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Post by harr on Jan 4, 2021 16:25:20 GMT
At this rate the EFL might be put the Leagues on hold for 1-2 months the rate of infections is going through the roof. More Lockdowns looming as the virus is now out of control. MW might have to wait a while for the Wycombe game?
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Post by harr on Jan 8, 2021 9:35:15 GMT
Sadly the Luton fixture is arranged at short notice for Tuesday meaning an away trip to Luton before home to bottom club Wycombe. Would have preferred the home game if honest, considering the nine game winless run....
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Post by londonranger on Jan 8, 2021 14:27:44 GMT
Let us pray.
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Post by sharky on Jan 13, 2021 10:40:25 GMT
I don't get the obsession with firing managers when a bad run happens in football and UK football in particular. Also why a large percentage of fans think firing a manager will cure this. To me it's obvious that constant managerial change to stop bad runs leads to continuing failure as the players have to learn the new managers preferred way of playing and this leads to more bad runs and groundhog day sets in. Almost all other sports persevere with managers during bad runs, making changes at season ends where necessary. Interested to find out what UK based fans think
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Post by blatantfowl on Jan 13, 2021 21:58:32 GMT
I don't get the obsession with firing managers when a bad run happens in football and UK football in particular. Also why a large percentage of fans think firing a manager will cure this. To me it's obvious that constant managerial change to stop bad runs leads to continuing failure as the players have to learn the new managers preferred way of playing and this leads to more bad runs and groundhog day sets in. Almost all other sports persevere with managers during bad runs, making changes at season ends where necessary. Interested to find out what UK based fans think Totally agree
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jan 14, 2021 3:30:27 GMT
I don't get the obsession with firing managers when a bad run happens in football and UK football in particular. Also why a large percentage of fans think firing a manager will cure this. To me it's obvious that constant managerial change to stop bad runs leads to continuing failure as the players have to learn the new managers preferred way of playing and this leads to more bad runs and groundhog day sets in. Almost all other sports persevere with managers during bad runs, making changes at season ends where necessary. Interested to find out what UK based fans think I think it is because this guy is a one trick Pony. He doesn't try other plans to see if they might work. I blame the coaches as much as him. Eustace, has been there for how many managers and I am wonder if he should move on.
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Post by rickyqpr on Jan 14, 2021 8:45:44 GMT
I don't get the obsession with firing managers when a bad run happens in football and UK football in particular. Also why a large percentage of fans think firing a manager will cure this. To me it's obvious that constant managerial change to stop bad runs leads to continuing failure as the players have to learn the new managers preferred way of playing and this leads to more bad runs and groundhog day sets in. Almost all other sports persevere with managers during bad runs, making changes at season ends where necessary. Interested to find out what UK based fans think It is a very good question Sharky. I will give it a go though…. I think you have to start by asking the question why does QPR (or any club) mean so much to people? After all, aren't they are just a second rate football team playing in an inadequate stadium? It is not the team, the players, the kit, the location, the owners etc. because they all change at times. But I believe it is about the tribal belonging, or the community, the heritage. QPR have been in my family for generations, I still see friends (or I did) more regularly at QPR than anywhere else. It is a community bond, and it needs to be feelgood, not penance. So, if QPR is hurting, the community is hurting and therefore I am hurting. The next step is to establish who is to blame and make them pay. We cannot change the owners (but we can complain about them and bombard them with Tweets), we cannot even get rid of under performing players, and since the formation of Director of Football roles (the keeper of strategy and consistency- in theory) the obvious and usually only culprit is the manager. Of course, the nature of managers contracts, reflects that they can be easily sacked and paid off – when was there ever a wrongful dismissal claim like in the real world? It is structured so that they take the fall. I recently started a thread asking others to rank the issues facing QPR and their recent decline. It was interesting that very few posted a response and others found it far easier to respond with either ‘sack the manager’ or ‘why Warburton has to be sacked’. To mitigate is to lose impetus to his demise. In fact, it has been amazing on this board how most threads seem to migrate to ‘sack the manager’. But your question about what makes the UK different is interesting. I believe that the difference stems from our UK media. The tabloids for generations have sold newspapers with sensational football stories and have steeped pressure on managers (and teams). But the big difference came about with Sky Sports News, rolling sports (predominantly football) demanding fresh content to keep viewers hooked. During transfer windows their viewing numbers soar as we all want to know who our next saviour will be. SSN create heroes and then destroy them, often with Skybet offering odds on whatever you wish to forecast. What did Lampard achieve at Derby? And yet Frank Lampard’s Derby dominated their coverage (including live games) as they promoted him into the Chelsea job to build him up to knock him down again. He is now ‘under fire Chelsea manager, Frank Lampard’. But I tune in more when QPR are searching for a new manager….. SSN just move on and now we have Wayne Rooney’s Derby improving all the time with little focus on how Derby’s players are currently being paid late and the club could face a points deduction or even administration. In short, SSN create agendas, make supporters believe the next manager will be the club’s salvation and then set about destroying them – usually with a flow of statistics that prove ‘this manager is so good’ followed by ‘these stats are so poor compared to….’ This then flows on to the message boards and it becomes almost obsessive. My team is hurting, he has to pay with his job. Some key board warriors astound me with their venom. We have only won one match and yet the swing on the MBs since Tuesday is just unreal. It is a Charlie love in because we want the feelgood factor. Just one win and the pressure seems to be off Warburton, possibly until the end of season. But it is also the case that on some MBs, there is almost a disappointment that we won, because it means he will survive. We could easily have lost the game at Luton, we have played better and lost this season and yet reactions are so binary. Someone pointed out that during lockdown one, a poll suggested that many thought that Warbs was in our top 5 QPR managers, and yet after the bad run, the anti-Warbs momentum was huge. So perhaps the other answer to your question is that the reason that managers get sacked so frequently is because the demands are so high and with social media, fans can exert pressure on owners and many respond by giving the fans what they want. So, some fans want managers to be sacked because they want better and they have that power.
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Post by rickyqpr on Jan 15, 2021 12:02:42 GMT
Interesting on the Open all Rs Podcast this week that Derry speaks well of Barton. Derry and Hill are close mates it seems, so I guess he has a pretty good inside track. He also talks about the WhatsAp Group that he shares with his ex-QPR chums, and Barton is part of that. Well worth listening to. soundcloud.com/west-twelve-media
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Post by stylecouncillor on Jan 15, 2021 16:02:18 GMT
I don't think anyone wants whoever the QPR manager is, to fail. When they set about the job I think everyone hopes they will become the greatest ever manager to take charge of the club. As Ricky says Warburton was lorded on a few threads in lockdown 1 as a top5 20th century manager and some even had him in their all time list.
That kind of shows it would not take to much to be lorded as an all time great to QPR fans, just a little success. Stock, Jago, Sexton, Venables, Gerry Francis Holloway and Warnock. That's really all you have to compete against. Its a fine list don't get me wrong, but Redknapp had success but then features in as many most hated lists as greatest lists.
Ricky is also right when he points out about the instant success required partly due to Sky Twitter Internet and messageboards ect ect. Fans can now vent their frustrations and have their say, while yester year the chairman only really had to suffer booing on a match day.
What the internet also does is turn fans against each other. Its far to easy for fans to say how so and so on january 6th said so and so is a crap manager or 18th December so and so is the worst forward to ever wear the shirt, ect ect. These really are just opinions usually spouted on the spur of the moment, they are not right they are not wrong they're just opinions.
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Post by rickyqpr on Jan 16, 2021 11:58:09 GMT
I don't think anyone wants whoever the QPR manager is, to fail. When they set about the job I think everyone hopes they will become the greatest ever manager to take charge of the club. As Ricky says Warburton was lorded on a few threads in lockdown 1 as a top5 20th century manager and some even had him in their all time list. That kind of shows it would not take to much to be lorded as an all time great to QPR fans, just a little success. Stock, Jago, Sexton, Venables, Gerry Francis Holloway and Warnock. That's really all you have to compete against. Its a fine list don't get me wrong, but Redknapp had success but then features in as many most hated lists as greatest lists. Ricky is also right when he points out about the instant success required partly due to Sky Twitter Internet and messageboards ect ect. Fans can now vent their frustrations and have their say, while yester year the chairman only really had to suffer booing on a match day. What the internet also does is turn fans against each other. Its far to easy for fans to say how so and so on january 6th said so and so is a crap manager or 18th December so and so is the worst forward to ever wear the shirt, ect ect. These really are just opinions usually spouted on the spur of the moment, they are not right they are not wrong they're just opinions. I also think that due to Covid, we have a lot more time to dwell on football - as we are trapped at home. Plus, due to the streaming, many are watching far more football games. I watch all of our home and away games now as opposed to attending at home and just a few away streams pre-Covid. So the MBs mean that we are all watching together in a huge group - looking out for what others have picked up - and so momentum (good or bad) picks up. Bloody Covid!
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Post by LifeR on Jan 16, 2021 14:25:13 GMT
Agree Ricky: "we are trapped at home. Plus, due to the streaming, many are watching far more football. I watch all of our home and away games now as opposed to attending at home and just a few away streams pre-Covid"
On the bright side to this pandemic, as if there could be one, his is the most games I have seen live since the mid 70s.
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Post by harr on Jan 16, 2021 17:00:27 GMT
Even with the win at Luton, the 10 game winless run has left us still in a mess. Derby loss but wins for Forest and Birmingham now above us and worse than that Rotherham win also with 2 games in hand of QPR.
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Post by rickyqpr on Jan 16, 2021 20:13:23 GMT
Even with the win at Luton, the 10 game winless run has left us still in a mess. Derby loss but wins for Forest and Birmingham now above us and worse than that Rotherham win also with 2 games in hand of QPR. Yeah, had we played and beated Wycombe, the mood would be euphoric, but even without playing, let alone losing, the pressure returns. The next 2 games are not easy - but no game is. Keep the faith!
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Post by harr on Jan 16, 2021 20:55:29 GMT
Even with the win at Luton, the 10 game winless run has left us still in a mess. Derby loss but wins for Forest and Birmingham now above us and worse than that Rotherham win also with 2 games in hand of QPR. Yeah, had we played and beated Wycombe, the mood would be euphoric, but even without playing, let alone losing, the pressure returns. The next 2 games are not easy - but no game is. Keep the faith! Derby at Home I put with the Wycombe one, a must win.
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Post by harr on Jan 19, 2021 19:59:16 GMT
A Derby win, not the result we wanted them to have before we play them
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Post by harr on Jan 19, 2021 21:53:46 GMT
Better news Rotherham 2-1 and 3-2 up got pegged to 3-3 so gained a point and Coventry just above us lost. No Wycombe v Sheff Weds tomorrow due to Covid. Shame about Derby, hoping for a point tomorrow and a Derby win, that would be a perfect week.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jan 20, 2021 21:25:41 GMT
Well, we got 3 points so the 1 trick pony is safe.
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Post by harr on Jan 21, 2021 9:44:56 GMT
The two wins ( which were desperately needed for sure ) have given us a bit of a chance of getting away if we continue as the last couple of games. I’m not sure if MW is the Manager to take us forwards but I would always try to keep on one rather than just replace one so I’m pleased he has the two wins and well done for that. Although long way to go to get us out the mess of no win in nine. Games against Derby,Wycombe , Blackburn at home and Watford , Rotherham away coming up, if we can pick up 7 - 9 points from these, will be happy enough. On a positive note, the two wins we just secured means at the same stage as last year we are only about 5 points behind last season as someone pointed out on social media.
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