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Post by harr on Feb 2, 2016 13:19:04 GMT
I think you need to add Phillips to the group 2 list. In other words come June we will only have 4 big money earners to move on - Phillips Fer Caulker and Sandro. None of whom were signed in LF's reign. Phillips Is the only one currently with us, Caulker has been loaned out all season while Fer and Sandro could not have been loaned out in the summer due to injury and work permit issues. Compared to where we were 12 months ago I think LF has done a good job in trimming the wage bill. Time to give him some credit rather than running him down if a couple of incoming free transfers have not worked out. Plus if the likes of Smithies Ingram Washington Chery Luongo etc improve and progress........ Yeah Phillips has more year left come June. Although what I was trying to say is I would like rid of the group two in the summer. I dont know why but I like Phillips , Hoillet and Yun and would not mind at all if we kept them longer if the deal was a reduced one. Although Phillips has such a big interest it is likely he will go this summer and we make some money on him. Yun and Hoillett though, will be walking away for free unless we give them a new deal at reduced wage? I feel we need to keep a few of the old backbone of players, we cant just have 20 new players in 12 months. Sell group 2 ( 4 players ) We wont give Rob a new deal so he walks in June, with the Goberns,Diakites and Traores of this world. My next concern is TOZSER , does anyone on this board think theres a player worth keeping in there or am I missing something? As much as I disliked Perch, I will be honest and say the last few games, theres signs of improvement.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 13:29:57 GMT
I see the point Harr but the key words above are "at a reduced wage"
I do not think any of those love the club so much that they will take a reduced wage - unless they are really desperate for a job and then they will not be staying for the right reason.
As for the old backbone I think it is too late - they have already gone. But by the end of the season we should have a new backbone Smithies-Hall-Luongo-Cherry -Washington. We can build around that.
Also most successful teams are built on a solid defence. Although we have only won once under JFH we have not lost much either and the defence is starting to look solid. Keep that going and add the new attack and we are on the right road. I may be wrong but I think JFH has got things moving in the right direction and the past few games have started to show it. Rome (like our new Stadium) was not built in a day
PS re Tozer - I am not as much down on him as you seem to be but I think he is the sort that needs a decent run in a settled team. Problem is I think looking to the future we need to be playing others ahead of him at the moment but still a useful man to have in the squad imo
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Post by harr on Feb 2, 2016 13:47:26 GMT
I think you need to add Phillips to the group 2 list. In other words come June we will only have 4 big money earners to move on - Phillips Fer Caulker and Sandro. None of whom were signed in LF's reign. Phillips Is the only one currently with us, Caulker has been loaned out all season while Fer and Sandro could not have been loaned out in the summer due to injury and work permit issues. Compared to where we were 12 months ago I think LF has done a good job in trimming the wage bill. Time to give him some credit rather than running him down if a couple of incoming free transfers have not worked out. Plus if the likes of Smithies Ingram Washington Chery Luongo etc improve and progress........ (Time to give him some credit rather than running him down ) Maybe. What I will say is Les F will always be a true legend for what he has done on the pitch. Im not so sure if his role doesnt hinder us at times getting a better Manager but Im not so stupid to realise this role is common in the modern game now. He hasnt done too bad I guess. However took a long time last summer to get the RB position sorted and then we were a bit desperate in getting Perch. Gobern, you must say is a poor buy, even with no fee. JET, for years I have thought lazy and bad attitude, did we really need to take this gamble when we are supposedly trying to get it right this time. Not sure of the fee but would say Tozser looks a bad buy at this minute. We still dont know if Gladwin is a good buy yet, that cost quite a fee, hopefully though he can develop at Bristol C. So 3-4 poor buys maybe, two were free and two for a fee I believe. I am pretty happy with all the rest though. It hasnt been a mistake free spell for Les but It isnt an easy job and you have to take a punt sometimes. So I would say, as he has the role, carry on what he is doing and trying and iron out the mistakes of going for any players you think could be trouble. (ie stroppy lazy ones like JET) Because although Perch has improved and we will end up keeping him now I guess and Gobern can go in June, we still have JET now for 2 years when he comes back from MK. Once he gets it right or near perfect I will be the first to say thats a great transfer window Les, well done. Hopefully starting this summer. If I dont say it, remind me
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Post by sharky on Feb 2, 2016 13:47:48 GMT
From westlondonsport www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/qpr-rejected-pre-deadline-approach-for-mackie?QPR rejected pre-deadline approach for MackieBy David McIntyre 02/02/2016 MK Dons made a pre-deadline enquiry about Jamie Mackie before signing Jay Emmanuel-Thomas on loan from QPR. The Championship strugglers asked Rangers about a potential loan deal for Mackie, who recently recovered from a hamstring tear and has not started a league match since the opening day of the season. QPR were not prepared to part with the 30-year-old but were willing to loan out Emmanuel-Thomas, who was very much out of favour at Loftus Road. Rangers also agreed a loan deal for Leroy Fer with Swansea, who considered signing Sandro before the R’s midfielder’s recent loan move to West Brom. But a potential move to Crystal Palace for Rob Green did not materialise because the Eagles were unable to offload former QPR keeper Alex McCarthy to Fulham.
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Post by sharky on Feb 2, 2016 13:57:51 GMT
From getwestlondon all you need to know about the loan window www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everything-you-need-know-loan-10823633?Everything you need to know about the loan window: How clubs can still make additions after deadline day11:56, 2 FEB 2016 UPDATED 12:43, 2 FEB 2016 BY MATT LEWIS The January transfer window is now shut but can anybody strengthen before the summer? Here's all the key information you need on the loan window Deadline day has been and gone but the madness doesn’t stop there. The January transfer window slammed shut on Monday night after more than £100million was spent by English clubs. However, the emergency loan window is yet to come as clubs continue to move players around domestically. Every year, Premier League and Football League teams are given the chance to continue temporary switches to help with injuries and get young guns some more experience. The loan window arrives with less fanfare and less star billing than the Jim White extravaganza that is deadline day, awash with yellow ties and transfer tickers. But it can be a useful tool, particularly for lower League clubs in need of an extra body or two after the dust has settled on January’s permanent business. Here's all the information you need about the loan window... When does it open and close?The 'emergency loan' window opens next Tuesday February 9, 2016. The loan window shuts on March 24, with clubs then unable to strengthen until the summer. Who can use it?All you Premier League fans thinking you can still bring players in, think again. But you can ship some of your youngsters out to aid their development. Football League clubs can use the window to their advantage - and plenty are sure to - with top-flight talent. No overseas players can be brought in during the window. How long can the players move for?The loan deals can last between 28 days and 93 days. Any other rules?There is one additional rule, which does also apply to Premier League clubs. Should sides suffer a goalkeeping crisis, they are able to bring in replacements. These deals are usually seven days and have been used by Everton and Sunderland in recent seasons.
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Post by terryb on Feb 2, 2016 18:18:34 GMT
Just to note: Fer Deal IS "subject to International Clearance" True and strange that Sandro's was not reported as subject to clearance - makes me think that deal was in the pipeline for a while and only announced once clearance was given ...... or maybe someone has forgotten something again Sandro already has international clearance. Fer will require this as he is joining a Welsh club. This should be just a formality (unless he owes Rangers or the FA money)! I know from experience that gaining clearance from some of the smaller nations is a nightmare though!
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Post by terryb on Feb 2, 2016 18:21:37 GMT
I'm reasonably happy with the window.
My only problem is that we still have Green on the payroll & that we have not managed to receive a fee for Phillips. Full, rather than loan deals, would have been nice for Sandro & Fer, but realistically that was not going to happen!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 19:13:33 GMT
Games tonight: Austin not playing and not on bench Caulker not playing and not on bench Fer not playing and not on bench ( signed too late) Sandro - straight in to the team at WBA
At least Fer and Austin have time to tweet to each other.
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Post by Roller on Feb 2, 2016 20:53:21 GMT
(Time to give him some credit rather than running him down ) Maybe. What I will say is Les F will always be a true legend for what he has done on the pitch. Im not so sure if his role doesnt hinder us at times getting a better Manager but Im not so stupid to realise this role is common in the modern game now. He hasnt done too bad I guess. However took a long time last summer to get the RB position sorted and then we were a bit desperate in getting Perch. Gobern, you must say is a poor buy, even with no fee. JET, for years I have thought lazy and bad attitude, did we really need to take this gamble when we are supposedly trying to get it right this time. Not sure of the fee but would say Tozser looks a bad buy at this minute. We still dont know if Gladwin is a good buy yet, that cost quite a fee, hopefully though he can develop at Bristol C. So 3-4 poor buys maybe, two were free and two for a fee I believe. I am pretty happy with all the rest though. It hasnt been a mistake free spell for Les but It isnt an easy job and you have to take a punt sometimes. So I would say, as he has the role, carry on what he is doing and trying and iron out the mistakes of going for any players you think could be trouble. (ie stroppy lazy ones like JET) Because although Perch has improved and we will end up keeping him now I guess and Gobern can go in June, we still have JET now for 2 years when he comes back from MK. Once he gets it right or near perfect I will be the first to say thats a great transfer window Les, well done. Hopefully starting this summer. If I dont say it, remind me For fear of continually going over the same ground, I would make the following comments Harr. It was the so called better managers running amok with TF's money that have got us into this position. I think that you possibly under-estimate the financial mess we are in. The requirement to shift out expensive, high earners and replace them for a fraction of their cost was never going to be easy, nor was it ever going to meet with everyone's approval. All managers and DOFs make poor purchases, with our incredible turnover of players statistically we are going to make more. I'd agree that JET's lack of success has not been a surprise, but when you are looking for free transfers there is a limited market. And as for your favourite Gobern, he should be viewed as no more than a squad filler governed by the restrictions of FFP. Hall and Luongo look like excellent business, Smithies and Polter are showing signs of joining them. I like Chery but fear that there maybe some unknown issues bubbling away with him and we all know exactly what we will get from Mackie should he ever get on the field. The summer window will be fascinating. With a number of players out of contract and hopefully the remainder of the high earners moved on, perhaps, just perhaps, we will see a squad developing that we can really get behind. Let's face it, anyone who can loan out Steve Caulker twice deserves our respect.
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Post by sharky on Feb 2, 2016 21:50:12 GMT
From westlondonsport. The Motta deal may still happen. Suppose they were waiting to see who came and went in the Jan window before deciding. Now that's smart. www.westlondonsport.com/features-comment/football-wls-transfer-gossip-qpr-reportedly-considering-defender-deal-whites-linked-with-arsenal-youngsterTransfer gossip: QPR reportedly still considering Motta dealBy West London Sport 02/02/2016 A round-up of the latest transfer speculation involving the area’s Championship clubs… Marco Motta could still sign for QPR, Italian media reports claim. West London Sport revealed that Motta was on trial at the club, that Rangers had decided to offer him a short-term deal, and that discussions had resulted in both parties looking elsewhere. But reports in Motta’s native country claim he could still sign a new contract at Loftus Road until the end of the season.
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Post by sharky on Feb 2, 2016 21:54:16 GMT
Games tonight: Austin not playing and not on bench Caulker not playing and not on bench Fer not playing and not on bench ( signed too late) Sandro - straight in to the team at WBA At least Fer and Austin have time to tweet to each other. Sandro lasted 69 mins. About all he could do for us too!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 22:09:03 GMT
Watching Phillips put in crap performances for the rest of the season isn't great , hoping he was gonna go today ! Yeah, all those crap performances he's put in lately, scoring and creating goals. Who'd want that? One decent cross or the occasional goal doesn't mean he's actually playing well or am I watching a different player ?
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Post by Marc on Feb 2, 2016 22:21:49 GMT
Yeah, all those crap performances he's put in lately, scoring and creating goals. Who'd want that? One decent cross or the occasional goal doesn't mean he's actually playing well or am I watching a different player ? He put a fair few decent crosses in the Rotherham game alone (as well as a goal), his corners were also decent. He's now our top scorer I believe (now that Austin's gone). Then there was the cross for Polter's equaliser against Hull In fact, every time I've seen him play, the main thing about him I've noticed is his ability to put very good crosses in without having to get past defenders on the wing. Some of our players have shown a slowness to get into the penalty area (Polter is guilty of this) in order to get onto those crosses, maybe that's why they don't get the plaudits they deserve. Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's the best winger in the world (or even the Championship) but to describe him as our worst player (which you have done)?
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Post by harr on Feb 2, 2016 22:35:47 GMT
I have no problems with Phillips, yeah sure he drifts in and out of games , but so do so many wingers even in the Prem. I would keep him if we could afford him but Im a bit crazy I would even keep Hoillett and Yun. Of course the wages we were offering might mean we couldnt hold onto them anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 22:37:15 GMT
I have a big question mark over Polter. Yes he has scored but his all round game is poor. Take our last home game which I have on tape and have reviewed. There were several very good crosses from Phillips Perch and others that saw Polter standing on the penalty spot watching and applauding. A good goal scorer would have been putting the crosses in the back of the net or at least getting close to them but Polter was yards behind .
Plus of more than 25 passes to him upfront he only managed to actually control 2 or 3 properly and only laid it off properly once. Poaching the odd goal is ok but not enough for this league. Still JFH seems to think Polter is a work in progress and needs time so let's wait and see and hope he makes it. Meanwhile our wingers are not playing well but the lack of someone getting in the box makes them look worse than they are.
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Post by harr on Feb 2, 2016 22:41:12 GMT
(Time to give him some credit rather than running him down ) Maybe. What I will say is Les F will always be a true legend for what he has done on the pitch. Im not so sure if his role doesnt hinder us at times getting a better Manager but Im not so stupid to realise this role is common in the modern game now. He hasnt done too bad I guess. However took a long time last summer to get the RB position sorted and then we were a bit desperate in getting Perch. Gobern, you must say is a poor buy, even with no fee. JET, for years I have thought lazy and bad attitude, did we really need to take this gamble when we are supposedly trying to get it right this time. Not sure of the fee but would say Tozser looks a bad buy at this minute. We still dont know if Gladwin is a good buy yet, that cost quite a fee, hopefully though he can develop at Bristol C. So 3-4 poor buys maybe, two were free and two for a fee I believe. I am pretty happy with all the rest though. It hasnt been a mistake free spell for Les but It isnt an easy job and you have to take a punt sometimes. So I would say, as he has the role, carry on what he is doing and trying and iron out the mistakes of going for any players you think could be trouble. (ie stroppy lazy ones like JET) Because although Perch has improved and we will end up keeping him now I guess and Gobern can go in June, we still have JET now for 2 years when he comes back from MK. Once he gets it right or near perfect I will be the first to say thats a great transfer window Les, well done. Hopefully starting this summer. If I dont say it, remind me For fear of continually going over the same ground, I would make the following comments Harr. It was the so called better managers running amok with TF's money that have got us into this position. I think that you possibly under-estimate the financial mess we are in. The requirement to shift out expensive, high earners and replace them for a fraction of their cost was never going to be easy, nor was it ever going to meet with everyone's approval. All managers and DOFs make poor purchases, with our incredible turnover of players statistically we are going to make more. I'd agree that JET's lack of success has not been a surprise, but when you are looking for free transfers there is a limited market. And as for your favourite Gobern, he should be viewed as no more than a squad filler governed by the restrictions of FFP. Hall and Luongo look like excellent business, Smithies and Polter are showing signs of joining them. I like Chery but fear that there maybe some unknown issues bubbling away with him and we all know exactly what we will get from Mackie should he ever get on the field. The summer window will be fascinating. With a number of players out of contract and hopefully the remainder of the high earners moved on, perhaps, just perhaps, we will see a squad developing that we can really get behind. Let's face it, anyone who can loan out Steve Caulker twice deserves our respect. Yeah, I never said it was an easy role, I wouldnt want it. Well I might consider it if I found out what the salary was. Even more difficult like you say due to all the restraints. Im certainly not saying Les F is failing here, just we have to be so careful at the minute. The summer should be interesting indeed. Goberns not my favourite lol, ( I think you mean fav as im always having a pop) squad filler ? ummm not convinced he is even that, our youngsters would be better. More like dead wood filler
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Feb 3, 2016 11:15:53 GMT
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Post by nomar on Feb 3, 2016 12:40:58 GMT
I see the point Harr but the key words above are "at a reduced wage"
I do not think any of those love the club so much that they will take a reduced wage - unless they are really desperate for a job and then they will not be staying for the right reason.
As for the old backbone I think it is too late - they have already gone. But by the end of the season we should have a new backbone Smithies-Hall-Luongo-Cherry -Washington. We can build around that.
Also most successful teams are built on a solid defence. Although we have only won once under JFH we have not lost much either and the defence is starting to look solid. Keep that going and add the new attack and we are on the right road. I may be wrong but I think JFH has got things moving in the right direction and the past few games have started to show it. Rome (like our new Stadium) was not built in a day
PS re Tozer - I am not as much down on him as you seem to be but I think he is the sort that needs a decent run in a settled team. Problem is I think looking to the future we need to be playing others ahead of him at the moment but still a useful man to have in the squad imo Very good post, sir.
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Post by nomar on Feb 3, 2016 12:43:23 GMT
Games tonight: Austin not playing and not on bench Caulker not playing and not on bench Fer not playing and not on bench ( signed too late) Sandro - straight in to the team at WBA At least Fer and Austin have time to tweet to each other. Sandro lasted 69 mins. About all he could do for us too! Thats him done for the rest of the season, then.
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Post by nomar on Feb 3, 2016 12:53:01 GMT
For fear of continually going over the same ground, I would make the following comments Harr. It was the so called better managers running amok with TF's money that have got us into this position. I think that you possibly under-estimate the financial mess we are in. The requirement to shift out expensive, high earners and replace them for a fraction of their cost was never going to be easy, nor was it ever going to meet with everyone's approval. All managers and DOFs make poor purchases, with our incredible turnover of players statistically we are going to make more. I'd agree that JET's lack of success has not been a surprise, but when you are looking for free transfers there is a limited market. And as for your favourite Gobern, he should be viewed as no more than a squad filler governed by the restrictions of FFP. Hall and Luongo look like excellent business, Smithies and Polter are showing signs of joining them. I like Chery but fear that there maybe some unknown issues bubbling away with him and we all know exactly what we will get from Mackie should he ever get on the field. The summer window will be fascinating. With a number of players out of contract and hopefully the remainder of the high earners moved on, perhaps, just perhaps, we will see a squad developing that we can really get behind. Let's face it, anyone who can loan out Steve Caulker twice deserves our respect. Yeah......our youngsters would be better. More like dead wood filler  They're not, though. Thats the problem and the reason why these guys get played over the youth. QPR fans want to believe that our young players are better than the crap we start with every week. Its a nice fantasy but its not the reality. If it was true managers like Warnock, Hughes and Redknapp would have used them to help save their jobs.
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Post by harr on Feb 3, 2016 15:51:07 GMT
Yeah......our youngsters would be better. More like dead wood filler They're not, though. Thats the problem and the reason why these guys get played over the youth. QPR fans want to believe that our young players are better than the crap we start with every week. Its a nice fantasy but its not the reality. If it was true managers like Warnock, Hughes and Redknapp would have used them to help save their jobs. Im not saying our youngsters are better than all our players Nomar. Just that we have a better youngster than Gobern I'm with you on the fact that most of youngsters are not good enough sadly. A few may be ok for the Championship but if we want a team to go for the playoffs they arent good enough yet. Maybe in a year or two if keep improving Furlong , Petrasso , Kpekawa etc will be closer.
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Post by harr on Feb 3, 2016 22:02:10 GMT
Apparently loan deal should go thro next week after loan window open Tuesday
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Post by eusebio13 on Feb 3, 2016 23:39:17 GMT
Apparently loan deal should go thro next week after loan window open Tuesday
Normally loans wouldn't be allowed between teams in different countries outside the window...this is odd
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Post by Roller on Feb 4, 2016 7:29:18 GMT
Yeah......our youngsters would be better. More like dead wood filler  They're not, though. Thats the problem and the reason why these guys get played over the youth. QPR fans want to believe that our young players are better than the crap we start with every week. Its a nice fantasy but its not the reality. If it was true managers like Warnock, Hughes and Redknapp would have used them to help save their jobs. From the little I've seen of them both, I'd rate Doughty as better than Gobern.
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Post by harr on Feb 4, 2016 7:57:56 GMT
Apparently loan deal should go thro next week after loan window open Tuesday
Normally loans wouldn't be allowed between teams in different countries outside the window...this is odd Oh yeah, good point Eus. Lets hope its not a work permit type issue thingy
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Post by harr on Feb 4, 2016 8:02:27 GMT
They're not, though. Thats the problem and the reason why these guys get played over the youth. QPR fans want to believe that our young players are better than the crap we start with every week. Its a nice fantasy but its not the reality. If it was true managers like Warnock, Hughes and Redknapp would have used them to help save their jobs. From the little I've seen of them both, I'd rate Doughty as better than Gobern. Exactly my point why we needed to buy him. I know he wont be on much but at 10k week for a season , thats half a million for two Cup appearances. Money not well spent, anyhow, Im moving on in fear of being a Gobern basher.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 8:07:29 GMT
The fact is neither Gobern or Doughty are in the team and barring a string of injuries are not likely to be soon.
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Post by harr on Feb 4, 2016 8:27:41 GMT
Apparently loan deal should go thro next week after loan window open Tuesday
Normally loans wouldn't be allowed between teams in different countries outside the window...this is odd Talksport saying it may be a permanent Deal ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 8:35:36 GMT
A permanent deal is definitely not possible unless he had his contract in Spain terminated before the end of the window. We can only sign permanent deals for players who were free agents when the window closed. Re the loan it looks like his club have jumped the gun in announcing something - we may have agreed a loan deal but it cannot be official until the loan window opens then there is also the point of international loans and clearance to sort out. All very strange for a player who would probably not be near the first team anyway from what I can find out about him. One for the future maybe.
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Feb 4, 2016 10:37:13 GMT
A permanent deal is definitely not possible unless he had his contract in Spain terminated before the end of the window. We can only sign permanent deals for players who were free agents when the window closed. It may be possible?? From the BBC web site... After all, it's not like us to make transfer c*ck-ups is it???
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