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Post by maudesfishnchips on Jan 22, 2012 23:38:28 GMT
well..........we can grab two from that list, and both fits.
'you support what it says'
'said by someone very important' (according to the retweeter)
i am honestly bemused how ian taylor can do this, and other things as well, and not be reprimanded by your employer.
for me ,this is a misconduct of position.
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Post by bowranger on Jan 23, 2012 1:56:35 GMT
It's pretty well documented on here that I find Barton's demeanour/attitude/over-inflated sense of his own specialness and intelligence etc. really annoying. But saying we need to sell a player over tweets..? Just find that over-emotional and reactionary personally. If it categorically de-stabilised the team (and with the greatest respect for Warnock, who I very much admire, tweets and internet prattle didn't get him fired, he should ask Sousa about what happened to him...) then perhaps. But being obnoxious to your ex-manager and being annoying? Really don't think that's worth selling someone for.
I'm not saying that what a player says on Twitter isn't important (see also Oxford Utd's admirable stance of kicking out that homophobic excuse of a player recently) - it's no different to Barton mouthing off to the press directly seeing as it's where they regurgitate the stories from, the stories essentially write themselves. But what concrete affect has this had on the team? A bigger negative than him not playing for us ever again (not discounting his poor showings here, but it's cast iron fact that he's a very talented Premiership player who has been useful for us and has the potential to be a LOT more important)?
You can compare this to what would constitute mis-conduct at a regular job but this isn't a regular job. Would it be acceptable for Stan Bowles to do half the stuff he got up to at a regular job? I guess there is an argument there that would say that if Barton was half as important to our team as Bowles was then it would be less of an issue, but the principle of it is the same.
As an aside, I am very curious about what on earth was actually happening at the club to make Barton so angry about it. Rumours flying everywhere. He may well be spitting the dummy and completely over-stating it, but if something was clearly not right at the club and your ex-manager is making out like the problems were all external, i'd be angry too. Same as I would be if my manager left my job when the company was being run poorly on a day to day basis and then told everyone it wasn't anything to do with him/her. Like I say, maybe everything was hunky dory and Warnock was bang on. Even if Barton's concerns were correct, he still went about it in a very disrespectful and unprofessional manner.
But to me, the crux of this is - is Barton behaving like a dickhead on the internet? Almost certainly. Is acting like a dickhead on the internet a reason to show a player the door? In this case, I think it's jumping the gun. If anyone can straighten him out, Mark Hughes can. I doubt he will have to frankly as players like Barton respect him for what he's achieved in the game at the top level, on and off the pitch. Doesn't mean he's wrong for treating Warnock with disrespect, but that's premier league footballers. We promised them a part of a premier league project with all the perks, facilities, preparation and attitude that entails - and when they don't get that or see it progressing, they get upset. We happen to have the most easily upset person in the prem who makes the most noise about it...and then we'll all forget about it. Just like when Taarabt said some completely disloyal stuff in the press, a few weeks later HQ was singing his name.
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 23, 2012 8:16:24 GMT
And the Fans (or some of the Fans) Metro Joey Barton's Twitter rants win terrace approval at QPR http://www.7msport.com/news/newsdata/20120123/68119.shtml I have a say Posted Monday, January 23, 2012 by Metro.co.uk Joey Barton's Twitter antics may have angered Neil Warnock, but QPR fans have signalled their approval in the form of a new song. Joey Barton's Twitter rants win terrace approval at QPR QPR's Joey Barton enjoyed the chanting about his tweets The midfielder has turned himself into a minor celebrity by joining the social-networking site and clashing with football journalists, angering the directors of his former club Newcastle, taunting Piers Morgan and upsetting a fake Gary Glitter. His behaviour did not go down well with ex-Hoops boss Warnock either, who recently suggested Barton spent too much time talking about himself. The QPR captain responded with a typical Twitter rant and the Loftus Road faithful celebrated the event with a chant during Saturday's 3-1 win over Wigan. Barton loved it and, naturally, couldn't wait to tell his 1.1million followers about it. 'Funniest footy song of the year from the QPR fans. "He tweets what he wants, he tweets what he wants..........." Hahaha class. #comeonuR's,' said the outspoken Scouser. QPR supporters aren't the first to re-jig Manchester United's 'we'll do what we want' chant this season. Manchester City fans have taken to singing 'we'll score when we want' since seeing their team crush local rivals United 6-1 at Old Trafford. www.7msport.com/news/newsdata/20120123/68119.shtml |
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 23, 2012 13:14:54 GMT
INDEPENDENT
Jamie Corrigan: Joey Barton - beyond good and evil...and comprehension, but not without reason The Way I See It: He is the ultimate creature of Twitter as he claims not to care what anyone thinks then invites them to tell him Joey Barton is a freak of Nietzsche. On a social media website, inevitably, the conscience of the Premier League is busily creating his own system of morality and while the old philosopher would have approved of his refusal to accept convention, he would surely have logged on to Twitter and wondered what he had done. Alas, the world according to Joey doesn't make much sense. Yes, his values are "beyond good and evil", as Nietzsche would have wanted, but they are often beyond comprehension as well. Not fair, is it? The French get Eric Cantona with his seagulls, trawlers and sardines, and England get Joey Barton with his Google. But wait, because even Cantona had to go somewhere for the quote which established him as football's Philosopher King and Wikipedia assures me that Google wasn't around in 1995. He was actually helped by a Manchester security guard in formulating the Delphic utterance and the said security guard later confessed he meant herrings, not sardines. It just goes to show there's very little original thinking left in football nowadays, and for that reason we should give praise, not ridicule, to Barton. Except it is difficult to do so when he embarks on one of his self-righteous crusades. Maybe he thinks of us all on our sofa, with iPhones shaking on sweating palms, absorbing the brutal honesty of his martyrdom. Maybe he doesn't think at all. Take Saturday evening's tweeted soliloquy. "Don't/haven't u realised over the last decade, I am at my best when u give me stick," he wrote, with the auto-correct turned off. "I continually make u eat ur words. Do urselves a favour... I find it humorous u haters think ur negativity and sniping will effect me. I don't want or need ur advice, praise, negativity... ...or any other thing u offer. U will never effect me. I am far to driven for u. Thanks for helping me be successful. I love u all xx" Has he really continually made us "eat ur words", or even to try to decipher his words? In 2007, as a 24-year-old, he was playing for England and now, five years on, he is playing for a team whose last major trophy was 45 years ago and who sit two points off the Premier League drop zone. So what "success" on Saturday emboldened Barton to cock a snook at his critics? QPR beat Wigan. At home. Of course, it is incredibly "successful" on Barton's behalf that someone is still willing to pay him £80,000 a week after a career in which he has served time in prison for assault, put out a cigarette on a team-mate's eyelid, been convicted for assaulting another team-mate and been involved in so many other controversies that the News of the World probably resisted hacking his mobile on the grounds they were scared of the workload. Naturally, it is Barton's footballing ability which has allowed him such longevity as still to be in gainful employment at 29. His "victim" mentality doesn't allow him to look at the "what-could-have-beens" from the negative perspective. He could be playing for Arsenal, but instead he sees it as he could be scratching out lottery tickets on a council estate. How do you argue with that mindset? You don't. You just sit back and consider it and, if you must, pour scorn upon it. Barton has found his perfect home in Twitterland, a place where he receives the requisite insults to allow him to go all Gloria Gaynor on a keyboard. Twitter is driven by "negativity" and "sniping" and, if it wasn't, then the right-sided midfielder of the 16th-best team in the Premier League wouldn't have more than 1.1 million followers; he'd have fewer than 70,000, like his team-mate Jay Bothroyd who, incidentally, also has one cap for England. Barton is like the masochist who runs into the asylum and then moans when all the inmates give him attitude. He is the ultimate creature of Twitter as he claims not to give a damn what anyone thinks and then ultimately invites them to tell him what they think. And meanwhile the belligerence grows, as does the belief that a world which gives him a king's salary is against him. Yet he's not Jesus on a hill in ancient Jerusalem. He's Joey in Shepherd's Bush. But then, nobody can claim he isn't entertaining, especially when he doesn't follow through one of his "arguments" and calls Neil Warnock, the manager who bought him and made him captain, "Mike Bassett". Who does that make Joey Barton – Gary Wackett? Granted, every now and again, when his high horse is bent down for much-deserved refreshment, he forgets his own sacrifice to grant us some real insight. Joey told us from personal experience that Stéphane Sessègnon "makes Sunderland tick" and then Match of the Day confirmed it. Joey went on to tweet what Nietzsche said, something MOTD also confirmed. "The demand to be loved is the greatest of all arrogant presumptions." And the demand to be hated is right up there as well. www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/jamie-corrigan-joey-barton--beyond-good-and-eviland-comprehension-but-not-without-reason-6293191.html
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Post by haqpr1963 on Jan 23, 2012 13:48:12 GMT
INDEPENDENT
Jamie Corrigan: Joey Barton - beyond good and evil...and comprehension, but not without reason The Way I See It: He is the ultimate creature of Twitter as he claims not to care what anyone thinks then invites them to tell him Joey Barton is a freak of Nietzsche. On a social media website, inevitably, the conscience of the Premier League is busily creating his own system of morality and while the old philosopher would have approved of his refusal to accept convention, he would surely have logged on to Twitter and wondered what he had done. Alas, the world according to Joey doesn't make much sense. Yes, his values are "beyond good and evil", as Nietzsche would have wanted, but they are often beyond comprehension as well. Not fair, is it? The French get Eric Cantona with his seagulls, trawlers and sardines, and England get Joey Barton with his Google. But wait, because even Cantona had to go somewhere for the quote which established him as football's Philosopher King and Wikipedia assures me that Google wasn't around in 1995. He was actually helped by a Manchester security guard in formulating the Delphic utterance and the said security guard later confessed he meant herrings, not sardines. It just goes to show there's very little original thinking left in football nowadays, and for that reason we should give praise, not ridicule, to Barton. Except it is difficult to do so when he embarks on one of his self-righteous crusades. Maybe he thinks of us all on our sofa, with iPhones shaking on sweating palms, absorbing the brutal honesty of his martyrdom. Maybe he doesn't think at all. Take Saturday evening's tweeted soliloquy. "Don't/haven't u realised over the last decade, I am at my best when u give me stick," he wrote, with the auto-correct turned off. "I continually make u eat ur words. Do urselves a favour... I find it humorous u haters think ur negativity and sniping will effect me. I don't want or need ur advice, praise, negativity... ...or any other thing u offer. U will never effect me. I am far to driven for u. Thanks for helping me be successful. I love u all xx" Has he really continually made us "eat ur words", or even to try to decipher his words? In 2007, as a 24-year-old, he was playing for England and now, five years on, he is playing for a team whose last major trophy was 45 years ago and who sit two points off the Premier League drop zone. So what "success" on Saturday emboldened Barton to cock a snook at his critics? QPR beat Wigan. At home. Of course, it is incredibly "successful" on Barton's behalf that someone is still willing to pay him £80,000 a week after a career in which he has served time in prison for assault, put out a cigarette on a team-mate's eyelid, been convicted for assaulting another team-mate and been involved in so many other controversies that the News of the World probably resisted hacking his mobile on the grounds they were scared of the workload. Naturally, it is Barton's footballing ability which has allowed him such longevity as still to be in gainful employment at 29. His "victim" mentality doesn't allow him to look at the "what-could-have-beens" from the negative perspective. He could be playing for Arsenal, but instead he sees it as he could be scratching out lottery tickets on a council estate. How do you argue with that mindset? You don't. You just sit back and consider it and, if you must, pour scorn upon it. Barton has found his perfect home in Twitterland, a place where he receives the requisite insults to allow him to go all Gloria Gaynor on a keyboard. Twitter is driven by "negativity" and "sniping" and, if it wasn't, then the right-sided midfielder of the 16th-best team in the Premier League wouldn't have more than 1.1 million followers; he'd have fewer than 70,000, like his team-mate Jay Bothroyd who, incidentally, also has one cap for England. Barton is like the masochist who runs into the asylum and then moans when all the inmates give him attitude. He is the ultimate creature of Twitter as he claims not to give a damn what anyone thinks and then ultimately invites them to tell him what they think. And meanwhile the belligerence grows, as does the belief that a world which gives him a king's salary is against him. Yet he's not Jesus on a hill in ancient Jerusalem. He's Joey in Shepherd's Bush. But then, nobody can claim he isn't entertaining, especially when he doesn't follow through one of his "arguments" and calls Neil Warnock, the manager who bought him and made him captain, "Mike Bassett". Who does that make Joey Barton – Gary Wackett? Granted, every now and again, when his high horse is bent down for much-deserved refreshment, he forgets his own sacrifice to grant us some real insight. Joey told us from personal experience that Stéphane Sessègnon "makes Sunderland tick" and then Match of the Day confirmed it. Joey went on to tweet what Nietzsche said, something MOTD also confirmed. "The demand to be loved is the greatest of all arrogant presumptions." And the demand to be hated is right up there as well. www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/jamie-corrigan-joey-barton--beyond-good-and-eviland-comprehension-but-not-without-reason-6293191.html Gotta love the Indepentent, the Grauniad with proper spelling. 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Post by kilburnhoop on Jan 23, 2012 13:51:43 GMT
did you watch the game rory? yes I did, first half he was great I thought but he got his passing a bit wrong after the break. Generally though I thought he played well. Still want him out ASAP though, it feels like he is disrespecting the club and the fans while he wears the blue and white hoops. On the opta stats he covered more ground than other player on the pitch 5.65 miles  |
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Post by alfaranger on Jan 23, 2012 13:56:25 GMT
yes I did, first half he was great I thought but he got his passing a bit wrong after the break. Generally though I thought he played well. Still want him out ASAP though, it feels like he is disrespecting the club and the fans while he wears the blue and white hoops. On the opta stats he covered more ground than other player on the pitch 5.65 miles There was those 3 passes he did, almost in a row, where they were weighted slightly too heavy but they are the most difficult anyway arent they as they arent to anybodies feet but for players to run on to towards the bye line. If they had have come off........... |
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Post by hitman34 on Jan 23, 2012 14:00:39 GMT
yes! lets get rid of barton because he got warnock the sack, lets get rid of orr because he is bartons mate on twitter, lets get rid of buzz and smith because warnock was willing to let them go on a free during this window, lets get rid of dyer because he spilt the beans on the plans of buzz and smith, lets get rid of tarrabt as he did not want to stay at the club with warnock in charge.
in all seriousness though, do you see that it was not only barton but a much larger revolt going on behind the scenes that got warnock out.
am glad the majority of qpr fans are not like this message board who want to make a scape goat out of one individual.
as for harry thinking that barton was shit on saturday, looooooooooooool
"he can tweet what he wants, he can tweet what he wants"
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Post by alfaranger on Jan 23, 2012 14:04:06 GMT
yes! lets get rid of barton because he got warnock the sack, lets get rid of orr because he is bartons mate on twitter, lets get rid of buzz and smith because warnock was willing to let them go on a free during this window, lets get rid of dyer because he spilt the beans on the plans of buzz and smith, lets get rid of tarrabt as he did not want to stay at the club with warnock in charge. in all seriousness though, do you see that it was not only barton but a much larger revolt going on behind the scenes that got warnock out. am glad the majority of qpr fans are not like this message board who want to make a scape goat out of one individual. as for harry thinking that barton was shit on saturday, looooooooooooool "he can tweet what he wants, he can tweet what he wants" Are you sure you're not Joey Barton, Hitman? |
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 23, 2012 14:07:52 GMT
First:
Long before Barton was crowing about Warnock, there was a lot of discontent about Barton tweeting.
And long before Barton was tweeting about Warnock, there was a lot of discontent about how Barton was performing as player and captain at QPR.
as for Barton and Tweeting: Hughes may saying this now. I imagine very soon, either publicly or privately, Hughes will be telling Barton to tone down the tweeting. (Assuming Barton is still with us)
We paid a fortune (are paying a fortune) for Barton. The question is not whether he's good enough for our starting XI. That's a no brainer. The real question is whether he's contributing as much we hoped and paid for.
The rest of your points are not really serious so why bother: But just re Taarabt: It was under Warnock that Taarabt shined...And for the longest time, Warnock was his protector. Taarabt staying or leaving was never primarily about QPR. But about Taarabt.
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Post by kempton ranger on Jan 23, 2012 14:08:20 GMT
On the opta stats he covered more ground than other player on the pitch 5.65 miles There was those 3 passes he did, almost in a row, where they were weighted slightly too heavy but they are the most difficult anyway arent they as they arent to anybodies feet but for players to run on to towards the bye line. If they had have come off........... Alfa I remember those passes , one of which was for the overlapping run for Clint hill. Say no more! If Traore was playing he would have caught up with the ball. I did laugh when I see hills face when running back into position. Lol |
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Post by haqpr1963 on Jan 23, 2012 14:09:48 GMT
lets get rid of dyer because he spilt the beans on the plans of buzz and smith
I was with you until then.
So Mike says lets keep Dyer in the 25.............. ;D
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Post by hitman34 on Jan 23, 2012 14:12:22 GMT
First: Long before Barton was crowing about Warnock, there was a lot of discontent about Barton tweeting. And long before Barton was tweeting about Warnock, there was a lot of discontent about how Barton was performing as player and captain at QPR. as for Barton and Tweeting: Hughes may saying this now. I imagine very soon, either publicly or privately, Hughes will be telling Barton to tone down the tweeting. (Assuming Barton is still with us) We paid a fortune (are paying a fortune) for Barton. The question is not whether he's good enough for our starting XI. That's a no brainer. The real question is whether he's contributing as much we hoped and paid for. The rest of your points are not really serious so why bother: But just re Taarabt: It was under Warnock that Taarabt shined...And for the longest time, Warnock was his protector. Taarabt staying or leaving was never primarily about QPR. But about Taarabt. this whole thread is not serious mac. how about we give barton a chance under the new PROFFESIONAL management like we have done with swp and buzz and smith instead of ahhhhhh whats the point. carry on as you were but know one thing, i may be a minority on this message board but this message board is a minority of all qpr fans when it comes to wanting barton out. |
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 23, 2012 14:17:40 GMT
You may be right...May not be right...
But everyone and every board has to dance to its own tune!
And more seriously, very few of us - "even" on this board - want Barton out now...
But I don't think too many fans would be shattered if he left us in the summer - if he was replaced with someone better.
And, if you ask most fans, I think most fans feel if we'd have been able to get Parker instead of Barton, we'd have done better
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Post by hitman34 on Jan 23, 2012 14:19:52 GMT
You may be right...May not be right... But everyone and every board has to dance to its own tune! And more seriously, very few of us - "even" on this board - want Barton out now... But I don't think too many fans would be shattered if he left us in the summer - if he was replaced with someone better. And, if you ask most fans, I think most fans feel if we'd have been able to get Parker instead of Barton, we'd have done better i agree. not sure about the last sentence though, uder the previous manager with his lack of tactics and fitness levels, i dont think ANY player would have made much of a difference. agree with you about the rest though. |
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 23, 2012 14:29:08 GMT
When did you first realize Warnock was no good for QPR? This season? Last season? When we first appointed him?
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Post by alfaranger on Jan 23, 2012 14:32:36 GMT
First: Long before Barton was crowing about Warnock, there was a lot of discontent about Barton tweeting. And long before Barton was tweeting about Warnock, there was a lot of discontent about how Barton was performing as player and captain at QPR. as for Barton and Tweeting: Hughes may saying this now. I imagine very soon, either publicly or privately, Hughes will be telling Barton to tone down the tweeting. (Assuming Barton is still with us) We paid a fortune (are paying a fortune) for Barton. The question is not whether he's good enough for our starting XI. That's a no brainer. The real question is whether he's contributing as much we hoped and paid for. The rest of your points are not really serious so why bother: But just re Taarabt: It was under Warnock that Taarabt shined...And for the longest time, Warnock was his protector. Taarabt staying or leaving was never primarily about QPR. But about Taarabt. this whole thread is not serious mac. how about we give barton a chance under the new PROFFESIONAL management like we have done with swp and buzz and smith instead of ahhhhhh whats the point. carry on as you were but know one thing, i may be a minority on this message board but this message board is a minority of all qpr fans when it comes to wanting barton out. I am not going to defend Mac as he's capable of doing so himself. I am going to defend me as a part time contributer to this board. I am not one of those that has called for Joey's head and I am on your side on this one. My (few) posts about Joey have been positive or in his defence. Besides me a number of other posts have been positive as well so we arent, as a board, scrabbling for revenge over, and this is how you see it, Warnocks sacking. We have basically left this behind. We are ALL behind Mark and OUR team and thats your team too. We are all pleased to debate issues contoversial or not here and I think we handle it pretty well. It seems though that you come on here attempting to polarise us. You must be all Neil Warnock and belong to Neil Warnock FC is how you put it (and thats a bit of an insult really) or belong to Mark Hughes at QPR which is how you attempt to portray it. We are ALL QPR mate, every one of us and your views however much SOME of them might be in a minority are as welcome as anybody elses in my view. |
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Post by hitman34 on Jan 23, 2012 14:39:22 GMT
When did you first realize Warnock was no good for QPR? This season? Last season? When we first appointed him? i would say, after the grand old duke lead sheff utd to the top of the hill and lead them down again, and blaming tevez for his relegation looool, of course it had nothing to do with the waste of money that he spent or the lack of tactics. it was all tevez fault over the 38 odd games. thats when i realized he was a good, "pub" championship manager. |
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Post by hitman34 on Jan 23, 2012 14:42:05 GMT
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Post by haqpr1963 on Jan 23, 2012 14:43:29 GMT
When did you first realize Warnock was no good for QPR? This season? Last season? When we first appointed him? i would say, after the grand old duke lead sheff utd to the top of the hill and lead them down again, and blaming tevez for his relegation looool, of course it had nothing to do with the waste of money that he spent or the lack of tactics. it was all tevez fault over the 38 odd games. thats when i realized he was a good, "pub" championship manager. So did you back him last season? Did you immediatly call for his sacking as soon as we made it to the Prem? Did you question his signings or his tactics before he was sacked? Did you question the previous owners when they were here? Just want to know....... |
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Post by hitman34 on Jan 23, 2012 14:46:07 GMT
as for saying " we are all behind our team" that is a bold statment when you speak on behalf of everyone on here, you only have to look at the swp and bothroyd threads to see the ammount of abuse they are getting, along with people on here last week saying that they are going to boo barton on saturday. i would retract that statment as it is inaccurate alf.
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 23, 2012 14:49:12 GMT
I think if you go back, you'll find the opposite: That the concept of booing Barton was denounced by almost all of us. Including those of us who have been critcizing Barton.
As for your view about Warnock. I guess if we'd followed you as not wanting him from the beginning, we'd very possibly be playing Brentford or Barnet now.
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Post by hitman34 on Jan 23, 2012 14:49:58 GMT
haqpr
1, yes
2, no. i gave him two months in the prem and started calling for his head last october and was shouted down by everyone because of it.
3, yes
4, yes but was greatful that they stepped in to save our club from oblivion which some people on here tend to forget.
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Post by hitman34 on Jan 23, 2012 14:51:47 GMT
or we could be sitting comfortably in mid table mac. if we followed you we would probably be rock bottom this week.
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Post by alfaranger on Jan 23, 2012 14:55:54 GMT
as for saying " we are all behind our team" that is a bold statment when you speak on behalf of everyone on here, you only have to look at the swp and bothroyd threads to see the ammount of abuse they are getting, along with people on here last week saying that they are going to boo barton on saturday. i would retract that statment as it is inaccurate alf. As for 'our team', I mean QPR so if it pleases you I will change the word team to QPR. QPR is of course made up of many players, some good, some not so good and their performances vary. So whilst some might be abusing some players some of the time I am sure they are all behind the team all of the time as it is unusual for anyone to wish their team to lose to 'prove' a point. Just to point out that I defended Joey against the booing on this board as I know you did as we both wanted the team to win. |
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 23, 2012 14:56:25 GMT
I can accept a very valid case for replacing Warnock with Hughes. Even if maybe I wouldnt have.
But to belittle his contribution last season, and the season before is just incredible.
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Post by hitman34 on Jan 23, 2012 15:00:27 GMT
"it is unusual for anyone to wish their team to lose to 'prove' a point."
sometimes you have to lose a battle to win a war.
the war is now won and the imovable object has been moved on, and i believe "QPR" are better off for it.
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Post by hitman34 on Jan 23, 2012 15:06:15 GMT
I can accept a very valid case for replacing Warnock with Hughes. Even if maybe I wouldnt have. But to belittle his contribution last season, and the season before is just incredible. where have i belittled his accomplishments last season mac? i stated he is a very good championship manager? i thanked him on the warnock thread for everything last season. he done everything that was expected of him plus he had a "BONUS" 5 months in the premier league. to be honest i think i have been quite generous to him. i wanted him out from october but did not shout about it till december. i think i showed alot of respect to someone that has not got the ability at this level and gave him ample time to prove me wrong. dont you think? |
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 23, 2012 15:07:20 GMT
I asked you when you realized you didn't want him. You went on about his time at Sheff Ut. Maybe I misunderstood. If so apologies. Maybe you misunderstood me.
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