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Post by rickyqpr on Aug 14, 2022 16:02:01 GMT
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Post by bardsley on Aug 15, 2022 15:59:48 GMT
If Reading is unable to get new goalie, they are going down for sure.
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Post by rickyqpr on Jul 1, 2023 12:47:18 GMT
Hard to work out what the keeper plan is for 23/24 right now.
I thought Archer would be on his toes, but he has signed for another season - and yet the vibe does not seem to be as number one (thankfully).
All the signs are that we do not expect Seny to sign a new contract and the club seem to want the cash now rather than sell for nothing next year.
Mahony Murphy is on loan to Swindon for the season. His contract also runs out next Summer.
Walsh was supposed to be the great hope but has not really figured....
Bergovic said to be in negotiation with the club, at 36, and hardly played the last two years, would we offer more than one season?
So as it stands today, we have 4 senior keepers (maybe 5), all of whom are free agents next Summer. No idea if there are any extension options - but that is poor management and quite grim.
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Post by harr on Jul 1, 2023 13:00:19 GMT
I thought it was Seny @ Leeds or Boro and Bergovic incoming unless he decides Luton as number 2, would be number 1 with us.
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Post by rickyqpr on Jul 1, 2023 13:17:41 GMT
I thought it was Seny @ Leeds or Boro and Bergovic incoming unless he decides Luton as number 2, would be number 1 with us. Yes apparently. Not sure what I feel about that. I thought we may go for Isted when he left Luton, but he has gone to Charlton now. But it is an odd situation being a keeper. You can earn a good living without playing. I wa surprised that we extended Archer - especially if he is going to be number 2 to whoever. It means that Walsh and Mahoney will not be number 2 keeper - so Mahoney loaned out, presumably Walsh will have to stay because we need 3. But2 young promising keepers, contracts expiring next year, not going to feature in all probability. But we may well go with Bergovic and Archer - neither have played very much football post the Covid lockdown. Unless Mahoney has a blinder at Swindon and we rercall him January I guess. |
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Post by robindubois on Jul 2, 2023 8:06:26 GMT
No truth in the rumour then that Seny loves the London Clubbing nightlife so much that he will stay and run down his contract. Still De Gea is a free agent at Man U. so maybe we have something planned.  Seriously though I would have kept hold of Mahoney at least until the Seny situation was sorted out. Then we would have the choice between a promising Mahoney - Phil Parkes was younger when he went into our first team - or someone like Bergovic. While Bergovic is not "one for the future" we know that keepers have a much longer playing span than outfield players and experience to guide the back 4 would be useful. Many moaned when we had to sign Marshall a couple of seasons ago but he showed what an experienced keeper can bring to the squad. I think a key part of what we can expect to see is a no nonsense solid defence and build the team from there. If Clarke--Salter can stay fit with Dunne and Paal we have a start but the keeper and right back situations are wide open unknowns at the moment and I hope we get those positions pinned down as quickly as possible. Archer is not the solution. If we are forced to use Archer is our number one we must be in serious trouble on the pitch as well as financially |
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Post by blatantfowl on Jul 2, 2023 10:31:59 GMT
The most prevalent thing experienced keepers have brought to our club recently is injury.
I’d rather know just how GA intends to play. If he wants a keeper to pass it out and receive the ball to feet to re-distribute like so many high possession teams do then his choices will be limited. It’s a tactic that says sooner or later, the keeper will make a mistake. That’s why De Gea is considered both brilliant and terrible in equal measure.
I’d rather we just get a shot stopper with a big kick. We’ll never be able to compete as a possession team. It was only when we gave up on that last season that we protected the entire defence from calamitous mistakes got some crucial results.
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Post by rickyqpr on Jul 3, 2023 15:31:47 GMT
No truth in the rumour then that Seny loves the London Clubbing nightlife so much that he will stay and run down his contract. Most of his chums have moved on. Roberts and Laird will be stepping out in Birmingham's nightlife next season, perhaps Seny is waiting for a call from Villa. |
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Post by stylecouncillor on Jul 5, 2023 10:34:04 GMT
The most prevalent thing experienced keepers have brought to our club recently is injury. I’d rather know just how GA intends to play. If he wants a keeper to pass it out and receive the ball to feet to re-distribute like so many high possession teams do then his choices will be limited. It’s a tactic that says sooner or later, the keeper will make a mistake. That’s why De Gea is considered both brilliant and terrible in equal measure. I’d rather we just get a shot stopper with a big kick. We’ll never be able to compete as a possession team. It was only when we gave up on that last season that we protected the entire defence from calamitous mistakes got some crucial results. I've always thought we missed the bloody obvious with Dieng. He's probably the best goalkeeper who can pass the ball in decades the club has had. Now our defence is not Man city's. So why is our two footed goalkeeper passing to defenders, when he's the better passer of a ball ?... I also thought he would be well suited for a premier league club.... but now with high press its probably only a matter of time before manager's realise this whole tactic is pointless especially with goal kicks. |
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Post by rickyqpr on Jul 5, 2023 11:34:39 GMT
Think Seny is off to boro.
I think that is a shame. Possibly, lost his way last season, but I always rated him.
We are being linked with Bailey Peacock-Farrell (Burnley). we apparently want a loan.
But he is in his last year and Burnley are about to sign Trafford for £19m and so they want to sell.
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Post by rickyqpr on Jul 8, 2023 12:22:46 GMT
Seny departed now.
I an surprised we extended Archer though.
Had we not, I would have expected a signing with Walsh as number 2, playing cup games.
We are linked with other keepers, so my guess would be that if we sign one we will want to send Walsh out on loan, with Archer on the bench once again.
Walsh is on his extension year. we may have an option for a further year on Mahoney, but in theory both could leave without getting in to the first team.
I hope we have a plan, we have known Seny was likely to leave for the last 7 months.
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Post by robindubois on Jul 8, 2023 12:35:32 GMT
Seny departed now. I an surprised we extended Archer though. Had we not, I would have expected a signing with Walsh as number 2, playing cup games. We are linked with other keepers, so my guess would be that if we sign one we will want to send Walsh out on loan, with Archer on the bench once again. Walsh is on his extension year. we may have an option for a further year on Mahoney, but in theory both could leave without getting in to the first team. I hope we have a plan, we have known Seny was likely to leave for the last 7 months. Mostly agree but I think we either have to have 3 keepers on the books or we rely on the "emergency loan" option for back up. Archer does not fill me with confidence but I can understand keeping him on as the number 2 for this season, happy to bench warm again, with Walsh or Mahoney in the development squad. That means we need a no 1 keeper and knowing that Seny would be gone we should have drawn up a shortlist ages ago - although I suppose we needed to see who became available on a free at the end of last season. Still we have a few other glaring gaps in the squad to address so it may all come down to accepting a downgrade keeper so we can fill gaps that are totally open. |
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Post by harr on Jul 8, 2023 13:09:48 GMT
Seny departed now. I an surprised we extended Archer though. Had we not, I would have expected a signing with Walsh as number 2, playing cup games. We are linked with other keepers, so my guess would be that if we sign one we will want to send Walsh out on loan, with Archer on the bench once again. Walsh is on his extension year. we may have an option for a further year on Mahoney, but in theory both could leave without getting in to the first team. I hope we have a plan, we have known Seny was likely to leave for the last 7 months. (I hope we have a plan) A cunning plan, is Hoos playing the role of Baldrick 🤷♂️ As we seem linked to a New Keeper I can only agree that Archer will be bench warmer again. Apart from Bergovic has there any other goalies we are linked to. |
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Post by stylecouncillor on Jul 8, 2023 13:10:08 GMT
Bit of a disappointment with Seny leaving for Boro thought he was the best keeper we had in years. I would of excepted more if he had moved out of the championship.
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Post by rickyqpr on Jul 8, 2023 13:20:48 GMT
Bit of a disappointment with Seny leaving for Boro thought he was the best keeper we had in years. I would of excepted more if he had moved out of the championship. Yes, but how much did he depreciate last season? We forgave him his errors because we knew how good he could be. But he was part of the problem, sadly. But Ainsworth was critical of the culture. Three stories were loud. 1) Players who did not buy into Ainsworth and were said to be laughing at him (dress / pop star etc.). The two names stated were Johansen and Dickie - and where are they now? 2) Players sitting down on the pitch, phoning it in, not being quite right. The players who did that were mainly loanees - but none of them remain. 3) Nightclub culture. Even stories that some players were not available if we had a long distance away game. Seny could not be accused of any of that, but he was very much part of the Saturday night clubbing. Again, the loanees were centre stage to all this. I would think that this will not be the case for next season. I think the other point is that some players decided it was time to move on about February. I think the only one who remains now is Willock. Chair and Dykes never gave anything less than 100%. I am sure that QPR would have been prepared to offer the best we could afford, but there has never really been any talk about him staying. So he wanted out I guess - so we move on. But I agree with you, our best keeper for some time. |
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Post by robindubois on Jul 8, 2023 13:56:17 GMT
Bit of a disappointment with Seny leaving for Boro thought he was the best keeper we had in years. I would of excepted more if he had moved out of the championship. Yes, but how much did he depreciate last season? We forgave him his errors because we knew how good he could be. But he was part of the problem, sadly. But Ainsworth was critical of the culture. Three stories were loud. 1) Players who did not buy into Ainsworth and were said to be laughing at him (dress / pop star etc.). The two names stated were Johansen and Dickie - and where are they now? 2) Players sitting down on the pitch, phoning it in, not being quite right. The players who did that were mainly loanees - but none of them remain. 3) Nightclub culture. Even stories that some players were not available if we had a long distance away game. Seny could not be accused of any of that, but he was very much part of the Saturday night clubbing. Again, the loanees were centre stage to all this. I would think that this will not be the case for next season. I think the other point is that some players decided it was time to move on about February. I think the only one who remains now is Willock. Chair and Dykes never gave anything less than 100%. I am sure that QPR would have been prepared to offer the best we could afford, but there has never really been any talk about him staying. So he wanted out I guess - so we move on. But I agree with you, our best keeper for some time. Plus "player power". Sell me now on the cheap or I run down my final year without much effort, picking up my pay checks and then walk for free, picking up a signing on fee as a free agent. Not saying Seny did that but it obviously happens time and time again these days and there is nothing a club can do about it. |
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Post by rickyqpr on Jul 8, 2023 14:24:08 GMT
Yes, but how much did he depreciate last season? We forgave him his errors because we knew how good he could be. But he was part of the problem, sadly. But Ainsworth was critical of the culture. Three stories were loud. 1) Players who did not buy into Ainsworth and were said to be laughing at him (dress / pop star etc.). The two names stated were Johansen and Dickie - and where are they now? 2) Players sitting down on the pitch, phoning it in, not being quite right. The players who did that were mainly loanees - but none of them remain. 3) Nightclub culture. Even stories that some players were not available if we had a long distance away game. Seny could not be accused of any of that, but he was very much part of the Saturday night clubbing. Again, the loanees were centre stage to all this. I would think that this will not be the case for next season. I think the other point is that some players decided it was time to move on about February. I think the only one who remains now is Willock. Chair and Dykes never gave anything less than 100%. I am sure that QPR would have been prepared to offer the best we could afford, but there has never really been any talk about him staying. So he wanted out I guess - so we move on. But I agree with you, our best keeper for some time. Plus "player power". Sell me now on the cheap or I run down my final year without much effort, picking up my pay checks and then walk for free, picking up a signing on fee as a free agent. Not saying Seny did that but it obviously happens time and time again these days and there is nothing a club can do about it. Very true - although the three I cited were I suggest, what Ainsworth found unique to QPR and last season. The running the contract down / sell me culture is everywhere - driven by the evil agents. It is the fact that Ainsworth and Dobbo are changing culture, aided by the new training ground, that I retain hope for the coming season. We had better players last season, but what good were they if the culture was so negative. We were a busted flush. We may well start slowly, but if he is backed, I hope he can turn it around. |
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Post by rickyqpr on Jul 9, 2023 6:27:46 GMT
Seems that I forgot Jake Clarke-Salter when I said that none of the pitch squatters remain. 15 minutes yesterday before he had to be replaced for a kick in the calf.
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Post by robindubois on Jul 9, 2023 7:30:59 GMT
Seems that I forgot Jake Clarke-Salter when I said that none of the pitch squatters remain. 15 minutes yesterday before he had to be replaced for a kick in the calf. Having read his interview on the Offie about the new training regime and it being taylor made to meet individual needs and avoid the injuries of last season I will give him the benefit of the doubt on this one as a precaution after a kick onto calf. If he starts with his hamstring issues again I will start to think again. |
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Post by harr on Jul 9, 2023 9:31:00 GMT
As well as Bergovic, another name I think could be in the pot is Bartosz Białkowski at Millwall.
Millwall are in advanced talks to sign Goalkeeper Mark Travers from Bournemouth .
Millwall have Bialkowski and George long already so wouldn’t think they will keep three at this level.
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Post by robindubois on Jul 10, 2023 10:39:56 GMT
As well as Bergovic, another name I think could be in the pot is Bartosz Białkowski at Millwall. Millwall are in advanced talks to sign Goalkeeper Mark Travers from Bournemouth . Millwall have Bialkowski and George long already so wouldn’t think they will keep three at this level. I hope not just because I will never remember how to spell his name  |
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Post by rickyqpr on Jul 10, 2023 20:42:50 GMT
I know it was only one game, but Archer looked pretty poor on Saturday.
Walsh did not have much to do.
I think that we will have someone else between the sticks by Watford.
If not.......
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Post by nomar on Jul 10, 2023 22:11:15 GMT
I know it was only one game, but Archer looked pretty poor on Saturday. Walsh did not have much to do. I think that we will have someone else between the sticks by Watford. If not....... Yeah, Archer was certainly missing the target with his goal kicks. Fortunately, Dave McIntyre has already said they will get a new keeper, so I don’t think we need to worry about either Archer or Walsh being in goal come match day 1 of the new season. |
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Post by harr on Jul 12, 2023 3:18:40 GMT
Begovic looking likely, year deal |
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Post by rickyqpr on Jul 12, 2023 7:24:53 GMT
Begovic looking likely, year deal Needs must I suppose. But I am concerned that he has hardly played for the last three seasons and is now 36. Age not a problem for keepers if they are playing regularly. But I think that if he starts ahead of Archer (and I hope he does) then it speaks loudly about what the manager and goalkeeper coach think about Archer. Better than no one, but we have three keepers who have had only a handful of first team games between them in the last three years. Perhaps Begovic will become our goalkeeping coach. I don't think he has much to beat in that department. |
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Post by harr on Jul 12, 2023 8:50:23 GMT
Bergovic seems ok to me.
Let the other two youngsters go out on loan and develop, hoping one of them might break through whilst you have Archer and Bergovic seems like good planning and thinking to me.
Unlike why the hell they let Balogun go to Austria to help him get fit so he can probably pop along back up to Scotland with Beale.
Sometimes QPR you are just soft as putty, madness beyond belief.
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Post by robindubois on Jul 12, 2023 12:43:40 GMT
I'm ok with Bergovic who I read has a reputation for keeping himself fit even when not playing. He may need a few games to get thrust out of the system but he has some class and that does not disappear. Wee have too many holes to fill at the moment so a few experienced pro's on short term contracts are fine by me as we cannot expect to be signing anyone costing money.
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Post by nomar on Jul 13, 2023 7:28:26 GMT
Bergovic seems ok to me. Let the other two youngsters go out on loan and develop, hoping one of them might break through whilst you have Archer and Bergovic seems like good planning and thinking to me. Unlike why the hell they let Balogun go to Austria to help him get fit so he can probably pop along back up to Scotland with Beale. Sometimes QPR you are just soft as putty, madness beyond belief. Re Balogun, I think I read somewhere that the rules state that the club a players contract expires with has to continue with his rehabilitation even if his contract ends, until he finds a new club. That would mean QPR had little choice but to keep Balogun until he moved on to Rangers, unless of course we wanted to break more rules just for kicks and giggles……. |
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Post by rickyqpr on Jul 13, 2023 9:07:38 GMT
Bergovic seems ok to me. Let the other two youngsters go out on loan and develop, hoping one of them might break through whilst you have Archer and Bergovic seems like good planning and thinking to me. Unlike why the hell they let Balogun go to Austria to help him get fit so he can probably pop along back up to Scotland with Beale. Sometimes QPR you are just soft as putty, madness beyond belief. Re Balogun, I think I read somewhere that the rules state that the club a players contract expires with has to continue with his rehabilitation even if his contract ends, until he finds a new club. That would mean QPR had little choice but to keep Balogun until he moved on to Rangers, unless of course we wanted to break more rules just for kicks and giggles……. You are correct about the training / rehabilitation. But of course, QPR did not have to give him a free holiday in Austria (I wonder if we paid for his early flight home?). That suggests that we were keen to sign him if he could prove his fitness pre-season - and that he had indicated that he was happy to stay for a further year. Then Micky Beale gets an injury and comes calling.... and there goes Leon! Don't think the club has been soft on this one. The club would have taken stick if his contract had been extended without first proving his fitness. But Beale has struck again in his attempts to become QPR public enemy number one. We seem to be inked with a number of defenders now that before the defection was not the case. So Gareth has been let down....again. |
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Post by robindubois on Jul 13, 2023 10:58:05 GMT
Re Balogun, I think I read somewhere that the rules state that the club a players contract expires with has to continue with his rehabilitation even if his contract ends, until he finds a new club. That would mean QPR had little choice but to keep Balogun until he moved on to Rangers, unless of course we wanted to break more rules just for kicks and giggles……. You are correct about the training / rehabilitation. But of course, QPR did not have to give him a free holiday in Austria (I wonder if we paid for his early flight home?). That suggests that we were keen to sign him if he could prove his fitness pre-season - and that he had indicated that he was happy to stay for a further year. Then Micky Beale gets an injury and comes calling.... and there goes Leon! Don't think the club has been soft on this one. The club would have taken stick if his contract had been extended without first proving his fitness. But Beale has struck again in his attempts to become QPR public enemy number one. We seem to be inked with a number of defenders now that before the defection was not the case. So Gareth has been let down....again. I think. the point here is about timing. Yes we had to carry on his rehab but by the time the players came back for pre-season his rehab was complete from what I have seen , he was fit and training and taken to Austria as we wanted to keep him. But as Ricky said Beale comes knocking and we lose another one. As I said before that puts Balogan in the same boat as Beale in terms of loyalty and probably honesty as well - was he already tapped up by Beale before he left for Austria? Anyway we move on and look for someone else. Question is what do we need - experienced short contract player or bright, up and coming but unproven. Hopefully nit injury prone and not a loan. Second question is if Gareth was let down , who by. Balogan or the missing DOF not getting him to sign? |
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