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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2014 19:20:14 GMT
You lot are just a bunch of armchair fans  |
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 6, 2014 19:22:30 GMT
Where have you been Maude?!  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2014 19:30:29 GMT
Why? What did i miss?
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Post by Bushman on Oct 6, 2014 19:35:56 GMT
You lot are just a bunch of armchair fans "Armchair critics" |
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Post by Hogan on Oct 6, 2014 20:52:02 GMT
Armchair critic, is that a nicer way of saying £20 fan? No leave it lets not go there....
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 6, 2014 20:52:57 GMT
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Post by Hogan on Oct 6, 2014 20:55:21 GMT
Amit is off to visit his guru, the visionary genius.
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 6, 2014 20:59:22 GMT
Well they do have various joint business ventures
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Post by harr on Oct 6, 2014 21:15:18 GMT
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Tony likes to give an answer to the Twitter people which is fair enough, the armchair critic thing a tad to far for my liking.
We know he loves the club and will try his best etc but hey wake up Rednapps failing with his 15 % win ratio for QPR in the top division.
I think we all deserve a bit better than that .
Pulis would be number one choice to replace him, may not be pretty but would keep us up if he had time.
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 6, 2014 21:18:10 GMT
Unless you hold to the David McIntyre thesis that this is much bigger than Managers - and it won't matter. And while acknowledging the very different QPR, I still believe - I have to believe - a different manager can make a difference.
Re the Tony "Loves the Club" - Well I'm not sure it's "Love"
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Post by harr on Oct 6, 2014 21:44:32 GMT
Unless you hold to the David McIntyre thesis that this is much bigger than Managers - and it won't matter. And while acknowledging the very different QPR, I still believe - I have to believe - a different manager can make a difference. Re the Tony "Loves the Club" - Well I'm not sure it's "Love" Sure there's things not right above but I don't buy that it won't matter . It matters what division we play in next year Dave knows that . Redkapp doubtful if he will keep us in there , team looks poor ,very poor . A new Manager might take us down but it gives us a lifeline to stay up , we don't get that with REDKNAPP. Redknapp couldn't keep a failing team up now we are going full circle being a failing team again at top level . Try a Manager that is used to fighting in the bottom half , Pulis fits the bill for me, get him while he's available . Sure Francis would be part of his team too. |
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Post by timewaster on Oct 6, 2014 22:31:11 GMT
Where have you been Maude?! he's been sitting on his arse watching TV |
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Post by londonranger on Oct 6, 2014 22:46:40 GMT
I like him. Running QPR tho, is too much for him to sort.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2014 23:01:16 GMT
You lot are just a bunch of armchair fans "Armchair critics" taylor is doing his job at last. |
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Post by marshbowles10 on Oct 7, 2014 6:41:03 GMT
Rich boys playing with their toys.
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 7, 2014 7:35:34 GMT
"It's my party; I'll cry if I want to"
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Post by alfaranger on Oct 7, 2014 8:27:55 GMT
I've never met him but he seems a decent sort of fellow. There have been lots of 'decent sorts' of course. The Daily Mail thought that Herr Hitler was a thoroughly decent chap. Conversely there have been seemingly absolute b*stards that by their actions have proved them to be quite saintly. Of course these are extremes. Perhaps the question is too loose, perhaps it should be, What has Tony Fernandez ever done for us?  |
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 7, 2014 8:48:13 GMT
Well one thing: Achieved record levels of QPR Financial losses
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Post by egranger on Oct 7, 2014 12:08:00 GMT
I do feel sorry for Tony Fernandes - he has brought in quality managers to run the football team in Mark Hughes & Harry Rednapp - the fact this has not worked out is not necessarily his fault - I can well understand why he brought in Mark Hughes - who on the face of it, had tried and tested techniques of running a premiership football team - and Harry - a manager who has got us back into the top flight but is struggling this season (but again has plenty of experience of managing at this level).
Listening to Radio 5 last night only caused me more concerns about the way the club appears to be spiraling out of control and not learning the lessons of two seasons ago
I cannot see how we can afford to buy even more players in January - but at the same time we cannot afford to drop out of the Premiership.
What happens if Tony Fernandes walks away? - would this make supporters happy? - He seems to have the interest of the supporters at heart & no one was complaining when he brought in all these new players - it seemed exciting times were ahead but now we are holding up the premiership with massive debts hanging over our heads.
My gut feeling is we should get behind Tony Fernandes - after all it was less than six months ago we were celebrating at Wembley - our first victory there since 1967. The consequences of him walking away do not bear thinking about.
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Post by harr on Oct 7, 2014 12:39:49 GMT
I don't want TF to walk away, far from it.
My biggest problem with TF is he gets to attached to some of the players (Remy etc)and Managers and then when things go wrong , gets influenced for all the wrong reasons.
Sometimes maybe his heart is ruling his head.
Show love to the Club and the supporters yes, pat the players on the back and say how great they are but don't take it to a level of being best buddies or Uncle Tone to them .
Leave a little bit of distance there .
His hearts in the right place , you can't please everyone as chairman but you can't be best buddy friends with everyone either.
The other thing that's starting to concern me is the amount of coaches ?
For a Club our size , don't we have too many coaches and leaders all giving there penny worth ?
That's before Sir Les joins.
Anyhow carry on Tony and keep the Club up, that will probably be at the expense of upsetting another triffic fella though because at some stage this season you will have to sack REDKNAPP.
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Post by ingham on Oct 7, 2014 18:34:27 GMT
Good question about him leaving, but why WOULD Fernandes walking away be a problem?
Has he already damaged the Club irreparably? To the point where only his departure will prevent it from falling apart? Perhaps, but is that a reason to want him to stay? If we know that it is true, perhaps. But do we?
Why would we imagine that HE is the person to cope with the extraordinary damage he has done already, if he was irresponsible enough to have done it in the first place. And if he hasn't damaged the Club to any significant degree, or has improved it, a new owner would inherit a Club which is viable at worst, or in a better state than it was.
Is it the debt which frightens us? If the debt is owed to him, and he might walk away and leave the Club saddled with it, wouldn't that be better than being saddled with Fernandes. It would be difficult for him to get £178 million out of a Club he has reduced to a shambles. If the Club went into administration, things might be very tough indeed, but if Fernandes is so irresponsible as to run up losses of this kind, then walk away and leave the Club saddled with them, would administration actually be WORSE than haemorrhaging more money. If he is as clueless and irresponsible as all that.
But why would he walk away? If the Club's debt is in the form of loans owed to himself. He suggested most of the debt might be written off, of course, which isn't the same thing as having his loans repaid. But if he is true to his word, and most of the debt is written off, his departure would be a boon.
Generally, our Chairmen have their loans paid off by their purchasers. Wright couldn't find one, so we were saddled with the debt the Club is STILL saddled with, the ever changing 'ABC' loan. But that is modest, compared to the losses since Mittal arrived, which amount to around £155 million if the debt they inherited was £33 million or so.
Maybe Fernandes won't be able to find a buyer. But if the Club is such a basket case as to be unsaleable, would it be better off in the hands of Fernandes, or an administrator.
The other point, apart from the perpetual muddle surrounding Fernandes, and the contradictory things he and his colleagues say, is that he claims the debt is 'stadium related'.
As he isn't a developer - so he says - and Mittal and Beard seem to be, this should mean that the new stadium doesn't belong to him, so it is difficult to see how the debt would on the 'stadium related' basis. Which may mean that Fernandes' was just the front man, and the debt belongs to someone else.
If that is so, the debt won't be much affected by whether Fernandes is here or not, although the stadium owner might prefer a more responsible Chairman at QPR, if they intend QPR to occupy the new ground.
Of course, administration might see the Club go out of existence. But that would be down to Fernandes, who would then be the worst disaster ever to strike QPR.
If that turned out to be true, there wouldn't be very much reason to want him here at all.
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