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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 0:23:38 GMT
I dont.
he is a flim flam man
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Post by terryb on Sept 24, 2014 6:25:04 GMT
maude.
Welcome home.
I still don't know the answer to your question though!
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Post by Macmoish on Sept 24, 2014 7:04:28 GMT
I'm going to return to this Q
There's Fernandes the Man, the businessman, the Twitterer, the QPR Owner, etc.
Just for starters, on a personal level, he seems a lot nicer person than Flavio
And he comes across better in lengthy Forums and Interviews than the tweets, etc.
MOre important, Is he a good Chairman? What are his goals? etc, etc,
Welcome back Maudes...
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Post by harr on Sept 24, 2014 7:12:59 GMT
I think his heart is in the right place . He means well and there would be so many more unsuitable chairman out there . Think we have to be grateful to have him and the others on board. He seems to be slowly learning, transfer business getting better although by the results this season you could question that? I still think he gets to close to Managers and a bit pally with them . If they have offered HR a new contract after the results he has been getting you could argue he hasn't learnt yet . I think he thought he got rid of NW too soon and now goes about things differently but Wouldnt want him firing Managers every week like Flávio . Time will tell but overall pleased with TF but no so with so many coaches that don't seem to be coaching too well. Welcome back Maude  |
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Sept 24, 2014 7:52:34 GMT
I do, he seems a lovely bloke.
As to the way he's going about running the club however, starting to change my mind in that respect
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Post by kenthoop on Sept 24, 2014 8:25:43 GMT
for me two words sum up Fernandes, Enthusiastic,Naive , cant really say if i like or dislike him, jurys out on that one.
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Post by Macmoish on Sept 24, 2014 8:32:23 GMT
But I can say what makes me cringe!:
The "Uncle Tony" - which he both called himself and what others called him.
And the "We LOVE YOU Tony" brigade
(And of course, I have a personal bias obviously: I'm not wild about his disparaging or snide tweets* when you dare question something, very politely)
(* That's of course when he's not in his "I'm quitting Twitter" mode!)
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Sept 24, 2014 9:43:43 GMT
The best thing to have happened to QPR for a very long time.
Mistakes may have been made along the way, but I believe he has an eye on the 'bigger picture' regarding the club's development and future.
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Post by steveb66 on Sept 24, 2014 10:01:56 GMT
He hasn't tried to change our name, he hasn't tried to change our colours, he is intent on talking to fan groups about a new club crest, he is trying to develop an academy, he is trying to provide us with a new stadium that the fans will have input on the same goes for a state of art training facility and in the transfer market he has given HR the cash to (try) to bring in the players HE has identified..........He has made mistakes but been honest enough to admit he has made them in public and I am not so sure you can blame our start on Fernandes??
Thats my view and I guess I will be tarred with being a member of the 'We love Tony' brigade, so be it.
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Post by blatantfowl on Sept 24, 2014 10:31:50 GMT
My head is turned by the glamour, the planes in QPR colours, what he did about Alan McDonald really touched me, the Alec Stock day, the ambition, the signings, the promotion, the stadium, the training ground. It is all so exciting I cannot help but get carried along with it. If I was ever in his presence I would probably be struck dumb and would sway towards gratitude.
But the debt. Oh the debt. I cannot reconcile myself to this. It is there and it is growing. All the things that cost money are tied to the club while the things that will potentially generate revenue belong to the owners.
Without a plan that gives me the clarity I want on the financial future of the club and how the debt will be cleared I cannot be happy. On that basis I do not support Fernandes. I would genuinely rather have a solvent club in a lower division than the uncertainty that our current rise is going to be followed by an almighty collapse that the club may not survive.
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Post by Bushman on Sept 24, 2014 11:31:38 GMT
He hasn't tried to change our name, he hasn't tried to change our colours, he is intent on talking to fan groups about a new club crest, he is trying to develop an academy, he is trying to provide us with a new stadium that the fans will have input on the same goes for a state of art training facility and in the transfer market he has given HR the cash to (try) to bring in the players HE has identified..........He has made mistakes but been honest enough to admit he has made them in public and I am not so sure you can blame our start on Fernandes?? Thats my view and I guess I will be tarred with being a member of the 'We love Tony' brigade, so be it. I don't think anyone on here will tar you with being a member of the 'We love Tony' brigade. Steve. For me his biggest problem is publicly making proclomations that he can not keep. Now that is a problem mate. |
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Post by steveb66 on Sept 24, 2014 12:57:18 GMT
I did overlook the debt, which is, of course, very concerning.
That said my hand is up and I would take him over an Ashley or a Tan every day of the week.
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Sept 24, 2014 14:57:41 GMT
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Post by jjqpr on Sept 24, 2014 15:08:53 GMT
I don't know whether to welcome you back or quit the message board maude style  Personally i have nothing against TF and think he's the best owner we've had in my lifetime at least! But we all know you hate him, and it's been kind of nice not having it shoved down our throats every post for the last few months  |
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Post by eusebio13 on Sept 24, 2014 19:43:00 GMT
I dont. he is a flim flam man Welcome back...you're talking bollox  |
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Post by superckat on Sept 24, 2014 20:30:37 GMT
welcome back Maude. Tony's a nice guy. His spending is out of control and that concerns me a great deal. It all seems to be about building a high profile rather than building the club.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 20:48:22 GMT
When do you call it a day and realise that for all the promises and good wishes and the visits to the same pubs on uxbridge rd that this chairman is not delivering?
And for all your patience and apprecciation of his good intentions all he has done in 3 years is get us in extraordinary debt and the threat of losing QPR to a marketing brand.
just dont understand this nice guy thing.
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Post by londonranger on Sept 24, 2014 21:03:49 GMT
Welcome back Maude. You have been missed. Alls well and feel safe here.
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Post by londonranger on Sept 24, 2014 22:10:46 GMT
to continue. Its hard to say what is going on with Fernandes. Remember he bought team in the Summer window, then with this new source of money agents came with high priced castoffs
and he took the bait. Is that poor judgement, should he have known better? Then, where was all this money coming from without any accountability? So. then we stumble through
season and stay up by the kindness of a missed penalty, where Hughes wins no away games, and mysteriously is rewarded with a new contract. Is that poor judgement? Or whistling in the wind.
i.e where will he find another manager. then he goes through 13 straight losses supporting Hughes. By that time, we don't have a chance of staying up despite another cascade of
salary to many unwilling millionaires. More unwanteds.
I could go on. I think the job was too much for him and still is. Believing Remy would stay because he said he would and then we are left with no knew striker at the window.
Of course, maybe the job would have been too much for anyone? But its not his fault that Zamora scored that goal, is it.
The history of my team since the inception of my fan hood, is that somehow they will find the way to remain mediocre. With one or two season exceptions, maybe three. So is Fernandes
a prisoner of destiny?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 23:54:41 GMT
I don't know whether to welcome you back or quit the message board maude style Personally i have nothing against TF and think he's the best owner we've had in my lifetime at least! But we all know you hate him, and it's been kind of nice not having it shoved down our throats every post for the last few months quit. Please. it cleanses the soul. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2014 0:00:01 GMT
The best thing to have happened to QPR for a very long time. Mistakes may have been made along the way, but I believe he has an eye on the 'bigger picture' regarding the club's development and future. the 'bigger picture' is the root of the problem. how can a supporter look forward to their club not existing? |
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Post by londonranger on Sept 25, 2014 1:28:24 GMT
I normally don't get into controversial issues between posters. Maude has been off the board for close to a season and is welcomed back He may hate Fernandes, but thats not a certainly.
Hate the actions, not the person and its a members choice whether to let it cram their throats. As far as previous owners, I would not plump for one that has us 200 million in debt
with a chance for Conference life. Still, it obviously is a big issue for Maude and as a Moderator, his issues aren't unique to him. I don't think I have a favorite owner but my least favorite was my cousin the
Rolls Razor man in the 60s. When we went to White City for a while, again.
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Post by londonranger on Sept 25, 2014 1:29:19 GMT
I normally don't get into controversial issues between posters. Maude has been off the board for close to a season and is welcomed back He may hate Fernandes, but thats not a certainly.
Hate the actions, not the person and its a members choice whether to let it cram their throats. As far as previous owners, I would not plump for one that has us 200 million in debt
with a chance for Conference life. Still, it obviously is a big issue for Maude and as a Moderator, his issues aren't unique to him. I don't think I have a favorite owner but my least favorite was my cousin the
Rolls Razor man in the 60s. When we went to White City for a while, again.
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Post by alfaranger on Sept 25, 2014 7:30:04 GMT
welcome back Maude. Tony's a nice guy. His spending is out of control and that concerns me a great deal. It all seems to be about building a high profile rather than building the club. It all seems to be about buying and developing a big chunk of London real estate and acquiring QPR (it would have been West Ham as a preference) is his first step in that process, thats why Philip Beard is a property development man and most definitely a NOT a football man. We're along for the ride in that we are the vehicle with which he will achieve his ambition. I'm sure he will be kind to us along the way, why wouldn't he be. |
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Post by Macmoish on Sept 25, 2014 7:37:05 GMT
Beyond this interesting question, is what - if anything QPR Fans can do. And what exactly do most QPR Fans Want. And what's best for QPR's Future.
We can say - I think Dave McIntyre - that we took an irrevocable step when Paladini took over...and with Briatore and now Fernandes
The question also: To what degree, Fernandes is as much the popular "Front Man" of the QPR "Consortium" and what degree it's vision. As I recall when we axed Hughes, the reports were it was supposedly his partners who prevailed in the decision to axe
I do think even those who think highly of Fernandes - what happens to QPR in the aftermath of the "Fernandes era."
We're all mortal (even Macmoish!) - We saw what happened when Bulstrode's time at QPR ended abruptly.
Suppose Fernandes tomorrow walked under that proverbial bus...what happens to QPR - We're still be owned by his Partner and whoever will get Fernandes shares and Mittal family...
But it may be a very different way of running QPR -
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Post by Bushman on Sept 25, 2014 7:39:15 GMT
welcome back Maude. Tony's a nice guy. His spending is out of control and that concerns me a great deal. It all seems to be about building a high profile rather than building the club. It all seems to be about buying and developing a big chunk of London real estate and acquiring QPR (it would have been West Ham as a preference) is his first step in that process, thats why Philip Beard is a property development man and most definitely a NOT a football man. We're along for the ride in that we are the vehicle with which he will achieve his ambition. I'm sure he will be kind to us along the way, why wouldn't he be. It' s whether his financial backers will let him. |
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Post by kenthoop on Sept 25, 2014 8:15:23 GMT
the thing that.worries me most, with the new stadium, the development of old oak etc and Fernandes openly stating that it was for all other events too, ie concerts ,corporate events.etc, that football will become secondary, thoughts please
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Post by alfaranger on Sept 25, 2014 8:23:47 GMT
the thing that.worries me most, with the new stadium, the development of old oak etc and Fernandes openly stating that it was for all other events too, ie concerts ,corporate events.etc, that football will become secondary, thoughts please I think it may always have been secondary Kent. I'm sure he'll make a fist of it and he'll do his best because the man does seem to like to get involved. We of course will benefit from that. I think his primary concern is acquiring large chunks of the most expensive real estate on the planet and we're the shoe in. Lucky us! I'm not necessarily being sarcastic there either - because it could well be lucky us. |
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Post by jjqpr on Sept 25, 2014 9:09:57 GMT
The best thing to have happened to QPR for a very long time. Mistakes may have been made along the way, but I believe he has an eye on the 'bigger picture' regarding the club's development and future. the 'bigger picture' is the root of the problem. how can a supporter look forward to their club not existing? Maude I recall you yourself saying you would rather the club not exist than continue with TF. You'd rather we were a tin pot non league team than have any sort of success with TF. I know everyones different but supporting anything, you're normally wanting that thing to do well, aren't you? There is no doubt TF wants us to do well and his heart is in the right place. I think he's been let down left, right and centre by those around him, maybe you should stop blaming TF and look at some of the others at the club. |
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Sept 25, 2014 9:51:49 GMT
The best thing to have happened to QPR for a very long time. Mistakes may have been made along the way, but I believe he has an eye on the 'bigger picture' regarding the club's development and future. the 'bigger picture' is the root of the problem. how can a supporter look forward to their club not existing? While season by season losses are bad, I guess I choose to take TF at his word when he says he's in it for the long haul and that much of the losses will be written off by the shareholders. To me that means that no-one is going to enforce the recovery of those debts and cause the club to go bust - there'd be little point really, as the club's assets are in hock to Barclays, so there'd be b*gger all left after they and HMRC get their share. I just have faith in someone I see as a fundamentally decent man. In 10 years time I think we'll find we're in a better place with TF than we would have been without him. |
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