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Post by Lonegunmen on Apr 29, 2017 20:48:20 GMT
He is the sort of lad we need to be building a team around.
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Ian Holloway
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Post by salts on Apr 29, 2017 21:16:12 GMT
Out of contract: Henry, Mackie, Comley, Grego-Cox. Worth Keeping - Grego-Cox?
Expired loans: LuaLua, Morrison. Worth signing - LuaLua? Probably won't.
Need to go: Caulker, Borysiuk, Gladwin, Emmanuel-Thomas, El Khayati. Worth giving another chance - Caulker? Unlikely on his wages.
Surplus to requirements: Doughty? Sylla?
Good business?: Smithies. Why? Generates funds for other signings and Ingram is potentially as good and Lumley has been playing well at Bristol Rovers by all accounts so no replacement needed.
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Post by harr on Apr 29, 2017 21:28:44 GMT
Out of contract: Henry, Mackie, Comley, Grego-Cox. Worth Keeping - Grego-Cox? Expired loans: LuaLua, Morrison. Worth signing - LuaLua? Probably won't. Need to go: Caulker, Borysiuk, Gladwin, Emmanuel-Thomas, El Khayati. Worth giving another chance - Caulker? Unlikely on his wages. Surplus to requirements: Doughty? Sylla? Good business?: Smithies. Why? Generates funds for other signings and Ingram is potentially as good and Lumley has been playing well at Bristol Rovers by all accounts so no replacement needed. (Worth giving another chance - Caulker? ) Heavens, NO. Had more than enough chances, please get rid. Terrible waste of 8 Million. We wasted on him what we made on Sterling.
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Ian Holloway
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Post by salts on Apr 29, 2017 22:43:45 GMT
I did say unlikely on his wages but suppose we can't get rid of him? Is he any worse than Lynch or Ned?
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Post by harr on Apr 29, 2017 23:38:42 GMT
I did say unlikely on his wages but suppose we can't get rid of him? Is he any worse than Lynch or Ned? I would say yes Salts. Ned and Lynch behave like professionals on and off the pitch even if they might not have the best skills compared to some. Caulker lets himself down time after time with his antics and tarnishes the club, huge difference for me. Its a get rid from me.
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Post by sharky on Apr 30, 2017 1:12:06 GMT
Like SWP was, I recon Caulker will be with us until his contract ends in a year's time
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Post by Lonegunmen on Apr 30, 2017 22:22:43 GMT
I would keep it perm sign the Polish winger that is still here. Caulker can go.
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Post by nomar on May 1, 2017 0:06:57 GMT
Smithies should be the first one to go, sumply because the guy is a Prem level keeper and deserves to play there next term.
In an ideal world, Klopp signs Heaton and Burnley pick Smithies as his replacement.
People rave about Pickford, and rightly so too, but I don't think he's any better than Smithies.
Will be interesting to see what DeFoe does now. I smiled when they went down yesterday, remembering how he called us a joke of a club when he signed on for Sunderland!
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Post by Marc on May 1, 2017 8:46:41 GMT
I would keep it perm sign the Polish winger that is still here. Caulker can go. Did that in January.
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on May 1, 2017 10:56:10 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on May 1, 2017 15:06:07 GMT
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Post by Roller on May 1, 2017 17:11:04 GMT
GARY PENRICE RETURNS AS RECRUITMENT CONSULTANT Former R’s striker is back at Loftus Road … GARY Penrice has returned to QPR as the club’s Recruitment Consultant. Penrice spent four years at Loftus Road as a player between 1991 and 1995, and was part of Ian Holloway’s backroom team during his first stint as R’s boss. In 2007, Penrice was named Chief Scout at Plymouth when Holloway joined the Pilgrims, and the pair also teamed up at Leicester City, with Penrice taking on the role of Head of Recruitment. More recently, Penrice spent three years at Stoke City as their European Scout before following Tony Pulis to West Brom, where he was named Chief Scout. Following his return to QPR, Penrice told http://www.qpr.co.uk: “This is an opportunity I am looking forward to at a club that is special to me. “Moving forward, we will be looking to take on the best people we possibly can and hopefully that will ensure that any signings we do make are of the right standard for us. “Recruitment is about bringing players in that fit the way you want to play, and players that match what you are looking for in terms of their character and standards. “Planning and not making signings under pressure is the key to success – along with doing a lot of homework beforehand. “Your planning between windows needs to be intense, and you’ve got to have a lot of balls in the air at the same time. You can’t rely on that one signing – it just doesn’t work. “Recruitment is one of the factors which makes a good football club.” R’s boss Ian Holloway added: “I am delighted to have Gary here, and I am delighted for the club. “It shows me that we want to move in the right direction, because if you are going to do that you need your scouting network to be as ahead of the game as possible. “A lot of clubs are playing catch-up as far as that’s concerned. In my opinion, we are not one of those because we’ve got someone on board who knows European football inside-out. “He will help us get this club’s long-term future as good as it’s ever been, if not better. I know that’s a huge statement but that is my belief. “Gary and I have worked together for a long time and he has never given me a wrong personality or a bad character. In recent years, I don’t think we have always had the right characters at QPR, so Gary’s arrival is a huge, huge step for the club.” www.qpr.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/qpr-gary-penrice-recruitment-consultant-3700374.aspxIt is worth clicking on the link to see a picture of a young Holloway and Penrice, former school classmates.
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Post by terryb on May 1, 2017 17:33:20 GMT
Selling Manning could be a good idea if we picked up a large enough fee to fund a strong experienced replacement who can control games at this level and actually captain the team from midfield. If memory serves me right though his transfer fee would be set by a tribunal because of his age. With this being his first half season I doubt the fee would be too much. Maybe having 2 clubs bidding would negate that problem but I do not know. In one respect it would be going against the policy of developing young players through for the future, but on the other hand would fit a selling club policy of having to develop and sell at a profit to make ends meet. Selling Smithies - Bad! I'm almost sure that a tribunal fee would only apply if he was out of contract. As he signed a new one during this season that won't apply. Personally, I wouldn't consider selling Manning for less than £5 million & I can't see that being offered. However, if he has a decent season (there is no guarentee he will even make the team) his value would be at least £10 million next year. This is based on fees paid for Fer etc. Give me his youth over an experienced player every day. At least he isn't afraid to try to win. Fear of failure is what experience often means!
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Post by bowranger on May 3, 2017 8:51:42 GMT
Selling Manning could be a good idea if we picked up a large enough fee to fund a strong experienced replacement who can control games at this level and actually captain the team from midfield. If memory serves me right though his transfer fee would be set by a tribunal because of his age. With this being his first half season I doubt the fee would be too much. Maybe having 2 clubs bidding would negate that problem but I do not know. In one respect it would be going against the policy of developing young players through for the future, but on the other hand would fit a selling club policy of having to develop and sell at a profit to make ends meet. Selling Smithies - Bad! I'm almost sure that a tribunal fee would only apply if he was out of contract. As he signed a new one during this season that won't apply. Personally, I wouldn't consider selling Manning for less than £5 million & I can't see that being offered. However, if he has a decent season (there is no guarentee he will even make the team) his value would be at least £10 million next year. This is based on fees paid for Fer etc. Give me his youth over an experienced player every day. At least he isn't afraid to try to win. Fear of failure is what experience often means! That's true, yeah - under 24 and out of contract is when a tribunal comes into it. I don't see how selling Manning, unless it was for a really significant amount of cash, would be the most beneficial outcome for either him or the club. If he stays, he's near-guaranteed first-team football rather than sitting on the bench somewhere higher and/or being loaned out. A full, impressive season at Championship level raises his transfer value for the club, enhances his own profile and in turn (probably) expands the choices he's offered as more clubs become aware of him. It has to be about balance and supporting young players goes both ways. On the one hand, you have to prove to young talent that they can grow at QPR, that they'll get a fair shot at the first team and will be included if they make the grade. But with that, we have to show that we can be a stepping stone - that if you've got real talent, we'll showcase it and won't stand in your way if the right deal comes in. As people like Lone have said, I'd like to build a team around him (though admittedly, it's only half a season into his QPR first team career so I'm scared of putting too much on him). He's class. If puts in a full season of the same quality with us next year, we'll be a lot better for it and he'll certainly have turned more heads than Palace and Bournemouth (if that even happened). Smithies seems one of the few who we can 'afford' to sell, which sounds mad to me because I think he's fantastic, wouldn't want to sell him and he's a worthy POTY winner...but yeah. Ingram seems more than capable at this level and Lumley has been cutting his teeth in League One and seems a very decent back-up.
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Post by bowranger on May 3, 2017 9:04:55 GMT
As a side issue the fact that the interview was only a few weeks ago shows how quickly things can change or maybe how the club misread our position - LF saying we were safe and that Ollie could use the remaining games to look at fringe players - sure worked out that way. I am not sure Ollie looked at any fringe players in matches, apart from half games from Goss and Petrasso and Doughty as sub on Saturday. The rest of his changes were just rotation of the same players who have played since he arrived.
On the transfer topic, if his comments still hold good, we will not be seeing an influx of players. That is why we should not be looking to move on the decent players we have or even the main squad members because we have no real strength in depth apart from the goalkeeper position. We should only be letting players go if we have someone coming through or lined up to come in as replacements, or if we get a large transfer fee which will enable us to strengthen with a couple of signings.
While I do not want to see the massive turnover of the last few windows I will be concerned if we only sign 2 or 3 players as we need 2 or 3 in defence alone. The Championship is shaping up to be even tougher next season and we could be in for long struggle if we do not add some more quality. In fact if things stay much the same I expect we will start the season as the bookies favourites for relegation - which might not be a bad thing because they had Brentford and Huddersfield down as relegation fodder this season.
I think that's one of the most frustrating things about the fringe players argument - if you're going to look at them, look at them properly. What on earth does Sean Goss benefit from being thrown in at the base of a midfield in a local derby match, chucking him off after 45 minutes? He's got barely any competitive first team experience anywhere - he would need a consistent run. Same with Doughty or Petrasso - why bother chucking them off for intermittent bursts, out of position and then barely using them again? What do we learn from doing that? Either do it properly or don't bother. I disagree about the league necessarily being harder next season but I'd imagine we'd be looking at more than 2-3. In mitigation, we've got loanees to come back in, though not really in the defence department. Certainly tweaks we can make without breaking the bank.
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on May 3, 2017 11:07:50 GMT
I think we'll continue to do business much along the lines we have recently - ie, promising lower league players from UK and Europe.
We're probably limited by whether or not we can offload Caulker, who must be about the last 'big earner' on the books - although Ned is possibly still on Premiership wages?
And the STILL looming FFP dispute - when on earth will that be resolved?
I think the Championship will be harder next year, for us anyway. Teams which came down last year, and those coming down this, will all benefit from significantly higher parachute payments than we did.
And we'll be on our smallest - and last - parachute year ourselves.
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Post by sharky on May 3, 2017 14:12:18 GMT
From the Offie. One for the future? Only time will tell. JACK WILLIAMS SIGNS NEW QPR DEALPUBLISHED 12:00 2nd May 2017 by @qprfc QPR youngster extends stay until summer 2018 ... LEFT-BACK Jack Williams has signed a new one-year contract at QPR. The R’s youngster – who has been on work experience at National League South side Bishop’s Stortford since March – has made 18 appearances for the Under-23s this season. Williams, 19, has been at the club since the age of nine and his new deal keeps him at Loftus Road until the summer of 2018. Read more at www.qpr.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/qpr-jack-williams-new-contract-3701772.aspx#cUce0e4geUVskLJK.99
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on May 3, 2017 16:12:45 GMT
Croydon Advertiser on why Manning isn't good enough for Palace (fine by me...):
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Post by bowranger on May 3, 2017 16:54:42 GMT
Kin ell, that article is basically about two points stretched over a few hundred words to hit a word count. Wikipedia page journalism.
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Post by nomar on May 4, 2017 15:55:24 GMT
Kin ell, that article is basically about two points stretched over a few hundred words to hit a word count. Wikipedia page journalism. I didn't have any issue with it. Agree with his sentiments too.
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on May 5, 2017 13:41:56 GMT
Couple of youngsters given contracts...
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Post by gladstoneparkranger on May 6, 2017 18:43:41 GMT
Yeni Sylla and Mackie left out for Norwich trip .. Reading between the lines could these 3 be out this window??
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Post by sharky on May 7, 2017 0:18:25 GMT
Personally I'm surprised more haven't been left out. I thought that Ollie would play a heap of the U23s in a "meaningless" game
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Post by bowranger on May 7, 2017 16:04:49 GMT
Kin ell, that article is basically about two points stretched over a few hundred words to hit a word count. Wikipedia page journalism. I didn't have any issue with it. Agree with his sentiments too. I think his points are pretty much correct, I just have an issue with writers who basically have a couple of points to say but manage to stretch it out by just saying the same thing over and over again to make it look more newsworthy than it actually is. Obviously aware of the irony of this considering I frequently go about two paragraphs over what I probably need to to get my point across haha. But yeah, saying Ryan Manning is a risky signing with a lack of experience at a higher level and giving some examples of players in a similar boat didn't need that article length, for me.
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Post by sharky on May 7, 2017 16:51:20 GMT
From westlondonsport www.westlondonsport.com/sport/holloway-eyes-summer-ins-outs-qprHolloway wants summer of ins and outs at QPRBy Nick Reinis 07/05/2017 Ian Holloway reiterated his determination to revamp QPR’s squad after they ended a miserable season with a 4-0 defeat at Norwich. The result, Rangers’ seventh loss in eight matches, meant they finished 18th in the Championship – the club’s lowest placing for 10 years. Now manager Holloway is keen to bring in new faces. “It’s all about the people we bring. I’ve got to get them right,” he said.
“I’m old enough to know that it’s not about today. It’s all about pre-season, it’s about getting the scouting network to find us some new different faces.
“If I can move some things in and out it’ll be a joy to be able to try to get better than we have been.”Rangers were soundly beaten at Carrow Road and Holloway admitted the scoreline could have been even more embarrassing, but he defended the effort of his players. “I don’t think my lads didn’t try, but we were nowhere near,” he said. “We had one or two efforts, but that was one game too much for the squad, with the injuries we had. “It just proved a huge learning curve for the people we have got in there and it was probably too much for them on the day.”
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Post by nomar on May 7, 2017 18:01:07 GMT
Yay, let the preseason bluff, bluster and bullshine begin!
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on May 7, 2017 18:24:13 GMT
Yay, let the preseason bluff, bluster and bullshine begin! Best time for this kind of stuff. After all, before the kick-off of our next league game we'll be joint top(with 23 other teams), full of optimism, blind faith and dreams of glory... Perhaps Ollie need his OWN players in - he certainly demands 100% effort and there are players in our squad that don't offer that and just don't get him. And he needs a LEADER on the pitch, someone to be his presence on the pitch. Thing is, his brand of enthusiasm can come across as cranky and possibly delusional. If the players take his thoughts on board, that will be great - if they don't, he could lose the dressing room sooner rather than later. I'm happy to let Ollie have his chance.
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Post by harr on May 7, 2017 18:44:17 GMT
Every one of them needs there own players in and thats quite a few with around two Managers a year. If Ollie carries on at one point a game much longer though, another one will be in before you can say "Christmas Pud". I dont get that excited with new players any more, we are continually trying to offload poor ones, Gladwin, JET, El Khayati, Caulker, the next batch to try and move on. There seems to be progress but its fairly slow and then we buy players like Borysuik and offload them, its crazy. Anyhow , have a good summer everyone
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Post by terryb on May 7, 2017 19:18:53 GMT
These are the same players that Ollie said were the right type & were all good players.
And that was only eight weeks ago! What has changed since then to the players?
Maybe, just maybe, the main problem is the management?
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Post by harr on May 8, 2017 11:25:02 GMT
These are the same players that Ollie said were the right type & were all good players. And that was only eight weeks ago! What has changed since then to the players? Maybe, just maybe, the main problem is the management? I could not agree more. The messages he is sending out are confusing and contradictory. When we were on our good run 10 games ago Ollie was full of taking credit for getting rid of the bad uns, getting the "right sort", all the players playing for the shirt and for each other, all the players running etc etc.
After yesterday he starts with washing over a hammering with "the players tried their best they gave everything" quotes and then turns around a couple of hours later to "I need to change the players , get in the right sort (again).
Only 3 weeks ago Ollie and LF were saying it would be quiet summer , just looking to add 2 or 3 players (which I think is not enough) and now its down to asking for a major turnover (again)
Sounds to me like either he has lost the dressing room already never mind by Christmas or more simply he does not know what he is doing. He had a good season with us (in the First Division) and had a miracle season with Blackpool when he was lucky enough to have young players like Ince and Phillips playing at the top of their game, which they have never matched since. Apart from that what has he really achieved in management especially at the higher levels of the game?. Yes he took over a decent Palace team for half a season and saw them promoted with a play-off victory then had to quit after 10 games in the PL as he was not up to the job.
We recently lost 6 in a row and then lost 7 of our last 8 games. I just cannot see where he is taking us at the moment other than down a league.
I am concerned a bit by some of these statements coming out about new players. I thought we were going to keep most and try to get more out of them. I guess we will see next few weeks, who we release. Regarding Ollies latest management record, not sure if this is accurate of his latest three roles?
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