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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 24, 2012 10:40:56 GMT
Can't believe some of the language and abuse given out on here about Barton - e.g. 'knob', 'prick', 'lunatic'. Lovely. In fact, Barton IS an intellectual compared to some of the people who post abusive and sanctimonious crap on here. Barton is an idiot who likes to think he is an 'intellectual' by constantly tweeting qoutes from real 'intellectuals'. Not nice to see some people have fallen for it. |
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Post by Lonegunmen on May 24, 2012 10:49:19 GMT
12 weeks? Give him a 38 week rest and that will save us a few reds and yellows to worry about. Nice fishing Scuba. Are you Joey, are you Joey, are you Joey in disguise? Are you Joey in disguise?
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Post by Bushman on May 24, 2012 11:53:10 GMT
QPR are facing an £11m bill to sack Joey Barton James Olley 24 May 2012 Queens Park Rangers fear it could cost them up to £11million to sack Joey Barton because the midfielder has not breached his contract despite receiving a 12-match ban. The club’s legal team are exploring whether they can terminate Barton’s current agreement after the Football Association hit him with a lengthy suspension having found him guilty of two counts of violent conduct. Barton elbowed Carlos Tevez on the final day of the season at Manchester City, for which he was hit with a four-game ban. He then kicked Sergio Aguero before attempting to headbutt Vincent Kompany and the manner of his dismissal led to him being hit with a further eight-match suspension. But Standard Sport understands it appears at this stage that there are insufficient legal grounds to sack Barton for breach of contract or gross misconduct. That would leave Rangers having to pay Barton’s £70,000-a-week contract in full. With three years left on his deal, the total figure would be just under £11m. It is thought the amount could be lowered once bonuses and other add-ons are removed. Rangers boss Mark Hughes was furious with Barton as his red card could have cost the club relegation and the lengthy ban has left him in no doubt as to the player’s future. Barton, who will not be included in the club’s 25-man squad for the 2012-13 Premier League season, is unlikely to agree any compromise in settling his contract because he feels the FA’s ban is unnecessarily harsh. The best option for all parties is if Barton is sold during the summer. However, Rangers believe there will be few clubs interested in signing the 29-year-old, given he is now unavailable until November. Barton could be forced to train with Rangers’ reserves and then be sold in the January transfer window, by which time he would be available to play. Barton’s chequered history is well-documented and the lavish contract he enjoys at Loftus Road is unlikely to be replicated elsewhere, despite him being at an age where he could reasonably expect to play at the highest level for several years were it not for all the controversy. The player’s representatives were this morning mulling over an appeal given he initially accepted kicking Aguero but denied the charge for the Kompany incident. The club are likely to hand Barton a huge fine after the FA accompanied their 12-game ban with a £75,000 punishment of their own. Hughes is also in the process of drawing up a new code of conduct for the players to adhere to in a bid to improve discipline at the club — Rangers’ nine red cards last season was the highest in the Premier League. No player received more than Barton’s 10 yellow cards. www.thisislondon.co.uk/sport/football/qpr-are-facing-an-11m-bill-to-sack-joey-barton-7785326.html |
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Post by Bushman on May 24, 2012 11:56:54 GMT
Can't believe some of the language and abuse given out on here about Barton - e.g. 'knob', 'prick', 'lunatic'. Lovely. In fact, Barton IS an intellectual compared to some of the people who post abusive and sanctimonious crap on here. Barton is a thug.  |
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Post by Macmoish on May 24, 2012 11:57:16 GMT
Mixed messages from the PFA: Taylor won't defend Barton's actions....BUT.... BBC Joey Barton ban: PFA offers support to QPR midfielder Joey Barton will be offered professional support, says Professional Footballers' Association chairman Clarke Carlisle. The QPR midfielder, 29, was handed a 12-match ban for his sending off on the final day of the Premier League season. "We as a union are there for all of our members as long as they show a willingness to address their behaviour," said Carlisle. "Should Joey want our support we most definitely will be there for him." Barton was charged with violent conduct on Wednesday after he was involved in an incident with Carlos Tevez during QPR's 3-2 defeat to Manchester City. Joey Barton's troubled career •December 2004: Stubs a lit cigar into the eye of Manchester City team-mate Jamie Tandy during club's Christmas party. •July 2005: Involved in an altercation with a 15-year-old Everton fan at City's team hotel in Bangkok. Later fined eight week's wages by City for his involvement. •September 2006: Drops his shorts in front of Everton fans following City's 1-1 draw at Goodison Park. •May 2007: Suspended for the rest of the season by City after a training-ground altercation with Ousmane Dabo. •May 2009: Playing for Newcastle, Barton is sent off against Liverpool for a late challenge on Xabi Alonso. Later suspended until further notice by his club. •November 2009: Charged with violent conduct by the FA after allegedly punching Blackburn's Morten Gamst Pedersen during a Premier League match. •August 2011: Transfer listed by Newcastle after a number of Twitter comments criticising the club. •May 2012: Now playing for QPR, Barton is dismissed for striking Manchester City's Carlos Tevez. Then involved in altercations with Sergio Aguero and Vincent Kompany. Later charged with two acts of violent conduct by the FA. He was given a four-match ban for that offence but clashes with Sergio Aguero and Vincent Kompany after he had been dismissed resulted in a further eight-match suspension. It was the latest in a number of indiscretions involving Barton. He was twice fined by former club Manchester City for stubbing a lit cigar in the eye of young team-mate Jamie Tandy at a Christmas party - and for his involvement in an altercation with a 15-year-old Everton fan at City's team hotel in Bangkok during a pre-season tour. While playing for Newcastle, Barton was charged with common assault and affray and jailed for six months. He was also banned by the Football Association in November 2010 after he punched Blackburn winger Morten Gamst Pedersen during Newcastle's 2-1 defeat at St James' Park. Though Carlisle was keen to highlight Barton's attempts to control his anger, he conceded there is still some way to go. "Joey has done some fantastic work with regards to his anger management over the years," he said. "We have seen him make great strides as a person and the way he does conduct himself 95% of the time, but when you have a reputation it is the times that you lose it that comes to the fore. "It is not Joey Barton per se that is the problem it is the actions he does when he loses control. It is something he has been working very hard to get on top of but obviously there is still work to do. "It is when Joey sees the red mist and it is these things we need to get a control of because it sets a poor example to the thousands of kids who are watching the game. "We really want our professionals to have the highest levels of respect for one and other and control themselves and their actions, both on and off the pitch. This is something we are trying to press forward into the players - a consciousness of their responsibilities." Meanwhile, Paul Finney, from the Independent Rs QPR website, believes Barton should donate some of his wages to charity to compensate for the fact he will not play for 12 games. "A 12-game ban does seem a bit harsh, but I'm not going to defend him because we have children following the club," said Finney. "One thing Joey can do to begin the healing process is donate some of his wages to charity when he's not playing." www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18186552 |
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Post by harlowranger on May 24, 2012 11:58:01 GMT
Can you imagine his tweets if he has to play in the reserves ?
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Post by FloridaR on May 24, 2012 12:35:04 GMT
The FA made the right decision.
Barton lost his head and didn't care about his QPR team or the club after 54 minutes of that crucial game ( Nico De Marco don't waste time doing appeals on behalf of Captain Pillock ).
Barton is the Shittiest Captain to have ever wore the QPR Captain armband, I can't remember
a Captain at QPR ever getting booed let alone getting so much abuse as Barton does.
The Club now need to stand up to rights and sack Barton and let him find his way before he retires. The Clubs image and ' team ' are much more important than ' Joseph Barton ' and they need to now look ahead positively to next season.
Does anyone know if Nico De Marco will be helping Joey Barton to fight QPR about his client losing his QPR contract ?
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2012 12:43:15 GMT
Can't believe some of the language and abuse given out on here about Barton - e.g. 'knob', 'prick', 'lunatic'. Lovely. In fact, Barton IS an intellectual compared to some of the people who post abusive and sanctimonious crap on here. Maybe you should use another board then I believe whatever abuse Barton has received is down to himself at the end of the day |
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Post by Macmoish on May 24, 2012 12:46:36 GMT
I don't think Barton is an intellectual (whatever that is exactly). On the other hand, he does come across (however prentiously) as more intelligent and informed than 90%+ of Footballers
The question is whether we take an 11 Million "Bath" if that's what it takes to get him out. That's a lot of money
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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 24, 2012 12:47:30 GMT
£11m is too much money for just sacking someone. Wait until his ban runs out then sell him or give him away for free to whichever mugs will take him.
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Post by FloridaR on May 24, 2012 13:20:28 GMT
If the club get stuck for 11 mill then they must be stupid, they must of taken him on with protection/clauses in the contract being the powder keg that he is.
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Post by andygg on May 24, 2012 13:28:56 GMT
Can't believe some of the language and abuse given out on here about Barton - e.g. 'knob', 'prick', 'lunatic'. Lovely. In fact, Barton IS an intellectual compared to some of the people who post abusive and sanctimonious crap on here. Ridiculous post. Barton hasnt received enough abuse yet. Still loads to come. He is also psychotic, unhinged, deluded, an arse, thick as pigsh!t, and much more. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.  |
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Post by scubahoop on May 24, 2012 13:44:22 GMT
andyg - you prove my point entirely mate.
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Post by oldman on May 24, 2012 13:51:00 GMT
I am not a defender of the actions of Barton, but the point made by scubahoop in relation to some of the language used is valid, one of the things that attracted me to this MB is the fact that there can be debate, sometimes quite passionate but generally reasonable and with some consideration given to language. Perhaps it is me but over the last few months what was the occasional use of bad language in the 'heat of the moment' is becoming more frequent and it seems accepted.
It does seem a bit ironic that in castigating the behaviour of an individual and the image of the club, abusive language is OK!
Whatever view one takes of how this issue will/should be managed, surely it can be done without resorting to that?
I have as much idea about what his contract contains in terms of what is considered as gross misconduct as everyone else including journalists - none - and as far as the value of his contract is concerned, again I read some people that say the oft quoted weekly salary is highly exaggerated, others say it is accurate, so on what basis does anyone know it will cost 'x' or 'y' pounds to buy it out?
If, for arguments sake, the sum is £11 million and the grounds do not exist to summarily dismiss him then it makes no sense whatsoever to buy out the contract. Likewise to 'punish' him by making him play out his contract in the reserves is equally pointless as no one gains, either the club or the player.
If the club receive solid legal advice that they can dismiss him without huge cost AND that is what the manager and CEO feel is appropriate then fine. If on the other hand the legal advice suggests otherwise then the sensible course is to manage the individual as best as can be done in the circumstances and by doing so either:
He learns from this crass error of judgement and performs to the level of which he is clearly capable as a footballer and more importantly in terms of attitude (the history does not look promising admittedly!) and sees out his contract
He performs adequately and there is sufficient improvement so as to attract an early transfer and without cost to QPR. People say no one will touch him, I think that given time there will be clubs that aree interested, the memories are short in professional football and if someone is playing well enough and can be acquired with little or know cost in terms of a transfer fee there will be takers. If Barton got back in the team in December and performed to a high standard and there are teams struggling come the January transfer window, I do not see it as impossible that he would attract interest.
Again stresssing the fact that I am not a fan of this player but from an objective point of view I do think that the punishment he has received in the context of far worse incidents of real violence (the Ben Thatcher tackle, Di Canio vs referee and so on) and numerous brawls involving several players that happen every season is overly harsh.
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Post by andygg on May 24, 2012 13:51:23 GMT
andyg - you prove my point entirely mate. What are you talking about? When have you seen me stubbing out a cigar on someones eye, or beating the crap out of another bloke, and causing mayhem at a football match? Dont try to compare me with sh!t for brains Barton. He deserves all the abuse he gets. |
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Post by hotanalyst on May 24, 2012 13:53:00 GMT
I reiterate my previous post... "I am constantly amazed at how difficult it is to sack a professional football player. Assaulting other players, whether on the pitch, in training or at a staff party, is a clear case of gross misconduct. In any other industry or workplace, gross misconduct results in automatic dismissal. Yet football players seem able to conduct themselves in such a manner and then march into tribunals with their lawyers and the PFA and retain their employment. With the clubs tip-toeing around the situation rather than acting decisively. It would be truly outrageous if he were paid the balance £12.48 million of his contract to go. As well as punch a hole in the finances of our club!" Unbelievable! Read more: qprreport.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=31408&page=15#ixzz1vnLgzeK7 |
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Post by bowranger on May 24, 2012 14:05:25 GMT
I reiterate my previous post... "I am constantly amazed at how difficult it is to sack a professional football player. Assaulting other players, whether on the pitch, in training or at a staff party, is a clear case of gross misconduct. In any other industry or workplace, gross misconduct results in automatic dismissal. Yet football players seem able to conduct themselves in such a manner and then march into tribunals with their lawyers and the PFA and retain their employment. With the clubs tip-toeing around the situation rather than acting decisively. It would be truly outrageous if he were paid the balance £12.48 million of his contract to go. As well as punch a hole in the finances of our club!" Unbelievable! Read more: qprreport.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=31408&page=15#ixzz1vnLgzeK7The comparison not just in terms of pay but in terms of behaviour that is deemed acceptable in football compared to other professions is unbelievable (Clive's last piece on the termination of some of the Paladini-inspired signings speaks volumes in that respect). Appreciate there are some differences, pressure etc. but it is still absolutely ridiculous how hard it is to shift a player who doesn't perform or who misbehaves - though I always find it amazing the lack of pride and respect some footballers have in standing by their contracts sometimes. I know they've got to make a living, but behaving so badly and still picking up your cheque feels weird to me. On the suspensions I found myself agreeing with Savage ( ) on the beeb and 'oldman' on here. Not defending him but think the suspension is disproportionate, from a (mostly) objective point of view. Compared to some of the stuff that has happened in the past, don't see how 12 matches stacks up to them. Plus it seems that 2 of the game bans seems to be due to the aggrevating nature of it all happening in such a big game, which is a bollox argument to me. Not defending the bloke, I don't have the kind of bile for him a lot of people do, but think he's a massive liability and it's time for him to go if we can find an economical way of doing it. |
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Post by Macmoish on May 24, 2012 14:08:29 GMT
Suppose Mr. Rooney had done EXACTLY what Joe Barton did (before and after getting the Red) - and then tweeted about it as Joey did.
I don't think Rooney would have gotten TWELVES games suspended.
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Post by FloridaR on May 24, 2012 14:12:16 GMT
How many times has Barton been sent off this season ?
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Post by FloridaR on May 24, 2012 14:13:15 GMT
Another thing are the FA really helping Joey from not getting assault charges ?
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Post by bowranger on May 24, 2012 14:15:24 GMT
Another thing are the FA really helping Joey from not getting assault charges ? Been sent off twice. And how do you mean - as in, if the FA give him a big punishment he is less likely to face an assault charge? He'd only get that if Tevez made a complaint to the cops. Frankly, if Chris Morgan isn't in jail for GBH, I don't think Joey will be going near another assault charge (for this incident I mean, who knows what could happen off the pitch haha..). |
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Post by gramps on May 24, 2012 14:36:49 GMT
As stated, I may be thick but to be eligible to play in an English League he must surely be one of the 25 selected as such which means one of your 25 players is not available for 12 games. Correct. Next time he is an English teams 25 man squad he will have to sit out the ban I think. So, as I was saying, the club will be penalised by only having, in effect, a squad of 24 players for a third of the season. So JB has not only let himself down but he has also let down his colleagues and the management team. |
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Post by bowranger on May 24, 2012 15:01:41 GMT
Correct. Next time he is an English teams 25 man squad he will have to sit out the ban I think. So, as I was saying, the club will be penalised by only having, in effect, a squad of 24 players for a third of the season. So JB has not only let himself down but he has also let down his colleagues and the management team. True. Problem for the board is, has he let the club down enough to spend circa 11 million quid in getting rid of him. If he had any professional pride, he'd tear up his contract. |
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Post by hitman34 on May 24, 2012 15:24:31 GMT
does the twelve game ban include cup ties? hope so.
great player and im sure he will get his head right come october.
furlain will be good cover till jb gets back.
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Post by gramps on May 24, 2012 16:29:33 GMT
So, as I was saying, the club will be penalised by only having, in effect, a squad of 24 players for a third of the season. So JB has not only let himself down but he has also let down his colleagues and the management team. True. Problem for the board is, has he let the club down enough to spend circa 11 million quid in getting rid of him. If he had any professional pride, he'd tear up his contract. No, that won't happen. He would need to have a conscience to do that and that is something he does not possess. |
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Post by gramps on May 24, 2012 16:30:12 GMT
furlain will be good cover till jb gets back. Yeah, right! |
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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 24, 2012 16:42:00 GMT
does the twelve game ban include cup ties? hope so. great player and im sure he will get his head right come october. furlain will be good cover till jb gets back. When Barton comes back (If Barton comes back) he won't have a place in the team. Hughes doesn't want him, he was going to get rid of him anyway. Faurlin and Diakite are both miles better than Barton could ever be. |
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Post by alfaranger on May 24, 2012 17:01:35 GMT
does the twelve game ban include cup ties? hope so. great player and im sure he will get his head right come october. furlain will be good cover till jb gets back. When Barton comes back (If Barton comes back) he won't have a place in the team. Hughes doesn't want him, he was going to get rid of him anyway. Faurlin and Diakite are both miles better than Barton could ever be. Thats a good point Rory. It doesnt really matter does it... and I mean that, it doesnt matter. Whatever Joey adds to the team he takes away again by being like he is and placing the whole club in danger, and it was danger ---- a different result, ----!!! At the minute its little more than a talking point with no real impact until next season when he cant play. But why not Faurlin and Diakte, why do we need an 'ok' player whos a liability? |
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Post by klr on May 24, 2012 17:09:11 GMT
Have to say the club have handled him incredibly badly as well, although having said that, hopefully they have given him enough rope to hang himself in terms of being sacked.
A lot of us on here diagnosed a severe personalitty disorder on here many months ago, I personally think he has got something related to Narcissistic Personality Disorder........
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Post by klr on May 24, 2012 17:11:15 GMT
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