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Post by eusebio13 on May 30, 2015 15:02:25 GMT
Given we've offered Henry a deal and just signed two central midfielders I think the club is highly unlikely to offer Barton a new deal if he still hasn't found a club by August. We've bought two guys who had excellent seasons and to bring them in and say sorry lads because we can now get Barton much cheaper you won't be starting would leave a bad taste in the mouth. I'm hoping under LF/CR we will revamp the squad with a clear focus on youth, a new wage structure in place which rewards consistency and loyalty and brings players in who see us a step up who can focus on for 3/4/5 years. A pedantic point but I don't think we offered Henry a new contract I think he has an option in his contract for an extra season and its up to him whether he exercises it
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Post by NO1QPRNZ on May 31, 2015 1:48:43 GMT
And I Bet Henry will be on Premiership Wages not Championship Wages in that Contract extension.!!!!!!
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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 31, 2015 10:08:41 GMT
And I Bet Henry will be on Premiership Wages not Championship Wages in that Contract extension.!!!!!! I don't think Henry has ever been on Premier League wages, we signed him in the Championship on a free from another crap Championship club.
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on May 31, 2015 12:01:50 GMT
And I Bet Henry will be on Premiership Wages not Championship Wages in that Contract extension.!!!!!! I don't think Henry has ever been on Premier League wages, we signed him in the Championship on a free from another crap Championship club. Although weren't they in League 1 at the time...?
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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 31, 2015 13:36:59 GMT
I don't think Henry has ever been on Premier League wages, we signed him in the Championship on a free from another crap Championship club. Although weren't they in League 1 at the time...? Yeah that's true actually
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Post by eusebio13 on May 31, 2015 15:25:20 GMT
And I Bet Henry will be on Premiership Wages not Championship Wages in that Contract extension.!!!!!! I don't think Henry has ever been on Premier League wages, we signed him in the Championship on a free from another crap Championship club. We definitely paid a fee for him...I remember reports of up to £1m and thinking that was a rip off...he's actually been decent value
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Post by eusebio13 on May 31, 2015 15:27:44 GMT
QPR snap up £1m Henry from Wolves as midfield man signs two-year deal with Hoops By ANDY SIMS, PRESS ASSOCIATION PUBLISHED: 18:54, 23 July 2013 | UPDATED: 22:29, 23 July 2013 25 View comments QPR have completed the signing of Karl Henry from Wolves. The 30-year-old midfielder has agreed a two-year contract at Loftus Road to become boss Harry Redknapp's third signing of the summer. The transfer fee was in the region of £1million but Sportsmail understands Rangers have agreed a deal with Wolves based on appearances and the success of the club during his two years. Karl Henry New signing: QPR have announced the signing of Wolves midfielder Karl Henry Redknapp said: 'I am very pleased to have him here - it's a really good deal for the club. 'He's a good character and a winner, the type of lad I like. I think he will come in and do a great job for us. 'We're trying to change the club around a bit and Karl's another piece of the jigsaw that can hopefully help us build a team that can challenge for promotion. Karl Henry Championship return: Henry was relegated from the second tier with Wolves last season 'He's a combative midfielder and you know what you're going to get from him week in, week out. He'll be ready for the Saturday, Tuesday slogs and you know you can rely on him. 'Like Danny Simpson and Richard Dunne, he's been promoted to the Premier League before so he knows what's needed.' The move means that, for the time being at least, Henry will be a team-mate of Joey Barton, with whom he had a very public verbal spat a couple of years ago after the pair clashed on the pitch. Barton, who insisted on referring to his rival as 'Kelvin Henry', spent last season on loan at Marseille and his future at Loftus Road remains unclear. Joey Barton Enemies: New boy Henry had a very public spat with QPR's Joey Barton a couple of years ago Henry said: 'Harry Redknapp being manager was a massive pull and a big attraction. I spoke to him and hearing where he wants to be I jumped at the chance of joining the club. 'I have been promoted to the Premier League before and played for a few years in the top flight, which I thoroughly enjoyed. The Championship is a tough league and it sounds like Harry wants to bring in the kind of players that will get this club out of the division which is fantastic.' Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2375283/QPR-snap-1m-Karl-Henry-Wolves.html#ixzz3bjLQBJm5 Follow us: @mailonline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
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Post by Lonegunmen on May 31, 2015 19:36:45 GMT
Barton to Leeds? Dunne retiring, Ferdinand retired, No one rushing in the snap up SWP though.
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Post by harr on May 31, 2015 19:59:19 GMT
Dont get the Barton to Leeds transfer. They have been a Championship Club for over ten years and still look like one. Surely he could get an offer in a bottom Prem team.
SWP will end up in USA , Bobby back at Brighton
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Post by eusebio13 on Jun 1, 2015 5:50:07 GMT
Dont get the Barton to Leeds transfer. They have been a Championship Club for over ten years and still look like one. Surely he could get an offer in a bottom Prem team. SWP will end up in USA , Bobby back at Brighton Barton and Leeds made for each other...he only goes to dysfunctional clubs
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Post by harr on Jun 1, 2015 6:50:15 GMT
Dont get the Barton to Leeds transfer. They have been a Championship Club for over ten years and still look like one. Surely he could get an offer in a bottom Prem team. SWP will end up in USA , Bobby back at Brighton Barton and Leeds made for each other...he only goes to dysfunctional clubs Nothing personal against Leeds but hope they remain in the Championship for another 10 years. Their fans really seem to told a grudge against anything we do.
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Post by paulmason on Jun 1, 2015 12:49:11 GMT
We were a much better team with Joey in it, maybe Leeds would be as well.
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Post by harr on Jun 1, 2015 12:57:21 GMT
We were a much better team with Joey in it, maybe Leeds would be as well. Without question Paul he would improve them. However they are still along way from a top two team in my books . I would say Boro, Ipswich , Wolves , Forest , Derby , Blackburn, Burnley will all be better.
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Post by Dufster on Jun 1, 2015 13:56:26 GMT
We were a much better team with Joey in it, maybe Leeds would be as well. Without question Paul he would improve them. However they are still along way from a top two team in my books . I would say Boro, Ipswich , Wolves , Forest , Derby , Blackburn, Burnley will all be better. If he cant do a deal with OM (I know what the President has already stated!) I think he'll have other good options from Prem/Europe....perhaps a club where he can take on some junior management activities might be more appealing to him!
I'd have preferred him to stay...he could have been good influence on younger players, am guessing the chuckles brothers didn't like as he would keep them honest and not buy the "in order to succeed we must at first fail!!
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Post by paulmason on Jun 1, 2015 14:14:49 GMT
We were a much better team with Joey in it, maybe Leeds would be as well. Without question Paul he would improve them. However they are still along way from a top two team in my books . I would say Boro, Ipswich , Wolves , Forest , Derby , Blackburn, Burnley will all be better. Wow, you listed eight teams, and did not include QPR.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jun 1, 2015 16:16:45 GMT
Without question Paul he would improve them. However they are still along way from a top two team in my books . I would say Boro, Ipswich , Wolves , Forest , Derby , Blackburn, Burnley will all be better. If he cant do a deal with OM (I know what the President has already stated!) I think he'll have other good options from Prem/Europe....perhaps a club where he can take on some junior management activities might be more appealing to him!
I'd have preferred him to stay...he could have been good influence on younger players, am guessing the chuckles brothers didn't like as he would keep them honest and not buy the "in order to succeed we must at first fail!! What alternate universe are we living in when Joey Barton and "good influence" can be used in the same sentence??
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Post by Dufster on Jun 1, 2015 17:21:49 GMT
If he cant do a deal with OM (I know what the President has already stated!) I think he'll have other good options from Prem/Europe....perhaps a club where he can take on some junior management activities might be more appealing to him!
I'd have preferred him to stay...he could have been good influence on younger players, am guessing the chuckles brothers didn't like as he would keep them honest and not buy the "in order to succeed we must at first fail!! What alternate universe are we living in when Joey Barton and "good influence" can be used in the same sentence?? The QPR Universe Rory...that's why he was appointed Captain.
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Post by nomar on Jun 1, 2015 17:32:58 GMT
If he cant do a deal with OM (I know what the President has already stated!) I think he'll have other good options from Prem/Europe....perhaps a club where he can take on some junior management activities might be more appealing to him!
I'd have preferred him to stay...he could have been good influence on younger players, am guessing the chuckles brothers didn't like as he would keep them honest and not buy the "in order to succeed we must at first fail!! What alternate universe are we living in when Joey Barton and "good influence" can be used in the same sentence?? Some of these posts lately really are pushing the edge of comedy genius. I'm sure some of this is genuine wind ups.
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Post by harr on Jun 1, 2015 18:53:08 GMT
Without question Paul he would improve them. However they are still along way from a top two team in my books . I would say Boro, Ipswich , Wolves , Forest , Derby , Blackburn, Burnley will all be better. Wow, you listed eight teams, and did not include QPR. Sadly Paul I can see all them and possibly more finishing above us this season.
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Post by sharky on Jun 1, 2015 22:49:16 GMT
Despite his brain fades on the pitch, Joey Barton was a positive influence off the field and a good game day captain in the real universe and would be a positive influence on young players IMO. I for one am sad to see him go.
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Post by paulmason on Jun 2, 2015 4:55:10 GMT
Wow, you listed eight teams, and did not include QPR. Sadly Paul I can see all them and possibly more finishing above us this season. I agree with you. I have said many times, that I think we we will be a mixture of Blackpool (not enough quality players and like them, we will beg, borrow and steel average/below average players), Fulham (policy of playing youngsters) and Wigan (poor management choices). The above is a perfect storm for a football team and I hope it does not happen.
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Post by nomar on Jun 2, 2015 5:37:54 GMT
Despite his brain fades on the pitch, Joey Barton was a positive influence off the field and a good game day captain in the real universe and would be a positive influence on young players IMO. I for one am sad to see him go. The issue isn't about his ability on the pitch or how much effort he gave. Or how many consoling words he may have given to the young players in the dressing room. Barton is an example of what happens to a football club when it puts ability over character. Signings like Barton's send messages to other players that this is a club with low to no standards, where ability matters more than behaving yourself on the pitch and that dragging QPR's name through the mud on social media is acceptable as long as one 'puts in a shift' on a Saturday. You try and impose a strict code of discipline in players when they see the club captain punching opposing players, openly admitting he came here only for the money, engaging in embarrassing spats with members of the public as well as ex legends of the club on Twitter and tweeting his chairman on first name terms. Good luck with that.
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Post by paulmason on Jun 2, 2015 7:48:52 GMT
unfortunately, you do not get points for being nice.
Chelsea have the biggest shit in football, he is their captain as well, his parents steal clothes and sell drugs. But I bet they are glad they put his ability over his character this season.
Thierry Henry: Great character and ability but cheated Ireland out of a World Cup slot.
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Post by nomar on Jun 2, 2015 21:49:58 GMT
unfortunately, you do not get points for being nice. Chelsea have the biggest shite in football, he is their captain as well, his parents steal clothes and sell drugs. But I bet they are glad they put his ability over his character this season. Thierry Henry: Great character and ability but cheated Ireland out of a World Cup slot. Big clubs can get away with having talented players who misbehave. Small clubs can't. It's not fair but unfortunately that's the way it works in football.
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Post by sharky on Jun 2, 2015 23:10:52 GMT
Barton was a good influence in the training arena as well. Wouldn't have taken the sh1t from the players that Hughes did.
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Post by nomar on Jun 2, 2015 23:53:31 GMT
Barton was a good influence in the training arena as well. Wouldn't have taken the sh1t from the players that Hughes did. ....but we'll need to disagree on this one So, Barton decides to clamp down on a few miscreants on the training ground and one of them turns round and says 'yeah and you're the guy who punched that Hull player in the stomach. Not the first time you did that either is it? Morten Gamst Pederson says hello...." How do you respond to that if you're Barton? This is the problem. Its like me going out and getting done for turning over several of the local newsagents then telling my kids not to steal their classmates lunch money. Why would or should they listen to me? If you want to impose discipline and standards on your team its hard to do it when the club captain doesn't set the leading example. Regardless of how much effort he puts in or how well he plays those issues will always be with him and that makes it a difficult sell because you're basically telling the rest of the team to not do as he does but do as he says. Anyway, I really am sick to death of talking about Barton now. It's a free country and if fans want to mourn his departure so be it. I'm far more interested in what players like Luongo and Gladwin can offer the team this coming season. I'm really excited about Gladwin, I think he could be a real diamond in the rough. These are the kinds of players we should have been getting 4 years ago and if we had have done so then this club would be a much happier place now than it has been the last few years.
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Jun 3, 2015 9:51:34 GMT
Its like me going out and getting done for turning over several of the local newsagents then telling my kids not to steal their classmates lunch money. Why would or should they listen to me? . They'd listen to you because you're talking to them as someone who's been there, done that, and seen the error of your ways and don't want them to make the same mistakes. These are the kinds of players we should have been getting 4 years ago and if we had have done so then this club would be a much happier place now than it has been the last few years. Agreed - but I'm optimistic that our club is at last becoming that 'happier place'.
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Post by bowranger on Jun 3, 2015 10:44:48 GMT
Its like me going out and getting done for turning over several of the local newsagents then telling my kids not to steal their classmates lunch money. Why would or should they listen to me? . They'd listen to you because you're talking to them as someone who's been there, done that, and seen the error of your ways and don't want them to make the same mistakes. These are the kinds of players we should have been getting 4 years ago and if we had have done so then this club would be a much happier place now than it has been the last few years. Agreed - but I'm optimistic that our club is at last becoming that 'happier place'. It's difficult though isn't it - because on the one hand I agree because that "been there, done that" factor means kids are potentially more likely to listen. But on the other hand, Barton still mixes really poor behavior (needless red cards through lack of discipline, disrespecting the club on social media etc. etc.) with working very hard on the pitch (sometimes he's the best player on the pitch, sometimes he's an absolute liability). To me, the message that sends to younger players is not actually one of self-improvement and being willing to change. The message that that sends is that you can still be a multi-millionaire after behaving really badly as long as you give your all on the pitch most of the time. I don't think that's good enough for role model status - or at least, not enough of a reason to keep someone at a football club. Similarly, I'm not sure if someone who has done awful stuff and keeps talking about how he's changed is necessarily a better influence on young players than a player who's consistently behaved well. As in, why would Barton necessarily be a better influence than players like Clint Hill or Gareth Ainsworth etc.? Cos they, by the same token, they've been there, done it and are reaping the benefits of not behaving like a dick. Will young players only take advice on not behaving poorly from someone who has behaved poorly before? Fundamentally, some things are worth more than a performance on the pitch - in terms of the less obvious but still important effects on a football club. The message it sends to other staff and players, in terms of creating an atmosphere around the club, in terms of the players we attract. Clubs have checks and balances in place in terms of their standards and fundamentally no other club of an equivalent size (or bigger) want anything to do with Barton and I think that's important. He mostly gives 100% on the pitch and I respect that - he's been superb a number of times this season. But I think that's also a symptom of some of the dross we've had at our club over the last few years. It's similar to probably why I'm being pretty soft on Ramsey considering his attitude compared to 'Arry or Hughes. If you've seen lots of players who shirk responsibility, who don't seem too fussed when they walk onto Loftus Road, who consistently leave the pitch without bothering to acknowledge the fans, someone who gives a bit of blood and thunder on the pitch and gives us a clap suddenly becomes the exception.
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Post by nomar on Jun 3, 2015 13:30:02 GMT
They'd listen to you because you're talking to them as someone who's been there, done that, and seen the error of your ways and don't want them to make the same mistakes. Agreed - but I'm optimistic that our club is at last becoming that 'happier place'. It's difficult though isn't it - because on the one hand I agree because that "been there, done that" factor means kids are potentially more likely to listen. But on the other hand, Barton still mixes really poor behavior (needless red cards through lack of discipline, disrespecting the club on social media etc. etc.) with working very hard on the pitch (sometimes he's the best player on the pitch, sometimes he's an absolute liability). To me, the message that sends to younger players is not actually one of self-improvement and being willing to change. The message that that sends is that you can still be a multi-millionaire after behaving really badly as long as you give your all on the pitch most of the time. I don't think that's good enough for role model status - or at least, not enough of a reason to keep someone at a football club. Similarly, I'm not sure if someone who has done awful stuff and keeps talking about how he's changed is necessarily a better influence on young players than a player who's consistently behaved well. As in, why would Barton necessarily be a better influence than players like Clint Hill or Gareth Ainsworth etc.? Cos they, by the same token, they've been there, done it and are reaping the benefits of not behaving like a dick. Will young players only take advice on not behaving poorly from someone who has behaved poorly before? Fundamentally, some things are worth more than a performance on the pitch - in terms of the less obvious but still important effects on a football club. The message it sends to other staff and players, in terms of creating an atmosphere around the club, in terms of the players we attract. Clubs have checks and balances in place in terms of their standards and fundamentally no other club of an equivalent size (or bigger) want anything to do with Barton and I think that's important. He mostly gives 100% on the pitch and I respect that - he's been superb a number of times this season. But I think that's also a symptom of some of the dross we've had at our club over the last few years. It's similar to probably why I'm being pretty soft on Ramsey considering his attitude compared to 'Arry or Hughes. If you've seen lots of players who shirk responsibility, who don't seem too fussed when they walk onto Loftus Road, who consistently leave the pitch without bothering to acknowledge the fans, someone who gives a bit of blood and thunder on the pitch and gives us a clap suddenly becomes the exception. Very much this. Standards at QPR are so low now that we applaud players who actually do what they're being paid multiple tens of thousands of pounds a week to do. We should be expecting the club captain to be doing that and keeping his nose clean on and off the pitch. That should be a minimum requirement not an added bonus. This all stems back to the culture of desperation that led us to sign these players in the first place and made them feel like we should be grateful that they deemed us worthy of their services.
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Post by Dufster on Jun 3, 2015 22:55:20 GMT
It's difficult though isn't it - because on the one hand I agree because that "been there, done that" factor means kids are potentially more likely to listen. But on the other hand, Barton still mixes really poor behavior (needless red cards through lack of discipline, disrespecting the club on social media etc. etc.) with working very hard on the pitch (sometimes he's the best player on the pitch, sometimes he's an absolute liability). To me, the message that sends to younger players is not actually one of self-improvement and being willing to change. The message that that sends is that you can still be a multi-millionaire after behaving really badly as long as you give your all on the pitch most of the time. I don't think that's good enough for role model status - or at least, not enough of a reason to keep someone at a football club. Similarly, I'm not sure if someone who has done awful stuff and keeps talking about how he's changed is necessarily a better influence on young players than a player who's consistently behaved well. As in, why would Barton necessarily be a better influence than players like Clint Hill or Gareth Ainsworth etc.? Cos they, by the same token, they've been there, done it and are reaping the benefits of not behaving like a dick. Will young players only take advice on not behaving poorly from someone who has behaved poorly before? Fundamentally, some things are worth more than a performance on the pitch - in terms of the less obvious but still important effects on a football club. The message it sends to other staff and players, in terms of creating an atmosphere around the club, in terms of the players we attract. Clubs have checks and balances in place in terms of their standards and fundamentally no other club of an equivalent size (or bigger) want anything to do with Barton and I think that's important. He mostly gives 100% on the pitch and I respect that - he's been superb a number of times this season. But I think that's also a symptom of some of the dross we've had at our club over the last few years. It's similar to probably why I'm being pretty soft on Ramsey considering his attitude compared to 'Arry or Hughes. If you've seen lots of players who shirk responsibility, who don't seem too fussed when they walk onto Loftus Road, who consistently leave the pitch without bothering to acknowledge the fans, someone who gives a bit of blood and thunder on the pitch and gives us a clap suddenly becomes the exception. Very much this. Standards at QPR are so low now that we applaud players who actually do what they're being paid multiple tens of thousands of pounds a week to do. We should be expecting the club captain to be doing that and keeping his nose clean on and off the pitch. That should be a minimum requirement not an added bonus. This all stems back to the culture of desperation that led us to sign these players in the first place and made them feel like we should be grateful that they deemed us worthy of their services. Bow a thoughtful and insightful comment sadly undermined by the complete diarrhoea.
I think they called it over identification when Hitler had the same disease! Any kind of lucid thought outside of ones ego is automatically dismissed!!
Still just had an excellent evening with my beautiful wife in an excellent restaurant in Poole harbour this evening...it was light until 10.30!!
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