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Post by londonranger on Dec 30, 2020 16:18:04 GMT
How can the front office and for how long, can QPR not get a better manager.
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Post by londonranger on Dec 30, 2020 16:18:48 GMT
We had one shot on goal yesterday and a penalty. Still cannot score goals.
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Post by rangersman on Dec 31, 2020 17:19:32 GMT
I read the results online, not bothering to follow any matches while that joke is still in charge of QPR.
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Post by harr on Dec 31, 2020 18:47:08 GMT
L L L D L D D L D 4 points from the last 27 is shocking. Need to win at Luton and then beat Wycombe at home or possibly get a minimum 4 points from these games. If we lose at Luton I would rather someone comes in fresh for the FA Cup Fulham at home game , not bothered if we lose it but we need to beat Wycombe and if we didn’t beat Luton wouldn’t have much confidence MW could even beat Wycombe at home.
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Post by hitmanrangers on Dec 31, 2020 20:09:42 GMT
I can't see a change being made now, would have happened before the Norwich game I think. Unless we drop into the bottom 3 and then become 4-5 points a drift, we should stick through this with Warburton and trust he (more like the players) hit some form and pull through. If we end the season where we are now, then that is about right for this squad. The squad is a bottom 6 Championship standard unfortunately and that is the simple truth but hopefully we have enough to stay up with a few loan signings in January
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Post by harr on Dec 31, 2020 21:28:53 GMT
We could be in the bottom three before you know it though. Sheff Weds V Derby tomorrow probably means one will pick up 3 pts , if it’s Derby they go ahead us with a game in hand. We might have to beat Wycombe to stay out the bottom three. Rotherham meanwhile still have two games in hand of us. I certainly don’t buy all this we are a bottom six team accept it, Barnsley and Luton are in a no better situation that us, Barnsley are 3 points off the play offs and Luton mid table. We have underperformed end of. The defence has been consistently poor this season with no improvement at all and sadly the Strikers we bought just havnt hit the back regularly enough and wasted a few to many chances. I see no reason at all while we shouldn’t be sitting alongside Luton as we play them but we sit 9 points behind them and 13 behind Barnsley. Those two clubs are at the bottom of budgets in the Division as are Preston.
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Post by rickyqpr on Jan 1, 2021 11:44:49 GMT
We could be in the bottom three before you know it though. Sheff Weds V Derby tomorrow probably means one will pick up 3 pts , if it’s Derby they go ahead us with a game in hand. We might have to beat Wycombe to stay out the bottom three. Rotherham meanwhile still have two games in hand of us. I certainly don’t buy all this we are a bottom six team accept it, Barnsley and Luton are in a no better situation that us, Barnsley are 3 points off the play offs and Luton mid table. We have underperformed end of. The defence has been consistently poor this season with no improvement at all and sadly the Strikers we bought just havnt hit the back regularly enough and wasted a few to many chances. I see no reason at all while we shouldn’t be sitting alongside Luton as we play them but we sit 9 points behind them and 13 behind Barnsley. Those two clubs are at the bottom of budgets in the Division as are Preston. Harrs, I realise that you ‘don't buy’ the notion of our current status, but I find it inescapable that all the leagues reflect the financial muscle (or lack of it) of the various teams. This has been going on for years and just gets more and more extreme. The trick is to try and better your status and have a good season or seasons – and I agree that is possible. The teams you name are all currently outperforming their financial status and some other teams are under performing. Good runs inevitably lead to over performing and greater expectations, runs like we are on have the opposite impact. Relegation and sometimes promotions are determined by how far you depart from your standing. Before a ball is kicked in the Prem, it is inconceivable that a team outside of the top 6 will win the league. When Leicester did just that, the reaction was one of astonishment, but we are conditioned to know what to expect. Promoted teams to the Prem usually spend their windfall cash just to survive. Some, like Sheffield United get off to a decent start and flourish only to collapse to second season syndrome. Or to put it another way, the financial gaps between the divisions, further defines a club’s status. Teams like Crystal Palace and Burnley used to be on a par with QPR but I would estimate that they are now about 10 years ahead of us. Our situation is compounded by our own history of financial misconduct, who knows where we would be today if that massive gamble had paid off – but it failed miserably. Our inability to increase our capacity and income is another huge hurdle. Our model today is sadly our neighbour, Brentford. Second in the league and in a cup semi-final. The other semi finalists being made up of squad players from Tottenham, Manchester United and Manchester City. Well done to them, but we are probably about 3 to 4 years behind them, and even further behind where a stadium is concerned. As others have said, the stadium is key to our future revenues. I love Loftus Road but…….. None of the above has anything to do with whether or not I think the manager should remain or go. I would rather judge him by his decisions and what he does with the squad. To that end, he moans about the frequency of games but rarely uses all his substitutes, he is stubborn and inflexible and the obvious signings in the squad that he had prior knowledge have struggled (Wallace, Kelly etc.). I also think that he worried about getting it wrong. We are in such a poor run, he gets pelters of he makes changes and pelters when he does not. That alone often leads to a change of manager. I think he remains no more than two poor results away from the sack, but I will give him credit where it is due. The team did play for him at Norwich, he switched to a back 3 (5) and although I do not rate Bonne, he did play the ball for Bright’s penalty and the ball to Albert for our miss of the season. We did not deserve to win that game, but we came very close, and as ever fine margins. Big game tomorrow. So, all about opinions. Happy New Year to you and your family.
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 1, 2021 12:11:57 GMT
I think the draw at Norwich may have saved him. But if we don't start winning in the next game or two; I still think for better or worse, we'll change him.
We've had in the past "False Dawns" of a very good result in the midst of poor results. And we thought "This is our turning point." And it wasnt
So Luton is crucial
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Post by harr on Jan 1, 2021 15:07:06 GMT
We could be in the bottom three before you know it though. Sheff Weds V Derby tomorrow probably means one will pick up 3 pts , if it’s Derby they go ahead us with a game in hand. We might have to beat Wycombe to stay out the bottom three. Rotherham meanwhile still have two games in hand of us. I certainly don’t buy all this we are a bottom six team accept it, Barnsley and Luton are in a no better situation that us, Barnsley are 3 points off the play offs and Luton mid table. We have underperformed end of. The defence has been consistently poor this season with no improvement at all and sadly the Strikers we bought just havnt hit the back regularly enough and wasted a few to many chances. I see no reason at all while we shouldn’t be sitting alongside Luton as we play them but we sit 9 points behind them and 13 behind Barnsley. Those two clubs are at the bottom of budgets in the Division as are Preston. Harrs, I realise that you ‘don't buy’ the notion of our current status, but I find it inescapable that all the leagues reflect the financial muscle (or lack of it) of the various teams. This has been going on for years and just gets more and more extreme. The trick is to try and better your status and have a good season or seasons – and I agree that is possible. The teams you name are all currently outperforming their financial status and some other teams are under performing. Good runs inevitably lead to over performing and greater expectations, runs like we are on have the opposite impact. Relegation and sometimes promotions are determined by how far you depart from your standing. Before a ball is kicked in the Prem, it is inconceivable that a team outside of the top 6 will win the league. When Leicester did just that, the reaction was one of astonishment, but we are conditioned to know what to expect. Promoted teams to the Prem usually spend their windfall cash just to survive. Some, like Sheffield United get off to a decent start and flourish only to collapse to second season syndrome. Or to put it another way, the financial gaps between the divisions, further defines a club’s status. Teams like Crystal Palace and Burnley used to be on a par with QPR but I would estimate that they are now about 10 years ahead of us. Our situation is compounded by our own history of financial misconduct, who knows where we would be today if that massive gamble had paid off – but it failed miserably. Our inability to increase our capacity and income is another huge hurdle. Our model today is sadly our neighbour, Brentford. Second in the league and in a cup semi-final. The other semi finalists being made up of squad players from Tottenham, Manchester United and Manchester City. Well done to them, but we are probably about 3 to 4 years behind them, and even further behind where a stadium is concerned. As others have said, the stadium is key to our future revenues. I love Loftus Road but…….. None of the above has anything to do with whether or not I think the manager should remain or go. I would rather judge him by his decisions and what he does with the squad. To that end, he moans about the frequency of games but rarely uses all his substitutes, he is stubborn and inflexible and the obvious signings in the squad that he had prior knowledge have struggled (Wallace, Kelly etc.). I also think that he worried about getting it wrong. We are in such a poor run, he gets pelters of he makes changes and pelters when he does not. That alone often leads to a change of manager. I think he remains no more than two poor results away from the sack, but I will give him credit where it is due. The team did play for him at Norwich, he switched to a back 3 (5) and although I do not rate Bonne, he did play the ball for Bright’s penalty and the ball to Albert for our miss of the season. We did not deserve to win that game, but we came very close, and as ever fine margins. Big game tomorrow. So, all about opinions. Happy New Year to you and your family. Your not really telling me anything that sways my opinion on where we currently are Ricky. Just because your budgets are in the bottom half of the League does not mean you have to finish in the bottom six. Teams from all the divisions have Managers that excel and finish higher than expected each year from the Premier League to Non League. If you are happy to accept where we are that’s fine by me, with our current performances and four points from about 9-10 games and four wins all season. I think with the money and players we bought we should be doing better than we have, that’s all. Wishing you all the best for the New Year too, take care
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Post by londonranger on Jan 2, 2021 14:13:37 GMT
We will go down imo. Only chance is a new fresh manager. Those in charge that make that decision set to be asleep at the reality of a dire season. G-d help QPR
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Post by bardsley on Jan 2, 2021 15:51:05 GMT
We will go down imo. Only chance is a new fresh manager. Those in charge that make that decision set to be asleep at the reality of a dire season. G-d help QPR Would anyone have historic data when a team has changed its manager, what are the odds for following?
- Improve drastically - Improve slightly - No change - Get worse slightly - Get worse drastically
I tend to have impression that it is less than 10% of cases, where remarkable change can be seen. Total change and drastic improvement would be... well, very rare event.
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IMO for these we should give some praise for MW:
- Our defensive gameplay have improved a lot, comparing last season. Biggest single reasons are Dieng and Dickie, but overall our midfielders are participating much more actively.
- Conceded goals in gameplay situations are actually very low. Instead we have conceded goals mostly form pens and set-pieces.
- In recent weeks, imo we have managed to improve slightly also in set-pieces
- Players are developing as individuals: Dom Ball, Kakay, Hämäläinen, Barbet... From last season: Eze, Wells...
There are clear shortcoming with MW:
- He has no ability to react fast enough in matches. He seems to be blind to see changes in game momentum - well, this can´t be true, but for some reason all changes are done 10 mins too late. - He seems to have too soft spot for his favorite players and they can have all the play time they will - no matter how tired they are. Well, this fits for all of us I guess.
- Out of favor players are benched - no matter how well they play when having a chance. Well, this fits for all of us I guess. - He seems quite boring and actually everything but exited... Still, that´s him and I guess he is honest when not trying to be something he is not.
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I have given a second thought for this and maybe it still is best to give MW few more chances.
Main reason in changing my mind was match against Norwich and especially the attitude of our players. They all seemed to be very alerted and well prepared for that match. They all gave their everything and this showed one of the most important thing about a team - our players are playing for their manager! For sure MW has not lost his locking room, not even close and that is very important thing to keep in mind!
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Post by londonranger on Jan 2, 2021 20:08:42 GMT
Norwich didn't play particularly well and our penalty gave us a result. I still think that this team would be more comfortable in the first division.
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Post by harr on Jan 2, 2021 20:22:06 GMT
Norwich didn't play particularly well and our penalty gave us a result. I still think that this team would be more comfortable in the first division. We have circled the drain many seasons and Warnock will be hired to save us. He's happy where he is and I am happy that in the first division we will be more competitive. If we don't the second division might help that. I still think we can compete in this Division Harry with the players we currently have. We have some good players we just have not got the best out of them yet. Our forwards have wasted a few chances and our defence has caved a few times way to easily. I hoped someone could have got a grip on it by now but they havn’t sadly. Don’t see any reason at all this squad couldn’t finish 10-15th place if coached better, not just by MW. Certainly don’t want to drop down , we need to fight it out. Let’s get the win against Wycombe and see if we can build a platform.
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Post by LifeR on Jan 2, 2021 22:00:01 GMT
Terrific analysis by Bardsley.
I share his second thoughts for all the same reasons, just not as eloquently put as by him.
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 3, 2021 8:39:55 GMT
In the past I've posted some article with States about Clubs changing managers - and how overwhelmingly does not improve things (as I recall its conclusions)
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Post by rickyqpr on Jan 3, 2021 10:33:40 GMT
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Post by kenthoop on Jan 3, 2021 10:45:49 GMT
Noooooooo not Sherwood mentioned again I suppose it's cos he is Ferdinand's mate I definitely would not want this to happen
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Post by harr on Jan 3, 2021 10:50:54 GMT
I think what we wish for is a Manager that gets the best out of what we have and possibly at present MW is not doing that, or if he is not the other coaches are not. Deep down none of really want a New Manager, much better to stick with one for 5-10 years but if the results don’t come, like us currently a game away from bottom three. Your right about Tim Sherwood though, it would be seen by some supporters as a job for mates and if Sherwood didn’t work, some would be gunning for Les to go. Let’s see what happens at Wycombe a win and some confidence might get us on a run. No question the Luton game cancelled helped MW, I think on current form it’s likely we would have lost that game and the board would have made a change before Wycombe.
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Post by hitmanrangers on Jan 3, 2021 12:55:36 GMT
This Sherwood rumours must be from 3 years ago! I can't see us going for him. He has been linked to the post for several years now and the club probably had at least 3 opportunities to appoint him then but didn't so I can't see what would have changed now as Sherwood has been a pundit for most of that time. Let's stick with Warburton, get 2 or 3 loan signings in January, ideally a CB, CM and STR, and give the players the chance to turn it around. We certainly don't want to go down with the new salary cap coming into play next season. Whilst I am sure there will be some leeway for relegated clubs, basic wages are capped at £2.5M/year in League 1. Our wage bill for last accounts (albeit more than a year out of date) was around £20M (not all players), so even if that has been halved, still some way to go to get down to the limits so we would need a complete rebuilding job - might not be a bad thing? That is why the likes of Sunderland and Ipswich are struggling to get out of the league because they cannot offer high wages to attract players at a level about league one.
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Post by rangersman on Jan 3, 2021 14:01:19 GMT
Get shot of MW and give the job to Ramsey for the rest of the season, or grab Paul Cook. MW will sink this ship.
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Post by blatantfowl on Jan 3, 2021 14:29:21 GMT
Citing clubs like Luton and Barnsley does not make sense to me. They had decades of mediocrity and worse before their current modest success.
MW had a bad run last season and we climbed out of it. I want us to break the cycle and have the courage to stick with a long term strategist.
We won’t go down if MW remains in position IMO. If we do have to panic, it’s not time yet.
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Post by rangersman on Jan 3, 2021 15:01:00 GMT
Citing clubs like Luton and Barnsley does not make sense to me. They had decades of mediocrity and worse before their current modest success. MW had a bad run last season and we climbed out of it. I want us to break the cycle and have the courage to stick with a long term strategist. We won’t go down if MW remains in position IMO. If we do have to panic, it’s not time yet. I agree, but MW is NO strategist, he is clueless. Its his way or we sink, he has no plan B, he is stubborn and a liability. I am sick of us changing managers too, but he is not good for this team IMO.
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Post by londonranger on Jan 3, 2021 15:59:14 GMT
Agree with Rangersman. Im afraid that Hoos and Frdinand like him or he's passing brown paper bags. Warnock would be the answer but Im flailing around and it will be what it will be.
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Post by londonranger on Jan 3, 2021 15:59:37 GMT
Agree with Rangersman. Im afraid that Hoos and Frdinand like him or he's passing brown paper bags. Warnock would be the answer but Im flailing around and it will be what it will be.
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Post by harr on Jan 3, 2021 16:06:17 GMT
At the same stage last season as we are now (22 game)we had 31 points and that was after we had already been on a seven game winless run and was mid table or above. Slightly different situation to where we find ourselves now in the thick of it. When you are stuck near the bottom the confidence can get sucked out the team pretty quickly. That’s why Wycombe is a HAS to win.
If you don’t panic quite soon you don’t leave the new Manager much time to turn it around. I remember Warnock going to Rotherham when they were in the bottom three and looked doomed, he went there on 11th Feb but you don’t find many as good as him. They finished 9 points clear.
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Post by londonranger on Jan 3, 2021 17:23:20 GMT
Silly post. If we paid Warnock enough money, would he sign on?
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Post by rangersman on Jan 3, 2021 17:51:57 GMT
I wouldn't mind NW back right now.
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Post by harr on Jan 3, 2021 17:59:13 GMT
Warnock is doing ok at Boro in 7th place why would he want a relegation scrap, 100% wouldn’t come and best not to go back IMO. All we can hope for is we get the win against Wycombe and it gives the team a confidence boost and we start picking up some regular points. However, my concern would be at no point this season has our defence looked solid or we score enough goals. We need another striker in the window, a good one not that Sheff Weds player who was a good buy five years ago, we need better than that ideally. Get Wells back or Hugill
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 4, 2021 8:16:54 GMT
I dont think the Sherwood rumours are from before. These are new and fresh. And they're not just one tabloid.
Warnock - not going to happen. He's with Boro till they get promoted at the end of the season (or fail) - That's an amazing new record he'd want if its there
And we have no money to entice him.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jan 4, 2021 10:20:24 GMT
No to Sherwood.
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