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Post by Macmoish on Sept 16, 2012 7:17:39 GMT
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Queens Park Rangers defender Anton Ferdinand plans civil action against Chelsea's John Terry in racism caseAnton Ferdinand is considering taking a civil action against John Terry should the Chelsea defender escape serious punishment from the forthcoming Football Association inquiry into his alleged racist behaviour. Ferdinand refused to shake hands with either Terry or Ashley Cole at Loftus Road on Saturday, and the Queens Park Rangers captain, Ji Sung Park, also refused to shake Terry�s hand. It was the first time Ferdinand and Terry had come face-to-face since the former England captain was acquitted in a magistrates court last July of a charge of racially abusing the QPR defender in the corresponding fixture last season. Cole appeared as a witness for Terry at that trial. Terry now faces the FA hearing on Sept 24, before a three-man Independent Regulatory Commission, with the hearing set to run for two to three days, after the player was charged with using �abusive and/ or insulting words and/ or behaviour� towards Ferdinand including �a reference to ethnic origin and/ or race�. He denies the charge. The scale of punishment he receives � if found guilty � could determine whether Terry has a future as an England international. It will also influence whether Ferdinand carries out the threat of a private prosecution. Ferdinand�s legal team are watching the FA proceedings and have written to the organisation to set out their willingness to co-operate and to seek clarification on how the case will proceed. There had been some debate as to whether the phone records of Terry, and possibly those of Cole, plus the records of Chelsea officials � including text messages � could be requested by the FA to see whether they might shed light as to what happened on the day of the incident. The Metropolitan Police chose not to pursue that avenue of inquiry and now the FA has also decided not to request such information. It is understood that this has dismayed Ferdinand and his legal team, who might attempt to ascertain the information themselves should they pursue a civil action. At the same time Terry has also grown frustrated with the drawn-out procedure, given that the incident occurred last October and he was acquitted in July. Terry was stripped of the England captaincy before the trial in a move that led to the departure of Fabio Capello as England manager. Capello�s successor, Roy Hodgson, has made it clear he wants to continue to pick Terry and caused a stir by stating that he hoped the defender would be �freed� and cleared by the commission. If Terry is found guilty, the commission could deliver a range of punishments � most likely a three or four match ban and a fine � but the wording of the findings could be most damaging. Ferdinand�s camp has also sought to clarify the roles played in the incident by some Chelsea officials and it is understood that the player, and his older brother Rio, are determined to pursue the matter if possible. The pair have promised never to shake hands with Terry or Cole, despite Cole having been a close friend of Rio�s. If Anton Ferdinand is not satisfied with the inquiry he will reconvene his legal team to pursue the possibility of High Court action, which could result in the whole case being reprised.After yesterday�s failed handshake, Chelsea boss Roberto Di Matteo said: �We offered and we have done our part and if other people feel differently that�s not our problem.� www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/9545687/Queens-Park-Rangers-defender-Anton-Ferdinand-plans-civil-action-against-Chelseas-John-Terry-in-racism-case.html
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2012 17:40:05 GMT
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Queens Park Rangers defender Anton Ferdinand plans civil action against Chelsea's John Terry in racism caseAnton Ferdinand is considering taking a civil action against John Terry should the Chelsea defender escape serious punishment from the forthcoming Football Association inquiry into his alleged racist behaviour. Ferdinand refused to shake hands with either Terry or Ashley Cole at Loftus Road on Saturday, and the Queens Park Rangers captain, Ji Sung Park, also refused to shake Terry’s hand. It was the first time Ferdinand and Terry had come face-to-face since the former England captain was acquitted in a magistrates court last July of a charge of racially abusing the QPR defender in the corresponding fixture last season. Cole appeared as a witness for Terry at that trial. Terry now faces the FA hearing on Sept 24, before a three-man Independent Regulatory Commission, with the hearing set to run for two to three days, after the player was charged with using “abusive and/ or insulting words and/ or behaviour” towards Ferdinand including “a reference to ethnic origin and/ or race”. He denies the charge. The scale of punishment he receives — if found guilty — could determine whether Terry has a future as an England international. It will also influence whether Ferdinand carries out the threat of a private prosecution. Ferdinand’s legal team are watching the FA proceedings and have written to the organisation to set out their willingness to co-operate and to seek clarification on how the case will proceed. There had been some debate as to whether the phone records of Terry, and possibly those of Cole, plus the records of Chelsea officials — including text messages — could be requested by the FA to see whether they might shed light as to what happened on the day of the incident. The Metropolitan Police chose not to pursue that avenue of inquiry and now the FA has also decided not to request such information. It is understood that this has dismayed Ferdinand and his legal team, who might attempt to ascertain the information themselves should they pursue a civil action. At the same time Terry has also grown frustrated with the drawn-out procedure, given that the incident occurred last October and he was acquitted in July. Terry was stripped of the England captaincy before the trial in a move that led to the departure of Fabio Capello as England manager. Capello’s successor, Roy Hodgson, has made it clear he wants to continue to pick Terry and caused a stir by stating that he hoped the defender would be “freed” and cleared by the commission. If Terry is found guilty, the commission could deliver a range of punishments — most likely a three or four match ban and a fine — but the wording of the findings could be most damaging. Ferdinand’s camp has also sought to clarify the roles played in the incident by some Chelsea officials and it is understood that the player, and his older brother Rio, are determined to pursue the matter if possible. The pair have promised never to shake hands with Terry or Cole, despite Cole having been a close friend of Rio’s. If Anton Ferdinand is not satisfied with the inquiry he will reconvene his legal team to pursue the possibility of High Court action, which could result in the whole case being reprised.After yesterday’s failed handshake, Chelsea boss Roberto Di Matteo said: “We offered and we have done our part and if other people feel differently that’s not our problem.” www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/9545687/Queens-Park-Rangers-defender-Anton-Ferdinand-plans-civil-action-against-Chelseas-John-Terry-in-racism-case.html He will walk with a big pat on the back from the FA & then Woy Classless England manager will take it up the "Backside" from scumbag terry or "Give him a blow" so he will play for the England squad again!!! Feel sick just typing Woy & scumbag Terry at the same time!!! If Anton decides to take it further then I guess thats up to him! Can't blame him I guess as the legal side has let him down & I'm pretty sure the FA will bottle it!!!.............But regardless this needs to be resolved at some point!! & the sooner the better!!!
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Post by mfnc on Sept 16, 2012 17:46:04 GMT
edit your post please elmer.
lets not lower the standard of the board, although i completely agree.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2012 18:13:16 GMT
edit your post please elmer. lets not lower the standard of the board, although i completely agree. Edited a bit!!! Hope thats OK!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2012 18:16:21 GMT
edit your post please elmer. lets not lower the standard of the board, although i completely agree. Edited a bit!!! Hope thats OK!!!! no put it back
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2012 18:19:26 GMT
Edited a bit!!! Hope thats OK!!!! no put it back HeHe...........Well read between the lines!!! "Take it up the Arsenal" & "Suck his Richard" Hey I can be subtle!!!
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Post by mfnc on Sept 16, 2012 18:41:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2012 18:46:44 GMT
Its a "Cracker" & his Terrys dad is a ;D "CRACK-HEAD!!"His Father is a Dealer His Mother is a Stealer His Rent-boy is a Squealer THE TERRY FAMILY!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2012 10:59:58 GMT
I actually reckon the FA hearing will be just as much as a farce as the G20 copper's hearing's have been!!! As far as I'm concerned the FA look like they are protecting there "Own" which is scumbag Terry!!! Comments from Taylor about the handshake & Woy England Manager who seems to want to do anything to get Terry back as a regular in the squad proves this!!!
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Post by eusebio13 on Sept 18, 2012 15:15:25 GMT
The FA are not renown for finding people not guilty once they're charged, I read the guardian article originally posted by Mac that less than 0.5% of the case that come in front of them are acquitted....I think he'll get 8 matches GUARDIAN Chelsea's John Terry faces tough task defending against the FA Statistics stacked against former England captain as he prepares for disciplinary hearing over racial abuse charges Danny Taylor If there is one thing we know about John Terry by now it is that he is not ordinarily someone who lets insecurity pollute his mind. A man of "almost uncanny mental strength", to quote Chelsea's chairman, Bruce Buck, during those five days in July when Terry stood in the dock at Westminster magistrates' court and asked us to believe he was not guilty of a racist slur. "Other people have it," Buck told the trial, "but I've never seen it quite like John Terry has it." Terry is back at Loftus Road next Saturday, the first time he has played at QPR since the full excruciating details were laid bare about what happened when the sides met there last October. Yet you would back him to cope in front of a hostile crowd. The abuse will wash over him, just as it did when they met in the FA Cup at the end of January. Anton Ferdinand, and possibly others, may sooner chew on broken glass than touch flesh in the pre-match handshake, but Terry is conditioned not to be bothered by things like that. In court, there was no real emotion when the words "not guilty" were read out. Two of his supporters – thick-set, in their 50s – celebrated as though a goal had been scored, punching the air and shouting "get in". The woman with two kids in Chelsea shirts cracked open a bottle of pink Cava. But Terry was impassive. No visible signs of relief or joy, and certainly no tears. It is what happens after the game, specifically his disciplinary hearing with the Football Association, that might be weighing more heavily on his mind, especially if Terry has looked closely at the numbers and worked out the conviction rate in these cases is much higher than in the judicial system; staggeringly so. The FA, to put it into context, found a total of two not-guilty verdicts out of the 473 cases it heard in 2011. That is getting on for a one-in-250 ratio. Or 0.4%, to be precise. Which is markedly different to the Home Office figures for court cases, with one magistrates' hearing out of every six leading to non-conviction (16.7%), and marginally higher (18.2%) at crown court. The FA, in short, generally only takes on the cases it believes it will win, with a clear distinction between the degree of evidence it needs – operating on the balance of probabilities – compared to that required by a court to secure a criminal conviction. Terry has some of the sharpest legal minds in London working on his behalf and has always said he welcomes the chance to prove his innocence. To get off, however, he will have to be the exception rather than the norm. The alternative is yet more damage, this time potentially irreparable, to Terry's already tarnished reputation, plus intense scrutiny about his position in the England team and the sense, shared here, that the FA will have to look very closely at whether he can be selected again. Roy Hodgson says of course he can. The England manager has made it clear he wants to continue picking Terry unless there is "an enormous ban", but it is surely not that straightforward when a player has been charged with calling an opponent "a F***ing black c**t". Wishful thinking, perhaps, but England's footballers are meant to be ambassadors for their country. A guilty verdict within the game's own organisation should, at the very least, compel the people above Hodgson to discuss whether the decision is taken out of his hands. And rightly so. Chelsea, too, are entitled to be twitchy given that article 6.5 of the club's official charter promises "a zero-tolerance policy towards discrimination", meaning anyone found guilty of such an offence should expect the sack. Would they dare fire Terry? Put it this way, there's more chance of Roman Abramovich turning up at the local soup kitchen, but Chelsea must eventually hold their own inquiry. Anything else and they run the risk of undermining all their previous work at tackling race issues. The obvious get-out clause, should they need one, is that the chief magistrate, Howard Riddle, concluded in July that the case of racial abuse could not be proved beyond reasonable doubt. Riddle's 13-page judgment casts doubt on Terry's explanation, saying it "is, certainly under the cold light of forensic examination, unlikely", but the television footage was obscured and there were no independent witnesses who could disprove Terry's story, namely that he thought he heard Ferdinand accuse him of saying the offensive words as they argued about a disputed penalty appeal. Terry's defence was that, in his outrage, he repeated them back indignantly, but not as an insult. In other words that, yes, he did say it, but in a part-horrified, part-angry "as if?" tone. It was, in Riddle's words, "not the most obvious response". Kick It Out, the sport's leading anti-racism group, feels the same way, aligning itself with the Ferdinand family. The FA, using an independent commission chaired by a QC, is certainly entitled to put it to Terry that many people would consider it an unnatural choice of words in any circumstances. But there are quite a few things that don't stack up. Why, for instance, did the London Evening Standard run a story, in the hours after the game, with "a source close to Terry" in full damage-limitation mode, saying the word had been "blind" rather than "black" and that it was all a misunderstanding? Poppycock, as it turned out, but there is a serious issue here, surely, if the source of this story was working legitimately on Terry's behalf. Why, too, was the referee, Chris Foy, not summoned to give evidence in court? Terry told the court Foy had heard Ferdinand's alleged words. Yet Foy has told the Premier League he heard nothing. Foy was the nearest person to Ferdinand and his account should be key. The FA should also do everything it can to obtain mobile-phone records given that, in court, the prosecution put it to Ashley Cole, the key defence witness, that a cover-up had been orchestrated after the players started getting messages about internet footage of the relevant clip. Cole's response was that it was his recollection that there was never a signal in the dressing rooms at Loftus Road. Yet QPR say there is signal. The FA needs to know which version is correct. Then we come to the statements from Terry's colleagues and associates. Seventeen players, plus José Mourinho and even the guy who supplies Chelsea players with drivers. All confirmed they had never heard Terry make a racist remark. But why no Didier Drogba or Florent Malouda, or Mikel John Obi or Nicolas Anelka – senior, black players, all involved in the QPR game? Their absence may have a simple explanation, but it is strange, to say the least. Above all, the FA cannot be rushed, despite impatient calls demanding to know why the hearing has not already taken place. It was always going to be delayed until after Chelsea's game at QPR to avoid inflaming tensions ahead of an already volatile match. Before then, Terry should win his 79th England cap in Tuesday's game against Ukraine, providing the ankle he twisted in Moldova on Friday is not too bad. What nobody can guarantee is that there will be an 80th. www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/sep/08/john-terry-chelseaRead more: qprreport.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=33035&page=1#ixzz26po2rTAE
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Post by sharky on Sept 18, 2012 15:56:44 GMT
Interesting eusebio. My feeling is that they will find him guilty, but will go with the trial outcome that he may well have been saying it as a question (which we all know is sh*t). On this basis he will be fined with no match bans or a one or two game ban.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2012 17:41:35 GMT
Interesting eusebio. My feeling is that they will find him guilty, but will go with the trial outcome that he may well have been saying it as a question (which we all know is sh*t). On this basis he will be fined with no match bans or a one or two game ban. So he'll get away with it again & with big thanks to "Cover Up" Cole as well............I think you could well be right!! The FA will try & show that racists comments are not acceptable but will bottle it by taking Terry Cover up story as the truth!!!............Just so predictable!!!
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Post by Macmoish on Sept 18, 2012 19:00:02 GMT
It's not the amount of the penalty: Its the fining: If they fine him guilty and fine one penny: That means he's guilty. And of course shouldn't be chosen for England. And should be stripped of his Captaincy by Chelsea
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Post by cpr on Sept 19, 2012 7:01:34 GMT
Terry ready to test FA's rules in Ferdinand race case By Charles SalePUBLISHED: 23:00, 18 September 2012 | UPDATED: 07:42, 19 September 2012 ..John Terry's legal team are planning to fight the FA racism charge next week on the grounds that the governing body's own rulebook strikes out their case. Terry was cleared at Westminster Magistrates' Court in July of racially aggravated public behaviour last October towards QPR defender Anton Ferdinand. The 27-year-old Ferdinand then refused to shake Terry's hand on Saturday before the corresponding QPR v Chelsea match. And the Terry camp will be quick to quote FA rule 6.8 which states that the results of relevant civil or criminal proceedings are 'presumed to be correct and the facts presumed to be true' by FA regulatory commissions. But there is a proviso in the last sentence of the FA ruling which states '...unless it is shown by clear and convincing evidence that this is not the case'. And presumably the FA, who surely must have close knowledge of their statutes, would not have charged Terry if they didn't believe they had sufficient evidence Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2205244/John-Terry-ready-test-FAs-rules-Ferdinand-race-case--Charles-Sale.html#ixzz26tfGoQNpThis from another scum loving mail reporter!!!!
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Post by Lonegunmen on Sept 19, 2012 12:41:01 GMT
Rumour has it that the FA have invested in a Wet Bus ticket with which to punish John Terry with.
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Post by bowranger on Sept 19, 2012 12:54:59 GMT
Terry ready to test FA's rules in Ferdinand race case By Charles SalePUBLISHED: 23:00, 18 September 2012 | UPDATED: 07:42, 19 September 2012 ..John Terry's legal team are planning to fight the FA racism charge next week on the grounds that the governing body's own rulebook strikes out their case. Terry was cleared at Westminster Magistrates' Court in July of racially aggravated public behaviour last October towards QPR defender Anton Ferdinand. The 27-year-old Ferdinand then refused to shake Terry's hand on Saturday before the corresponding QPR v Chelsea match. And the Terry camp will be quick to quote FA rule 6.8 which states that the results of relevant civil or criminal proceedings are 'presumed to be correct and the facts presumed to be true' by FA regulatory commissions. But there is a proviso in the last sentence of the FA ruling which states '...unless it is shown by clear and convincing evidence that this is not the case'. And presumably the FA, who surely must have close knowledge of their statutes, would not have charged Terry if they didn't believe they had sufficient evidence Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2205244/John-Terry-ready-test-FAs-rules-Ferdinand-race-case--Charles-Sale.html#ixzz26tfGoQNpThis from another scum loving mail reporter!!!! I think that is (hopefully) a bullshit argument for them to fight on because surely that takes into account the court's judgement rather than simply the outcome. The court's judgement was really straight forward about it - that on balance they didn't necessarily believe his story about the phrase being said sarcastically, but that the evidence fell below the level required for a legal conviction - i.e. they did not say he did not do it, in fact the judgement implies the opposite, but that the evidence was insufficient for a court conviction (proving beyond reasonable doubt). The FA does not have the same burden of proof - the FA's rules indicate that they decide on the "balance of probabilities". The court's judgement in itself shows that on that lower burden of proof, there is still very much a case to be answered. If he was cleared and the court said "there is no evidence to suggest Terry made a racially abuse remark" then of course the FA would probably not have a leg to stand on. But they didn't. "Not guilty" in legal terms is not the same as "innocent" and the FA isn't a state judiciary. To put it another context, it's very very unlikely Suarez would have been convicted in a court of law but it doesn't mean he didn't do it, and the FA said as much.
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Post by sharky on Sept 19, 2012 16:11:33 GMT
Terry ready to test FA's rules in Ferdinand race case By Charles SalePUBLISHED: 23:00, 18 September 2012 | UPDATED: 07:42, 19 September 2012 ..John Terry's legal team are planning to fight the FA racism charge next week on the grounds that the governing body's own rulebook strikes out their case. Terry was cleared at Westminster Magistrates' Court in July of racially aggravated public behaviour last October towards QPR defender Anton Ferdinand. The 27-year-old Ferdinand then refused to shake Terry's hand on Saturday before the corresponding QPR v Chelsea match. And the Terry camp will be quick to quote FA rule 6.8 which states that the results of relevant civil or criminal proceedings are 'presumed to be correct and the facts presumed to be true' by FA regulatory commissions. But there is a proviso in the last sentence of the FA ruling which states '...unless it is shown by clear and convincing evidence that this is not the case'. And presumably the FA, who surely must have close knowledge of their statutes, would not have charged Terry if they didn't believe they had sufficient evidence Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2205244/John-Terry-ready-test-FAs-rules-Ferdinand-race-case--Charles-Sale.html#ixzz26tfGoQNpThis from another scum loving mail reporter!!!! If Terry gets off on this basis, can see Anton taking civil proceedings out. This saga may still be going this time next year!!!
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Post by eusebio13 on Sept 19, 2012 17:35:39 GMT
Terry ready to test FA's rules in Ferdinand race case By Charles SalePUBLISHED: 23:00, 18 September 2012 | UPDATED: 07:42, 19 September 2012 ..John Terry's legal team are planning to fight the FA racism charge next week on the grounds that the governing body's own rulebook strikes out their case. Terry was cleared at Westminster Magistrates' Court in July of racially aggravated public behaviour last October towards QPR defender Anton Ferdinand. The 27-year-old Ferdinand then refused to shake Terry's hand on Saturday before the corresponding QPR v Chelsea match. And the Terry camp will be quick to quote FA rule 6.8 which states that the results of relevant civil or criminal proceedings are 'presumed to be correct and the facts presumed to be true' by FA regulatory commissions. But there is a proviso in the last sentence of the FA ruling which states '...unless it is shown by clear and convincing evidence that this is not the case'. And presumably the FA, who surely must have close knowledge of their statutes, would not have charged Terry if they didn't believe they had sufficient evidence Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2205244/John-Terry-ready-test-FAs-rules-Ferdinand-race-case--Charles-Sale.html#ixzz26tfGoQNpThis from another scum loving mail reporter!!!! If Terry gets off on this basis, can see Anton taking civil proceedings out. This saga may still be going this time next year!!! Interestingly in civil proceeding under the equalities act the burden of proof falls on the accused and also Chelsea as his employer would have vicarious liability also...could be fun 7. Enforcement 7.1 Employment Tribunal power to make recommendations (section 124) Previously, Employment Tribunals could make a recommendation that an employer must eliminate or reduce the effect of discrimination on a claimant. Tribunals will be now be able to recommend the steps that a business should take to reduce the adverse affect of discrimination in the workplace e.g by introducing an equal opportunities policy. Recommendations will not be binding, but the failure by a business to comply with a recommendation could be used as evidence to support subsequent similar discrimination claims. This power does not apply to equal pay claims. Top of page 7.2 Burden of Proof (section 136) The Equality Act hamonises the burden of proof provisions across all the protected characteristics. Under previous legislation, in most cases the burden of proof shifts to the respondent once the claimant has established a prima facie case except in the case of: race discrimination claims brought on grounds of nationality, claims of victimisation relating to race discrimination, and some other non-work discrimination claims. The Equality Act reverses the burden of proof in all cases except those which relate to a criminal offence. Sections 136 (2) and (3) provides that if there are facts from which the court could decide, in the absence of any other explanation, that a person (A) contravened the provision concerned, the court must hold that the contravention ocurred unless A can show otherwise.www.lawsociety.org.uk/advice/practice-notes/equality-act-2010/#ea7_2
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Post by bowranger on Sept 19, 2012 17:47:09 GMT
Amazing, cheers eusebio13
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Post by Macmoish on Sept 20, 2012 11:54:11 GMT
Wilkins to the rescue! (Hopefully he'll do for John Terry what he did to QPR!) www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2205775/John-Terry-facing-1m-defence-ahead-FA-charge.htmlDAILY MAIL Terry facing £1m defence bill as Chelsea captain calls on top QC to fight FA charge By Neil Ashton PUBLISHED: 16:45 EST, 19 September 2012 | UPDATED: 16:45 EST, 19 September 2012 Share John Terry will call on the expertise of £10,000-a-day QC George Carter-Stephenson to fight his FA charge next week. Carter-Stephenson successfully defended the former England captain at Westminster Magistrates' Court in July after he was accused of a racially aggravated offence towards Anton Ferdinand. Next week the Chelsea defender fights a separate FA charge of using racially abusive language towards Ferdinand during last October's stormy clash at Loftus Road. That's handy: The Chelsea skipper will call on the expertise of QC George Carter-Stephenson That's handy: The Chelsea skipper will call on the expertise of QC George Carter-Stephenson Terry spent a fortune on legal fees first time around and it is estimated that he could be into seven figures on defence costs by the time the FA hearing is over. Carter-Stephenson employed junior counsel, as well as being instructed by Terry's Mayfair lawyers, during the original trial. Although the FA hearing is expected to be quicker, Terry is leaving nothing to chance and has again enlisted the help of team-mate Ashley Cole as part of his defence. Ferdinand's pre-match refusal to shake hands with the two players last week was decided when he learned that Cole will again be called to give evidence on Terry's behalf. Cole is among a number of people who have agreed to give evidence in front of the FA's independent panel next week. Charge: Terry is accused of using racially abusive language towards Ferdinand Charge: Terry is accused of using racially abusive language towards Ferdinand Chelsea's former assistant manager Ray Wilkins, who worked with Terry when Carlo Ancelotti was at Stamford Bridge, is also due to appear. Wilkins told Westminster Magistrates' Court he had never heard Terry use racist language during their long-standing friendship, dating back to Terry's early years at Chelsea. Terry is determined to clear his name for a second time after a year-long fight against police and FA investigations. The FA will use a lip-reading expert in the hearing
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2012 12:37:45 GMT
Wilkins to the rescue! (Hopefully he'll do for John Terry what he did to QPR!) www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2205775/John-Terry-facing-1m-defence-ahead-FA-charge.htmlDAILY MAIL Terry facing £1m defence bill as Chelsea captain calls on top QC to fight FA charge By Neil Ashton PUBLISHED: 16:45 EST, 19 September 2012 | UPDATED: 16:45 EST, 19 September 2012 Share John Terry will call on the expertise of £10,000-a-day QC George Carter-Stephenson to fight his FA charge next week. Carter-Stephenson successfully defended the former England captain at Westminster Magistrates' Court in July after he was accused of a racially aggravated offence towards Anton Ferdinand. Next week the Chelsea defender fights a separate FA charge of using racially abusive language towards Ferdinand during last October's stormy clash at Loftus Road. That's handy: The Chelsea skipper will call on the expertise of QC George Carter-Stephenson That's handy: The Chelsea skipper will call on the expertise of QC George Carter-Stephenson Terry spent a fortune on legal fees first time around and it is estimated that he could be into seven figures on defence costs by the time the FA hearing is over. Carter-Stephenson employed junior counsel, as well as being instructed by Terry's Mayfair lawyers, during the original trial. Although the FA hearing is expected to be quicker, Terry is leaving nothing to chance and has again enlisted the help of team-mate Ashley Cole as part of his defence. Ferdinand's pre-match refusal to shake hands with the two players last week was decided when he learned that Cole will again be called to give evidence on Terry's behalf. Cole is among a number of people who have agreed to give evidence in front of the FA's independent panel next week. Charge: Terry is accused of using racially abusive language towards Ferdinand Charge: Terry is accused of using racially abusive language towards Ferdinand Chelsea's former assistant manager Ray Wilkins, who worked with Terry when Carlo Ancelotti was at Stamford Bridge, is also due to appear. Wilkins told Westminster Magistrates' Court he had never heard Terry use racist language during their long-standing friendship, dating back to Terry's early years at Chelsea. Terry is determined to clear his name for a second time after a year-long fight against police and FA investigations. The FA will use a lip-reading expert in the hearing Quite amazing the amount of people who want to rush to Terrys defence! We all know Terrys a lying scumbag & so is suck up Cole but I Would have thought Wilkins would have had some respect for QPR & stayed out of this!!!........This has got not guilty written all over it I just know it!!! It seems to me that people are very oblivious to the fact that Terry was only found not guilty because the racial abuse he made couldn't be proven to be made with malice beyond reasonable doubt that is!! The comments he first denied that he said!! He was actually repeating what he thought Anton was saying!! Total crap!!! Then equal scumbag Cole just happens to back his story also just happening to be a player from a ethnic minority!!..........It stinks just like Chelsea stink & Terry is going to walk!!!..........No justice in the normal world or football world either it would seem!!
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Post by sharky on Sept 20, 2012 14:26:26 GMT
Got the look of a civil action to me. Much easier to prove in a civil court. That no good Sc* m won't get away with it.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Sept 20, 2012 15:12:08 GMT
Got the look of a civil action to me. Much easier to prove in a civil court. That no good Sc* m won't get away with it. JOHN TERRY WE KNOW WHAT YOU SAIDThat would make a great Tee Shirt. "JOHN TERRY WE KNOW WHAT YOU SAID"
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Post by sharky on Sept 20, 2012 15:22:14 GMT
I'll have an XL one please Lone
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Post by Lonegunmen on Sept 20, 2012 15:24:37 GMT
All procedes to the Tourettes Institute?
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Post by cpr on Sept 20, 2012 16:35:47 GMT
Marky Mark, sort out those t shirts for the trip to scumford drudge!!!!
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Post by Macmoish on Sept 22, 2012 22:04:34 GMT
(Terry was dropped today by Chelsea) MAIL Terry and Ferdinand face racial abuse hearing showdown at secret FA location By Rob Draper PUBLISHED: 14:42 EST, 22 September 2012 | UPDATED: 14:42 EST, 22 September 2012 Comments (0) Share John Terry and Anton Ferdinand will face each other in front of a four-man independent FA disciplinary panel at a secret London location on Monday - just nine days after the Chelsea captain was publicly snubbed by the QPR defender before the Premier League clash between their clubs at Loftus Road. Terry faces a likely four-match ban if he is found guilty of using racial language in abusing Ferdinand during a game last October. And the FA will come under enormous pressure to ban Terry from the England team if the panel, who are expected to sit for two days, find against their former captain. Late drama: John Terry (right) tries to calm Stoke's Jonathan Walters on Saturday Drama: John Terry (right) tries to calm Stoke's Jonathan Walters on Saturday Ferdinand is expected to attend in person to give evidence, as will Terry and his Chelsea team-mate, Ashley Cole. The England defender, who gave evidence in Terry's defence when he was acquitted of a charge at Westminster Magistrates' Court of racially abusing Ferdinand, was also snubbed by the QPR man when the two teams shook hands before their Premier League match last Saturday. Terry's legal team - led by George Carter-Stephenson QC, who defended him in court - are expected to argue that the case should not proceed because of Terry's acquittal in a criminal court. They will cite FA rule 6.8, which governs disciplinary hearings and states that the results of relevant civil or criminal proceedings are 'presumed to be correct and the facts presumed to be true' by FA regulatory commissions. No handshake: Anton Ferdinand (left) snubbed Terry at last week's match No handshake: Anton Ferdinand (left) snubbed Terry at last week's match However, the FA's legal team are likely to counter that the charge is distinct from the public order offence as their rules state that using language which refers to a player's colour is in itself an offence. Terry has admitted in court that he used the phrase 'f****** black c***' to Ferdinand but said he did so while asking if Ferdinand thought he had called him that and to explain that he had not. The FA disciplinary commission investigating the case of Liverpool's Luis Suarez, who called the Manchester United defender Patrice Evra 'negrito' - or 'a little black' - last season, ruled that simply using racist language was enough to constitute a breach of the rule. The commission reported: 'In our judgment, the test for breach of Rule E3 (1) is objective. The question is simply whether the words or behaviour are abusive or insulting. 'This is a matter for the Commission to decide, having regard to all the relevant facts and circumstances of the case. It is not necessary that the alleged offender intends his words or behaviour to be abusive or insulting in order for him to breach Rule E3 (1).' Terry's team argue that his words to Ferdinand were not insulting as they formed part of a genuine question. FA hearings are decided on the balance of probability, a lower test than the standard of 'beyond reasonable doubt' required by a court. England manager Roy Hodgson will also come under scrutiny in the next two weeks with a new England squad due to be announced. Previously, Hodgson has omitted Ferdinand's brother, Rio, citing 'football reasons' rather than any animosity that may exist between the Ferdinand family and Terry. However, if Ferdinand continues to hold his place in the Manchester United team over the next fortnight, the pressure on the England manager to pick him will grow, especially if Terry is unavailable to him because of a ban from England games. www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2207220/John-Terry-Rio-Ferdinand-face-racial-abuse-hearing.html
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Post by cpr on Sept 22, 2012 22:16:55 GMT
I don't believe he was dropped for one minute, practising his lines more like. Him and his missus were in my daughter's shop yesterday (where she works that is). Strangely she didn't say or ask anything I suggested...
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Post by sharky on Sept 23, 2012 0:40:41 GMT
I don't believe he was dropped for one minute, practising his lines more like. Him and his missus were in my daughter's shop yesterday (where she works that is). Strangely she didn't say or ask anything I suggested... Don't tell me, don't tell me Did you ask her to say.......... "JOHN TERRY WE KNOW WHAT YOU SAID. You f******g Chelsea Sc*m"
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Post by cpr on Sept 23, 2012 20:12:29 GMT
John Terry retires from international football.
Day before the case begins.
Something stinks.
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