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Post by londonranger on Oct 22, 2020 13:46:37 GMT
If we lose to Brum and don't score I will be very unhappy,
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Post by rickyqpr on Oct 22, 2020 13:57:13 GMT
If we lose to Brum and don't score I will be on the side of making a managerial change. I do not want another managerial change. I think we need stability and patience. I can not think of any unemployed manager out there who i would prefer and /or we could afford. The way Birmingham set up we could well lose on Saturday, we are not great at breaking teams down who come to defend and break. But there is a long way to go and games now flow thick and fast. I am not a happy clapper for Warburton, I wish he was more flexible in his thinking, but I think that there is no need to panic yet.
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Post by harr on Oct 22, 2020 14:23:04 GMT
I can’t really accept the way Birmingham set out we could well lose imo, that’s what MW gets paid for surely to do his homework. I will be looking for a bit of a response after that weak Preston showing but to early for changes imo.
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Post by stylecouncillor on Oct 22, 2020 14:41:50 GMT
Change Warburton for who ? would be my question
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Post by londonranger on Oct 22, 2020 14:48:48 GMT
Lets see what happens against Brum. Two penalties against us indicates defensive breakdowns. Not necessarily change of managers Just a suggestion. Maybe more in the mold of overall tactics and coaching. Still imo need a result against Brum. No idea who we would hire and who is available. That was not the intent of my post.
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Post by bowranger on Oct 22, 2020 14:53:55 GMT
Change Warburton for who ? would be my question Yeah, I'd always be happy to hear who people reckon could do a better job in our system out of the available, affordable managers out there. Not a happy clapper for Warburton either but year on year improvement while slashing the budget, fulfilling the player development remit - I genuinely have no idea who comes into that. Either way, on a purely practical level, giving a manager a summer window with that level of upheaval then binning them off 6 or 7 games into the new season makes zero sense to me. Giving a manager the opportunity to shape that team within that remit then tearing it up just after has never worked for us. It rarely works for anyone. Maybe I'm thick but I can't look at the last two seasons, then a very mixed first 6 games and come to the conclusion that chucking the manager makes much sense to us, other than satisfying a vocal online minority who get off on us losing. I look at our side and I see a broadly young, very cheaply assembled set of players so far achieving mid-table Championship football - the one thing most people say they'd take from us right now. Doesn't mean it's all rosy and Warburton is the messiah, I think there's lots of ways we could and should improve. But changing the manager without an alternative plan doesn't help much. If we want to change, then it assumes we're underachieving. Where is it, based on 6 games, people think we should be if we're at the point we want a big ol' upheaval?
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Post by bowranger on Oct 22, 2020 14:55:47 GMT
Lets see what happens against Brum. Two penalties against us indicates defensive breakdowns. Not necessarily change of managers Just a suggestion. Maybe more in the mold of overall tactics and coaching. Still imo need a result against Brum. No idea who we would hire and who is available. That was not the intent of my post. To be fair you just posted that if we lose our next game without scoring, you'd be in favour of a managerial change. If the intent isn't to discuss who would then take that job on, what is it..? Unless we just don't have a manager.
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Post by harr on Oct 22, 2020 15:38:41 GMT
Loads of that makes sense. Things have changed for the better we are recruiting the right sort of players all fantastic news, just need the wins on the pitch now. Draws used to be ok in the old days but now when you keep drawing and losing you go nowhere. Thankfully we had that Forest win but we desperately need a Birmingham win to start us off. Let’s get the three points Saturday and move on, our team on paper should be performing better than last night. The Home games without supporters always worried me and I thought we were more likely to lose home games than we should, which is hopefully why we can pick up some nice away wins, we shouldn’t be scared of anyone away from home. Sadly same old things from QPR let us down sloppy defending.
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Post by londonranger on Oct 22, 2020 16:01:51 GMT
Thanks Harr for that post. I seem to have upset a lot of us with this thread. Frankly I was responding to a home game of 95 minutes where we don't have one shot on goal. Someone must be responsible for this. It has to be the manager. Warburton himself said almost the same thing but he blamed the players. OK. Maybe its too early in the season for this type of comment and maybe because I am probably the oldest fan on this board I have seen this many times in the past and hoping for a successful season. Which we still could have. The defense rests.
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Post by harr on Oct 22, 2020 16:30:29 GMT
Thanks Harr for that post. I seem to have upset a lot of us with this thread. Frankly I was responding to a home game of 95 minutes where we don't have one shot on goal. Someone must be responsible for this. It has to be the manager. Warburton himself said almost the same thing but he blamed the players. OK. Maybe its too early in the season for this type of comment and maybe because I am probably the oldest fan on this board I have seen this many times in the past and hoping for a successful season. Which we still could have. The defense rests. Hi Harry, no I don’t think you have upset anyone. You are a very long serving supporter of the Club and if we couldn’t accept your opinion on the matter it would sadden me as your views are highly respected on this board. None of us deep down want Warburton replaced at this time but that sort of performance was pretty unacceptable.
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Post by stylecouncillor on Oct 22, 2020 16:35:32 GMT
Thanks Harr for that post. I seem to have upset a lot of us with this thread. Frankly I was responding to a home game of 95 minutes where we don't have one shot on goal. Someone must be responsible for this. It has to be the manager. Warburton himself said almost the same thing but he blamed the players. OK. Maybe its too early in the season for this type of comment and maybe because I am probably the oldest fan on this board I have seen this many times in the past and hoping for a successful season. Which we still could have. The defense rests. I personally was not upset or meant any disrespect with my question of who would we replace Warburton with. At the end of the day A message board is just about posing questions. for those brave enough to pose questions your dammed if you ask because someone is going to shove your question back in your face in 10 games time, if we win 10 in a row . As will those get slaughtered who defend MW and we lose 10 in a row . So London I hope this clears up my question about a replacement it was meant as just that a simple question to continue the debate.
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Post by bowranger on Oct 22, 2020 18:11:31 GMT
Don't know why this about people being 'upset', everyone seems to just be sharing their opinion on the issue.
If someone posts a divisive opinion, that's fine. People are likely to debate it back. Long as no one is tarring anyone off, that's just a discussion. People disagreeing with part of your argument doesn't mean they're upset.
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Oct 22, 2020 18:29:23 GMT
Far too early to think about sacking Warburton. Let’s keep some stability and faith in players and manager.
Players seem to be getting longer contracts, we’re attracting some of the more promising lower league players and MW is part of that whole movement.
We’re running the club in the ‘right way’ at last. Panic-sacking the manager before Christmas is plunging us back into the bad old days.
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 24, 2020 8:13:43 GMT
Beyond whether WE would a change in managers....It's whether ownership are that way inclined.
And as always: Who is out there we could attract and want
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Post by nomar on Oct 25, 2020 8:29:28 GMT
So, what next, Londonranger?
Looks like Twitter will be full of unhappy QPR fans today.
In all honesty, we are where I expect us to be for most of the season. If we stay up that will be a bonus, but my bar is set low because you can't lose Eze and Manning and not expect a massive drop off in offensive output.
Who would have thought that these days it's our defence earning us points?
Some fans have unrealistic expectations, based on what exactly I'm not sure.
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 25, 2020 11:44:55 GMT
Scott Parker will probably soon be available! (although I don't think his success at Fulham has "proven' him as a manager for QPR)
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Post by harr on Oct 25, 2020 17:42:48 GMT
Out of curiosity who is going to snap Eddie Howe up?
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Post by bowranger on Oct 26, 2020 9:15:33 GMT
Out of curiosity who is going to snap Eddie Howe up? I guess he's in a bit of an odd place cos he's basically had 25 years either playing or managing Bournemouth with that short Burnley stint in between. Imagine he'll be enjoying a break! No idea where he would turn up next but would be a big decision for him. He's an Everton fan but he hasn't really got a sniff there. Have half a feeling he could end up at Newcastle when/if a takeover happens, as that would be a big project. But no idea.
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Post by harr on Oct 26, 2020 9:40:04 GMT
Out of curiosity who is going to snap Eddie Howe up? I guess he's in a bit of an odd place cos he's basically had 25 years either playing or managing Bournemouth with that short Burnley stint in between. Imagine he'll be enjoying a break! No idea where he would turn up next but would be a big decision for him. He's an Everton fan but he hasn't really got a sniff there. Have half a feeling he could end up at Newcastle when/if a takeover happens, as that would be a big project. But no idea. Certainly too good a Manager to be doing nothing. Never realised he was an Everton fan.
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Oct 26, 2020 9:44:47 GMT
Out of curiosity who is going to snap Eddie Howe up? It's a strange one. I just get the impression that the cut-throat footballing world, although saying nice things about Howe over the year Bournemouth remained in the Prem, just don't rate him enough in reality. I really don't think his next job will be with a Premier League team. I suspect he may work abroad, or with a Championship side (I think he'd be ideally suited to a club like Norwich City, though of course there's no vacancy). Or, (a very long shot), his mate Harry Redknapp buys a lower league club and installs Howe to 'do a Bournemouth' with them...
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Post by stylecouncillor on Oct 26, 2020 13:29:44 GMT
I think Howe will be Palaces next manager when Hodgson calls it a day. or maybe fulham if he wants back in sooner.
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Post by egranger on Oct 26, 2020 14:08:53 GMT
Whilst our last two games have been disappointing it would be crazy to even think of changing manager after seven games.
We have seven points after seven games and plenty of teams including Wycombe doing even worse.
Last season we were royally entertained and this season we must be patient - an inexperienced team, especially our defence, drew with Birmingham on Saturday. Let's get behind the team for Tuesday night against Barnsley, another team below us.
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Post by bardsley on Oct 26, 2020 16:28:13 GMT
There is always something that manager can be blamed of or some choices that can be disagreed and this is the case with Warburton also. I am not totally happy either with all choices he have done. But to be honest and fair - our biggest problem after last season was clearly our defence and despite big losses there, our defensive play has improved quite a lot. This is something we need to give him credit of.
At the moment it seems that we are struggling with scoring issues, but maybe it is just something unavoidable when a team loses such names straight from first team: Eze, Hugill, Wells, Pugh... plus loads of fringe players from midfield. As new arrivals: Bonne, Dykes, Adomah, Thomas, Willock, Carroll... No wonder it takes some time to glue in as a team.
This is very special season in that way also that we are playing for empty stadiums and very frequently - there´s not much time to correct something that requires improvment. I think we should be patient and give some time to our team as there´s plenty of talent there imo.
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Post by harr on Oct 26, 2020 17:53:33 GMT
Whilst our last two games have been disappointing it would be crazy to even think of changing manager after seven games. We have seven points after seven games and plenty of teams including Wycombe doing even worse. Last season we were royally entertained and this season we must be patient - an inexperienced team, especially our defence, drew with Birmingham on Saturday. Let's get behind the team for Tuesday night against Barnsley, another team below us. I would expect Wycombe to be doing worse, them along with Coventry and Barnsley were probably the most favoured three for the drop. Get behind them yes of course, keep Warburton for sure but 7 points from seven games is not to great so we ideally need a win tomorrow. I agree Bardsley there is plenty of talent on paper. There are also Teams with far less talent in the Division doing better... Luton, Millwall to name a couple. luton for example went to Reading,Barnsley and Sheff Weds and picked up away wins at each. We need to be doing the same away.
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Post by surreychad on Oct 27, 2020 7:21:11 GMT
For me, I don't think MW has had the easiest of jobs and personally I am not overawed by his performance but I am not majorly disappointed either, yes I would love us to be right up there challenging at the top of the table but I think we are still have a few years of Championship to deal with before we have the playes and experiance to give it a go.
He has had 2 seasons where he has had major changes to the squad with the most expensive signing £2million (I think that whats we paid for Dykes?) and the rest either free or bargain basement with hopes we can turn them in to profitable sell ons. Pretty much every other club has either spent more or has a better budget to work with, we have a lot of our youth team now playing (Dieng, Kakay, BOS, Hamilinwen) which is bringing the average age and experiance very low.
When you compare us to the likes of Forest who have spent more money than any other team and currently sit in the relegation spots then I think we are doing well.
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 27, 2020 9:02:32 GMT
I think Amit Bhatia has a better grasp of things. And If he really is in charge - and not just a face (given that he/Mittal only own a very small part of QPR); I think he sticks with Warburton for quite some time
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Post by harr on Oct 27, 2020 9:35:23 GMT
I think Amit Bhatia has a better grasp of things. And If he really is in charge - and not just a face (given that he/Mittal only own a very small part of QPR); I think he sticks with Warburton for quite some time Depending of course, how we are performing and where we sit in the table every week which would be no different at most clubs.
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Post by harr on Oct 27, 2020 11:17:32 GMT
Depending of course, how we are performing and where we sit in the table every week which would be no different at most clubs.no different at most clubs with money - how much does it cost to pay off a manager and recruit a new one with no guarantee of any improvement and no guarantee the team will produce the same style of football we enjoyed last season even if results were not always in our favour. Better the devil you know. For sure and not insinuating a change is a good thing and wouldn’t want personally. Its pretty much table position driven though. Even if Wycombe were rock bottom at Christmas on say 10 points, it’s possible Ainsworth might still get sacked, it’s happened before. Not saying it’s right just the way it is, money available or in some cases not.
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