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Post by harr on May 19, 2015 12:24:28 GMT
Its the 3 year contract that seems weird. Whilst on one hand it could be said that this potentially leads to stability, what if results do not turn out as expected and we are sitting at Christmas in a similar position to this Christmas? Is it another pay off time? A 12 month rolling contract to my mind would have given enough protection for Chris and enough for The Club. But it;s the bubble of the world that football lives in that bears absolutely no relationship to the world we live in. I'm retired now but I think the best contract I ever had was 3 months. Be interested to know what sort of £ he is on. Yes it could be a gamble, or maybe we stick with CR through thick and thin and this is how he cements himself as our gaffer for the foreseeable future. Everyone has to start somewhere, I know it's not quite the same but look at Monk at Swansea. No experience at all, signed on a 3 year contract. A gamble but it's working out just fine! Yeah quite a good comparison I guess JJ Monk did get 18 points from his 14 games. 5 wins , 3 draws and 6 defeats . Ramsey I think 3 wins , 2 draws 9 defeats ? See where you coming from though |
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Post by FloridaR on May 19, 2015 12:29:40 GMT
I wonder how fans will feel when he's playing Coaches Favs SWP & Hoillet on a consistent basis next season.
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Post by Markqpr on May 19, 2015 12:30:08 GMT
I must be one of the few that is genuinely exicted by this!
I was resigned to relegation back at the end of October and seeing that play out slowly over the last few months has been torturous. The way the club has been set up for the last 6/7 years mean't that relegatioin was inevitable the moment Zamora hit the back of the net at Wembley despite the best intentions of those in charge.
The identity of our club had been stripped away by the money men for years now, even fans have become impatient and believe that 'one more change' is what's needed to 'turn it around', whether that's a new manager or striker or defender or whatever.
Football unfortunately does not work like that. And we all know that.
Finally we have a manager that understands what we need in order to become a stable side. Maybe one day soon we'll play the same 11 in the same formation for 3 games in a row and when we do, it'll be a start.
Ramsey and Ferdinand might not have experience, but our experience of those that have has been awful these last 3/4 years and I'm proud of our club to give Ramsey a chance and wish him and Ferdinand all the best luck in the world in turning our club around.
WE ARE QPR.
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Post by harr on May 19, 2015 12:31:44 GMT
Difference being Monk inherited a decent squad of players and took the job from a club that is turning a profit and being run well by its Board! The point is he was totally unknown as a manager, untried, untested and he's doing better than a "big name" could with the decent squad of players. Monk won 5 , drew 3 and lost 6 of his games in the first spell, which was better than Ramseys record I guess would be only saying of difference in terms of points prior to contract offer. Like Dufster said too, a stable situation . |
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Post by jbol on May 19, 2015 12:32:24 GMT
When you offer these multi-year contracts there is the danger of ending up with several managers on the payroll. Will happen to AC Milan next season.
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Post by Macmoish on May 19, 2015 12:33:05 GMT
We all wish him luck obviously.
And maybe it works. I'd have a little more confidence if we had a Director of Football with managerial experience.
As for Ramsey: Think "The Peter Principle"
I'd have more faith if Ramsey was a 40 year coach now being promoted
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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 19, 2015 12:37:16 GMT
Rory talks sense. We can't predict what will happen under CR any more than we could if we got yet ANOTHER "big name" manager. Look at Hughes, Look at Redknapp. Neither got us anywhere except back where we started and a good few £million lighter. Give CR a chance he has as good a chance as anyone and no doubt costs a bit less(!)
That is why we really shouldnt be offering a three year contract to a Manager cutting his teeth in management.He may well do extremely well and we may be in the bottom half come Christmas but three years is stupid for an untried man, a nice a guy as Chris is. Would add, its ok Rory saying good dont come/ dont get a ticket but there will be lots of fans unhappy with this three year deal. So if you say, ok dont come we want supporters who will support the team. You might end up with a half empty ground made up with more tourists if your not careful. That wouldnt be a good scenario in my mind. If someone decides to not renew his season ticket, I fully respect that. Its his opinion and choice to. Anyhow good luck Chris Ramsey Yet many fans favourite to take over, Warburton, has only spent one season in the Championship and has barely any more experience than Ramsey does. In fact in terms of coaching and actual football experience Ramsey has far more experience |
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Post by paulmason on May 19, 2015 12:39:42 GMT
[/quote]And why exactly will they not touch us with a barge pole? Young players will see that Ramsey gives youth a chance and did in a higher division too so there will be an attraction there. Not only that but Ramsey is still considered one of the best coaches in the country, people want to work with him and for him.
If that's your genuine prediction of what is to come then I feel sorry for you[/quote]
No decent player with ambition will come to the circus at W12. Gone are the days of us paying the most to get someone, so other things will come into play like the set up etc. We have an inexperienced director of football and manager. Compare that to other set ups and you should understand that.
I expect only young players is all we will be getting next season and I don't have a problem with that. I just hope the club say what the plan is, so fans are not duped into thinking otherwise before shelling out for ST's. That is a given for me as I have already said not decent, seasoned pros, will not be fooled by our set up and risk their win bonuses, which is a big deal in the Championship.
You have hit the nail on the head as I agree, "Ramsey is still considered one of the best coaches in the country", the problem is he is a lousy manager.
There is no need to feel sorry for me.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 19, 2015 12:41:18 GMT
And why exactly will they not touch us with a barge pole? Young players will see that Ramsey gives youth a chance and did in a higher division too so there will be an attraction there. Not only that but Ramsey is still considered one of the best coaches in the country, people want to work with him and for him. If that's your genuine prediction of what is to come then I feel sorry for you[/quote] No decent player with ambition will come to the circus at W12. Gone are the days of us paying the most to get someone, so other things will come into play like the set up etc. We have an inexperienced director of football and manager. Compare that to other set ups and you should understand that. I expect only young players is all we will be getting next season and I don't have a problem with that. I just hope the club say what the plan is, so fans are not duped into thinking otherwise before shelling out for ST's. That is a given for me as I have already said not decent, seasoned pros, will not be fooled by our set up and risk their win bonuses, which is a big deal in the Championship. You have hit the nail on the head as I agree, "Ramsey is still considered one of the best coaches in the country", the problem is he is a lousy manager. There is no need to feel sorry for me.[/quote] That's ok then because he's not our manager.. |
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Post by jjqpr on May 19, 2015 12:42:59 GMT
I must be one of the few that is genuinely exicted by this! I was resigned to relegation back at the end of October and seeing that play out slowly over the last few months has been torturous. The way the club has been set up for the last 6/7 years mean't that relegatioin was inevitable the moment Zamora hit the back of the net at Wembley despite the best intentions of those in charge. The identity of our club had been stripped away by the money men for years now, even fans have become impatient and believe that 'one more change' is what's needed to 'turn it around', whether that's a new manager or striker or defender or whatever. Football unfortunately does not work like that. And we all know that. Finally we have a manager that understands what we need in order to become a stable side. Maybe one day soon we'll play the same 11 in the same formation for 3 games in a row and when we do, it'll be a start. Ramsey and Ferdinand might not have experience, but our experience of those that have has been awful these last 3/4 years and I'm proud of our club to give Ramsey a chance and wish him and Ferdinand all the best luck in the world in turning our club around. WE ARE QPR. Wow the day has finally come, we actually AGREE about something!!!!!  |
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Post by harr on May 19, 2015 12:59:16 GMT
No we cant predict jj as he has never even Managed in the Championship, never even won a title or got a team to play offs etc.
That is why we really shouldnt be offering a three year contract to a Manager cutting his teeth in management.He may well do extremely well and we may be in the bottom half come Christmas but three years is stupid for an untried man, a nice a guy as Chris is. Would add, its ok Rory saying good dont come/ dont get a ticket but there will be lots of fans unhappy with this three year deal. So if you say, ok dont come we want supporters who will support the team. You might end up with a half empty ground made up with more tourists if your not careful. That wouldnt be a good scenario in my mind. If someone decides to not renew his season ticket, I fully respect that. Its his opinion and choice to. Anyhow good luck Chris Ramsey Yet many fans favourite to take over, Warburton, has only spent one season in the Championship and has barely any more experience than Ramsey does. In fact in terms of coaching and actual football experience Ramsey has far more experience True Rory but at least he did have some Championship experience between Chris R and Les they dont have any as such but there might have even been a couple of others available next week as well as Warburton, we didnt even wait and see. All a bit strange but if thats what Tony wants he must be impressed its his money and his call so we move on. Some things TF is getting right like the contracts if we drop down and more youth but I still feel 3 yrs is excessive. It may well work out a wonder deal, or it may work out a disaster who knows. Either way I will back him until say we get near the relegation places lol.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 12:59:45 GMT
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Post by Marc on May 19, 2015 13:01:18 GMT
I wonder how fans will feel when he's playing Coaches Favs SWP & Hoillet on a consistent basis next season. Like he did this season? oh wait he didn't! You keep coming up with this "coaches favs" rubbish and every time, you mention players that he's barely played (including Furlong). |
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Post by jjqpr on May 19, 2015 13:17:14 GMT
I wonder how fans will feel when he's playing Coaches Favs SWP & Hoillet on a consistent basis next season. Like he did this season? oh wait he didn't! You keep coming up with this "coaches favs" rubbish and every time, you mention players that he's barely played (including Furlong). It's true, he even had the balls to drop Vargas and Isla for reasons we may never know. The point is from the off CR was willing to try new things. Some of them seemed very odd I must admit but he is very much learning obviously. HR was so stale signing the same old players and sticking to what he knows (not that it worked one bit for us.) CR Will hopefully be a breath of fresh air once we clear out the dead wood, overpaid premadonnas and actually assemble something of a championship squad who actually want to play football for us. That's my hope anyway. |
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Post by kilburnhoop on May 19, 2015 13:34:57 GMT
Well done on your job apppointment Chris.
He is the manager of my team, i will support him.
U rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrssssssssssssssss.
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Post by terryb on May 19, 2015 13:35:56 GMT
I must be one of the few that is genuinely exicted by this! I was resigned to relegation back at the end of October and seeing that play out slowly over the last few months has been torturous. The way the club has been set up for the last 6/7 years mean't that relegatioin was inevitable the moment Zamora hit the back of the net at Wembley despite the best intentions of those in charge. The identity of our club had been stripped away by the money men for years now, even fans have become impatient and believe that 'one more change' is what's needed to 'turn it around', whether that's a new manager or striker or defender or whatever. Football unfortunately does not work like that. And we all know that. Finally we have a manager that understands what we need in order to become a stable side. Maybe one day soon we'll play the same 11 in the same formation for 3 games in a row and when we do, it'll be a start. Ramsey and Ferdinand might not have experience, but our experience of those that have has been awful these last 3/4 years and I'm proud of our club to give Ramsey a chance and wish him and Ferdinand all the best luck in the world in turning our club around. WE ARE QPR. Spot on Mark. I do have some reservations on Chris Ramsey, but that is only because I wanted the club to interview appropriate candidates rather than just have one consideration for the post. We are now in the position we should have been placed after the dismissal of Hughes. If we had followed this approach then we would already be well on the way to saving the future of the club, rather than having to wait for FFP to decide our financial fate. To those of you saying that you will not renew your ST because of Ramsey, please explain why you did with HR as manager then. It will be impossible for the football to be worse & who knows, you might even be entertained! For the first time since he took ownership, I am hoping that TF has finally understood the club & is acting towards our long term interests, rather than looking the usual two weeks forward. F*** being in the Premiership with such an amateur club (unfair description on most non league clubs). Rebuild the basics & we will prosper in the long run. That may mean that we may never return to the wonderful World of Sky TV, but we would then have a club back that you will be proud to say you support! IF we return it will be when we are ready to compete, rather than hope that over spending on transfers & wages will keep us in "the promised land"! |
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Post by FloridaR on May 19, 2015 13:37:05 GMT
I wonder how fans will feel when he's playing Coaches Favs SWP & Hoillet on a consistent basis next season. Like he did this season? oh wait he didn't! You keep coming up with this "coaches favs" rubbish and every time, you mention players that he's barely played (including Furlong). If they have barely played why keep on naming them on team sheet ? A Coach knows he can upset better players in the squad by picking lesser ability players and it makes me wonder if this hasn't had a catastrophic & frustrating effect on players like Adel, Zarate, Vargas, Niko & Isla this season. |
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Post by sharky on May 19, 2015 13:45:53 GMT
Not my first choice but he's the manager of my club so he'll have my support
.......for the time being anyway!
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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 19, 2015 13:47:45 GMT
Like he did this season? oh wait he didn't! You keep coming up with this "coaches favs" rubbish and every time, you mention players that he's barely played (including Furlong). If they have barely played why keep on naming them on team sheet ? A Coach knows he can upset better players in the squad by picking lesser ability players and it makes me wonder if this hasn't had a catastrophic & frustrating effect on players like Adel, Zarate, Vargas, Niko & Isla this season. Ramsey tried different things at first, he tried playing SWP, he tried putting Adel back in the team etc etc. The reason he ended up going back to what is essentially Harry's team is because it just doesn't work and those players can't be relied on. Vargas and Isla are rumoured to have wanted out even before Harry left. Adel is a disgrace, has been for several years now, Zarate came here unfit and never made any attempt to try and get fit for us, Niko should never have been signed again this season anyway. |
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Post by bowranger on May 19, 2015 13:55:07 GMT
I'm not over the moon but frankly have no idea who else we'd get in. Genuinely think it's cloud cuckoo land to be talking as if there was a decent chance of us going straight back up next year and this appointment has somehow done us in. We're due a massive overhaul and long-term rebuilding job.
Whether he should have been appointed when he was is another argument. But the way I see it, we had a choice about either getting in the person we wanted for a relegation battle quick-fix on an expensive deal or someone to deliver the day-to-day coaching and management responsibilities under Les as Director of Football in the midst of a structural overhaul at club level. Again, whether that's good/bad/don't know is another debate. But CR has nothing in his record to suggest he had the skills to deal with keeping us up or dealing with the players we had. However, he does have a track record of coaching and developing young and emerging talent and has formed a core part of club structures elsewhere that are far superior to ours. So whilst I thought the end of the season was maybe a minor improvement but still mostly pap, I feel like that's more down to us simply not being good enough and I'm not sure if even Pulis etc etc and the other totally unrealistic names being banded around could have saved us from going down.
So yeah, I'm not over the moon but I do think CR's experience is appropriate enough for the job a QPR manager is being tasked with for NEXT SEASON, which I believe is essentially building a young, competitive and cheap team that steadies the ship and keeps us in the Championship. Just not going to League One will be a success next year. I'll get behind him and see how it goes - but feel like the second half of the prem season isn't really a fair yard stick to measure him with and considering the re-building job and our finances I'm not sure the likes of Clement or Warburton would be wanting to come anywhere near us anyway. Also agree with some others on here that, whilst I'm not sure if it'll come off, the chance of seeing a broadly young, hungry team that's assembled with an eye on a few years down the line rather than massively expensive short-termism is pretty exciting! Good luck to him, he'll need it.
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Post by nomar on May 19, 2015 14:00:54 GMT
No doubt Chris is a Nice Guy but he's tactically naive and learning the game as he goes along. Must be rubbing his hands at the Good reward for failure and relegation. Go back to New Years Day and Leicester fans were telling you that Pearson was tactically inept and out of his depth in the Prem. Any time a manager wins games he's a tactical genius. When he loses he's always suddenly tactically inept. Its a shame that all those weeping and gnashing their teeth at this appointment don't actually take a step back and look at what big name managers with agenda filled charters have done to this club. Or better still just go back and look at what y'all were saying about Ramsey after Sunderland away. |
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Post by nomar on May 19, 2015 14:02:46 GMT
I must be one of the few that is genuinely exicted by this! I was resigned to relegation back at the end of October and seeing that play out slowly over the last few months has been torturous. The way the club has been set up for the last 6/7 years mean't that relegatioin was inevitable the moment Zamora hit the back of the net at Wembley despite the best intentions of those in charge. The identity of our club had been stripped away by the money men for years now, even fans have become impatient and believe that 'one more change' is what's needed to 'turn it around', whether that's a new manager or striker or defender or whatever. Football unfortunately does not work like that. And we all know that. Finally we have a manager that understands what we need in order to become a stable side. Maybe one day soon we'll play the same 11 in the same formation for 3 games in a row and when we do, it'll be a start. Ramsey and Ferdinand might not have experience, but our experience of those that have has been awful these last 3/4 years and I'm proud of our club to give Ramsey a chance and wish him and Ferdinand all the best luck in the world in turning our club around. WE ARE QPR. You're not alone on this one. I'm with you 100%. |
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Post by wrenboy61 on May 19, 2015 14:04:50 GMT
Would have preferred Warburton!
Would have preferred it not to be 3 years!
Decisions all been made so now waiting to renew season tickets because I support QPR not Fernandes, Ferdinand, Ramsey or whoever else you would like to mention.
Stop moaning and get behind the club feel some of you would be happy to see us in Division 2 just so you could say you we're right!
It's done get over it!!!!
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Post by spanishal on May 19, 2015 14:10:28 GMT
Can't believe all this negativity. Judge the man by results when he has had an opportunity to assemble his own squad. Anyway sir Les is the real manager as Ramseys title is. "head coach"
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Post by kenthoop on May 19, 2015 14:19:56 GMT
I cannot believe all the vitriol spewing out against this appointment ,for me I will reserve my judgement until Ramsey has his own squad of players to work with ,IMO as I see it is a good appointment ,even from the off he has been willing to try different things ,the players like him and his coaching methods etc ,so I am not going to go along with all this negativity about this appointment , the owners have obviously been impressed with his short time in charge so if it is good enough for them then it is good enough for me , enough said
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Post by Lonegunmen on May 19, 2015 14:28:42 GMT
I think his first action should be to sack Bond and bring in Chris Houghton as his assistant. That could add some experience to the coaching team. I felt sorry for him at Nukearsehole and Naaaaarrrwich.
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Post by paulmason on May 19, 2015 14:34:58 GMT
I think his first action should be to sack Bond and bring in Chris Houghton as his assistant. That could add some experience to the coaching team. I felt sorry for him at Nukearsehole and Naaaaarrrwich. Why would Houghton (a proven manager) work for Ramsey (a proven coach). Hell would freeze over before the person in charge, gave a better qualified person a job as his assistant. |
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Post by Lonegunmen on May 19, 2015 14:36:02 GMT
Because Houghton might want a job?
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Post by kerrins on May 19, 2015 15:14:58 GMT
A bit too inexperienced for my liking. I have my doubts but we shall see.
Anyway with FFP and our financial plight the days of getting the likes of Big Sam from West Ham are over.
Next. Watch out for Charlie Austin to be replaced by a Striker signed from Bog Standard United
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