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Post by Roller on Jul 7, 2019 9:53:14 GMT
I expect many will go out on loan. So do I, and to paraphrase Ricky, the club have become very good about keeping their potential dealings quiet so we will just have to wait to find out who and where.
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Post by Roller on Jul 7, 2019 9:47:04 GMT
No Wheeler either, as I thought we will be saying goodbye to both before we give away for free. No Kakay either So that's a squad of 25. With maybe 2-3 more to come in, it doesn't look as bloated as it did Ha ha. If you leave a handful of names off the list it won't look as bloated! I suspect they will still want their wages though.....
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Post by Roller on Jul 7, 2019 9:38:51 GMT
Bow I totally agree on Les, however those loans were not a reaction to our poor start. David McIntyre was reporting on Wells and Hemed as early as 10th August when we were only 1 match into the new season and over a week before our drubbing at West Brom. Pre-season McClaren had been rueing the fact that Chris Martin was injured and that we had too many number 10s, too many number 8s, but lacked a defensive midfielder. These were always part of the plan for that season and, I suspect, part of McClaren's terms for taking over. www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/football-burnley-nahki-wells-brighton-tomer-hemed-latest-100818
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Post by Roller on Jul 7, 2019 9:25:38 GMT
There is a fair bit of interest from Championship clubs looking to take Bowler on loan next season. www.teamtalk.com/news/exclusive-middlesbrough-lead-chase-for-highly-rated-everton-wingerEXCLUSIVE: Middlesbrough lead chase for highly-rated Everton winger Everton are set to hand highly-rated winger Josh Bowler a new long-term contract before sending him out on a season-long loan to the Championship. And TEAMtalk understands that Jonathan Woodgate’s Middlesbrough are leading the chase for the 20-year-old, although Derby County, Hull City and Sheffield Wednesday are also very keen on the youngster. Everton snapped up Bowler from Queens Park Rangers in 2017 and he has progressed through their youth system, and the club now want him to spend next season in the Championship before returning to Goodison Park. New Boro boss Jonathan Woodgate is understood to be looking for at least a couple of wingers during this transfer window and Bowler, who can play on either flank, is a player they are very keen on. Bowler, whose contract expires next summer, made three appearances for the U23 side in the EFL Trophy last season, scoring once and he helped David Unsworth’s side to Premier League 2 league and cup double. He is yet to make a senior appearance for Everton, following his £4.25million, including add-ons, transfer from Queens Park Rangers, two years ago, but he has impressed for the U23s.
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Post by Roller on Jul 6, 2019 9:42:24 GMT
If we sign Cameron then it would be to play centre back. That's his natural position where he played 150+ premier league games for Stoke. Although he did well as a defensive midfielder under McLaren, I think we need him at centre back with Leister (who might still leave?) and Berbel. Hall can't be relied upon yet due to injuries, so we still need another solid and reliable player for that position in my view. I've seen a few posts on message boards speculating that Leistner may leave, but am not aware of anything remotely solid beneath it. We have Hall, Furlong, Masterson and Ball as cover, I'm happy with that. But then I wouldn't have signed two midfielders on loan either......
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Post by Roller on Jul 6, 2019 9:34:44 GMT
I was just trying to name our starting eleven as things currently stand - with the exception of a striker. I'd go with a 4-2-3-1, but even then the only name I could write down with total confidence would be Wallace. I’d expect Smith and Amos to be in it, but after those it could be anyone.
Kelly
Furlong – Leistner – Barbet – Wallace
Smith – Amos
BOS – Eze – Chair
Ronaldo
Those two loans in midfield are now starting to niggle; I want Manning to play.
We have a strong bench from what’s left: Lumley, Masterson, Ball, Manning, Scowen, Shodipo, Oteh(?).
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Post by Roller on Jul 6, 2019 8:58:32 GMT
This has been a hotchpotch of a transfer window to date. However, the first point to note has to be what a good job Lee Hoos has done in the last few seasons getting our finances into order. We've signed far more players than I thought possible and with every indication that we've not finished yet regardless of how bloated the squad already looks.
I think that there are clearly some Warburton signings (such as Kelly, Wallace and Ball), but also some Ferdinand/Penrice ones (such as Masterson, Duncan, Smith and Amos). I'm not sure which category Barbet falls into but if pushed I plump for Penrice.
Rangel is an odd one for me. I've nothing against Rangel, but do we need him and Ball? Perhaps we signed Ball because we'd got vibes off Rangel that he was going elsewhere?
If we do sign Cameron however, that would annoy me. We've already got the two loans for midfield who are presumably intended to be in the starting eleven, adding Cameron to the mix would restrict the opportunities for our own emerging players to get on the pitch. This is not an argument about who is better, it is far more practical than that, we need these players to progress so that we can sell them in the coming seasons - it is the club's only viable business model. Eze has to play, Chair has to play, Osayi-Samuel has to play, and if I don't get to see little Smyth on the pitch from time to time I will have very little patience when we start to struggle.
I agree with Terry about loaning out Bettache, Dalling and Kakay but would add Hamaleinen, Phillips and a keeper to that list enabling us to keep all three goalies with a view to selling one next summer.
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Post by Roller on Jul 5, 2019 20:19:10 GMT
Up in R block close to the S block border in a group of seven, featuring all round good egg Ricky. Pint at some point again, Terry n Roller? Look forward to it Bow. If you meet us at the Defectors before a home game I'd keep it quiet from Simmo who has some deep seated pathological hatred of the place.
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Post by Roller on Jun 30, 2019 8:04:24 GMT
May be harsh but on a personal level I would say I don’t really rate Goss or even Wheeler that highly. As far as I am concerned, wouldn’t be overly worried by either of them finding new Clubs. I wouldn’t be that surprised if both left the Club but didn’t Goss go on loan to Rangers, im not sure Warburton was Manager at the time but must have seen his performances. Freeman and Luongo will really hurt when either go but I fully understand the restrictions. Hopefully we can get minimums of 6 M and 3 M respectively. Chair has a huge future, blew the season away at Stevenage, Manning and Smyth hopefully have big parts to play now. I've not seen enough of either player to make a judgment on them. The point I'm trying to make is that they are currently QPR players and we can't keep adding to the squad with impunity. I know that I keep banging this drum, but the coming season is going to be the toughest we face financially. Perhaps there are deals in the pipeline to move them on and I wouldn't lose a second's sleep if they went, but until that day comes their cost is very much part of the equation. As pessimistic as I am on this matter, I do have faith in Lee Hoos as a bean counter.
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Villa
Jun 30, 2019 5:49:49 GMT
Post by Roller on Jun 30, 2019 5:49:49 GMT
www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-villa-park-ffp-16504236"Villa Park sold their ground to their owners last month for £56m to avoid FFP. We tried to convert debt to equity and that failed. Presumably if we had sold our ground to Tune Group, things would have been very different." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I did read somewhere Ricky (LFW?) that the rules regarding selling your ground changed in 2016(?). Therefore, this would not have been permissable for when we breached FFP. I also think it is not an option now as I believe Tune Group wish to keep their "investment"/loss to a minimum. Selling our ground that season wouldn't have made much of a dent in that massive loss.
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Post by Roller on Jun 30, 2019 5:43:41 GMT
Would we really take both Smith and Amos on loan? I'd be OK about one, but not both. We have 2 midfielders exiting for fees so it’s natural to bring 2 replacements and I think Warburton has a reputation that means prem clubs would consider us a good destination and be more likely to subsidize the wages. We had a pretty bloated squad last season and have Chair, Smyth, Goss and Wheeler returning from loan spells. As with Terry, I can't see how we can afford both of them. In the coming season, we have to reduce our loss to remain within FFP while coping with a drop in income of around £12m.
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Post by Roller on Jun 29, 2019 13:38:11 GMT
Would we really take both Smith and Amos on loan? I'd be OK about one, but not both.
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Villa
Jun 29, 2019 13:34:05 GMT
Post by Roller on Jun 29, 2019 13:34:05 GMT
Thanks Ricky.
Apparently Sheffield Wednesday have done this as well.
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Post by Roller on Jun 21, 2019 19:54:31 GMT
I don’t think Freeman will go for £4m. Possibly £6-8M. I think we rejected a £5m bid last season according to someone on Twitter. If true, then it’s unlikely that we’d accept less now for him. I’ve never particularly been a great fan of our current Matt Smith, I think he makes us too one dimensional, but can’t fault his service to the club since we got him. Not sure how solid the Aneke rumours are, but Dave MacIntyre definitely believes the Hogan one is valid. Interesting times ahead for sure, though. Agree re: Freeman unless he has a buy out clause in his contract. Also agree re: Smith. I nicknamed him threepenny bit - not rhyming slang but because no one, including him, ever knew in which direction the ball would be coming off his head. Bizarrely he may also be our best shot at finding a 20 goal a season striker if we play to his strengths.
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Post by Roller on Jun 17, 2019 21:21:31 GMT
So how about Darnell Furlong Simon? Darnell signed a new contract back in August last year; we've got him for another couple of season.
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Post by Roller on Jun 17, 2019 19:37:26 GMT
Is that part of the scrubs owned by Hammersmith and Fulham or by the MOD? The council certainly are the trustees of The Wormwood Scrubs Charitable Trust and so need winning over, as do the Friends of Wormwood Scrubs. This is a very complicated plot of land - far more so than Warren Farm!
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Post by Roller on Jun 17, 2019 19:24:07 GMT
So far we've signed the two Scottish lads: goalkeeper Liam Kelly and left back Lee Wallace.
We've waved a fond, or not so fond, farewell to Joel Lynch, Jake Bidwell, Pawel Wszolek, Jordan Cousins and Alex Baptiste.
Grant Hall and Olamide Shodipo have had their contracts extended by a year.
Rangel Angel and Senny Dieng have been offered new deals, but there is no news on them.
It is worth remembering that most players' contracts do not end until 30th June. As that is the market we are operating in I'm not surprised that little has happened. Regardless of that, next season is going to be the toughest we face financially - anything more than survival next season should be regarded as a bonus.
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Post by Roller on Jun 8, 2019 16:09:38 GMT
Alan Mullery MBE and....Mark Hughes OBE You had to go and ruin it, didn't you......
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Post by Roller on Jun 8, 2019 12:59:25 GMT
Well deserved. How many other ex QPR managers have MBEs? Gordon Jago
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Post by Roller on Jun 7, 2019 18:20:57 GMT
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Post by Roller on May 26, 2019 9:20:56 GMT
It's like a combo of economics and jenga, with the press, agents and manager opinion all thrown in! I agree, but it shifts with the season. So RB may be three, but it could also be one depending on all sorts of things. If Furlong is used at CB, it's two and if Rangel tires or can't play, which is likely on occasion, it's one. And that 'one' is Kakay who for a lot of people the jury is still out on. Crux is that we've lost bodies out of a side that already had Wzsolek and Cousins covering full back roles multiple times. Or is Hall fit enough to pair with Leistner, freeing up the option of Furlong for his preferred RB slot...but if Freeman goes, does Scowen move further up the pitch and/or does Hall sit in front of the back four again in the way that Cameron did, meaning Furlong is best qualified to do that CB slot? Or maybe not as Chair ends up slotting in and Scowen and Luongo fetch n carry? Or maybe (imagine)...Freeman stays. The permutations are so confusing! Hamalainen is realistically the only 'natural' LB on the books as far as i can tell, but has been absolutely peripheral for ages - makes you realise just how consistently available Bidwell was. As you say, it's a very tough old season ahead. I imagine a lot of what we do will be determined by who's sold first. I think we are going to need to be very flexible this season. Furlong will be required to play at both fullback and centre back during the season (hopefully not at the same time!). Manning will probably fill a variety of positions too. It is not ideal, but financially this is going to be our most testing season and more sacrifices will have to be made.
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Post by Roller on May 26, 2019 8:23:37 GMT
It's in fact more than £31m because you have to discount the £50m lease payments. Probably more like £40m+ allowable profit You're almost spot on, their accounts state that selling and leasing back Pride Park Stadium created a gain of £39.9m which helped them to show an overall profit of £14.6m as opposed to their loss in 2016/17 of £7.9m.
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Post by Roller on May 25, 2019 20:55:14 GMT
On the London Prem loans I'd have agreed until seeing just how bonkers the loan market has been this season. Looking at the upcoming play-off final and the impact and cost of the loanees involved for Villa and Derby is scary. To steal a point from LFW/Clive, the days of being able to pop down the road for a Mancienne looking for game time are almost gone. Not sure I agree on full back. Not a knock on Rangel as he's got a role in the dressing room and being an experienced head in a team that's very light on those, but he was fit for about half of last season. He's not going to manage a full season and we've lost Wzsolek and Cousins who, while neither are full backs, both had to cover that position multiple times last season. That leaves Kakay and Furlong...if he doesn't head to CB. Bidwell is gone at left back - Manning could fit the mould considering the full backs Warbuton has liked in the past but again, not necessarily his best position. Hamalainnen I literally don't know, which is quite weird considering how long he's been on the books now. Part of this depends on whether Furlong shifts to CB or not. He insists it's not where he sees himself but it feels like it's an ideal role for him and is a great foil to Leistner, freeing him up to focus on the destroyer role he's best at, with Furlong quicker and better on the ball. But if he does, that's another player not playing at right back. It's all very interconnected I guess. It hinges on whether we buy a CB and/or where Warburton wants Furlong. I understand what you are saying re: the full backs, but if Rangel signs we have three options at right back (Furlong, Rangel, Kakay) and three at left back (Manning, Rangel and Hämäläinen). In my opinion that would make us ok there, we are far weaker in other positions. This upcoming season is going to be the toughest we face, other positions must take priority.
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Post by Roller on May 25, 2019 20:38:41 GMT
It would appear that the FFP regulations actual encourage this.
h) Excess proceeds on disposal of tangible fixed assets The profit on disposal of tangible fixed assets (including, but not limited to, a club’s stadium and training facilities) in a reporting period must be excluded from the break-even result with the following two exceptions:
i) If a tangible fixed asset other than a stadium or training facilities is not being replaced, then the profit on disposal recognised in the income statement can be taken into account as a relevant income up to:
the difference between the proceeds on disposal and the historical cost of the asset which was recognised as a tangible fixed asset in the financial statements of the reporting entity;
ii) If a club demonstrates that it is replacing a sold fixed asset, then the profit on disposal recognised in the income statement can be taken into account as a relevant income up to: ï‚·
the difference between the proceeds on disposal and the full cost of the replacement asset which is recognised, or to be recognised, as a tangible fixed asset in the financial statements of the reporting entity; ï‚·
the difference between the proceeds on disposal and the present value of 50 years’ minimum lease payments in respect of the replacement asset to be used by the club under a lease/rental arrangement.
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Post by Roller on May 25, 2019 14:42:01 GMT
I agree with Ricky that Ingram has to leave for his own sake. That maybe dependant on what Dieng does, but I wouldn't be concerned if Brzozowski was on the bench. We are certainly a central defender short, but should be ok at fullback if Rangel signs his deal. I've no concerns over our midfield, but await with interest as to what we do up front. I'd hate Smith to be our first choice forward. Apart from him not being very good, it forces us to a style of play that I'm not comfortable with. Hopefully Penrice has someone lined up and this time we act on it. Anything else may have to wait for the following season when we will have a little more money available.
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Post by Roller on May 25, 2019 14:26:24 GMT
On Derby, I had thought there was something in the rules that ignored transactions with related entities, which I am sure selling to Derby Chairman (directly or via a company he is related too) and then leasing back, would be a related transaction? However, it is not clear how much "profit" would have been made from selling the ground (it cost them a lot to build, some depreciation to date but woudl still have a high value on their books), as the ongoing rent payments (they must charge rent for it to be a fair transaction) would only increase their future costs. Any how, the rules are rubbish and financially as a club we have to live like we did in the 1990s. I think that the related parties clause only refers to ensuring that any transactions are at a fair value, so as long as the selling price was realistic there is no issue. I am surprised that it is allowed though considering that infrastructure development costs are excluded from FFP. With reference back to the op, the following statement is wrong: "Are we going to be the only club to accept a huge penalty and face years of austerity as a consequence?" We are not facing austerity as a consequence of accepting a huge penalty, anything to do with our FFP fine is excluded from future FFP calculations. The reason that we are living under tight budgets now is to ensure we stay within our current limits.
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Post by Roller on May 9, 2019 19:00:25 GMT
I wish him all the best in the job. My one worry is he gets these youngsters playing well and then sells them on, only to keep doing it the next season. I hate being a selling club, it just dont make sense to me. I know all the comebacks about our financial situation, it just seems like there is always an excuse. The club doesn't generate enough income from broadcasting rights, ticket sales and sponsorship etc to survive. What do you suggest they do instead of developing and selling players?
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Post by Roller on May 8, 2019 20:21:38 GMT
Harr, what about Gobern? Any news on him?
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Post by Roller on May 8, 2019 20:16:54 GMT
I've just watched his first interview on the club's website. He speaks well and seems to understand what is required.
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Post by Roller on May 7, 2019 18:46:21 GMT
Shodipo has signed a 1 year extension. Furlong signed a new contract around Christmas time. And they missed off Baptiste - Nice job Sky!
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