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Post by Macmoish on May 14, 2012 11:59:20 GMT
In reply to qprtobefrank and andrewqpr, is it the policy of this forum to personally single out and attack people who share a different view from you? Just for the record, I am not a Chelsea fan, was not on the ale and am a graduate, so probably do have some brain cells. I was drawn to this forum becuase I thought it was an intelligent place where people could trade ideas freely. Not so sure it is now. Thank goodness football is played on grass in stadiums and not on the internet. I don't think you should judge this messageboard (or any messageboard) by what one poster says, one time. And sometimes even the best poster says something he may regret later. Judge it by the totality of posts...And by how posts and posters are regarded over time. What's posted; what's not. What's deleted; what's not. Etc. And I'd back this INDEPENDENT board against any other  And come on: Any post that disparages the loyalty to QPR of CPR...Come on! Doesnt mean agree with CPR re Barton as I made clear. But the rest of the critique, forget and ignore. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2012 12:17:46 GMT
Garth Crooks. (what a nobhead) has said this "This will go beyond the summer. When the FA see this there will be reprisals. It's extraordinary. You can only describe it as an assault on Carlos Tevez. He should get a six-month ban, for that incident alone."   |
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Post by Macmoish on May 14, 2012 12:23:51 GMT
Jacob Murtagh/Fulham Chronicle QPR midfielder defends bad-boy Barton SHAUN Derry has backed bad-boy skipper Joey Barton after his crazy red card in Sunday's defeat at Manchester City. The QPR midfielder was sent-off for an elbow on Carlos Tevez, before kicking out at Sergio Aguero and attempting to headbutt Vincent Kompany. Barton, who is now facing a lengthly ban, has apologised via Twitter, then launched a scathing attack on BBC pundit Alan Shearer. However, Derry insists the incident shouldn't overshadow QPR's achievement of escaping the drop. He said: “Joey's going to feel very bad about it, but we're a unit in there, through the good times and the bad times, throughout this season. “Joey's right up there with us. I feel for him because he's made a stupid reaction. “We understand his feelings. He's probably in a dark place at the minute but it's not about Joey Barton. It's about QPR and a group of guys.” www.fulhamchronicle.co.uk/london-sport/london-qpr/2012/05/14/qpr-midfielder-defends-bad-boy-barton-64767-30965743/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter |
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Post by haqpr1963 on May 14, 2012 12:30:42 GMT
I wonder what would have happened if Joey had gone down when Tevez hit him.
Would hate to think that the officials in the best league in the world would take Joeys past into account in a situation like that.
As I have said all season, Joey has issues he wouldn't be going to AA if he didn't. Clubs have targeted this. He has to learn to get over this.
(Mind you if someone butted me or hit me I would probably deck them as well....... Good thing I am not a footballer....)
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2012 12:32:14 GMT
BBC News and Olympics correspondent James Pearce tweets: "Interviewed QPR Chairman Tony Fernandes. He says the club is carrying out an investigation into Barton yesterday, but doesn't rule out player staying."
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Post by haqpr1963 on May 14, 2012 12:40:05 GMT
BBC News and Olympics correspondent James Pearce tweets: "Interviewed QPR Chairman Tony Fernandes. He says the club is carrying out an investigation into Barton yesterday, but doesn't rule out player staying." They have no reason to let him go. Has he broken his contract? I very much doubt it. If we get rid of Joey then we have to get rid of Cisse as well, he did the same... |
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Post by Macmoish on May 14, 2012 12:49:57 GMT
Getting Ugly Joey Barton threatens to reveal the 'other side' Gary Lineker in Twitter fracas 14th May 2012 1:12pm | By Editor an hour ago Joey Barton vs Gary Lineker QPR captain, in the media doghouse for his outburst during his side's final day clash with Man City, has spat with MOTD presenter Gary Lineker. Barton's temperment has once again been called into question following his red card for elbowing Man City's Carlos Tevez (not to mention kneeing Sergio Aguero and attempting to headbutt ambulant mountain Vincent Kompany). Responding to Linekers Tweets, Barton gave the former England forward both barrels, before threatening to expose 'the other side' of Gary Lineker. Check out the barney below GaryLineker Hear @joey7barton had a dig at Shearer. Is this an attempt, I wonder, to deflect from the obvious and deserved criticisms coming his way? Gary Lineker 12 hours ago ReplyRetweet Joey7Barton @garylineker do u wanna go there publicly "Mr Squeaky Clean" ? Think u should have a look in that vast closet of skeltons before u respond. Joseph Barton 2 hours ago ReplyRetweet Joey7Barton @garylineker I know a lot about THAT side to u the people don't and won't bat an eye lid at exposing u. So mind ur manners Squeaky... Joseph Barton an hour ago ReplyRetweet Joey7Barton @garylineker now back under your stone you odious little toad... Joseph Barton an hour ago ReplyRetweet GaryLineker @joey7barton Still raging then? Still kicking out? And still, presumably, misunderstood? But only by yourself I suspect. www.tntmagazine.com/news/sport/joey-barton-threatens-to-reveal-the-other-side-gary-lineker-in-twitter-fracas |
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Post by Marc on May 14, 2012 12:58:15 GMT
BBC News and Olympics correspondent James Pearce tweets: "Interviewed QPR Chairman Tony Fernandes. He says the club is carrying out an investigation into Barton yesterday, but doesn't rule out player staying." They have no reason to let him go. Has he broken his contract? I very much doubt it. If we get rid of Joey then we have to get rid of Cisse as well, he did the same... Cisse didn't do the same. He lashed out at another player but, when he was shown the red card, he left the pitch. He didn't assault another player and try to headbutt a third. That's the big difference here. Did you see the expression on his face when he kned Aguero? I've seen that expression many times up close and personal. Thug, pure and simple, not fit to captain a pub team! |
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Post by gramps on May 14, 2012 13:01:06 GMT
Waiting for Hitman to come back and comment.
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Post by Macmoish on May 14, 2012 13:02:12 GMT
Hughes to decide on Barton club punishment Monday, May 14, 2012 - 01:48 PM Mark Hughes will decide what club punishment to hand down to captain Joey Barton for his conduct during yesterday’s 3-2 defeat to Manchester City, QPR owner Tony Fernandes said today. A tense final day of the season saw QPR avoid relegation from the Barclays Premier League despite their loss, but the positive outcome for the Londoners was overshadowed by Barton’s red card. The controversial midfielder was sent off for elbowing Carlos Tevez and then kicked Sergio Aguero and tried to headbutt Vincent Kompany before being escorted off the pitch by his team-mates. The Rangers captain will now be banned for the Londoners’ first four games next season but he could end up with a longer suspension – possibly up to nine matches. Fernandes, who bought the club last summer, insists he will not get involved in determining any internal punishment QPR hand down to the 29-year-old. “I will leave that to the manager and the chief executive (Phil Beard),” Fernandes told Sky Sports News. “Now we just want to focus on the positives. It’s a little bit early to talk about that. “I will not step in. My goal at the club is to bring in the right infrastructure and the right people, I leave the manager to manage the players. “Of course the board will be involved, but we will let him come to us and say: ’This is what I would like to do’.” www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/hughes-to-decide-on-barton-club-punishment-551469.html#ixzz1uqgFVAxT |
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Post by FloridaR on May 14, 2012 13:05:41 GMT
Getting Ugly Joey Barton threatens to reveal the 'other side' Gary Lineker in Twitter fracas 14th May 2012 1:12pm | By Editor an hour ago Joey Barton vs Gary Lineker QPR captain, in the media doghouse for his outburst during his side's final day clash with Man City, has spat with MOTD presenter Gary Lineker. Barton's temperment has once again been called into question following his red card for elbowing Man City's Carlos Tevez (not to mention kneeing Sergio Aguero and attempting to headbutt ambulant mountain Vincent Kompany). Responding to Linekers Tweets, Barton gave the former England forward both barrels, before threatening to expose 'the other side' of Gary Lineker. Check out the barney below GaryLineker Hear @joey7barton had a dig at Shearer. Is this an attempt, I wonder, to deflect from the obvious and deserved criticisms coming his way? Gary Lineker 12 hours ago ReplyRetweet Joey7Barton @garylineker do u wanna go there publicly "Mr Squeaky Clean" ? Think u should have a look in that vast closet of skeltons before u respond. Joseph Barton 2 hours ago ReplyRetweet Joey7Barton @garylineker I know a lot about THAT side to u the people don't and won't bat an eye lid at exposing u. So mind ur manners Squeaky... Joseph Barton an hour ago ReplyRetweet Joey7Barton @garylineker now back under your stone you odious little toad... Joseph Barton an hour ago ReplyRetweet GaryLineker @joey7barton Still raging then? Still kicking out? And still, presumably, misunderstood? But only by yourself I suspect. www.tntmagazine.com/news/sport/joey-barton-threatens-to-reveal-the-other-side-gary-lineker-in-twitter-fracas |
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Post by rolands59 on May 14, 2012 13:09:24 GMT
If Barton, Cisse and Bothroyd are the type of people Fernandes wants representing him, so be it. Just because some idiot, or woman beater, or Quaddafi lover puts on blue & white hoops doesn't mean I'll root for them or make excuses.
To quote Barton "God loves a trier", indeed I imagine he does just like I'm pretty sure Hell will be full of folks that God loved. Wake the fcuk up Barton.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 14, 2012 13:09:49 GMT
BBC News and Olympics correspondent James Pearce tweets: "Interviewed QPR Chairman Tony Fernandes. He says the club is carrying out an investigation into Barton yesterday, but doesn't rule out player staying." They have no reason to let him go. Has he broken his contract? I very much doubt it. If we get rid of Joey then we have to get rid of Cisse as well, he did the same... Cisse did no-where near the same. Cisse did react badly to a horrible challenge but he didn't then go on to attack two other players. Also Cisse has made it up to us. Barton is a thug and I don't want him near QPR |
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Post by scubahoop on May 14, 2012 13:16:18 GMT
Fair enough gramps, it's all water off a duck's back to me. Would be nice to have a debate without recourse to name calling, insults and McCarthyite/Stalinist witch-hunts though. I think that the Barton issue really winds people up which is probably exactly what Joey enjoys. For the record, I think JB is a character who adds to the entertainment value of football - a bit of a pantomime villain that everybody loves to hate (especially the media). In that respect, I hope he stays, he gets people talking about us at least, and also for his footballing ability which is good. It adds to the entertainment for me. If he were to break somebody's leg or jaw I would obviously change my opinion of him and want him out of QPR but I don't think that will happen. All in all though one day he will move on and be somebody else's asset or problem whichever way you look at it. He is just a footballer after all. |
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Post by Macmoish on May 14, 2012 13:24:56 GMT
Shields Gazette Talk of the Toon: How do you solve a problem like Joey? By MILES STARFORTH Published on Monday 14 May 2012 13:32 HINDSIGHT is a wonderful thing, not least in football. As is foresight, and the decision to let Joey Barton leave Newcastle United was far-sighted in hindsight. Last summer, I felt the club would miss Barton, Kevin Nolan and Jose Enrique. This view was shared by many, not least United manager Alan Pardew. Pardew, after all, had wanted all three to stay, such had been their influence on the pitch in the first few months of his tenure at St James’s Park. Their departures left United short of Premier League experience and guile. Yet Newcastle ended the season fifth in the division, and ahead of Liverpool, the club Enrique joined in search of Champions League football. Football, truly, can be a funny old game. And as news of Barton’s dismissal filtered through to the Goodison Park Press box yesterday, few journalists, whether they were from Tyneside or Merseyside, were surprised. Barton – who elbowed Carlos Tevez in the face – could have cost Queens Park Rangers their top-flight status. As it was, his actions – which contributed to the five minutes of added time play at the Etihad Stadium – influenced the title race, not the relegation battle. Last night, he admitted on Twitter he kneed Sergio Aguero in the back of his leg in an attempt to get a Manchester City player sent off as he left the field. Barton will serve an automatic four-match ban for his red card. And the 29-year-old faces further sanctions from the Football Association over the Aguero blow, and possibly his ill-advised tweet. Barton and Nolan were huge influences on and off the field for United under Pardew and his predecessor Chris Hughton, and their contribution to the club’s revival won’t be forgotten on Tyneside. The decision to hand Barton a free transfer in the wake of a behind-the-scenes row over the captaincy before a pre-season friendly at Elland Road – and a subsequent series of very public tweets – was questioned at the time. Barton had been embraced by United fans, his previous errors of judgement forgiven, if not entirely forgotten. He let himself down off the field, and his club down on the pitch, in his first two years at the club. And Barton, it’s clear from his tweets yesterday, has never forgiven Alan Shearer – who was rightly critical of him on Match of the Day – for what was said in the dressing room after his dismissal at Anfield late in the club’s relegation season. The red card he was shown for a reckless challenge on Xabi Alonso saw him banned for three games when his club needed him most. Newcastle’s fans forgave him, in time, for that challenge, and he slowly repaid their faith over the following two campaigns. Yet Barton, invariably, is never far from controversy. Never shy of an opinion, and never shy to criticise others for their opinions, Barton can be as overbearing as he is engaging. And United’s assistant manager John Carver made some telling remarks late last month. “You can cast your mind back to when we lost Joey and Kevin,” said Carver. “Then we talked about how some of the other players had stepped up because they might not have felt intimidated by others. “They felt welcome and part of it here, and because of that they excelled in it.” It isn’t difficult to read between the lines. www.shieldsgazette.com/sport/talk-of-the-toon-how-do-you-solve-a-problem-like-joey-1-4546381 |
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Post by Macmoish on May 14, 2012 13:27:11 GMT
Reminds me of how Taarabt was cut down by Barton in those initial weeks and months. ... And United’s assistant manager John Carver made some telling remarks late last month. “You can cast your mind back to when we lost Joey and Kevin,” said Carver. “Then we talked about how some of the other players had stepped up because they might not have felt intimidated by others. “They felt welcome and part of it here, and because of that they excelled in it.” It isn’t difficult to read between the lines. "http://www.shieldsgazette.com/sport/talk-of-the-toon-how-do-you-solve-a-problem-like-joey-1-4546381 |
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Post by hitman34 on May 14, 2012 13:35:11 GMT
Waiting for Hitman to come back and comment. gramps, this comment is for you. i understood the amount of pressure and abuse barton had been recieving, the rough treatment on the pitch yest by the city players. the WINNING mentallity that barton brings to our club. the twits at shearer last night. (shearer is adirty hypocrite chunt) but to carry on today by having a go at liniker is a mistake and i hope he apologizes in the not too distant future. sparky hughes is the boss so, whatever he decides i shall support. |
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Post by Markqpr on May 14, 2012 13:48:52 GMT
the WINNING mentallity that barton brings to our club. I wish he would bring that to away games. Do none of the other players think we are ever going to win, or of course they do and Joey's belief is just so massive it more than makes up for all the indifferent performances he's put in over the course of the season? I'd rather have a player capable of winning games rather than one that simply believes it! As for the reaction to his sending off where people are calling for his head, yes he let us and himself down, yes he's an absolute idiot and yes, he's a marque signing made by the board in order to raise our profile, but he is a player worth having in the squad when he can focus on his game and to get rid of him for doing something I've seen many a time over the years without the mass hysteria reaction would be very short sighted and hypocritical of us, both as a team and as a set of supporters. Definitely should be stripped of the captains arm band as he's proved he's not a leader, just an empty big mouth and should be left to concentrate on his game. |
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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 14, 2012 13:57:21 GMT
I don't normally agree with Hitman but his last point I do agree with.
If Sparky decides to get rid of Barton then I will support that decision, ditto if he decides to keep him.
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Post by oliverjames on May 14, 2012 14:04:29 GMT
Can his contract be terminated due to some thing about his conduct etc as a Qpr employee.
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Post by oliverjames on May 14, 2012 14:07:13 GMT
The spat with linker unfortunately Barton is right. An ex girlfriend of mine worked at the bbc and linker ain't no saint.
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Post by klr on May 14, 2012 14:20:28 GMT
I think we should get rid of Barton in no uncertain terms.
I've heard a few things about Lineker as well, nasty piece of work according to some.
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Post by FloridaR on May 14, 2012 14:27:48 GMT
Joeys fast becoming the fat pot-bellied beer guzzling QPR fans favourite.
Shit Captain and a player in sharp decline at the top level.
Technically flawed and his ability to read the game shows less and less with the losses and his after match mental spats.
Winning mentality of what exactly ? A Captain of a technically relegated side this year ?
According to a few - In that case we need more of him next season.
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Please Carry On with what you are doing Joey ........
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Post by klr on May 14, 2012 14:36:48 GMT
Joeys fast becoming the fat pot-bellied beer guzzling QPR fans favourite. Shit Captain and a player in sharp decline at the top level. Technically flawed and his ability to read the game shows less and less with the losses and his after match mental spats. Winning mentality of what exactly ? A Captain of a technically relegated side this year ? According to a few - In that case we need more of him next season. Great ! Please Carry On with what you are doing Joey ........ Agree, when he came in, he actually disrupted our midfield, the Derry / Faurlin push-pull thing which was the highlight of a lot of our early season performances, also given up the captaincy in a Championship winning team full of leaders / winners to a controversial, divisive character was obviously not a good call & classic QPR F*ck up territory. I also dont care what anyone says, our good run of form towards the end of the season when our midfield dominated & stifled the opposition at Loftus Road, at no time was Joey Barton the dominant driving force in our midfield, sure he played well maybe 4 or 5 times, but as well as Diakite or Derry in those matches ? No, I dont think so. We need Joey Barton at QPR like a whole in the head. Next season, Faurlin, Diakite, Derry, Barton is way down the pecking order IMO, the top brass have to use their business acumen find a way to get him out the club, he cant stay after this. |
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Post by alqpr81 on May 14, 2012 14:45:26 GMT
This is all getting way out of hand, and completely detracting from the fact that we should all be on cloud 9 after surviving! Not to mention only letting our guard down after we knew we were safe. For a team with our away record, what we did at the Etihad was almost nothing short of a miracle, and if our fans hadn't cheered after 94 mins, then probably would have been a miracle.
Barton had a violent reaction..but to be fair, the way most of you are carrying on, it's as if no other player in footballing history has ever done the same?
There's been other instances where some fans have called for a players head, not least of all Adel Taarabt after he threw a strop vs Hull last season and stormed off the pitch, and again this season when he left after the Fulham drubbing.
This - like anything - is one incident over a whole season where, by and large, Barton's actually been the model professional! He's one of the most kicked about players in the game, certainly watching us this season, and to be honest I'm not surprised he finally cracked.
This doesn't mean I support or condone his actions - it was very nearly a penalty and for all we knew at the time, Bolton may have gone onto win, and our heads may have dropped, not to mention the embarrassing follow up attacks on Aguerro and assorted other City players. I'm as disappointed as everyone else.
My point is just that I think we're all taking it to extremes a bit much - mainly because all the people who don't like Barton have had to keep quiet recently since his form finding final matches - and this one incident gives license for all the haters to come rushing back out again to slag him off for days on end.
He's clearly not a particularly nice chap, and has problems controlling his temper. But in all honesty, can people say he hasn't tried, or contributed to some of our latter successes?? Even when he was playing poorly, his work rate was second to none, and when Derry was playing like a rabbit caught in headlights every week, Barton was the one who was running his back side off covering for him.
So, all things considered, I don't think he deserves quite the level of angst that he's getting at the moment. Let's just have some faith in Hughes, Beard & Fernandes in dealing with it, and be the outcome what it may.
On top of it all, the fact that he'll be lucky to be available to play before the January window means his future as a QPR regular, certainly, is all but over. I'm sure the captaincy will be changed, and the Summer signings will probably push him further down the pecking order, especially if they gel well and perform.
As it stands at the moment, we'll have Diakite (I'm going to say that we will complete the permanent deal) and Faurlin starting matches anyway, so basically...let's just not worry about it!! It'll be dealt with.
There's so much to be happy and excited about, especially with the completed purchase of Warren Farm and the plans for it's development already in motion...when you consider everything that's opening up for us, is Joey Barton really worth all this attention?
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Post by FloridaR on May 14, 2012 14:49:57 GMT
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Post by hitman34 on May 14, 2012 14:59:39 GMT
superb post alqpr. superb!
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Post by scubahoop on May 14, 2012 15:03:11 GMT
Yep, well said alqpr.
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Post by beanofire on May 14, 2012 15:14:33 GMT
Couldn't have put it better, Alqpr.
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Post by alfaranger on May 14, 2012 15:19:04 GMT
Really well thought out post. Agree with that Alqpr.
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