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Post by NO1QPRNZ on Jun 25, 2018 20:18:15 GMT
Good Luck Alex👍Cardiff take Alex Smithies £4mil
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Post by rickyqpr on Jun 25, 2018 21:39:21 GMT
As I said on the other thread, Fernandes was obviously preparing the ground with his tweet about trimming the squad and balancing the books.
Think that Smithies has saved us countless points and his penalty saves were out of this world.
We have (had?) 3 keepers so it was always likely that one would leave and the one that would generate the most dosh was Smithies.
I guess we need that dosh to strengthen the team and remain within FFP limits.
Shame that it is Cardiff but at least he will get to play in the Prem.
Thank you Alex, good luck although I find it hard to wish Cardiff well.
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Post by NO1QPRNZ on Jun 25, 2018 21:52:26 GMT
Well I think the fee was a bit light maybe £7-8 mil but when you are down you get Kicked in the Arse.I Alex still had 2 years left on Contract,let’s bope there are add ons as Huddersfield get sell on Pounds
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Post by rangersman on Jun 25, 2018 22:50:48 GMT
Pathetic, terrible decision the sort i come to expect these days from us.
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Post by rangersman on Jun 25, 2018 22:51:07 GMT
Pathetic, terrible decision the sort i come to expect these days from us.
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Post by NO1QPRNZ on Jun 26, 2018 0:20:19 GMT
Agree👍And Charlie went Cheap.😩
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Post by sharky on Jun 26, 2018 5:10:59 GMT
Pathetic, terrible decision the sort i come to expect these days from us. Good decision IMO. We have very good cover in Ingram and Lumley so won't be caught short in the Keeper department IMO. Sure 4 mil seems a bit low but with no other club interested we weren't in the strongest bargaining position. The 4 mil can be used to get a decent player/s in positions we're deficient in. Finally, who can deny someone as good as Smithies a chance to shine on the big stage. Good on him! |
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Jun 26, 2018 7:48:59 GMT
Have to say, very disappointed at the pathetically low £4m fee, especially in these times of hugely inflated valuations.
Hope there are add-ons and a decent sell-on clause.
But like anything, any asset is only worth what someone is prepared to pay for it.
So best of luck to Alex, he's been a model professional - shame it had to be Cardiff though...
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Post by terryb on Jun 26, 2018 8:26:06 GMT
I think it is a very realistic fee.
However, if it was a little on the low side, we would have had to accept the offer. Even if it had been £2 million!
Thank you Alex. You will be welcome back at Loftus Road anytime.
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Post by rickyqpr on Jun 26, 2018 8:36:32 GMT
The details will never be released (undisclosed fee) but it is worth remembering:
1) The £4m fee is not confirmed - but who leaked that number anyway? QPR or Cardiff?
2) Smithies signed a new contract 6 months ago. Had he not, the fee would have been even lower
3) The new contract may well have contained a release valuation if a Prem club were to offer
4) Prem clubs have never come calling for Smithies in the past - not even Huddersfield - as far as we know anyway.
5) Warnock is a canny old sod. He knows the Championship so well and can spot a bargain. He would know how good Smithies can be
6) If there is no release valuation, the figure may well have been released by the club to generate more late interest.
7) He deserves his Prem chance (shame it is Cardiff) - the valuation is for a mature footballer who has never played in the Prem.
8) Although we are all disappointed, we can not be surprised. Let us hope that selling Smithies is all we have to do.
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Post by bowranger on Jun 26, 2018 9:14:14 GMT
The details will never be released (undisclosed fee) but it is worth remembering: 1) The £4m fee is not confirmed - but who leaked that number anyway? QPR or Cardiff? 2) Smithies signed a new contract 6 months ago. Had he not, the fee would have been even lower 3) The new contract may well have contained a release valuation if a Prem club were to offer 4) Prem clubs have never come calling for Smithies in the past - not even Huddersfield - as far as we know anyway. 5) Warnock is a canny old sod. He knows the Championship so well and can spot a bargain. He would know how good Smithies can be 6) If there is no release valuation, the figure may well have been released by the club to generate more late interest. 7) He deserves his Prem chance (shame it is Cardiff) - the valuation is for a mature footballer who has never played in the Prem. 8) Although we are all disappointed, we can not be surprised. Let us hope that selling Smithies is all we have to do. Pretty much this. I would be absolutely shocked if there wasn't a release clause and think it's pretty indicative that it's Warnock and a promoted side who have come in for him. I think Smithies is absolute class but he's not rated as highly as we all see him. You only have to look at the Hudderfield fans who still think we were crazy to spend cash on him (bitter and they're wrong, but still). We haven't been fighting off offers for him and there's so much we don't know. Maybe the offer of Premier League football really made him want to make the move? The figure is literally just from that Sporting Intel bloke, it doesn't mean it was definitely £4m, it was undisclosed. But if we wanna go on estimated/leaked/dunno transfer fees, we bought Smithies from a fellow Championship club for c. £2m and sold him for c.£4m i.e. we bought a player, got fantastic use out of him and then doubled our money. Why are we battering people for that? Also, it's a bit odd because a lot of this comes down to wanting our cake and eating it too. People get frustrated all the time because we apparently don't do our business soon enough in the transfer window. But we all pretty much acknowledge that we cannot invest money in new players unless we sell others. So now we've sold a player early in the window to fund player acquisitions, a position where we have decent cover and people are angry. It's crap but you can't have it both ways. What is Joe Lumley going to be worth in a couple years if he now comes in, considering we picked him up as a kid on the cheap? That's the big picture. Bottom line though, I get it but I'm still very, very disappointed. Smithies is a wonderful keeper and I'd have loved him to stay. But I don't begrudge him playing in the Prem and the very best of luck to him. |
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Post by bowranger on Jun 26, 2018 9:20:49 GMT
Agree👍And Charlie went Cheap.😩 Sorry but that Austin comparison really doesn't stack up and it got absolutely done to death at the time. We had a lot of interest in clubs wanting Austin and he was in the final year of his contract. We could have sold him in the summer for more money but held onto him because we reasonably assumed, with the strength of the squad, that he was actually more valuable as a playable asset because of his goals. He stayed and did not sign a new deal with us. So when it came to January, we were faced with either selling him for what we could get for him, in a weaker bargaining position but with the benefit of half a season of his talent OR keep him and have him go for nothing in the Summer. So we cashed in for what we could. Value shifts, that's football and life. Bringing up that transfer is the same level of revisionism of Warnock wanting to come back when he didn't. |
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Post by nomar on Jun 26, 2018 11:43:38 GMT
Pathetic, terrible decision the sort i come to expect these days from us. Pathetic, terrible post the sort i (sic) come to expect these days from you. |
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Post by rangersman on Jun 26, 2018 13:48:46 GMT
Nomar, for me to care what you think, i would have to value your opinion. I do not of course so you carry on being irrelevant to me . I am pretty sure the letter K is missing off your name too.
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Post by londonranger on Jun 26, 2018 14:09:24 GMT
He will be sorely missed. When Reg Allen was sold to Man U, team didn't take long to return to the 3rd division.
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Post by sharky on Jun 26, 2018 14:25:07 GMT
Ingram to be no 1 keeper IMO
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Post by supercat on Jun 26, 2018 17:21:52 GMT
im bitterly disapointed at the fee i rate him at about 8 million so im very sad that we always seem to ask too little money,but at least we have ingram who in my opinion is a great goalie not as good as smithies but maybe if he was playing regularily he could be even better hes certainly not a crap goalie so i doubt that this will effect our play off chances lets hope now we can strengthen our weakest point which is strikers we just seem to have anything prolific up front
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Post by nomar on Jun 26, 2018 17:40:05 GMT
Nomar, for me to care what you think, i would have to value your opinion. I do not of course so you carry on being irrelevant to me . I am pretty sure the letter K is missing off your name too. Aha, no mark, I get it. Very funny. It’s clear you don’t value my opinion because I value common sense and reality, qualities evidently missing in most of the nonsense you come out with. The only opinion we do share is a love of QPR, though, which we show in very different ways but something in common nonetheless. Anyway, back to being irrelevant I shall go.. |
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Post by rickyqpr on Jun 26, 2018 18:40:50 GMT
SSN understands that the Alex Smithies' deal to join Cardiff would see QPR receive £3m guaranteed with £500,000 if Cardiff retain their Premier League status.
Even less than first reported
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Post by dan on Jun 26, 2018 23:45:11 GMT
SSN understands that the Alex Smithies' deal to join Cardiff would see QPR receive £3m guaranteed with £500,000 if Cardiff retain their Premier League status. Even less than first reported Yikes, that is too low for him. We got fleeced. My son put him in goal in his FIFA 18 game all the time. Hasn't had a bad game yet. Those video games are pretty on it as to who is good/not good. Clearly the video game people understood his value. Why can't we? I'm not saying £8 million, but more than 3!?!? |
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Post by harr on Jun 27, 2018 7:09:50 GMT
We were Mugged off if we got that....
They should just bin FFP right off now, it’s all a bit of a joke .
Supposed to save Clubs from overspending and from going under, right.
Clubs are spending more than they used to get out the Division if you go by the Wolves example.
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Post by kilburnhoop on Jun 27, 2018 7:46:10 GMT
Pathetic, terrible decision the sort i come to expect these days from us. How are Fulhams transfers progressing?. |
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Post by kilburnhoop on Jun 27, 2018 7:48:00 GMT
If Smithies was 6" taller he would be in Russia right now.
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Post by rickyqpr on Jun 27, 2018 8:22:07 GMT
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Post by rickyqpr on Jun 27, 2018 8:23:02 GMT
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Post by bowranger on Jun 27, 2018 9:04:55 GMT
That would be my read on it as well. Goalkeepers are really undervalued compared to strikers in the markets we move in but that's still a very low price for a player of his quality. Even if you build in our own bias and he (unfairly, I feel) not being as highly rated as us lot all see him, that's still low. As you say, implies it would boil down to not standing in his way if a Premier League club comes in. This would tie-in with Huddersfield apparently having a sell-on clause too - you could speculate that Smithies left Huddersfield and came to us on the basis of us mounting a play-off push in a couple of years (when Huddersfield were in the doldrums), that never materialised so his career trajectory was always based on heading to the Premier League in a few years time. Suppose that builds into the wider 'philosophy' of our club acting like a shop window and a place to develop. Players come here, prove themselves and they either press on with us or we don't stand in their way if higher level clubs come in - which ironically has as us much to do with retaining talent as it does to selling it. The bloke has tangibly been worth real points to us the last few years - hard to over-state the value when we've been treading water, really. I get why clubs don't but it does bring up the age old issue that so much of this speculation would be put to bed if both clubs were open about what the actual meat of the deal was. |
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Post by bowranger on Jun 27, 2018 9:11:46 GMT
im bitterly disapointed at the fee i rate him at about 8 million so im very sad that we always seem to ask too little money,but at least we have ingram who in my opinion is a great goalie not as good as smithies but maybe if he was playing regularily he could be even better hes certainly not a crap goalie so i doubt that this will effect our play off chances lets hope now we can strengthen our weakest point which is strikers we just seem to have anything prolific up front Bit torn on it to be honest. I rate Ingram but then feel that Lumley is the one who's going to be worth the most in the longer run. It's a difficult decision to make as arguably, Ingram at his age isn't likely to want to do another season on the bench at QPR and would feel he's the next cab off the rank. Meanwhile Lumley has had two fantastic loan spells and will probably feel he's earned a proper run. |
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jun 27, 2018 19:11:00 GMT
If he was going to go to the premiership, I'd rather he returned to Huddersfield than Cardiff. That aside he was undersold for a pathetic amount and we're going to lose most of that to Huddersfield, a great bit of salemanship by QPR on this one. Remind me not to buy a used car from them.
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Post by nomar on Jun 27, 2018 21:40:19 GMT
I think Smithies is definitely overvalued by us QPR fans, but that’s probably the same for most clubs fans.
Rewind a couple of years ago and lots of people, myself being one of them, felt Ingram had the higher ceiling of the two and was the most likely to end up in the Prem. Smithies proved his worth, though, but one of those two had to go this summer and Smithies was the most likely as he was getting regular game time.
Maybe we could have squeezed a bit more out of the deal, but some of the figures being suggested by fans on here and other QPR message boards are a tad unrealistic, methinks. Unless several teams were coming in for him this was really a buyers market so you have to take what you can get.
The GK position is one where we have plenty of good options, though, so hopefully now the money can be reinvested into the areas we do need strengthening in, like central defence.
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Post by Marc on Jun 27, 2018 21:53:44 GMT
I think Smithies is definitely overvalued by us QPR fans, but that’s probably the same for most clubs fans. Rewind a couple of years ago and lots of people, myself being one of them, felt Ingram had the higher ceiling of the two and was the most likely to end up in the Prem. Smithies proved his worth, though, but one of those two had to go this summer and Smithies was the most likely as he was getting regular game time. Maybe we could have squeezed a bit more out of the deal, but some of the figures being suggested by fans on here and other QPR message boards are a tad unrealistic, methinks. Unless several teams were coming in for him this was really a buyers market so you have to take what you can get. The GK position is one where we have plenty of good options, though, so hopefully now the money can be reinvested into the areas we do need strengthening in, like central defence. Precisely I think some are forgetting that Smithies has never played in the premier league so no premier league team is going to stump up the sorts of fees some fans think they should. We were in the unique position of having 3 very capable goalkeepers. we now have 2 with another coming through the ranks and some cash to spend, hopefully on our defence. |
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