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Post by timewaster on Nov 5, 2015 18:20:31 GMT
Would be a huge gamble. No experience at championship level |
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Post by nomar on Nov 5, 2015 19:05:21 GMT
Holloway and Warnock would stand a good choice of getting us back up.
But the harsh reality of it is that they have both consistently proven themselves truly and utterly inept in the Premier League. Employ either of them and get promoted, which evidently is the goal, and we'll be back having this same conversation this time next year.
It really appears to matter less who the new manager is as long as the same people run this club but it probably means more if they get someone in that hasn't got a track record of management failure in the top flight?
GWL is saying Warnock doesn't want it. Personally I think they may as well just let him stay now till the end of the season and then take it from there and do a thorough search in the summer based on where we are and what direction we look like going into. But they'll rush it, appoint someone in haste in the next few days and stuff it up like everything else they do.
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Post by Roller on Nov 5, 2015 19:30:24 GMT
Should we be treating this like a game of chess and thinking three or four managers ahead?
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Post by harr on Nov 5, 2015 19:37:18 GMT
(Look all over Europe now and find a young savvy coach who just might do a Wenger for us) Does this not come with a concern though that they probably have no Championship or English League experience. This is a very tough league to get out of. Quite a lot of European Managers fail in it? Soton found Pochettino and less so much of a surprise Koeman. True Bill, I guess to a lesser degree Karanka at Boro, going well with a win % of over 50 |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 19:51:40 GMT
Wouldn't mind Pearson , don't want Holloway think he's had his day , should've got Warburton when he was available don't reckon he'd come now , Hasselbank maybe , the rest being touted , not really . Sherwood ? Really don't know !
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 21:08:26 GMT
Out of the frying pan .......... |
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Post by sharky on Nov 5, 2015 22:49:52 GMT
I hate to say but dont think it matters its the people who appoint the managers we have a huge problem with ! ....and the you must have instant success or we'll turn on you fans and the unmotivated players too IMO. |
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Post by steptoesson on Nov 5, 2015 23:59:27 GMT
Pearson yes. Holloway yes, but as nomar says, he was crud in the Prem. Jimmy Floyd yes, done well with a very small club like Burton. Clough yes, helped stabilise Derby, if that is what the club want, stability, he ticks that box. Adkins yes, proven at football league level. Warnock until the end of the season, would not mind that. Hoddle, I am on the fence about, think he may have been on the telly sofa to long. Or as bp says look abroad as well, manager like Eusebio Di Franscesco at Italian club Sassulo has done well.
Please no to Sherwood, its already clear fans do not like him, that would turn poison in no time if we start losing. some names on that list are just laughable. Danny Wilson anyone? no thought not. Micky Adams, I would rather Gerry Adams. John I'm the best coach in the world Carver my oh my I would go and live in a cave if he got the job, saying that he is used to working with useless owners. Lomas, Irvine, Ince, Flitcroft, Mcleish, might as well put up the white flag if they get the job. Di Canio, players like Perch would send him into meltdown, though his antics in the dugout would be worth the admission fee.
Or we could go for Zola, forget his connections, think he would do a good job myself and I reckon he would come back to good old London Town in a flash if given the chance.
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Post by nomar on Nov 6, 2015 8:09:09 GMT
Realistically, what makes anyone think changing the manager is going to have any positive long term effect on this football club?
If managers with the cachet of Hughes and Redknapp crash and burn here what hope has Hasselbaink, Pearson or any of the other names being touted got of getting things right?
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Post by sharky on Nov 6, 2015 12:48:24 GMT
Realistically, what makes anyone think changing the manager is going to have any positive long term effect on this football club? If managers with the cachet of Hughes and Redknapp crash and burn here what hope has Hasselbaink, Pearson or any of the other names being touted got of getting things right? Couldn't agree more. I really don't care who the next manager is, we'll turn on him and he'll be gone by the end of the season and the merry go round will continue. Not happy! |
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Post by jbol on Nov 6, 2015 13:10:33 GMT
I would prefer Casiraghi to Zola, and not sure we could tempt Zola away from his present job. Also Paulo Sousa is doing well at Fiorentina, maybe he's feeling nostalgia for West London ... or maybe not.
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 6, 2015 13:14:53 GMT
Zola is someone Tony Fernandes wanted several managers back.
Anyone Fernandes wants....
But I say: There is no Dream candidate. Just a bunch of options and we have to pick one
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Nov 6, 2015 14:49:11 GMT
Should we be treating this like a game of chess and thinking three or four managers ahead? What, as far ahead as next summer then??  |
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Post by terryb on Nov 6, 2015 17:51:25 GMT
I am staggered by some of the postings on this thread!
Bring back Holloway! His managment of Rangers was outdated ten years ago & he really suceeded at his last position didn't he? How Millwall fans would love us to give him the job!
Hasselbank has no Championship experience & would be a risk! Of course he hasn't. Shankly, Busby, Nicholson, Mee, Clough, Wenger etc. had no League one managerial experiencene when they started either. Clough even went to Derby from Hartlepool! Apparently Ainsworth, with a worse record, would be OK though!
Warnock or Holloway would achieve promotion! With this squad? With ideas more outdated than the awful Harold's?
Whoever we appoint will be a risk! Whoever we appoint will be AT risk! When a board changes it's policy every three months (maximum) the team management have no chance. Whether Ramsey was adequate for the role he has been dismissed from is open to debate, but he has left the team with us sitting in the position that he was told to achieve. That is not failure!
It is only my opinion, but the majority of names that have been mentioned on this thread would have me crying at best & definitely considering not renewing my ST!
Of "managers" currently unemployed Pearson (I don't like him) is the only possible candidate, but he won't work with Hoos. That leaves us with having to pay compensation to another club. That is definitely not something the club will like doing & will keep this cost as low as they can. IMO, that leaves Hasselbank or the Hibs manager as the only viable options. I rule out Robinson after he witnessed the treeartment of Ramsey by the crowd.
Whoever it is, will need a miracle to achieve sucess with our current owners!
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Post by gje on Nov 6, 2015 19:30:14 GMT
And a miracle given our current fans terryb. Our opinions change faster than the weather here in the Midwest.
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Post by steptoesson on Nov 6, 2015 19:56:36 GMT
And a miracle given our current fans terryb. Our opinions change faster than the weather here in the Midwest. Fans did not want Ramsey before a ball had been kicked this season. I personally changed my mind after seeing the dross served up. knowing that dross wont get us to the prem in a hundred years let alone three. |
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Post by Roller on Nov 6, 2015 20:02:07 GMT
Realistically, what makes anyone think changing the manager is going to have any positive long term effect on this football club? If managers with the cachet of Hughes and Redknapp crash and burn here what hope has Hasselbaink, Pearson or any of the other names being touted got of getting things right? If you kiss enough frogs .... |
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Post by timewaster on Nov 6, 2015 21:20:10 GMT
Realistically, what makes anyone think changing the manager is going to have any positive long term effect on this football club? If managers with the cachet of Hughes and Redknapp crash and burn here what hope has Hasselbaink, Pearson or any of the other names being touted got of getting things right? If you kiss enough frogs .... Yep Of course there is just as much luck as good judgement in choosing the right manager. Arsene Wenger or Fergie may of been poorer managers for QPR than Gerry Francis or Holloway. You never know. |
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Post by harr on Nov 7, 2015 23:11:12 GMT
Couple of people saying Sherwood in talks.
Was he at the game today?
Think this would be another bad move by the Club if it happens.Nothing would have been learnt.
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Post by timewaster on Nov 8, 2015 0:39:46 GMT
Couple of people saying Sherwood in talks. Was he at the game today? Think this would be another bad move by the Club if it happens.Nothing would have been learnt. Surely not May as well of kept Ramsey as go for Sherwood |
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Post by stylecouncillor on Nov 8, 2015 8:57:38 GMT
Just to throw a name into the ring how about Mad dog Martin Allen seems to do a decent fire fighting job club links a nickname to fit right in?
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Post by sharky on Nov 8, 2015 8:59:48 GMT
From Sky Sports www.skysports.com/football/news/11788/10060404/mark-warburton-flattered-by-qpr-link-but-committed-to-rangers?Mark Warburton flattered by QPR link but committed to RangersLast Updated: 07/11/15 8:33pm Mark Warburton remains committed to Rangers despite admitting he is flattered to be linked with the managerial vacancy at QPR. The former Brentford boss, who joined Rangers over the summer, has been mentioned in connection with the role at Loftus Road, vacated when Chris Ramsey was fired on Wednesday. Warburton was asked about the link with a return to west London after Rangers' 4-0 win over Alloa on Saturday, a victory that maintained their five point lead over Hibernian in the Scottish Championship. Warburton said of the QPR speculation: "I never knew that. It is flattering but that is football, isn't it? "My job is here at Rangers to put my head down with David (Weir, coach) and the staff and take the club forward as quickly as possible. "You can't ask players to be committed to a project and then not show commitment yourself. "We know what we have to do. It is a fantastic club. Our target are very clear. We have had a good start and our focus is 100 per cent taking Rangers forward." Rangers bounced back to winning ways at Ibrox, having lost to their main title rivals last weekend, with striker Martyn Waghorn scoring twice and James Tavernier and Nicky Clark also on target. Warburton added: "It was a pleasing afternoon's work. We showed good attitude from the first whistle worked tirelessly and showed quality. "We just couldn't break down the defence as we hoped on occasions but we will learn from that. "There is no lack of focus from players. We lost one game, we are five points clear, we are in good shape right now." |
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Post by Roller on Nov 8, 2015 9:09:04 GMT
Just to throw a name into the ring how about Mad dog Martin Allen seems to do a decent fire fighting job club links a nickname to fit right in? We were discussing him as a possibility down the pub before the match yesterday. Terry was in favour mainly because he thought that Allen would headbutt Fernandes when he started to interfere. |
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Post by nomar on Nov 8, 2015 10:01:45 GMT
I am staggered by some of the postings on this thread! Bring back Holloway! His managment of Rangers was outdated ten years ago & he really suceeded at his last position didn't he? How Millwall fans would love us to give him the job! Hasselbank has no Championship experience & would be a risk! Of course he hasn't. Shankly, Busby, Nicholson, Mee, Clough, Wenger etc. had no League one managerial experiencene when they started either. Clough even went to Derby from Hartlepool! Apparently Ainsworth, with a worse record, would be OK though! Warnock or Holloway would achieve promotion! With this squad? With ideas more outdated than the awful Harold's? Whoever we appoint will be a risk! Whoever we appoint will be AT risk! When a board changes it's policy every three months (maximum) the team management have no chance. Whether Ramsey was adequate for the role he has been dismissed from is open to debate, but he has left the team with us sitting in the position that he was told to achieve. That is not failure! It is only my opinion, but the majority of names that have been mentioned on this thread would have me crying at best & definitely considering not renewing my ST! Of "managers" currently unemployed Pearson (I don't like him) is the only possible candidate, but he won't work with Hoos. That leaves us with having to pay compensation to another club. That is definitely not something the club will like doing & will keep this cost as low as they can. IMO, that leaves Hasselbank or the Hibs manager as the only viable options. I rule out Robinson after he witnessed the treeartment of Ramsey by the crowd. Whoever it is, will need a miracle to achieve sucess with our current owners! Again, how would Pearson succeed where Hughes and Redknapp, both proven to be better managers than him over time, have failed? The manager is pretty irrelevant here. It could be anyone but until the club establishes who the hell it is and what it actually wants to be then what point is it getting in a new face? I'd just let Warnock get on with it until the end of the season. Not because I want him or think he's great but because making another appointment now is just plain dumb on the increasingly long list of incredibly dumb things this club has done and keeps doing. One minute we want to go and consolidate, buy up lower league talent and coach them up, play kids from the youth set up and aim for mid table in The Championship. Then we want to keep our Prem players and get into the playoff places. Then we want to go up automatically which means casting off the lower league players we bought and going back to the big names who got us relegated in the first place. See, unless you know what kind of club you want to be how the hell can you employ the right manager who can take you there? None of the managers mentioned are good or bad but they had or are having success at clubs run much differently (and in most cases much better) than QPR is. Warnock at least is familiar with the nonsense he will be dealing with. Just forget all about getting in a new dream manager. Fix the issues here first, decide one way or the other what kind of club you want to be then take your time over next summer deciding who best fits what you actually want to be as a football club. |
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Post by Dufster on Nov 8, 2015 11:05:22 GMT
Just my read of the situation here folks...
LF went on record stating expectations changed in the summer and promotion should now be the objective. (Or more likely TF informed him that was how it is)
Letting CR go confirms that's still their intention....which therefore means they have a short term vision because perhaps their primary motivation is to use this opportunity to reduce the debt....... which is their real focus!
But it could be that these are the key factors that will drive their decision making when appointing the next Manager.....which suggests they'll go for someone experienced??
If it is....could this imply TF wants to work his own exit strategy in the slightly longer term...maybe?
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Post by Roller on Nov 8, 2015 11:22:01 GMT
Just my read of the situation here folks...
LF went on record stating expectations changed in the summer and promotion should now be the objective. (Or more likely TF informed him that was how it is)
Letting CR go confirms that's still their intention....which therefore means they have a short term vision because perhaps their primary motivation is to use this opportunity to reduce the debt....... which is their real focus!
But it could be that these are the key factors that will drive their decision making when appointing the next Manager.....which suggests they'll go for someone experienced??
If it is....could this imply TF wants to work his own exit strategy in the slightly longer term...maybe?
Could be completely wrong...food for thought! Looks like sound logic, on your part that is. I find it ironic that we are desperate to get to the league which precipitated our massive debt in order to reduce it. Only in football..... I can't see it happening, but if by some inconceivable set of circumstances it did, we would be in for an even more harrowing season in the Premier League than normal! |
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 8, 2015 11:50:07 GMT
So assuming for a moment, owners want instant promotion and they will make the appointment on that basis: who is the manager who we could get who would give us the best chance of an instant return to the Premier League this season?
5 Years ago, I'd have said that would have been Warnock. I'm not so sure this is still the case.
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Post by Dufster on Nov 8, 2015 11:58:38 GMT
Just my read of the situation here folks...
LF went on record stating expectations changed in the summer and promotion should now be the objective. (Or more likely TF informed him that was how it is)
Letting CR go confirms that's still their intention....which therefore means they have a short term vision because perhaps their primary motivation is to use this opportunity to reduce the debt....... which is their real focus!
But it could be that these are the key factors that will drive their decision making when appointing the next Manager.....which suggests they'll go for someone experienced??
If it is....could this imply TF wants to work his own exit strategy in the slightly longer term...maybe?
Could be completely wrong...food for thought! Looks like sound logic, on your part that is. I find it ironic that we are desperate to get to the league which precipitated our massive debt in order to reduce it. Only in football..... I can't see it happening, but if by some inconceivable set of circumstances it did, we would be in for an even more harrowing season in the Premier League than normal! The assumption I would make Roller is that their behaviour would be quite the opposite if promoted. There will be no appetite to spend just fortify the team with what is at hand but Bank the money...with likely relegation to follow....their logic being totally opportunistic and short term! |
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Post by sharky on Nov 8, 2015 13:49:18 GMT
From the BBC www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/34760359Kenny Jackett: Wolves head coach 'committed' to club amid QPR linkHead coach Kenny Jackett has said he "has no ambition" to leave Wolves after being linked with the managerial vacancy at Championship rivals QPR. Former Rs striker Kevin Gallen, brother of Jackett's Molineux assistant Joe, said the 53-year-old would be ideal to replace the sacked Chris Ramsey. Jackett spent three years as assistant manager to Ian Holloway at Loftus Road between 2001 and 2004. But he told BBC WM 95.6: "I'm happy here, I'm committed to Wolves." Jackett added: "It's a great club and the way things are you do the job at a club like this until someone tells you different." Former Rangers boss Neil Warnock, who had been acting as an advisor at Loftus Road, is currently in temporary charge and oversaw Saturday's goalless draw with Preston. Wolves also finished goalless against third-placed Burnley and are currently 14th in the table after a run of one win in six games. But Jackett, who is in his third season at Molineux, said there were signs of improvement against the Clarets. "We've conceded one goal in three games, and with Mike Williamson coming in (on loan from Newcastle), his physical presence has really helped us," he said. "We want to be winning games, we want to be winning home games, but we've got four points out of nine from the last three games and one goal against. "Ultimately, we're always looking to do better and try to push up the table." |
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Post by sharky on Nov 8, 2015 14:21:16 GMT
....and from getwestlondon www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/chelsea-legend-becoming-qpr-boss-10406905Chelsea legend on becoming QPR boss: Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink says 'people can talk'14:00, 8 NOV 2015 BY PAUL WARBURTON Dutchman comments on Rangers speculation Maybe the bookies know something Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink doesn’t about becoming next permanent QPR boss after their 0-0 draw with Preston yesterday (see gallery). The former Chelsea legend, now in charge at Burton Albion, shot from 25/1 to 5/4 overnight on Friday but played down speculation he was headed back to west London. The Dutchman said: “The speculation doesn't bother me. "I can't control that, I can't handle that. I'm totally focused on Burton – that's the only thing I can do. "I'm focused on my boys, we are together and that's the only thing I can say. People will talk or say things but we have to work in the right way with the same intensity, and try to be ready for the games to come.” Nigel Pearson has moved top of the odds pile at 6/5. Interim head coach Neil Warnock, back for a second spell at Loftus Road, is second at 7/2 and Hasselbaink has drifted, if that’s the word, with BetVictor to 5/1. |
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