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Post by Macmoish on Jun 4, 2012 10:12:42 GMT
Taylor tweeting Barton out with his girlfriend, etc...see tweets
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jun 4, 2012 10:18:09 GMT
As much as I want him gone from the club, no need fpr this type of behaviour. However, as pointed out, Wife, child, 5:30am? WTF?? Joey, you seriously need some serious psychiatric help.
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Post by scubahoop on Jun 4, 2012 10:26:52 GMT
Interesting how some think. And also their conception of crime, justice and the law. So, it's the victim's fault to be punched in the face is it? Or, because of the victim's 'reputation', or past behaviour, is it therefore OK to punch him in the face? Is it illegal to go out to a nightclub until 5.30 in the morning even if you are the parent of a small child? Perhaps, Joey was 'asking for it'? Also, he hasn't got a top on, so therefore he is a 'nutter' and must be to blame?
All we know so far, is that JB was punched in the face (i.e. is the victim) and two men have been arrested (i.e. they are suspected of violence). For those suggesting that it is JB's fault, perhaps you would like to go and live in Iran or Saudi Arabia, Pakistan or Syria of course, where an arbitrary interpretation of the law is commonplace, where women who are raped are found 'guilty' and where the established way of dealing with cases such as JB's would be a kangaroo court.
I recommend you study how and why our legal system (still a long way short of being perfect) operates the way that it does and perhaps also read Albert Camus' novel 'The Outsider', which examines how mob mentalities lead to mob justice.
Also, maybe a trip to one of those countries mentioned above. Just make sure you don't get a 'reputation' for anything when you are out there or find yourself the victim of an attack.
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Post by alfaranger on Jun 4, 2012 10:30:31 GMT
Interesting how some think. And also their conception of crime, justice and the law. So, it's the victim's fault to be punched in the face is it? Or, because of the victim's 'reputation', or past beahviour, is it therefore OK to punch him in the face? Is it illegal to go out to a nightclub until 5.30 in the morning even if you are the parent of a small child? Perhaps, Joey was 'asking for it'? Also, he hasn't got a top on, so therefore he is a 'nutter' and must be to blame? All we know so far, is that JB was punched in the face (i.e. is the victim) and two men have been arrested (i.e. they are suspected of violence). For those suggesting that it is JB's fault, perhaps you would like to go and live in Iran or Saudi Arabia, Pakistan or Syria of course, where an arbitrary interpretation of the law is commonplace, where women who are raped are found 'guilty' and where the established way of dealing with cases such as JB's would be a kangaroo court. I recommend you study how and why our legal system (still a long way short of being perfect) operates the way that it does and perhaps also read Albert Camus' novel 'The Outsider', which examines how mob mentalities lead to mob justice. Also, maybe a trip to one of those countries mentioned above. Just make sure you don't get a 'reputation' for anything when you are out there or find yourself the victim of an attack. Careful mate! You'll get people thinking. |
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Post by Macmoish on Jun 4, 2012 10:36:06 GMT
As I said above, Barton is now a target - even when he's not doing anything - except for being somewhere...
If I were him, I'd stop tweeting. Maybe even move abroad for a year or two
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Post by eusebio13 on Jun 4, 2012 10:42:04 GMT
Interesting how some think. And also their conception of crime, justice and the law. So, it's the victim's fault to be punched in the face is it? Or, because of the victim's 'reputation', or past beahviour, is it therefore OK to punch him in the face? Is it illegal to go out to a nightclub until 5.30 in the morning even if you are the parent of a small child? Perhaps, Joey was 'asking for it'? Also, he hasn't got a top on, so therefore he is a 'nutter' and must be to blame? All we know so far, is that JB was punched in the face (i.e. is the victim) and two men have been arrested (i.e. they are suspected of violence). For those suggesting that it is JB's fault, perhaps you would like to go and live in Iran or Saudi Arabia, Pakistan or Syria of course, where an arbitrary interpretation of the law is commonplace, where women who are raped are found 'guilty' and where the established way of dealing with cases such as JB's would be a kangaroo court. I recommend you study how and why our legal system (still a long way short of being perfect) operates the way that it does and perhaps also read Albert Camus' novel 'The Outsider', which examines how mob mentalities lead to mob justice. Also, maybe a trip to one of those countries mentioned above. Just make sure you don't get a 'reputation' for anything when you are out there or find yourself the victim of an attack. scubahoop revealed as Shami Chakrabarti seriously of course you are right... he is probably the victim in this instance and deserves our support in this case but he is more often the instigator and to ignore his part in creating his reputation is to naively absolve him of all his crimes...in the end this is not the same as someone saying that a rape victim deserves it because they wore a short skirt. |
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Post by alfaranger on Jun 4, 2012 10:44:57 GMT
As much as I want him gone from the club, no need fpr this type of behaviour. However, as pointed out, Wife, child, 5:30am? WTF?? Joey, you seriously need some serious psychiatric help. Joey's not married Lone and that does look like his girlfriend of 6 years with him in the picture that Eusebio posted, so I dont get that post. If he'd taken his baby with him or left him alone whilst they went out then that would be different. Whats wrong with taking you're girlfriend for a night out? |
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Post by alfaranger on Jun 4, 2012 10:47:43 GMT
Interesting how some think. And also their conception of crime, justice and the law. So, it's the victim's fault to be punched in the face is it? Or, because of the victim's 'reputation', or past beahviour, is it therefore OK to punch him in the face? Is it illegal to go out to a nightclub until 5.30 in the morning even if you are the parent of a small child? Perhaps, Joey was 'asking for it'? Also, he hasn't got a top on, so therefore he is a 'nutter' and must be to blame? All we know so far, is that JB was punched in the face (i.e. is the victim) and two men have been arrested (i.e. they are suspected of violence). For those suggesting that it is JB's fault, perhaps you would like to go and live in Iran or Saudi Arabia, Pakistan or Syria of course, where an arbitrary interpretation of the law is commonplace, where women who are raped are found 'guilty' and where the established way of dealing with cases such as JB's would be a kangaroo court. I recommend you study how and why our legal system (still a long way short of being perfect) operates the way that it does and perhaps also read Albert Camus' novel 'The Outsider', which examines how mob mentalities lead to mob justice. Also, maybe a trip to one of those countries mentioned above. Just make sure you don't get a 'reputation' for anything when you are out there or find yourself the victim of an attack. scubahoop revealed as Shami Chakrabarti seriously of course you are right... he is probably the victim in this instance and deserves our support in this case but he is more often the instigator and to ignore his part in creating his reputation is to naively absolve him of all his crimes...in the end this is not the same as someone saying that a rape victim deserves it because they wore a short skirt. No its not the same. Nevertheless each crime has to be judged on its OWN merits not on any crimes committed previously. Thats the way of it in this countries legal system. |
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Post by eusebio13 on Jun 4, 2012 10:47:51 GMT
This is one where he wasn't the victim and was "convicted". Poor misunderstood soul.
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Post by superckat on Jun 4, 2012 10:50:41 GMT
Ian Taylor's statement was read out on Sky Sports. Said that Barton was walking past the club with his girlfriend when 2 blokes started chanting abusive things about him, then confronted him, then he got punched in the face.
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Post by eusebio13 on Jun 4, 2012 10:51:34 GMT
scubahoop revealed as Shami Chakrabarti seriously of course you are right... he is probably the victim in this instance and deserves our support in this case but he is more often the instigator and to ignore his part in creating his reputation is to naively absolve him of all his crimes...in the end this is not the same as someone saying that a rape victim deserves it because they wore a short skirt. No its not the same. Nevertheless each crime has to be judged on its OWN merits not on any crimes committed previously. Thats the way of it in this countries legal system. Alfa not really correct, the good (or otherwise) character and behaviour of those involved is fully admissible in court. |
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Post by alfaranger on Jun 4, 2012 10:57:02 GMT
No its not the same. Nevertheless each crime has to be judged on its OWN merits not on any crimes committed previously. Thats the way of it in this countries legal system. Alfa not really correct, the good (or otherwise) character and behaviour of those involved is fully admissible in court. Just took this from a legal journal used to teach law:- "Under the status quo in most English-speaking jurisdictions, a defendant’s previous convictions cannot be brought up in court until after the jury has given its verdict. This includes Scotland[1], America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Britain. This is because these countries believe that each case should be evaluated on its own merits, and that ‘knowledge of previous offences would prejudice the outcome of a trial’[2]." Perhaps we're at cross purposes and I dont want this to develop where I am "defending" Joey, because I'm not. |
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jun 4, 2012 10:58:13 GMT
If what IJT says is true about the incident then Barton is not to blame.
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Post by Macmoish on Jun 4, 2012 11:03:16 GMT
This is the fastest QPR Official response ever as far as I recall!
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Post by scubahoop on Jun 4, 2012 11:03:20 GMT
eusebio13, he was found guilty and sentenced to a term in prison which he served. He is entitled to be rehabilitated just as you or I would be, if we were ever found guilty of a crime. Unfortunately, his 'reputation' has led people to target him both on and off the field. This is wrong and is helping nobody. Also, it is ridiculous as Macmoish suggests, that he should stop tweeting or go and live abroad. He is perfectly entitled to 'tweet what he wants' (he has as yet not broken any libel laws) and to continue to live in this country and enjoy the full protection of its laws when he needs them too. It is called Western Civilization and we live in something called a Liberal Democracy, thank God. Scubahoop aka Shami Chakrabarti  |
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Post by andygg on Jun 4, 2012 11:03:27 GMT
Trouble always follows idiots.
The bloke is a 24 carat mug.
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Post by eusebio13 on Jun 4, 2012 11:09:29 GMT
eusebio13, he was found guilty and sentenced to a term in prison which he served. He is entitled to be rehabilitated just as you or I would be, if we were ever found guilty of a crime. Unfortunately, his 'reputation' has led people to target him both on and off the field. This is wrong and is helping nobody. Also, it is ridiculous as Macmoish suggests, that he should stop tweeting or go and live abroad. He is perfectly entitled to 'tweet what he wants' (he has as yet not broken any libel laws) and to continue to live in this country and enjoy the full protection of its laws when he needs them too. It is called Western Civilization and we live in something called a Liberal Democracy, thank God. Scubahoop aka Shami Chakrabarti actually I've met Shami and she was charming and very smart |
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Post by eusebio13 on Jun 4, 2012 11:15:45 GMT
Trouble always follows idiots. The bloke is a 24 carat mug. I believe this is also a direct quote from the legal journal ;D |
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Post by alfaranger on Jun 4, 2012 11:24:31 GMT
Trouble always follows idiots. The bloke is a 24 carat mug. I believe this is also a direct quote from the legal journal ;D Dont necessarily disagree with it either Eusebio.  |
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Post by nomar on Jun 4, 2012 11:38:47 GMT
Scuba, no one said he was guilty of anything.
However, he clearly cannot keep out of trouble either by his own design or by pure accident. Now we are painfully beginning to fully appreciate why Newcastle let him go for nothing. They just wanted rid of him.
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Post by Markqpr on Jun 4, 2012 12:01:23 GMT
Interesting how some think. And also their conception of crime, justice and the law. So, it's the victim's fault to be punched in the face is it? Or, because of the victim's 'reputation', or past behaviour, is it therefore OK to punch him in the face? Is it illegal to go out to a nightclub until 5.30 in the morning even if you are the parent of a small child? Perhaps, Joey was 'asking for it'? Also, he hasn't got a top on, so therefore he is a 'nutter' and must be to blame? All we know so far, is that JB was punched in the face (i.e. is the victim) and two men have been arrested (i.e. they are suspected of violence). For those suggesting that it is JB's fault, perhaps you would like to go and live in Iran or Saudi Arabia, Pakistan or Syria of course, where an arbitrary interpretation of the law is commonplace, where women who are raped are found 'guilty' and where the established way of dealing with cases such as JB's would be a kangaroo court. I recommend you study how and why our legal system (still a long way short of being perfect) operates the way that it does and perhaps also read Albert Camus' novel 'The Outsider', which examines how mob mentalities lead to mob justice. Also, maybe a trip to one of those countries mentioned above. Just make sure you don't get a 'reputation' for anything when you are out there or find yourself the victim of an attack. A far better literary reference would be Franz Kafka's 'The Trial'. I love it how you condemn everyone as 'judging' Barton whilst putting across your own judgemental view on everyones posts. Your right though, people shouldn't do it as you might end up looking like a complete hypocrite.  |
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Post by Hogan on Jun 4, 2012 14:54:29 GMT
IJ now clarifying that his tweets are in an official capacity, just to make sure people are aware. If only he would use the 'official' twitter, he would find it far easier to avoid confustion. Will he ever get it?
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Post by Macmoish on Jun 4, 2012 14:58:02 GMT
This Dichotomy - When the QPR Spokesman is commenting on QPR...I don't see how there can be a distinction between Official and Unofficial...
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Post by cpr on Jun 4, 2012 15:42:21 GMT
Barton in scouse tealeafs stole my t shirt shocker!!!  |
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Post by manta on Jun 4, 2012 15:51:26 GMT
Guy Ritchie should write a movie about this guy's life.
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Post by Macmoish on Jun 4, 2012 16:31:44 GMT
Tweeting Barton saying what happened (or at least from his perspective) Joseph Barton @joey7barton
I got sucker punched in the back of the head. Not injured as reported just a
Small bruise on rear of head/ear. I've had worse. Life goes on! Thanks for the concern. Have a good day people.
Can I just say a public thanks to the police last night as they were and have been today brilliant.
Not planning on pressing charges as its not that serious. The police have also got better things to do with their time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2012 16:42:07 GMT
Found this picture on the web!!! Looks like its Barton's Girlfriend & a member of the Police holding him back!! Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2012 16:47:02 GMT
Shouldn't make light of this! But just had to post a picture of this Tweet!!!............Its soooo funny!!! Attachments:
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Post by alfaranger on Jun 4, 2012 17:21:57 GMT
Shouldn't make light of this! But just had to post a picture of this Tweet!!!............Its soooo funny!!! c Old joke but still funny. First heard it in a "One Foot in the Grave" episode - the one with the firemen. |
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Post by cpr on Jun 4, 2012 17:47:10 GMT
Shouldn't make light of this! But just had to post a picture of this Tweet!!!............Its soooo funny!!! c Old joke but still funny. First heard it in a "One Foot in the Grave" episode - the one with the firemen. Paddy Power's facebook account said they were loooking for 60 million suspects! Told you they'd half inched his t shirt!!! ;D |
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