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Post by saphilip on Jan 15, 2012 15:42:48 GMT
Well if TF thought that all he had to do was replace the coach and that all our problems would be solved then I think he has a lot of thinking and tweeting to do tonight. Getting rid of NW and replacing him with MH was never going to be the solution and it must have been painfully obvious to all today where our problem lies - on the pitch.
I am not knocking the guys as I think on the whole they are doing their best and it would be unfair to say that they were bad today because they weren't, but the painful truth is that we are simply not good enough. We can't score, we can't defend and without a couple of playmakers in the team we are totally and utterly stuffed.
No I didn't expect a win today and as I say I can hardly fault the team today but they huffed and puffed, offered some threats at the beginning and then ended up chasing shadows for the rest of the game. Newcastle played badly today but truth be said they never had to move away from 1st gear today - to be brutally blunt they played to our level and still prevailed.
So what does TF do? Spend I hear everybody say - and yes we need a striker, a couple of defenders and a playmaker. But firstly will they come to us and secondly whathappens iof we get these guys and we still go down? In short does TF gamble on us staying up and spend a lot or does he allow some of the kitty to be opened but not all of it and prepare life in the Champiosnhip next season - in which case, why did he replace the coach?
I think this week will give us the answers of our future for the rest of this season and make no mistake - next weekend's game to Wigan is life and death for us. Win that we and may still have a chance - but lose it then all bets are off and I think the spending will be over for the season.
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Post by NZ Ranger on Jan 15, 2012 15:45:30 GMT
Yeah I have to agree. Game v Wigan is not only a 6 pointer but will dictate how the rest of the January window will serve us. The build up to this match is going to kill me. Aaaarrrrgh!
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jan 15, 2012 15:46:58 GMT
You've just written Mark Hughes off after one game, a game that we bossed and kept a team that thrashed Man Utd 3-0 down to one shot.
Did you really expect anything different?? We had 4 of our most important players out and I'm very confident that we would have won that game should they have played.
Give him time to bring his players in and then judge him. Now is not the time.
Tony has nothing to explain tonight.
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Post by hitman34 on Jan 15, 2012 15:48:31 GMT
if we draw or lose to wigan then i will agree with you but you cant be expecting us to be taking points from teams in the top
if we draw or lose to teams around us in the table like warnock has done then i will agree with you but we played a team in the top 6 today. wait till next sat.
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Post by hitman34 on Jan 15, 2012 15:50:08 GMT
16 shots on goal away from home to a top 6 team. we were bloody good if you ask me.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jan 15, 2012 15:50:45 GMT
And let's be honest here, NUFC will be pushing for Champions League in a few season so that wasn't a bad loss in any way.
We seem to panic after every loss but we don't need to panic after this one.
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Post by NZ Ranger on Jan 15, 2012 15:53:17 GMT
Just to clarify, I don't think TF has made a rash decision in changing managers, but I do agree with the importance of the Wigan game not only from a competition points perspective but also with attracting decent players this window.
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Post by harlowranger on Jan 15, 2012 15:55:03 GMT
TF is not stupid , he knows its not the real answer , he probabl only replaced to get some better quality in the window , i dont blame him fully for the change , Neils also to blame as were the players. I didnt dream we would get anything from that game , absolute nonsense to think you would!  No Taarabt , Barton , Faurlin and Traore we think its Hughes fault , my deary me ! Who knows what the score would have been if NW was in charge mybe a win , more likely a thumping i dont want to compare them , i just want to support the Man in charge . |
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Post by klr on Jan 15, 2012 15:55:22 GMT
16 shots on goal away from home to a top 6 team. we were bloody good if you ask me. We werent "bloody good" though were we ? Newcastle blatantly didnt turn up & still won. That was / is the first time this season that I'll say this, that was a relegation performance from us & no mistaking. |
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Post by harlowranger on Jan 15, 2012 15:58:23 GMT
Add when you think the way we played at Liverpool with all those players available for that game , it was a dull ,sort of scared performance , not like todays at least we gave it a go.
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Post by saphilip on Jan 15, 2012 16:01:21 GMT
Hey Rory please re-read my post - at no stage have I written off Mark Hughes - NOWHERE. What I have said is that the problem is on the pitch and who is playing for us. Changing the coach but not replacing the team is akin to moving deck chairs on the Titanic (or that Italian liner off the Italian coast). We are sinking okay - or do you not get that?  The team is NOT GOOD enough for the Premiership and we need a serious injection of funds and new players at QPR. Without that then it doesn't matter what MH does. But the question is how far is TF going to gamble with the spending and with just 2 weeks to go have we left it too late? So no I have not written off MH at all - but he sure has a major challenge on his hands and in many cases what happens for the rest of this season is dependent on what TF is going to do this week - rather than what Mark does. Hitman - well the truth is that if we don't get some points off some of the big guys from now onwards then we will go down - as simple as that as we don't have enough points on board. Look at our final set of matches. If we aren't safe then then we have to get points off the big guns - whether we expect to or not. And to be honest Newcastle were utterly poor today and would have been beaten by a better team. Then again they didn't have to be very good today - mediocre was more than enough for them today. |
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Post by hitman34 on Jan 15, 2012 16:03:02 GMT
and that is your opinion (warnock tinted glasses on me thinks)
cant believe we did not play good. hit the bar, hit the post along with the other 12 13 shots on goal, defence was solid. tactics were spot on with newcastles only shot on target that seperates the too teams. along with playing in front of 52000 geordies, i feel we done bloody good and a marked improvent over previous toothless preformances away to wigan, liverpool,man u.
you r,ssssssssssss
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Post by saphilip on Jan 15, 2012 16:04:55 GMT
Totally agree KLR - we played okay, Newcastle played badly and we still lost. That's what worried me about today's performance - that we couldn't even beat a team that couldn't be bothered.
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Post by Hogan on Jan 15, 2012 16:05:05 GMT
The decision has already been made, a new man has been appointed and certain funds promised. There is no way the promised funds will not be provided regardless of next weeks results, the key to the whole transfer thing is, will MH get the players he wants. The season still has a long way to run.
We saw a much grittier performance today, the defence was better organised and we didn't get thumped even though key players were missing. The lack of a creative spark was glaringly obvious, sadly Akos really doesn't look like he has recovered from his injuries.
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Post by harlowranger on Jan 15, 2012 16:06:10 GMT
(Well if TF thought that all he had to do was replace the coach and that all our problems would be solved then I think he has a lot of thinking and tweeting to do tonight. Getting rid of NW and replacing him with MH was never going to be the solution ?) Well how do we now this yet anyway he has only had 90 mins with a third of the Players missing ? Just feel we dont need to be putting these statements out there just yet ? Lets see what MH has achieved after have played Bolton and then say this maybe ,that would be my view . |
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jan 15, 2012 16:07:00 GMT
(Well if TF thought that all he had to do was replace the coach and that all our problems would be solved then I think he has a lot of thinking and tweeting to do tonight. Getting rid of NW and replacing him with MH was never going to be the solution ?) Well how do we now this yet anyway he has only had 90 mins with a third of the Players missing ? Just feel we dont need to be putting these statements out there just yet ? Lets see what MH has achieved after have played Bolton and then say this maybe ,that would be my view . Spot on. |
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Post by hitman34 on Jan 15, 2012 16:07:33 GMT
that was at klr,
philip, we were unlucky not to get all 3 today but we could have easly got a point.
agree with you abot next sat, thats the big one. forget about defenders as we are being held to ransom by blackburn and chelsea, our defence today was solid so we need a striker and two center mids as derry and buzz cant hack it.
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Post by saphilip on Jan 15, 2012 16:09:16 GMT
Hitman - GFY okay?
It has nohing to do with Warnock or Hughes but rather what I saw on show today (yes we do get plenty of football games down here). My point is that Hughes has a huge challenge on his hands and he needs all the support he can get from TF - or were you happy with what you saw today?
After reading all your posts I would have to say that if we had played like that under Warnock you would have crucified the guy today - but because it is Hughes ....
PS - your name isn't Steve by any chance?
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Post by hitman34 on Jan 15, 2012 16:12:11 GMT
we played alot worse under warnock trust me... you only have to look at todays stats compared with any game under warnock away from home this season. its all about tactical ability.
i will put down "GFY" ON THE LIST OF EXCEPTABLE THINGS TO SAY TO PEOPLE ON THIS WEBSITE.
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Post by saphilip on Jan 15, 2012 16:19:43 GMT
Okay everybody - let me explain again as it is clear that my South African English has not been understood at all.
I have not knocked Mark Hughes at all. I think he is now fully aware of the challenge that he now faces (if he wasn't before) and it is now up to TF to decide how he is going to support him and how much he is going to allow MH to spend.
Without that support then we are going to go down no matter what MH does, because the team is NOT GOOD ENOUGH (or am I allowed to say that?)
At no stage have I knocked MH and it would be totally bloody crazy of me to knock him after just one game - when you consider that he only took over on Wednesday.
It has nothing to do with whether I preferred NW or MH either - what has happened has happened.
Do you all understand that now?
Let me repeat I have not knocked MH as a coach - so please do not put words into my mouth and make out that I am the biggest clown in the world who writes off people after just one game.
As for the team that is a totally different matter. What I saw today was ateam that is going to be relegated if we continue as is - and I think it has left plenty of food for thought for TF who has to make some very big decisions in the next few days.
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Post by eusebio13 on Jan 15, 2012 16:20:39 GMT
Add when you think the way we played at Liverpool with all those players available for that game , it was a dull ,sort of scared performance , not like todays at least we gave it a go. Not sure you'd expect anything else H...even for a caretaker...plus was that team any different to what we think NW would have picked? I think SA is just saying this is going to be about strengthening the squad not a tactical masterstroke. |
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Post by superckat on Jan 15, 2012 16:24:41 GMT
Hitman - GFY okay? It has nohing to do with Warnock or Hughes but rather what I saw on show today (yes we do get plenty of football games down here). My point is that Hughes has a huge challenge on his hands and he needs all the support he can get from TF - or were you happy with what you saw today? After reading all your posts I would have to say that if we had played like that under Warnock you would have crucified the guy today - but because it is Hughes .... PS - your name isn't Steve by any chance? If GFY means what I think it means you're out of order. Not seen Hitman say anything to you that's deserved that comment. We dont have to agree with each other but show a bit of respect. |
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Post by eusebio13 on Jan 15, 2012 16:24:54 GMT
that was at klr, philip, we were unlucky not to get all 3 today but we could have easly got a point. agree with you abot next sat, thats the big one. forget about defenders as we are being held to ransom by blackburn and chelsea, our defence today was solid so we need a striker and two center mids as derry and buzz cant hack it. just like the WBA game really...actually we played much better in that game than today but finishing was a problem in both...no matter what tint your glasses are....don't worry we'll all give Hughes our full backing (probably long after you start calling for his head) |
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Post by saphilip on Jan 15, 2012 16:29:47 GMT
Eusebio - he made a comment about me wearing Warnock tinted glasses and felt that was totally out of order, as my initial post (as you have rightly pointed out) had nothing to do with the coach and everything to do with a squad that is not good enough for this campaign - and what TF is going to need to do.
I do apologise to all parties though for that comment.
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Post by blockhead on Jan 15, 2012 16:30:15 GMT
Well I was very disappointed, not with Huhges, but the team, I am suprised that we have won any games at all.
I am thinking we need nearer to 9 players to effect any positive change at all, and that aint gonna happen.
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Post by jjqpr on Jan 15, 2012 16:30:17 GMT
Newcastle were shocking today, very poor, but not because of us. Any other team in the bottom would have beaten them today, it shows just how poor we are imho. Hughes better buy, and very fast, wigan would have thrashed us today.
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Post by eusebio13 on Jan 15, 2012 16:31:32 GMT
Eusebio - he made a comment about me wearing Warnock tinted glasses and felt that was totally out of order, as my initial post (as you have rightly pointed out) had nothing to do with the coach and everything to do with a squad that is not good enough for this campaign - and what TF is going to need to do. I do apologise to all parties though for that comment. It was a good post saphilip.....but we do need to be respectful of these MK~Dons supporters you know |
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Post by sharky on Jan 15, 2012 16:33:22 GMT
Hughes has never lost his first game as manager until today.
We played better but still lost. Sounds like what NW used to say but it's true.
Our next two games will really tell us where we are. If we loose to MK Dons and Wigan we will struggle to survive. On the other hand if we win both we will be set up for survival. An interesting week coming up.
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Post by eusebio13 on Jan 15, 2012 16:35:35 GMT
Don't really care about MK Dons (as much as I'd like a cup run)...Wigan is HUGE
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Post by Markqpr on Jan 15, 2012 16:36:46 GMT
we played alot worse under warnock trust me... you only have to look at todays stats compared with any game under warnock away from home this season. its all about tactical ability. i will put down "GFY" ON THE LIST OF EXCEPTABLE THINGS TO SAY TO PEOPLE ON THIS WEBSITE. Two things: 1. No that is not acceptable, but please give us a chance to moderate it before crying and jumping to the wrong conclusion. 2. The word is acceptable. So whilst there is no point putting GFY on your list* as saphilip has now apologised for his rash use of capital letters, you can put dumbass on there and be proud of yourself for being the reason for the probably now frequent use of it. *what are you going to do with that list, by the way? Send it to the internet police or your local MP?  |
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