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Post by sharky on May 27, 2015 23:10:07 GMT
F#ck off Barton and good riddance. We have our club back ....partially. Now for fernandes. Not sure I understood what it is you want maude as your never direct. I think your glad Joey has gone and that you would like TF to go. Am I right?
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Post by steptoesson on May 27, 2015 23:47:33 GMT
F#ck off Barton and good riddance. We have our club back ....partially. Now for fernandes. Think you will have a bit of a wait yet maude. Fernandes is waiting on his corporate pals to make up their minds about HS2 and then old oak. Only when that is all decided will you see his real intentions.
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Post by maude on May 28, 2015 0:13:17 GMT
F#ck off Barton and good riddance. We have our club back ....partially. Now for fernandes. Not sure I understood what it is you want maude as your never direct. I think your glad Joey has gone and that you would like TF to go. Am I right? I like you sharky
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Post by maude on May 28, 2015 0:15:46 GMT
F#ck off Barton and good riddance. We have our club back ....partially. Now for fernandes. Think you will have a bit of a wait yet maude. Fernandes is waiting on his corporate pals to make up their minds about HS2 and then old oak. Only when that is all decided will you see his real intentions. Don't need to wait till then steptoe my friend, he has shown his cards already.
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Post by harr on May 28, 2015 8:38:54 GMT
I didn't mean it in that context, i'm not thick Fabs I meant as in we have/buy a certain number of midfielders in for the start and if we lose one straight away, makes us short for most of the season again or we rush in a loan, not ideal if you get my drift. No need to take it personally. If anything, it was to confirm that it hadn't changed. No change to my knowledge? Not taken personally, no worries.
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Post by nomar on May 29, 2015 0:16:59 GMT
I wont lose sleep if we offer him a contract in August or we dont . He would be an asset but we might be able to get a younger version. You should lose lots of sleep if this club performs the footballing version of a dog returning to it's own vomit for second helpings by re-signing Barton. Regardless of how much effort he put in the last 2 years the fact remains that he has been the poster boy for everything that has been wrong with QPR for the last 4 years. Overpaying self indulgent 'superstars' who came here for the money and proceeded to sh*t all over the good name of this club whilst collecting hefty wedges every month regardless of how little effort they put in, how many times they let the club down or dragged its name in the dirt. As a club now, Ramsey and Ferdinand are trying to install standards, proper conduct and respect for the club and its supporters into every player that puts on a QPR shirt from hereon in. They bring Barton back they immediately rip up that textbook and tell everyone that they are returning to the way things were before. That actually they are still desperate for a bit of that 'star pulling power' to make QPR relevant. You get rid of Barton and keep him gone you send a message to every new signing that you are dead serious when you say that this is a club where discipline is going to be imposed and standards followed with no exceptions. That this is now a club where character matters and it trumps any footballing ability you might have. Fans even thinking of getting Barton back 'at reduced rates' later this summer quite frankly show an appalling and distressing inability to fully grasp exactly how ***ing damaging to this club signings like Barton have been and why it was absolutely and completely necessary to end his association with this club when his deal expired.
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Post by harr on May 29, 2015 9:37:34 GMT
I wont lose sleep if we offer him a contract in August or we dont . He would be an asset but we might be able to get a younger version. You should lose lots of sleep if this club performs the footballing version of a dog returning to it's own vomit for second helpings by re-signing Barton. Regardless of how much effort he put in the last 2 years the fact remains that he has been the poster boy for everything that has been wrong with QPR for the last 4 years. Overpaying self indulgent 'superstars' who came here for the money and proceeded to sh*t all over the good name of this club whilst collecting hefty wedges every month regardless of how little effort they put in, how many times they let the club down or dragged its name in the dirt. As a club now, Ramsey and Ferdinand are trying to install standards, proper conduct and respect for the club and its supporters into every player that puts on a QPR shirt from hereon in. They bring Barton back they immediately rip up that textbook and tell everyone that they are returning to the way things were before. That actually they are still desperate for a bit of that 'star pulling power' to make QPR relevant. You get rid of Barton and keep him gone you send a message to every new signing that you are dead serious when you say that this is a club where discipline is going to be imposed and standards followed with no exceptions. That this is now a club where character matters and it trumps any footballing ability you might have. Fans even thinking of getting Barton back 'at reduced rates' later this summer quite frankly show an appalling and distressing inability to fully grasp exactly how ***ing damaging to this club signings like Barton have been and why it was absolutely and completely necessary to end his association with this club when his deal expired. He's trouble, no question of that. But so is Taarabt and we have had him sculking around the place 3 years on and off. All Im saying Barton was no doubt one of our best four performers last year. Saying that he got sent off and banned which probably cost us 4-5 points. Am I upset he is gone not really. Would I be that upset if he cant get a Prem Club and we give him a year deal on lowered wages in August, no I could see some logic in that, just my opinion. Im more concerened of getting Taarabt off our books than taking Barton back if frank. But your right about his big gob and tweeting. He is way above himself at times and I thought the insults he threw at Rodney and that other Man City player were totally disrespectful and sad so fully understand your comments.
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Post by sirpiechucker on May 29, 2015 10:31:57 GMT
Given we've offered Henry a deal and just signed two central midfielders I think the club is highly unlikely to offer Barton a new deal if he still hasn't found a club by August. We've bought two guys who had excellent seasons and to bring them in and say sorry lads because we can now get Barton much cheaper you won't be starting would leave a bad taste in the mouth. I'm hoping under LF/CR we will revamp the squad with a clear focus on youth, a new wage structure in place which rewards consistency and loyalty and brings players in who see us a step up who can focus on for 3/4/5 years.
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on May 29, 2015 10:35:25 GMT
We've offered Hill, Faurlin and Henry new deals - have any of the offers been accepted?
I see Ale is in Argentina at the moment, maybe they're just all on their hols...
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Post by nomar on May 29, 2015 11:02:38 GMT
We've offered Hill, Faurlin and Henry new deals - have any of the offers been accepted? I see Ale is in Argentina at the moment, maybe they're just all on their hols... I think Ale will bite our hand off to stay here another year. Unless Hill has other plans or just wants out of football completely then I think he'll sign too. I don't know what Henry's been offered but unless he's getting offers from Premier league teams I can't imagine him not taking up the option. I imagine he's a candidate for the captaincy if he stays?
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on May 29, 2015 12:03:47 GMT
I see the Standard is saying Dunne may still be offered a contract.
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Post by harr on May 29, 2015 12:27:57 GMT
We've offered Hill, Faurlin and Henry new deals - have any of the offers been accepted? I see Ale is in Argentina at the moment, maybe they're just all on their hols... I think I read somewhere that Clint was going to sign a one year deal, may have been bull.
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Post by harr on May 29, 2015 12:29:14 GMT
I see the Standard is saying Dunne may still be offered a contract. That wouldnt upset me that much if it was a one yr deal only. We need bodies.
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Post by corndog on May 29, 2015 16:26:35 GMT
I see the Standard is saying Dunne may still be offered a contract. That wouldnt upset me that much if it was a one yr deal only. We need bodies. I was actually surprised when I saw he was just going to be released. He should be on reasonable wages and he can still do a job in the Championship. Also, considering he will be surrounded by younger players, it would be good to have some experience at the back.
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Post by nomar on May 29, 2015 17:07:05 GMT
Considering people are moaning about us giving Faurlin a deal yet they are happy to have Dunne back?
Dunne's knees are shot. He's one of he decent ones for sure, but I would be surprised if he can deal with the rigours of a 46 game season anymore.
Still, its not my call to make if they take him back.
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on May 29, 2015 18:35:40 GMT
Dunne's knees are shot. He's one of he decent ones for sure, but I would be surprised if he can deal with the rigours of a 46 game season anymore. You're right, but as cover, as a sub when we need to tighten things at the back for the last 20 minutes, as an example to the increasing number of young players on you to conduct yourself and as a wise head in terms of defensive coaching... well, I don't think you could get much better. Would be delighted if he got another 12 months.
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Post by corndog on May 29, 2015 19:02:08 GMT
Dunne's knees are shot. He's one of he decent ones for sure, but I would be surprised if he can deal with the rigours of a 46 game season anymore. You're right, but as cover, as a sub when we need to tighten things at the back for the last 20 minutes, as an example to the increasing number of young players on you to conduct yourself and as a wise head in terms of defensive coaching... well, I don't think you could get much better. Would be delighted if he got another 12 months. Agree, he would be solid back up player and a great leader for the youth. For me, they either keep him or Onouha and it looks like Onouha might get sold.
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Post by harr on May 29, 2015 19:44:19 GMT
Considering people are moaning about us giving Faurlin a deal yet they are happy to have Dunne back? Dunne's knees are shot. He's one of he decent ones for sure, but I would be surprised if he can deal with the rigours of a 46 game season anymore. Still, its not my call to make if they take him back. Dont agree with that really Nomar. Faurlin has had three ACLs injuries, cant remember but maybe all on same knee. That knee will possibly have a weakness, plus he hasnt played much football of late. So its very risky. Not played many games over the last couple of season when Dunne is total opposite. Dunne was bought from Villa where they never played him. He came into the Championship played nearly every game and was exceptional and a massive help to our defence. Dunne then stepped up to the Prem and was argueably our best defender until he picked up that injury. We probably missed him a bit for a few weeks. If he didnt play every game he could play some. I personally feel Dunne has done a better job than Clint Hill for us in the last two years as a defender and yet Clint was offered a deal. Dont get me wrong , we do need some younger defenders too.
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Post by Roller on May 29, 2015 19:56:50 GMT
I think the point that Nomar is making is that there is no way that Dunne's knees are getting better, with Faurlin we can hope.
To attempt to clear up a couple of points, Faurlin's first and second ACL were on different knees, the third was when his second opp failed. I don't think that Henry hasn't been offered a new deal, it is a clause in his original deal that he has the right to exercise. I do wonder if the club would like him to do so or not?
I'd agree that Dunne over Hill would make sense, but I just love watching Clint Hill.
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Post by harr on May 29, 2015 20:09:20 GMT
No of course they are not . Yes I wasnt sure about different knees, thanks for clearing that up Roller.
But Ale has played about 9 -10 League games in two years, so still a big risk. We all want to Ale to be the player he was but sometimes it just dont happen after one ACL let alone three. I'm certainly not righting Ale off by the way. Dunne has played 67 league games in the last two years (Something like 73 with cup and Ireland)and been very good in most of them , pretty solid. If Caulker and Onouha were half as good as people made out things may have been different.
I think Ale would be the bigger risk, Dunne wouldnt have to play 46 games although he has showed us he is capable .
Hill was not a Premiership defender, what ever way you look at it, he was out of his depth. Fantastic leader, fantastic coach maybe, fantstic to have in the dressing room most certainly but found wanting in the Prem most weeks and really shouldnt have played as many games.
Im not sure why we didn't just give Dunne a one year deal and Clint a deal mainly for coaching and be around dressing room.
I would like Karl to take up that option now Bartons gone.
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Post by harr on May 29, 2015 20:21:00 GMT
In fact Ale has played or took part in 54 matches in four seasons. Dunne on the hand has took part in 116 matches in the same period.
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Post by Roller on May 29, 2015 20:27:24 GMT
No of course they are not . Yes I wasnt sure about different knees, thanks for clearing that up Roller. But Ale has played about 9 -10 League games in two years, so still a big risk. We all want to Ale to be the player he was but sometimes it just dont happen after one ACL let alone three. I'm certainly not righting Ale off by the way. Dunne has played 67 league games in the last two years (Something like 73 with cup and Ireland)and been very good in most of them , pretty solid. If Caulker and Onouha were half as good as people made out things may have been different. I think Ale would be the bigger risk, Dunne wouldnt have to play 46 games although he has showed us he is capable . Hill was not a Premiership defender, what ever way you look at it, he was out of his depth. Fantastic leader, fantastic coach maybe, fantstic to have in the dressing room most certainly but found wanting in the Prem most weeks and really shouldnt have played as many games. Im not sure why we didn't just give Dunne a one year deal and Clint a deal mainly for coaching and be around dressing room. I would like Karl to take up that option now Bartons gone. I wouldn't disagree with any of that mate. Hill should have retired after Wembley, it was always going to be down hill after that magical moment. He will be able to "do a job" next season, but please not at left back. I hope that we get offers for Caulker and Onouha and I'd snatch the arms off whoever makes them. As for Henry, I'd be happy to see him stay and he has definitely been one of our better players this season, but I'd have thought we could do better.
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Post by Marc on May 29, 2015 20:34:46 GMT
As much as I think Dunne has done a great job over the last 2 seasons, I hope we don't offer him a contract. We really do need younger players in the centre of our defence. Onouha dissapointed this season but I think the Championship is his level. It may also be Caulker's.
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Post by Roller on May 29, 2015 20:46:29 GMT
As much as I think Dunne has done a great job over the last 2 seasons, I hope we don't offer him a contract. We really do need younger players in the centre of our defence. Onouha dissapointed this season but I think the Championship is his level. It may also be Caulker's. I'd agree on all accounts. As much as Hill or Dunne could do a job I'd sure that Ehmer could do better, likewise Donaldson, Kpekawa, Furlong and Harriman.
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Post by harr on May 29, 2015 21:56:14 GMT
Youth is definitely the way forward and agree with Fabs and your comments Roller, time to make the change.
My conclusion would though be in my eyes Ale would be a bigger risk than Dunne . And also that Dunne can count himself unlucky as has been a better defender than Clint in actual defending.
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Post by harr on May 29, 2015 21:59:56 GMT
As much as I think Dunne has done a great job over the last 2 seasons, I hope we don't offer him a contract. We really do need younger players in the centre of our defence. Onouha dissapointed this season but I think the Championship is his level. It may also be Caulker's. I'd agree on all accounts. As much as Hill or Dunne could do a job I'd sure that Ehmer could do better, likewise Donaldson, Kpekawa, Furlong and Harriman. Not sure Kpekawa is ready for the Championship. Only played a handful of games last season at Portsmouth and Colchester, not really enough time to get a run in a team but some of the reports were pretty gruesome
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Post by corndog on May 30, 2015 0:21:58 GMT
I'd agree on all accounts. As much as Hill or Dunne could do a job I'd sure that Ehmer could do better, likewise Donaldson, Kpekawa, Furlong and Harriman. Not sure Kpekawa is ready for the Championship. Only played a handful of games last season at Portsmouth and Colchester, not really enough time to get a run in a team but some of the reports were pretty gruesome I would say Ehmer and maybe Donaldson as CBs. It all depends on whether we sell Caulker and/or Onouha, since Hill will stay and can be used in emergency situations. Furlong and Harriman should be fine at RB, actually would be an interesting battle for starter. Yun at LB, with Robinson as back when he returns. So we might have to get a back up LB, might call up someone from the youth squad to back up Yun.
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Post by NO1QPRNZ on May 30, 2015 11:20:09 GMT
I am all for Youth but we must get the right balance.Look at Fulham when they came down from the Premier League. with a very youthful Team I think they were Bottom of the Championship for about 10 or 12 weeks.Look where they finished up also!!!
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Post by harr on May 30, 2015 11:36:45 GMT
I am all for Youth but we must get the right balance.Look at Fulham when they came down from the Premier League. with a very youthful Team I think they were Bottom of the Championship for about 10 or 12 weeks.Look where they finished up also!!! Yes a worrying example. I think they kept Parker and a host of overseas players aswell as youth. You might argue too many overseas players in a Championship team isnt a good thing ? Do they show the tenacity required in that division. They also paid about 10 million for The Striker from Leeds. Hell of alot to pay in that Division. Most Clubs just slate QPR for signings and forget about other teams. I noticed hosts of tweets from Leeds fans this week moaning like hell that we were still making transfers when they had an embargo. Can someone tell me did Forest get a three window embargo?
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Post by harr on May 30, 2015 11:40:33 GMT
Not sure Kpekawa is ready for the Championship. Only played a handful of games last season at Portsmouth and Colchester, not really enough time to get a run in a team but some of the reports were pretty gruesome I would say Ehmer and maybe Donaldson as CBs. It all depends on whether we sell Caulker and/or Onouha, since Hill will stay and can be used in emergency situations. Furlong and Harriman should be fine at RB, actually would be an interesting battle for starter. Yun at LB, with Robinson as back when he returns. So we might have to get a back up LB, might call up someone from the youth squad to back up Yun. I wouldnt be at all surprised to see three more defenders purchased in the next month. With three strikers coming in too and Charlie going the other way. I expect Onouha and Caulker to stay and I doubt we will be lucky enough to get rid of Traore. Wouldnt surprise me to lose Fer , Phillips or Hoillet . At least one of these three will go and a replacement to come in. I think Henry will sign a one year deal, Sandro will stay and probably Taarabt aswell.
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