pay cuts) and we need to sell Austin, Fer, Sandro, Phillips and Caulker to pay the FFP that is on its way. But a long contract for Chris takes this into account and gives him time to rebuild - we need to give him a chance and get right behind him next season whatever happens. Think long term! It has been the relative short term view that has got us £200m in debt. Let's build for the future, a new younger hungry team, where the players identify with the fans, and develop their careers here before going onto bigger things. A team that is youthful and if successful, more likely to transition better to the premier league upon promotion (much like Bournemouth this year). I am fully behind TF/LF/CR philosophy for how this club should move forward now, and so should all true QPR fans. You R'SSSSSS!!!! Nice spin. This season has produced the worse team to watch in past 10 years or more at the club, its been absolute rubbish. Bad management, bad coaching, poor technical players. Lookign ahead next season + these factors have damaged the clubs look and I can't see young hungry good players wanting to come to the club .. stay Positive ! I think once my childhood hero Les finally leaves my emotional attachment ends & I'll stop trying to make sense of QPR's demise. A true R. |
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Post by Roller on May 19, 2015 20:30:06 GMT
Personally I’m delighted. I like what Ramsey has to offer and am convinced that this is the way forwards. In his short time he has already shown a willingness to put the good if the club and the players ahead of his short term needs; existing players, such as Sandro, have been carefully nursed back after injuries, young players have been given some experience and then withdrawn from the firing line to work on what they’ve learnt. Previous managers have flogged return players to death and totally ignored the youth, Ramsey has united the squads and started to heal the club.
He won’t promote academy players that he does not feel are capable, but he will know those that can make the step up now and those who will be able to with the right nurturing which will give him a head start in knowing which positions we need to recruit players and to what depth. How he develops his own team from here whatever happens with FFP is going to be fascinating.
Hopefully this will heard in a welcome return to proper management. After three big name managers have all taken their turn at pissing away the club’s money, we are still playing Clint Hill (God bless him) at left back. A change of direction is long overdue.
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Post by Marc on May 19, 2015 20:30:08 GMT
What has how much I've coached got to do with anything. Because, if they were his favs, he'd be playing them a lot more often than he did. He used them as cover when senior players were unavailable. He tried different players in different positions, it's what coaches do. Are you suggesting that he should have named the same players week in, week out regardless of whether it's working or not? I think you've never coached so don't understand how demoralizing it can be to put up shitee players ahead of talent players (even at the higher level of the game). You can't go and treat seasoned professionals like Junior players...period. SWP - How does he even make the bench after being invisible for 4 years and now is a fantastic professional according to Ramsey. Putting Furlong / Onuaha/ David Hoilett ahead of Isla. Rramsey - Ignoring the fastest player at the club Traore and not improving him, yes the team was crying out for speed in last 12 games... Playing fav ZAMORA WEEK & WEEK OUT with a bad hip 70 / 80 minutes a game !another redundant move by Ramsey ... Why didn't he use Vargas / Greco-Cox sooner ! Hill in weekly over Yun. Age over athleticism. I watched the same squad s you being tinkered with for the first 6 matches in charge by Ramsey & I think he forgot how little time he had to save the season & he did that after being involved with Harry Redknapp & this side for how long !!! Again, what has whether I've coached got to do with anything? Just to pick up on a few points. SWP - Who was it that Fer ran over to give a hug after he scored on Saturday? Furlong/Onouha - played right back when Isla wasn't available (this has been covered so may times on here as well as the Vargas issue, do people the courtesy of having a read) Hoilett - Wasn't played instead of Isla at any point Traore - Fast but lazy and a liability this season Zamora - helped Austin to quite a few goals this season and has scored a couple of good 'uns himself. Hill - Has only covered at left back when Yun was injured And Ramsey wasn't involved with Redknapp and this team before he took it over. Do yourself a favour and do a little research before you spout the rubbish that you do. |
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Post by FloridaR on May 19, 2015 21:13:43 GMT
I think you've never coached so don't understand how demoralizing it can be to put up shiteee players ahead of talent players (even at the higher level of the game). You can't go and treat seasoned professionals like Junior players...period. SWP - How does he even make the bench after being invisible for 4 years and now is a fantastic professional according to Ramsey. Putting Furlong / Onuaha/ David Hoilett ahead of Isla. Rramsey - Ignoring the fastest player at the club Traore and not improving him, yes the team was crying out for speed in last 12 games... Playing fav ZAMORA WEEK & WEEK OUT with a bad hip 70 / 80 minutes a game !another redundant move by Ramsey ... Why didn't he use Vargas / Greco-Cox sooner ! Hill in weekly over Yun. Age over athleticism. I watched the same squad s you being tinkered with for the first 6 matches in charge by Ramsey & I think he forgot how little time he had to save the season & he did that after being involved with Harry Redknapp & this side for how long !!! Again, what has whether I've coached got to do with anything? Just to pick up on a few points.
SWP - Who was it that Fer ran over to give a hug after he scored on Saturday?Furlong/Onouha - played right back when Isla wasn't available (this has been covered so may times on here as well as the Vargas issue, do people the courtesy of having a read) Hoilett - Wasn't played instead of Isla at any point Traore - Fast but lazy and a liability this season Zamora - helped Austin to quite a few goals this season and has scored a couple of good 'uns himself. Hill - Has only covered at left back when Yun was injured And Ramsey wasn't involved with Redknapp and this team before he took it over. Do yourself a favour and do a little research before you spout the rubbish that you do. It was Phillips who ran and kissed SWP. What makes Hoillet a better player than Isla on right mid ? Hill was played ahead of Yun in quiet a few important games. West Ham being one of them. Rest.. for the sake of argument we obviously we understand and see the game from a different perspective. |
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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 19, 2015 21:22:19 GMT
Again, what has whether I've coached got to do with anything? Just to pick up on a few points.
SWP - Who was it that Fer ran over to give a hug after he scored on Saturday?Furlong/Onouha - played right back when Isla wasn't available (this has been covered so may times on here as well as the Vargas issue, do people the courtesy of having a read) Hoilett - Wasn't played instead of Isla at any point Traore - Fast but lazy and a liability this season Zamora - helped Austin to quite a few goals this season and has scored a couple of good 'uns himself. Hill - Has only covered at left back when Yun was injured And Ramsey wasn't involved with Redknapp and this team before he took it over. Do yourself a favour and do a little research before you spout the rubbish that you do. It was Phillips who ran and kissed SWP. What makes Hoillet a better player than Isla on right mid ? Hill was played ahead of Yun in quiet a few important games. West Ham being one of them. Rest.. for the sake of argument we obviously we understand and see the game from a different perspective. Hoilett was never once played at RM this season so not sure where that's coming from at all? Oh and Hill was rightfully played over Yun at LB towards the end of the season, I have no idea what the hell Yun was playing it. He started off the season very well and has just rapidly gone downhill since about November. I mean just look at his performance against Man City. Hill hasn't even played that badly at LB funnily enough |
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