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Post by bowranger on Oct 24, 2020 15:29:02 GMT
Dykes for Willock (presume pre-planned cos of his injury?), Adomah off for Ball.
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Post by bowranger on Oct 24, 2020 15:13:27 GMT
Somehow BOS' shot headed off the line by Dean after a short corner routine.
Next corner, Dykes hits the bar after a downward header.
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Post by bowranger on Oct 24, 2020 14:49:01 GMT
Chair not involved, need Willock on for him a HT. Dykes and Bonne non-existence but not getting much service. I feel like Chair and Dykes have been busy, Bonne though I've barely noticed. Had a header in the box early on, can't think of him being on the ball since.
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Post by bowranger on Oct 24, 2020 14:40:03 GMT
Wallace off (ankle knock) for Niko...and BOS swapping boots. Fortuitous? Feel harsh but probably, yeah. Works out for all involved in a weird way.
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Post by bowranger on Oct 24, 2020 14:32:08 GMT
Wallace off (ankle knock) for Niko...and BOS swapping boots.
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Post by bowranger on Oct 24, 2020 14:14:53 GMT
Still haven't quite figured out the shape. It's effectively a back four, Cameron and then the proverbial kitchen sink.
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Post by bowranger on Oct 24, 2020 13:57:54 GMT
Positive that it's not both Cameron and Ball (though slightly surprised it's Cameron and not Ball for this one) - the two of them, against a team that is going to sit back and welcome us on would be too static I think.
Would have liked to have seen Hamalainen start. I guess the broader logic is you don't bomb Wallace out completely with a 'hard' drop and you don't put all the weight on Hamalainen's shoulders by having him parachuted in with the expectation of completely sorting it out. Ease him in.
Not sure on shape yet. I guess Bonne can play anywhere across the AM 3 or up top. But with BOS/Adomah suited to being out wide, it could be Dykes and Bonne as a front two...but would be quite the deviation from Warbs-ball.
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Post by bowranger on Oct 24, 2020 13:53:44 GMT
I think we had a 4-3 loss to Birmingham a year or two back when we were 4 Down, came back and we missed a Pen in injury time, was it Wells. Yeah was Wells who missed the pen at the death. God, that was absolutely crushing at that time. Tooth and nail to get back into that one.
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Post by bowranger on Oct 24, 2020 13:47:22 GMT
Same - I'm not at all sure what impact (if any) Reuben will have on the club. My main worry about this is that Newcastle is (allegedly) badly run. QPR was badly run - and then we got Lee Hoos and Les Ferdinand in. We are now (allegedly) well run. Will Reuben want to install Hoos and Ferdinand if he gets his hand on Newcastle?Excellent question - now I'm concerned a little. Newcastle will certainly be able to offer them both far more attractive salaries and life in the PL (for now). Plus Ferdinand did spend a couple of seasons at Newcastle and scored 41 goals in 68 games so getting him on board would no doubt be a massive positive in fan relationship terms. Plus if they feel they have achieved all they can at QPR a move to Newcastle could be very attractive as a new challenge. Lots of ifs and buts with the takeover being completed the major point Think it's a very different kinda job with a very different set of needs. Likes of Ferdinand have cut their teeth on football development and long term planning. All the talk at Newcastle is in its inherent potential - huge club in a one team city, just waiting on a board to invest heavily to bring back the glory days. Think whatever happens there is more likely to look like what happened at Wolves, rather than them in engaging with the root and branch operation that the likes of Ferdinand has implemented with Hoos here. Very different clubs with very different potential and skills required.
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Post by bowranger on Oct 23, 2020 8:34:37 GMT
I see Friends reffing has got no better whether it be in the Premiership or the Championship both pens were soft made a meal of by the players involved and Friend bought it and his reffing in the whole game left a lot to be desired enough said !!! Made a meal of, sure, but I still don't reckon Wallace needs to stick a leg out in either case to be honest. Strikers can ham it up but you don't give them the opportunity. Particularly the second one, the player is going nowhere, why give the ref a decision to make? Thought Friend was soft on Preston's dark arts, turning minor injuries into full blown squad meetings at the dugout, pissing about with set pieces etc. but he's not the first or the last allow them to get away with that annoyingly.
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Post by bowranger on Oct 22, 2020 20:57:54 GMT
Good deal I reckon, hopefully will continue to Improve. Hopefully BOS will be any day? Fingers crossed. Feels weird being 6 odd games in and not knowing what's occurring.
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Post by bowranger on Oct 22, 2020 18:11:31 GMT
Don't know why this about people being 'upset', everyone seems to just be sharing their opinion on the issue.
If someone posts a divisive opinion, that's fine. People are likely to debate it back. Long as no one is tarring anyone off, that's just a discussion. People disagreeing with part of your argument doesn't mean they're upset.
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Post by bowranger on Oct 22, 2020 14:55:47 GMT
Lets see what happens against Brum. Two penalties against us indicates defensive breakdowns. Not necessarily change of managers Just a suggestion. Maybe more in the mold of overall tactics and coaching. Still imo need a result against Brum. No idea who we would hire and who is available. That was not the intent of my post. To be fair you just posted that if we lose our next game without scoring, you'd be in favour of a managerial change. If the intent isn't to discuss who would then take that job on, what is it..? Unless we just don't have a manager.
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Post by bowranger on Oct 22, 2020 14:53:55 GMT
Change Warburton for who ? would be my question Yeah, I'd always be happy to hear who people reckon could do a better job in our system out of the available, affordable managers out there. Not a happy clapper for Warburton either but year on year improvement while slashing the budget, fulfilling the player development remit - I genuinely have no idea who comes into that. Either way, on a purely practical level, giving a manager a summer window with that level of upheaval then binning them off 6 or 7 games into the new season makes zero sense to me. Giving a manager the opportunity to shape that team within that remit then tearing it up just after has never worked for us. It rarely works for anyone. Maybe I'm thick but I can't look at the last two seasons, then a very mixed first 6 games and come to the conclusion that chucking the manager makes much sense to us, other than satisfying a vocal online minority who get off on us losing. I look at our side and I see a broadly young, very cheaply assembled set of players so far achieving mid-table Championship football - the one thing most people say they'd take from us right now. Doesn't mean it's all rosy and Warburton is the messiah, I think there's lots of ways we could and should improve. But changing the manager without an alternative plan doesn't help much. If we want to change, then it assumes we're underachieving. Where is it, based on 6 games, people think we should be if we're at the point we want a big ol' upheaval?
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Post by bowranger on Oct 22, 2020 12:37:25 GMT
That was taken whilst he was watching last night's game. Yes, just after he wiped away the tears... The timing is pretty funny, have to say haha. Would partly explain why he's not had a shot yet, if we were in the middle of negotiations.
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Post by bowranger on Oct 22, 2020 11:40:20 GMT
Least he looks happy about it!
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Post by bowranger on Oct 22, 2020 11:25:21 GMT
With last night, dunno if it's a question of clicking (lot of new faces), it simply being 'the championship' (dog of a division and sometimes we'll be good, sometimes we'll be crap) and/or if it's a style mismatch against teams like Preston.
Preston away from home have almost always been functional, well-drilled and solidly set out to frustrate. Can see the logic in Ball and Cameron being on as a more aggressive presence but it didn't seem to work out. Bournemouth have more talent on paper and tried to play through us - we seemed to cope better with that. With Preston, I thought a good line was what Sinton said on comms - we look like we are trying to play *in front* of them.
Even with Ball and Cameron, we are still a bloody 'nice' team aren't we? Shame that Dykes was still crocked from his Scotland games - I like the look of Bonne and it may not have made a huge difference, but this kind of game felt like it would really have benefited from a bully in the attacking 'one' slot. Soon as Preston go a goal up, they are absolutely fine with the likes of Barbet and Kakay having pot shots from outside the box. Thought Carroll played some good, thoughtful balls and we created dangerous opportunities (though not often complimented with the final shot, hence the stats). But when a team welcomes us onto them like that, we do miss that little bit of guile and nastiness.
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Post by bowranger on Oct 22, 2020 10:35:15 GMT
Worryingly/funnily prophetic match preview on LFW, where they said most of the quietness around our good performance at Bournemouth will have people clawing at the manager if we don't win against PNE. Less of a comment on this board but bloody hell it's tiring. Last night, I got text messages and emails from QPR supporters I've not heard from in months in some cases. All just desperate to stick the boot in and moan. Thought we were crap for big chunks of last night, sometimes we'll be crap. Just feel in such a better place generally with QPR than I have for years, the sheer eagerness to stamp on ourselves when things go iffy is tiring. Would care less if the same people ever took even a tiny smidgen of joy when we're good.When I used to go regularly (late 80s/earrly 90s), there was a moany old bastard behind me who spent almost the whole match slagging the players/manager/referee off if things weren't going well. hen things were going well, even when we scored, he just sat there with a sulky look on his face. Times don't seem to have changed much, there are still "fans" who only seem to be happy when it all goes tits up. Haha yeah, relatable. My favourite is still the bloke a few rows behind us (Ricky will know the one) who hated Connor Washington so much that when he finally did score, he refused to celebrate. Remember us all celebrating, as you do, turned around and he was just sat there, arms crossed, fuming.
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Post by bowranger on Oct 22, 2020 10:26:15 GMT
Worryingly/funnily prophetic match preview on LFW, where they said most of the quietness around our good performance at Bournemouth will have people clawing at the manager if we don't win against PNE.
Less of a comment on this board but bloody hell it's tiring. Last night, I got text messages and emails from QPR supporters I've not heard from in months in some cases. All just desperate to stick the boot in and moan.
Thought we were crap for big chunks of last night, sometimes we'll be crap. Just feel in such a better place generally with QPR than I have for years, the sheer eagerness to stamp on ourselves when things go iffy feels weird. Spent years tearing strips off the club when we were ran in a disgusting way and populated with players who weren't arsed, because they deserved it. It was cathartic. Now though, considering how different stuff is, the level of aggro just feels completely out of proportion. Would care a lot less if the same people ever took even a tiny smidgen of joy when we're good.
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Post by bowranger on Oct 21, 2020 20:47:45 GMT
Yeah, poor one today. Had a great 25 minutes first half and just had the stuffing knocked out of us after that first pen. All seemed a lot more laboured after that. Without Dykes as the anchor very little stuck up top.
Probably goes without saying but Wallace again a big worry.
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Post by bowranger on Oct 21, 2020 20:16:39 GMT
Willock on for the last 20.
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Post by bowranger on Oct 21, 2020 20:16:11 GMT
Utter crap, not watching any more of this farce Lol
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Post by bowranger on Oct 21, 2020 19:11:06 GMT
0-1 down. In total control of the game and give away a soft penalty.
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Post by bowranger on Oct 21, 2020 19:00:33 GMT
Very bright start. Preston had the best of the first few mins but we've strung some lovely moves together. Chair and Bright's movement has been proper exciting.
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Post by bowranger on Oct 18, 2020 9:29:48 GMT
Feel like this is everyone painting eachother into a corner. Manning probably could and should have sucked it up and backed down when the Premiership offer never materialised. Likewise, for better or worse, Warbs went hot and heavy on how we won't play players who won't commit their long term futures. When both sides are at an impasse like that, you end up having to take what's on the table. I'd be amazed if this really pleases either Manning or us. He doesn't get his step-up, we don't have our LB who, for all the defensive failings, has superb assist stats and is better than Wallace. We get a fee rather than losing him for nothing though probably not as much as we hoped, and Manning probably gets a bit more money, but not the Prem move he desired. Hardly anyone's dream outcome. Stubbornness all round. I’d rather we were stubborn than the soft touch we were for so many years before. Give in and it’ll be the start of every player running their contract down. That would undermine our entire philosophy. Well yeah, I'd much rather that too, compared to the bad old days. Just mean it is fundamentally a shame it's ended up the way it has. Things have changed massively since but think the undercurrent of this window is that we're reaping some of the results of the Ollie to Maclaren transition where the latter's team of men approach means some of our players now leaving aren't where they should be, development or value wise.
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Post by bowranger on Oct 17, 2020 11:42:26 GMT
Tremendous business, even if just one of the joiners becomes the next Eze. It makes it all the more exciting to 'see' how the new talent develop. To come out of it all with 3 maybe 4 strikers of our own was unimaginable only a few weeks ago. Dykes and Boone have taken the pressure off with decent starts, Scotland could not even afford to rest Dykes playing him 3 times in 6 days. That alone would have caused widespread panic in the past, but now we have options. It is a development - a marathon not a sprint and patience is required, but I am well pleased. Just two requests: Please find a successful vaccine so we can see it for real Please don't let the Bright potential extension be a ruse by his manager. It would knock some of the shine of a pretty amazing period in our phoenix existence. Very much this, yeah.
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Post by bowranger on Oct 17, 2020 11:36:00 GMT
So, was he after Premier League football? Or just a bit more money? Feel like this is everyone painting eachother into a corner. Manning probably could and should have sucked it up and backed down when the Premiership offer never materialised. Likewise, for better or worse, Warbs went hot and heavy on how we won't play players who won't commit their long term futures. When both sides are at an impasse like that, you end up having to take what's on the table. I'd be amazed if this really pleases either Manning or us. He doesn't get his step-up, we don't have our LB who, for all the defensive failings, has superb assist stats and is better than Wallace. We get a fee rather than losing him for nothing though probably not as much as we hoped, and Manning probably gets a bit more money, but not the Prem move he desired. Hardly anyone's dream outcome. Stubbornness all round.
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Post by bowranger on Oct 14, 2020 12:22:31 GMT
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Post by bowranger on Oct 14, 2020 8:42:53 GMT
Could be wide of the mark here but the recent rumours around Masterson going on loan, the potential Kelman signing, the Ramkilde 'project' etc. keep making me think back to the Kelly signing and what the club said about it. At the time, the logic with Kelly was that he had good stock and could compete, but fundamentally, he was £50k and when you've identified a player at that level and the value is there, it's worth snapping them up. The key thing being that he wasn't necessarily bought to be QPR's first team keeper. But he was bought on the basis that whether he dislodged Lumley or not, he'd still fetch more than £50k if sold.
With the signings we're making and the rumours swirling around, it makes me feel like we've got a kinda two-pronged approach to transfers, but with the same focus on value. You've got signings where the impact is clearly more on improving the first team directly. Carroll, Dykes, Bonne, Dickie, Adomah, Amos for example - players who we clearly believe can slot in right now to the vision for the starting 11. But there are others who we either extend or bring in with a bigger picture in mind. Masterson could be loaned and there are still rumours of an additional CB coming in. But we got him for free and he's tied down til 2023. Whether he breaks into the Barbet/Dickie/? defence, who knows? But even on loan or as back-up, he'll be worth more than when he came in.
Kelman is still really young and Southend are in dire financial straits. Do we see him as competing with Dykes/Bonne? Or is it a case that whether he breaks in, goes off on loan or develops as a back-up, that we're convinced that regardless of first team impact, there's a profit to be made? Willock likewise. Other dimension could be that should other players get snapped up by the end of next season (e.g. if BOS extends, does well again and is sold), they're being baked ready to fill the gap? Making hay while the sunshines, rather than having to fill the gap when other clubs know we're in direct need of a replacement?
Guess the short version is that this is the one of the first times I can remember us bringing in players where it's unclear if they'll make it into a first team slot this season, or maybe ever, but there's a clear sense of club long-term club 'value' in mind. Not just as addressing a first team squad problem, but as a colder economic strategy of buying low and selling high.
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Post by bowranger on Oct 12, 2020 10:31:38 GMT
Completely agree.
Obviously not as serious but weirdly it just reminds me of old mob movies. Local crime lord comes and gives a poor family bread and a bit of cash to make ends meet. Then comes calling weeks later demanding they do horrible jobs for them, putting them in danger. "Ah, but remember, I did give you that bread".
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