|
|
Post by Macmoish on May 14, 2012 18:39:12 GMT
Throw in the whole way at least some people change when they become famous (or infamous)...Think they have to be "a character" and say things which are either inane or try to be controversial to attract an audience...Add those who think they are pseudo-intellectuals by talking about certain subjects...
As for Joey Barton: He has to be judged by how he plays...How he conducts himself on (and off) The field...And perhaps to a considerably lesser degree by what he says in tweets and posts and interviews.
I'm fully for standing by your player in a fight, right or wrong. But when it's over, you have to consider: Is he helping you or hindering you and your cause. On the Field. And off the field. What's his contribution to the overall image of QPR (which has financial impact)
We don't OWE anything to Barton. We owe everything to QPR.
In some ways it reminds me just a little of the Paladini hangers on, who said we OWED Paladini for his time at his QPR. That he loved QPR...Not that he has a well-paid job and made money from QPR. And that the only question with regards to Paladini, was whether he was doing a good job for QPR as CHairman and Sporting Director, etc.
(Not whether he was a good source; or they liked his smile and sense of humour, etc)
|
|
|
|
Post by klr on May 14, 2012 18:50:31 GMT
The whole Joey Barton thing is bad for QPR, having someone like him with an obvious narcissistic personality disorder down to London was always asking for trouble & the way he has been indulged by the club has been "unfortunate" as well shall we say.
Personally I think the owners of the club really need to deal with this, they have dealt with worse in their business careers I'm sure, they are ruthless hard edged businessman, I'm sure they can find a way for Joey Barton to not be a QPR player next season, he has been a poisonous influence on proceedings at QPR & I want 100% to see the back of him. He is bad for QPR & has been for the whole time he has been with us, a bad egg.
|
|
|
|
Post by Macmoish on May 14, 2012 18:55:26 GMT
Agree... Yes we may make a loss...But at some point - and maybe that point's not reached, and he'll change (at age 30?), but sometimes you have to cut your losses, because the damage caused by his continuing outweighs...
I guess only those who are around Loftus Road can judge what influence he plays at QPR. If it's only his persona (and the reckless behaviour on occasion) but he actually overall is a positive influence - re training, atmosphere, then maybe keep him; just not as captain...And maybe not playing as much. That would probably be my determining point:
|
|
|
|
Post by blatantfowl on May 14, 2012 19:27:02 GMT
I just listened to the pundits on 5Live take apart the FA charges and by their reckoning it is a minimum 10 match ban
4 matches for a second red card in a season and minimum of 3 per FA charge. They can increase the ban from there based on their judgement of the FA charges....
|
|
|
|
Post by RoryTheRanger on May 14, 2012 19:29:51 GMT
I just listened to the pundits on 5Live take apart the FA charges and by their reckoning it is a minimum 10 match ban 4 matches for a second red card in a season and minimum of 3 per FA charge. They can increase the ban from there based on their judgement of the FA charges.... Think the FA will throw the rule book at him. 3 month ban I reckon. |
|
|
|
Post by blatantfowl on May 14, 2012 19:37:41 GMT
Amit Bhatia was just interviewed as well. Says he will support whatever Mark Hughes wants to do in regard to the Barton situation
|
|
|
|
Post by FloridaR on May 14, 2012 19:54:02 GMT
So if Bartons on 80k a game he's 800 k short next year ?
|
|
obk
Dave Sexton
Posts: 1,516
|
Post by obk on May 14, 2012 20:00:26 GMT
800k down, yes he will probably have to live on benefits...
|
|
|
|
Post by qprthinker on May 14, 2012 20:12:13 GMT
So if Bartons on 80k a game he's 800 k short next year ? Barton will still be paid the 800k (Assuming he is on 80k/week) It all depends on what his contract stipulates. Often, players don't agree to signing for another team in advance knowing their wages will be docked should said player be suspended due to being sent off. Mark Hughes, as manager, will have some power in terms of fining Barton... but whether that power extends to fining him a full 10 weeks wages is questionable. Hughes needs to decide if he wants to keep Barton. If Hughes wants Barton to play, then screwing him out of 800K and then expecting Barton to play his socks off for his manager is not the way to go. Hughes needs to be clever in whatever decision he makes. |
|
|
|
Post by maudesfishnchips on May 14, 2012 20:14:51 GMT
get rid, the no good tosser, has been all bad all season on pitch and off
|
|
eskey8
Dave Sexton
www.cycle2austria.com
Posts: 2,274
|
Post by eskey8 on May 14, 2012 20:18:14 GMT
It will be interesting to see the length of the ban - is what he did yesterday worse than what Suarez did? In my opinion, no - so I would hope its less that 10 games (including the 4 games for the initial sending off)
|
|
|
|
Post by fraserinbc on May 14, 2012 20:40:56 GMT
Looks like no hard feelings amongst the team - photo from Paddy Kenny's feed: twitter.com/#!/p20ddy/status/202122048745635840/photo/1/large |
|
|
|
Post by Macmoish on May 14, 2012 23:24:49 GMT
MAIL Barton to be shown QPR door as players back Hughes in axing star after rage By SAMI MOKBEL PUBLISHED: 16:57 EST, 14 May 2012 | UPDATED: 16:57 EST, 14 May 2012 Comments (2) Share Queens Park Rangers want to dump Joey Barton this summer after his inexplicable tantrum at the Etihad Stadium. The Rangers skipper is facing a 10-game ban after being sent off for elbowing Carlos Tevez, aiming a punch at Sergio Aguero and headbutting Vincent Kompany. And his Loftus Road career looks as good as over after manager Mark Hughes decided Sunday’s show of indiscipline was a step too far. However, Rangers fear Barton’s hefty £70,000-per-week wage deal will prove a huge obstacle in their attempts to off load the problematic midfielder. Madness: Joey Barton (right) argues his point with Carlos Tevez on the floor Hughes, together with owner Tony Fernandes, technical director Mike Rigg and chief executive Phillip Beard will meet on Tuesday to discuss Barton’s future. Prior to Sunday, manager Hughes already had it in his mind to sell Barton this summer, based purely on footballing reasons. And the rage he showed against his former club has solidified Hughes’ resolve to move Barton out of Loftus Road. Sportsmail understands a clutch of senior Rangers players back the decision. Several members of the squad feel Barton is a liability to the team, with his antics against City only underlining that feeling. Rangers are fully aware clubs are unlikely to be queuing up to sign the former Newcastle man given his bad-boy reputation. Barton still has three years left on his QPR deal - leaving the club facing up to a huge £11million wage obligation to the 29-year-old. And finding a club willing to match his wages will be a difficult task. Pain game: Tevez winces in agony after being struck by Barton Row: Tevez makes his point with Barton after being elbowed Putting together a severance package to allow Barton to walk away from the club this summer is one option, while it has also been suggested that the club have considered the outburst on Sunday could be deemed serious enough to sack him for gross misconduct. Allowing Barton to leave on a free transfer is also another option that is likely to be floated at Tuesday's meeting, while the club are also expected to fine him two weeks wages and could even strip him of the club captaincy. The fact Barton will also be suspended for a hefty number of games at the start of next season is also likey to put off possible suitors. Controversy: Sergio Aguero points the finger at Joey Barton after he floored team-mate Carlos Tevez with an elbow to the face Marching orders: Mike Dean dismisses Barton after his moment of madness The FA confirmed that in addition to his red card for his clash with Tevez, Barton has also been charged with violent conduct for the incidents involving Sergio Aguero and Vincent Kompany. Barton will face at least a four game ban for his sending off - but the fact he has been charge on two separate accounts could increase his suspension by a further six matches. The QPR captain has until 6pm on Tuesday to respond to the charges. Barton has since taken to Twitter to apologise for his violent outbursts at the Etihad Stadium, posting: ‘Right enough about yesterday, I apologise to everyone offended by it. ‘If that’s not enough for some, so be it. Life is too short.’ However, his penchant for conflict once again reared its head on the social networking website as he responded to criticism from Match of the Day pundit Gary Lineker. Trouble: Barton aimed a headbutt at Vincent Kompany after being sent off Getting involved: Substitute Mario Balotelli had to be pulled away by City's coaching staff as he nearly came to blows with Barton Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2144461/Joey-Barton-sold-QPR.html#ixzz1utClhcYR |
|
|
|
Post by RoryTheRanger on May 14, 2012 23:27:57 GMT
Sami Mokbel has been well placed at QPR recently so I will believe him on this and say thank f*ck for that. Get rid ASAP
|
|
|
|
Post by Macmoish on May 14, 2012 23:28:34 GMT
GUARDIAN Joey Barton's QPR career in serious doubt after Manchester City fracas • Barton could be banned for 10 Premier League matches • QPR may struggle to sell £80,000-per-week midfielder Dominic Fifield Joey Barton's future at Queens Park Rangers has been cast into serious doubt following his dismissal and subsequent reaction at Manchester City on Sunday, offences which could see him banned for at least 10 matches at the start of next season. The one-time England international will receive an automatic four-match suspension for flinging an elbow at Carlos Tevez – his second red card of the season – and has been charged with two acts of violent conduct by the Football Association over his kick out at Sergio Agüero and attempt to headbutt Vincent Kompany before he was eventually escorted from the field. Both those offences, which fell outside the jurisdiction of the referee Mike Dean, would normally carry three-match bans, though there remains scope for the FA's regulatory panel to increase the sanction. Barton has until 6pm on Tuesday to respond to the charges. The incident is the latest controversy to blight the 29-year-old's career and the prospect of him being suspended well into next season – as well as his onerous £80,000-a-week wages and his reputation – could prove a major hindrance to QPR's attempts to sell the midfielder from the playing staff. The club are conducting their own enquiry into events at the Etihad Stadium but, behind the scenes, it is understood the manager, Mark Hughes, was left exasperated by the experienced player's conduct on such a critical occasion as the Londoners attempted to retain their topflight status. The midfielder is contracted until 2015 at Loftus Road, with QPR now considering their options. The club's chairman, Tony Fernandes, confirmed the player's conduct is under review. He told the BBC: "There are experienced people who will come back to me and we'll review the whole situation. Joey has been an integral part of the club and has played his part. [Djibril] Cissé has been sent off twice, and I think he was critical for us in terms of getting goals. This is football, and I'm new to it. I don't profess to have all the answers." www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/14/joey-barton-qpr-manchester-city?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+theguardian%2Ffootball%2Frss+%28Football%29 |
|
|
|
Post by Macmoish on May 14, 2012 23:32:47 GMT
INDEPENDENT Sacking Barton may prove too costly for QPR Midfielder faces 12-game ban after red card at the Etihad but contract has three years left to run IAN HERBERT TUESDAY 15 MAY 2012 Queen's Park Rangers want to dismiss Joey Barton, whom they expect to be banned for up to 12 games following his conduct at Manchester City on Sunday, though the lucrative terms of his long-term contract will make the cost of doing so a staggering £12.5m. The Rangers manager, Mark Hughes, who is understood to have found Barton just as difficult to work with as did his predecessor, Neil Warnock, may have to soldier on with Barton on the club's books, despite the fact that some of the midfielder's team-mates find his presence difficult and destabilising. Barton was signed last summer under a deal which sees him command a wage of £80,000 a week and which has three years left to run. Hughes must decide whether to push for Barton's sale, though that may remove a large slice of the budget available for the manager to make good on his promise that Rangers will not flirt with relegation while he is in charge. Barton was yesterday charged with two counts of violent conduct by the Football Association, one for kneeing Sergio Aguero, one for trying to butt Vincent Kompany which will carry bans of their own. He will have an automatic three-game ban for the dismissal plus he receives an extra one-match ban, because it is his second red card of the season. As such the club are resigned to him receiving the Premier League's first 10-game ban, at the very least. The FA could include his failure to leave the field of play when it tots up his offences and increase the ban. Also if he is given a retrospective "third red" that would trigger an additional two-game ban. Rangers' attention has been drawn to the fact that Javier Mascherano, then of Liverpool, received a two-match ban for failing to leave the field of play when dismissed at Old Trafford in March 2008. Rangers have begun discussions with disciplinary specialists, though they are aware of the difficulty in sacking players – even Carlos Tevez's unauthorised leave of absence was insufficient to bring that course of action at City this season. Barton's use of Twitter is not likely to land him in further trouble, though it is five months since he was warned about predicting results through it. After the BBC's Alan Shearer and Gary Lineker criticised his behaviour at the Etihad Stadium, Barton made a series of posts which concluded with him referring to Shearer as a "shit pundit/manager..." and adding "I really don't like that prick, in fact I honestly despise him..." Barton's nature baffles some of those with whom he plays and some longer-serving members of the QPR squad believe that it was the decision to sign marquee names such as him, rather than sticking with established principles, that caused Rangers so much trouble this season. The QPR chairman, Tony Fernandes, did not rule out Barton having a future at Loftus Road. "There are experienced people who will come back to me and we'll review the whole situation," he said. "There's a process that the club goes through in terms of sendings off and disciplinary action. That's something Mark Hughes will report through to the board." Twitter: we follow so you don't have to 1.40am: Gary Lineker Hear @joey7barton had a dig at Shearer. Is this an attempt, I wonder, to deflect from the obvious and deserved criticisms coming his way. 9.32am: Joey Barton No deflections here mate. Think the fact about 100m people seen it will see to that. Just don't like how he gets personal. 12pm: Gary Lineker @joey7barton Still raging then? Still kicking out? And still, presumably, misunderstood? But only by yourself I suspect. 12.17pm: Joey Barton Do u wanna go there publicly "Mr Squeaky Clean"? Think u should have a look in that vast closet of skeltons before u respond. I know a lot about THAT side to u the people don't and won't bat an eye lid at exposing u. So mind ur manners Squeaky... Meanwhile, judging by the tweets, Man City's player seemed to have a great night... 5.03am: Joleon Lescott Right I'm gonna try get some rest. School run, then meeting the lads. 10.04am: Vincent Kompany Struggling to remember what happened last night... Woke up with a medal around my neck. 1.42pm: Nigel de Jong What a night! www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/sacking-barton-may-prove-too-costly-for-qpr-7746746.html |
|
|
|
Post by superckat on May 15, 2012 0:13:19 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by alqpr81 on May 15, 2012 0:43:40 GMT
...and the reason we stayed up by the skin of our teeth isn't the lack of quality in the squad, it's the situation we were led towards in January, which we had to be saved from. In my opinion. I see your point, it was just an idea you had. I think the future of Buzz probably deserves a thread in it's own right. But for me experimenting means blooding youngsters into the team or gelling new signings. They both get a chance because...well it isn't really experimenting at all because it is actually a necessity to develop and improve a team. The examples you give back up what I am saying. Sadly, Buzz does not fit this and has been given enough chances so IMO we already know he is not really good enough. Yeah, I do see where you're coming from. I suppose I'm just a bit loyal towards him because he's been a good servant, and I'm not convinced he isn't good enough to cut it in the Prem, hence the thought about a run of games etc. However, I do agree that this won't be with QPR...sounds a bit big headed, but I think we'll be too good to be honest. Plus players like Diakite who have shown their quality already and are only 23 are the types we really want. I feel a bit sorry for Buzz in that he's more likely to go out with a whimper than a bang, and in fairness he's been through a lot with us! |
|
|
|
Post by canadaranger on May 15, 2012 2:34:25 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by fraserinbc on May 15, 2012 5:29:16 GMT
I just want to know what dirt Barton has on Lineker
|
|
|
|
Post by nomar on May 15, 2012 6:13:27 GMT
I read on Sunday night that we were thinking of axing Barton.
Can we pay up his contract enough to allow other teams to take him on, or will we loan him out?
The FA should give him a season long ban in my opinion. What he did to Aguero was disgusting and nothing short of assault.
I fear we may have to keep him out of the fact that no one else will be desperate enough or stupid enough to want him even if we gave him away.
|
|
|
|
Post by Macmoish on May 15, 2012 6:34:34 GMT
Do I feel a little sorry for him? Yes I do...But he clearly has "problems" and he doesnt seem to be able to control himself.
And when he tweets/when he speaks, he's representing our club.
And when he behaves badly. When he denigrates Lineker and Shearer and others (whether fairly or unfairly), the QPR connection is always there.
|
|
Doudou
Dave Mangnall
The Four Year Plan
Posts: 222 
|
Post by Doudou on May 15, 2012 8:16:34 GMT
Nobody will take him off our hands. That contract with 3 years remaining on it at 70k or 80k a week is a disaster for us. Nobody else will pay that kind of money. He will be at our club for the foreseeable future.
|
|
|
|
Post by RoryTheRanger on May 15, 2012 8:18:28 GMT
I read on Sunday night that we were thinking of axing Barton. Can we pay up his contract enough to allow other teams to take him on, or will we loan him out? The FA should give him a season long ban in my opinion. What he did to Aguero was disgusting and nothing short of assault. I fear we may have to keep him out of the fact that no one else will be desperate enough or stupid enough to want him even if we gave him away. Paying up his contract would cost about £12m according to paper reports  Think the best thing we can hope for is that the FA decided enough is enough and just ban him for life. |
|
|
|
Post by Macmoish on May 15, 2012 8:19:30 GMT
Do we have to pay him when he's suspended?
(If not we'll probably be saving around 750,000 pounds right off the back!)
|
|
|
|
Post by RoryTheRanger on May 15, 2012 8:20:30 GMT
If we can somehow loan him out at least we won't have to pay the full 80k a week, the club that gets him will pay about 30k of it hopefully.
|
|
|
|
Post by kempton ranger on May 15, 2012 10:32:41 GMT
Looks to me that he will be contracted to QPR for some seasons yet? Can not see the club and would not want the club to blow millions just to terminate his contract.
I guess if they really want him out and can find a way of getting him out without having to pay-out then he will be gone, either way this whole saga will be finished sooner rather than later is my guess .
I still support Barton and thought he has been playing well of late but hey-ho what do I know.
|
|
|
|
Post by Lonegunmen on May 15, 2012 10:53:06 GMT
Well he still cant cross, still cant pass and still cant shut the F*** up. As our captain he has broken every moral rule of being a Captain. Cant we free him to some team in Yemen? They can match the wages and English football will be better off. To think he has/had ambitions of playing for England again? Not with his psychological issues. For the Teves crap that was soso, but it's what he did next that says "looney" way out loud.
|
|
|
|
Post by alqpr81 on May 15, 2012 10:54:25 GMT
Well, I think the Club will be investigating any legal loopholes they can find, perhaps a contract breach, closure clause or mutual termination something like that.
Assuming the papers are remotely accurate, and Hughes is actually dead set on forcing him out? It may be that that isn't the case?
You know, if it wasn't for all his stupid tweeting, things wouldn't be half as bad for him. He really ought to be banned from there, and have his account deleted...I thought he was going to make a blogging site? That worked out well huh.
His best football was when he stopped with that silly site. As soon as he went back on it, his form noticeably dropped again...I mean, work it out!
I don't know guys, let's wait and see what Hughes and co say about it in a few days.
|
|
|
|
Post by RoryTheRanger on May 15, 2012 10:56:41 GMT
If we can find some idiots to take him on then we can give him away for free.
|
|
