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Post by harlowranger on Jan 6, 2012 23:39:12 GMT
TF Knew exactly what he was doing , at the end of the day hes a businessman a shrewd one at that , he doesnt want to fail at anything , hes putting a lot of money and time in why shouldnt he be concerned .
Think the Wigan game holds the Key , if we lose at Newcastle where they sit its sort of half expected but if we lost the Wigan one or even draw is now a bad result the pressure then would be threefold to what it is now in my opinion and it would be 10 games without a win .
I think deep down NW knows he has to win one of the next two games !
I bet Flavio and Bernie would have removed a Manager with 5 games without a win , we all thought he would gone by Nov /Dec if they were in charge .
A bit of pressure on now , the players will be picking up on the tweets hope it doesnt affect them in any way !
NW really is a Man under real pressure , lets hope he can handle it and come through it, he deserves his chance!
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Jan 6, 2012 23:45:48 GMT
from this position we are at now, and warnock stayed on and secured our survival would we contemplate a replacement still?
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Post by alfaranger on Jan 6, 2012 23:51:51 GMT
from this position we are at now, and warnock stayed on and secured our survival would we contemplate a replacement still? Thats the opposite question to the one dsqpr posted |
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Post by harlowranger on Jan 6, 2012 23:53:08 GMT
No of course not he set out to keep us up 17th and thats what he must do !
Anything else is a failure in my eyes with the monies he will have had no real excuses !
He will have had more money than probably 6-10 Clubs !
Money isnt everything in football but no excuses !
If we go down i would possibly think of a replacement then , otherwise if NW gets promotion in 1/2 years whats to say it wouldnt happen again .
Not sure what Manager you could get in that position , one to get you promoted and one to keep you up , if its going to be English - Curbishley for me.
Kept Charlton in the top flight for about 7 seasons on no great budget ,but thats an argument for another day , lets see what he can do with 18 games to go !
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Post by alfaranger on Jan 6, 2012 23:59:16 GMT
There may be money available but the point is he's not had a good chance of using it. He had 8 days to panic buy what was left in the shops after the sales. He cant use any of the money between then and 6 days ago. Some posters are saying he shouldnt be allowed to use any of the money now. On that basis he would have had 8 days of money in the summer to buy what was left on the shelf after everyone else had had their pick.
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Jan 7, 2012 0:06:18 GMT
from this position we are at now, and warnock stayed on and secured our survival would we contemplate a replacement still? Thats the opposite question to the one dsqpr posted yeah i know, but i didnt make a bloody poll about it |
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Post by harlowranger on Jan 7, 2012 0:10:19 GMT
There may be money available but the point is he's not had a good chance of using it. He had 8 days to panic buy what was left in the shops after the sales. He cant use any of the money between then and 6 days ago. Some posters are saying he shouldnt be allowed to use any of the money now. On that basis he would have had 8 days of money in the summer to buy what was left on the shelf after everyone else had had their pick. At the end of day he got 5 quality Players in , far superior than our other promotion rivals and 5 players quite a few other mid table teams would have taken . Fully get the gist of he had only eight days and he should be allowed to spend now on the players he wants and i expect most will be good ones as hes a good judge of player . At the end of game 38 if we go down with the team we have , a bl--dy good one , we have failed sorry , even more so if Norwich and Swansea both stay up ! Now he gets some players and he gets stuck in ,we get as many points as we can and hopefully we can and stay up , if we go down its not a total disaster but i'm not yet 100% convinced hes the man to take us forward again if we fail after the backing we have had this year , probably harsh and wrong but thats just how i see it ! Fans should not be giving NW a tough time now though its not the time to , let him get on with his job until May! |
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Jan 7, 2012 0:17:57 GMT
thats my view as well H ,
end of the season if we go down then i will give him a standing ovation and say thanks for 1 and a half seasons of success and a good effort in the prem.
end of season if he keeps us up then i will be looking forward to warnock staying in charge.
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Post by nomar on Jan 7, 2012 0:25:15 GMT
What you have to start realizing is that, as harsh as it may seem, what Warnock did last season is pretty much irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
That was then and then is now.
The League table doesn't look at you and say, 'are you struggling for points this season? Ah well, you did really well last season, so here you are have a few extra points on us!'.
That Warnock did well last year has absolutely no baring on whether we are going to stay up now. It's not like a credit card we can pull out in cases of emergency and use it as some form of currency to bargain our way out of trouble. It cannot win us any games and it cannot gain us any points.
Its history.
The only criteria he is going to be judged on is what he is doing now. And what he is doing now is losing games, not picking up points and sliding down the table.
If you were underperforming in your job to the extent that you were now standing to lose your boss tens millions of pounds-his own money- do you really think that he's going to be giving a toss about what you did 12 months ago for a different employer?
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Post by harlowranger on Jan 7, 2012 0:27:19 GMT
Lets all hope he does it , going to be tough getting more than 17 points from 18 games when we could only get 17 from 20 games , 34 wont be enough , funny feeling 38 could do the trick this year , 6 wins , 3 draws , and 9 losses , seems do able , get on with it Neil its a piece of p1ss.  But thenif you right of the big six games as all losses , it would mean we have to pick points up from 9 of the twelve games , 2 losses against Newcastle and Wigan and its almost impossible . After Newcastle v QPR , Wolves will have played Chelsea and Spurs twice , when we still have to play all six ! If he did keep us up this year , i honestly think we could be a mid table team for a few seasons ! |
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Jan 7, 2012 0:35:44 GMT
What you have to start realizing is that, as harsh as it may seem, what Warnock did last season is pretty much irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. That was then and then is now. The League table doesn't look at you and say, 'are you struggling for points this season? Ah well, you did really well last season, so here you are have a few extra points on us!'. That Warnock did well last year has absolutely no baring on whether we are going to stay up now. It cannot win us any games and it cannot gain us any points. Its history. The only criteria he is going to be judged on is what he is doing now. And what he is doing now is losing games, not picking up points and sliding down the table. If you were underperforming in your job to the extent that you were now standing to lose him tens millions of pounds do you really think that he's going to be giving a toss about what you did 12 months ago for a different employer? what i have to start realizing? i've followed QPR for 38 years, i'm sure i've realized a lot in that time. |
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Post by cpr on Jan 7, 2012 0:39:02 GMT
What you have to start realizing is that, as harsh as it may seem, what Warnock did last season is pretty much irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. That was then and then is now. The League table doesn't look at you and say, 'are you struggling for points this season? Ah well, you did really well last season, so here you are have a few extra points on us!'. That Warnock did well last year has absolutely no baring on whether we are going to stay up now. It's not like a credit card we can pull out in cases of emergency and use it as some form of currency to bargain our way out of trouble. It cannot win us any games and it cannot gain us any points. Its history. The only criteria he is going to be judged on is what he is doing now. And what he is doing now is losing games, not picking up points and sliding down the table. If you were underperforming in your job to the extent that you were now standing to lose your boss tens millions of pounds-his own money- do you really think that he's going to be giving a toss about what you did 12 months ago for a different employer? We're 17th, what was the aim for this season? Even after a massive slump, we're not in the bottom three but don't worry, no other clubs will suffer a slump will they! |
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Post by Bushman on Jan 7, 2012 0:39:54 GMT
What you have to start realizing is that, as harsh as it may seem, what Warnock did last season is pretty much irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. That was then and then is now. The League table doesn't look at you and say, 'are you struggling for points this season? Ah well, you did really well last season, so here you are have a few extra points on us!'. That Warnock did well last year has absolutely no baring on whether we are going to stay up now. It cannot win us any games and it cannot gain us any points. Its history. The only criteria he is going to be judged on is what he is doing now. And what he is doing now is losing games, not picking up points and sliding down the table. If you were underperforming in your job to the extent that you were now standing to lose him tens millions of pounds do you really think that he's going to be giving a toss about what you did 12 months ago for a different employer? what i have to start realizing? i've followed QPR for 38 years, i'm sure i've realized a lot in that time. What ever has been realised can we do it with an s and not the American z  |
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Post by londonranger on Jan 7, 2012 0:46:13 GMT
Since I have dual nationality I will use s or z according to how I am feeling at the time. ie Brit or Yank This post by my dear Bushman smacks of Nationalism  |
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Jan 7, 2012 0:46:31 GMT
what i have to start realizing? i've followed QPR for 38 years, i'm sure i've realized a lot in that time. What ever has been realised can we do it with an s and not the American z bloody spell checker |
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Post by alfaranger on Jan 7, 2012 0:50:50 GMT
There may be money available but the point is he's not had a good chance of using it. He had 8 days to panic buy what was left in the shops after the sales. He cant use any of the money between then and 6 days ago. Some posters are saying he shouldnt be allowed to use any of the money now. On that basis he would have had 8 days of money in the summer to buy what was left on the shelf after everyone else had had their pick. At the end of day he got 5 quality Players in , far superior than our other promotion rivals and 5 players quite a few other mid table teams would have taken . Fully get the gist of he had only eight days and he should be allowed to spend now on the players he wants and i expect most will be good ones as hes a good judge of player . At the end of game 38 if we go down with the team we have , a bl--dy good one , we have failed sorry , even more so if Norwich and Swansea both stay up ! Now he gets some players and he gets stuck in ,we get as many points as we can and hopefully we can and stay up , if we go down its not a total disaster but i'm not yet 100% convinced hes the man to take us forward again if we fail after the backing we have had this year , probably harsh and wrong but thats just how i see it ! Fans should not be giving NW a tough time now though its not the time to , let him get on with his job until May! The five quality players were still left after everyone had finished shopping. Mid table (or any clubs) had left them there and bought other players for one reason or another. Norwich and Swansea spent money and could have bought some of those players but didnt. There has been a lot of criticism on this board rightly or wrongly in respect of 2 of those quality players and the defensive trio although attracting less criticism has nevertheless been criticised roundly in a more anonymous way by lumping them all together as 'the defence' which is generally recognised as not good enough. My point, after all that rambling, is that NW would have done better given equal opportunity on the transfer market as far as time is concerned. There are a lot of other facets of course and as I said on another thread, I am no apologist for NW. |
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Post by alfaranger on Jan 7, 2012 0:55:32 GMT
At the end of day he got 5 quality Players in , far superior than our other promotion rivals and 5 players quite a few other mid table teams would have taken . Fully get the gist of he had only eight days and he should be allowed to spend now on the players he wants and i expect most will be good ones as hes a good judge of player . At the end of game 38 if we go down with the team we have , a bl--dy good one , we have failed sorry , even more so if Norwich and Swansea both stay up ! Now he gets some players and he gets stuck in ,we get as many points as we can and hopefully we can and stay up , if we go down its not a total disaster but i'm not yet 100% convinced hes the man to take us forward again if we fail after the backing we have had this year , probably harsh and wrong but thats just how i see it ! Fans should not be giving NW a tough time now though its not the time to , let him get on with his job until May! The five quality players were still left after everyone had finished shopping. Mid table (or any clubs) had left them there and bought other players for one reason or another. Norwich and Swansea spent money and could have bought some of those players but didnt. There has been a lot of criticism on this board rightly or wrongly in respect of 2 of those quality players and the defensive trio although attracting less criticism has nevertheless been criticised roundly in a more anonymous way by lumping them all together as 'the defence' which is generally recognised as not good enough. My point, after all that rambling, is that NW would have done better given equal opportunity on the transfer market as far as time is concerned. There are a lot of other facets of course and as I said on another thread, I am no apologist for NW. Actually, I've gone on a bit there Harlow. After rereading doesnt seem too relevant. |
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Post by Bushman on Jan 7, 2012 0:58:57 GMT
Since I have dual nationality I will use s or z according to how I am feeling at the time. ie Brit or Yank This post by my dear Bushman smacks of Nationalism Zorry london I did not mean it to zmack of Nationalizm   |
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Post by cpr on Jan 7, 2012 1:06:40 GMT
I guess that as a language is known by the country it comes from I guess that makes it the language of a nation. Most well or popular spoken languages, English, Spanish, French, Chinese for example have varying forms of each language but clearly, there is only one original language.
Lasynezz is no excuze faw getting it rong. ;D
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Post by nomar on Jan 7, 2012 1:58:17 GMT
What you have to start realizing is that, as harsh as it may seem, what Warnock did last season is pretty much irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. That was then and then is now. The League table doesn't look at you and say, 'are you struggling for points this season? Ah well, you did really well last season, so here you are have a few extra points on us!'. That Warnock did well last year has absolutely no baring on whether we are going to stay up now. It's not like a credit card we can pull out in cases of emergency and use it as some form of currency to bargain our way out of trouble. It cannot win us any games and it cannot gain us any points. Its history. The only criteria he is going to be judged on is what he is doing now. And what he is doing now is losing games, not picking up points and sliding down the table. If you were underperforming in your job to the extent that you were now standing to lose your boss tens millions of pounds-his own money- do you really think that he's going to be giving a toss about what you did 12 months ago for a different employer? We're 17th, what was the aim for this season? Even after a massive slump, we're not in the bottom three but don't worry, no other clubs will suffer a slump will they! Check the current performance index for the last 10 games and see where we are in that league. Look at where we were 11 games ago and look at where we are now. It's very possible that by the time we play Newcastle we will actually be in the bottom 3. Look at the last 9 games we have to play and tell me if you want to be playing those games in the bottom 3 and having to win most of them to save your season. Then pretend its your money, about £80m of it, that you stand to lose if we go down. If you're counting on the hope that 3 other teams managers are going to be a little bit more inept than yours to save you that's a pretty flimsy foundation to be staking your fortune on, isn't it? |
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 7, 2012 7:52:19 GMT
Sabotage Times
Are Neil Warnock’s QPR Destined To Become A Nearly Club?
By Raymond Snoddy
Though it's impossible not to acknowlege the great job that Neil Warnock has done getting QPR into the Premier League, one fan feels it may be time to start asking more questions of the gaffer before the transfer window shuts.With the greatest respect and humility it is time to have a quiet word – if quiet is possible – in the ear of the QPR manager Neil Warnock. The January transfer window is open, QPR is, after a decent start to life in the Premership, nestling just a single point above the dreadful drop zone. A serious question now has to be asked, even though it was Warnock who almost single-handedly dragged the club out of the Championship despite malign interference by the then owners Bernie Ecclestone and Flavio Briatore. Lest there be any doubt QPR fans retain both admiration and support for Warnock and remember that even at the 6-0 debacle at Craven Cottage we still sang: “There is only one Neil Warnock.” That has not changed nor will it. The problem is that QPR are in danger of becoming a “nearly” club – nearly good enough to get a draw with Manchester City, nearly good enough to beat West Brom and nearly good enough to get points against Norwich – twice. The serious question is whether Neil Warnock is about to place too much emphasis on being able to buy his way out of trouble in the January sales, in the search for the new. By definition the players you get in the winter transfer window are surplus to someone else’s requirements and might not be better than those you have already. At a pivotal time in the season there is also the danger that new arrivals, if there are too many of them, will cause disruption and distraction for some of the crucial weeks ahead. The serious question is whether Neil Warnock is about to place too much emphasis on being able to buy his way out of trouble in the January sales, in the search for the new. Neither Swansea nor Norwich have flooded their teams with hordes of new arrivals and they have managed to lodge themselves in mid-table security despite being behind QPR in last season’s championship. Look what Martin O’Neill has done at Sunderland with the same old crew. Of course Warnock may pull off another magic trick and attract new talent without destablising the team. Frederico Macheda, on loan from Manchester United, looked strong, fast and purposeful in his first 10 minutes on the Loftus Road pitch against Norwich. The trouble is that the first influx of new talent, despite the big name profiles with fancy salaries to match, haven’t exactly set the world alight. Warnock shows signs of being addicted to the new and shiny while forcing members of the existing team to the margins or worse. The record shows that Shaun-Wright Phillips despite attractive mazy runs has still failed to score a single goal- apart from a legitimate strike that was wrongly ruled offside. Jay Bothroyd, probably hired because of the spectacular goal he scored for Cardiff against QPR last season, has produced nothing like it in the Premiership and has yet to open his tally. Jason Puncheon has returned to Southampton after a couple of minor and inconsequential substitute appearances. Kieron Dyer? Well everyone knew that was a bit of a punt. The Premiership’s unluckiest player lasted just six minutes in the opening game and is now out for the rest of the season. At least QPR has had the decency to stand by him beyond the obligations of contract. Meanwhile there was not even a squad number for Hogan Ephraim, Clint Hill was gone but had to be recalled from loan, and what do you make of how Tommy Smith has been treated? He scored a brilliant winning goal against Everton – and where would QPR be now without those three points – but he has since been exiled to bit substitute parts usually in the last few minutes of games when the score-line is already against The Hoops. There were always doubts about whether Joey Barton really is a reformed character. Talented certainly but a lot of his passing has been wayward at best and unfortunate that he should celebrate his first goal for QPR by, to put it at its very mildest, deciding to place himself in the way of danger by agreeing to Tango with Bradley Johnston of Norwich. Danny Gabbidon? Probably worth his corn but the only unambiguous successes of the new era so far are Anton Ferdinand, Luke Young and Armand Traore. No man could have done more than Warnock to try to channel the obvious talent of the egotistical, eccentric Taarabt, the player who did more than any other to win promotion for the R’s. And then again what about the mercurial Adel Taarabt? No man could have done more than Warnock to try to channel the obvious talent of the egotistical, eccentric Taarabt, the player who did more than any other to win promotion for the R’s. Yet after making a poor fist of his first games in the Premiership, getting the bus at halftime during the Fulham game and “losing his passport” and going AWOL after a Morocco international, Warnock seemed to give up on Taarabt. Not clever. Taarabt’s recent, rather belated re-introduction to the team has led to some impressive performances with the promise of more to come, just in time to mark his disappearance by the end of the month to Qatar if not Paris St Germain. No QPR fan will turn down Andy Johnson or Alex from Chelsea but Neil Warnock has to sit down quietly and work out his best survival squad and stick with them. And that squad should be made up of a judicious mixture of old and new – and that mixture should include Smith, Akos Buzsaky, possibly even Ephraim but certainly 34-year-old Heidar Helguson without whose goals QPR might be as good as relegated already. It’s not too late to turn things round but the time for excuses of all kinds is rapidly running out. The danger is that QPR will become known as the talented team with a tremendous manager in Neil Warnock and a splendid owner in Tony Fernandez which ever so nearly survived in the Premier League. Raymond Snoddy Raymond Snoddy OBE is a British journalist, television presenter, author and media commentator. He is currently best known for presenting the BBC News Channel\'s weekly viewer right to reply programme NewsWatch, but also writes for a number of publications on issues relating to the news industry. www.sabotagetimes.com/football-sport/are-neil-warnocks-qpr-destined-to-become-a-nearly-club/?
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Post by Markqpr on Jan 7, 2012 9:47:44 GMT
unfortunate that he should celebrate his first goal for QPR by, to put it at its very mildest, deciding to place himself in the way of danger by agreeing to Tango with Bradley Johnston of Norwich. Why did he wait to celebrate the goal he scored against Wolves on the 17th September 2011 until the 2nd Jan 2012?  There is nothing like an informed, well written piece of journalism. Now if only I could find some.  |
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jan 7, 2012 10:55:32 GMT
unfortunate that he should celebrate his first goal for QPR by, to put it at its very mildest, deciding to place himself in the way of danger by agreeing to Tango with Bradley Johnston of Norwich. Why did he wait to celebrate the goal he scored against Wolves on the 17th September 2011 until the 2nd Jan 2012? There is nothing like an informed, well written piece of journalism. Now if only I could find some. He also said that Bothoyd is yet to open his goal scoring tally at QPR, he's scored 2 goals FFS. Is that meant to be a QPR fan?? |
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 5, 2013 8:08:13 GMT
Our discussion a year ago....
Not to know a few days later.... The Axe
(which came after a Tweet from our beloved Chairman after the MK Dons Game: "Driving back to london. Lots to think about. Fongers crossed on Ali. Does not look as bad but we don't know till tmw. Been here before." Hang in there.
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 5, 2013 8:14:29 GMT
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