delusional fools

[qprdjb]

What ever the outcome, the board need to act and act fast!! Either give warnock the dreaded vote of confidence or change the management team sharpish

[nomar]

Jan 7, 2012 19:25:57 GMT qprdjb said:

What ever the outcome, the board need to act and act fast!! Either give warnock the dreaded vote of confidence or change the management team sharpish

Agree they need to act fast.

I genuinely believe that TF knows that too.

Going to be a very interesting week.

[Doudou]

To start of with, I am against sacking NW. I think there are four issues, some of which were already flagged on this thread, some not:

(1) What would be the alternative? Don't want to end up with Zola or Grant. And those are the realistic ones we would be looking at. Would they give us a better chance staying up than NW? No.

(2) Does he still have the support of the dressing room? Yes. I think he still has the support at the moment. If it wouldn't be the case I agree that it would be difficult with the current results. But the guys are still behind him.

(3) If we go down, who would give us the biggest chance of going back up? Don't think for a minute that loyal Mark Hughes will stick around in the Championship. NW would be our best chance then as well.

(4) We are realistically aiming for 17th place. That is where we are at the moment. I know it ain't pretty, but that was the objective at the start of the season. Would be better if we were 10th, but hey we are not bottom either. If we are there at the end of the season, I am happy.

For these reasons I feel we should stick with NW. Call me delusional, but hey, that is where I am.

[hitman34]

the alternative is not gonna do anymore damage than what is happening now. we are down and out, warnock has obviously lost the dressing room, the owner appers to be losing confidence. and after that pittyful preformance today, his frigging tactics ARE NOT WORKING!

and to all those who think we need warnock for next season..... he wont be at the club next season end of. the chairman wont keep him and he himself said he wont be managing in the championship again.

[qprdjb]

Jan 7, 2012 19:29:44 GMT Doudou said:

To start of with, I am against sacking NW. I think there are four issues, some of which were already flagged on this thread, some not:


(3) If we go down, who would give us the biggest chance of going back up? Don't think for a minute that loyal Mark Hughes will stick around in the Championship. NW would be our best chance then as well.

Did you even think before you wrote this? So we get relegated, then NW gets us promoted then we get relegated and then..........

[maudesfishnchips]

Jan 7, 2012 19:33:50 GMT hitman34 said:

the alternative is not gonna do anymore damage than what is happening now. we are down and out, warnock has obviously lost the dressing room, the owner appers to be losing confidence. and after that pittyful preformance today, his frigging tactics ARE NOT WORKING!

and to all those who think we need warnock for next season..... he wont be at the club next season end of. the chairman wont keep him and he himself said he wont be managing in the championship again.

i know who you are now!

[RoryTheRanger]

Jan 7, 2012 20:13:06 GMT @maudesfishnchips said:

Jan 7, 2012 19:33:50 GMT hitman34 said:

the alternative is not gonna do anymore damage than what is happening now. we are down and out, warnock has obviously lost the dressing room, the owner appers to be losing confidence. and after that pittyful preformance today, his frigging tactics ARE NOT WORKING!

and to all those who think we need warnock for next season..... he wont be at the club next season end of. the chairman wont keep him and he himself said he wont be managing in the championship again.

i know who you are now!

Not a QPR fan??

[eusebio13]

Jan 7, 2012 17:58:12 GMT @harlowranger said:

Curbishley kept an average team up for 7 years in the Prem .
514 games with a win % of nearly 40%
71 games at WHU with over 40% win percent .
Always gets overlooked but one of the best English Managers we could get.

Harlow how many season did it take to get Charlton into the Prem, 6 or 7 plus what happened at the end of his first season in the Prem...yes that's right they were relegated....if anything Curbs is an example of why patience is a good idea

[hitman34]

bet curle is celebrating that draw with a bottle of jd

[geoff65]

hitman, not sure where you are coming from? Read a lot of your posts and I'm not convinced you are even an R's fan!!

[Sabas]

I like hard liquor too. A lot.

And I used to like Warnock. The only problem I have with him now is that he's turning into a Sheffield United Warnock.

Last season there was no bullsh|t from him about managing England, Redknapp, red cards, thick players, etc etc. He's losing it.

Well, at least, he is losing. And he wants to change that... by bringing some more players! Why so desperate all of a sudden? He desperately wants some new faces for the Newcastle game. And we almost won against Newcastle with the players that we have right now.

If that means he lost the confidence in himself and this current squad completely... he should just choose to go himself. It's not an easy job; if you don't believe you can do it, no need to prolong the agony.

If he could just say: I'm confident we can stay up with THIS squad, just need a few more.
But perhaps, he honestly no longer can.

He didn't stay up with Sheffiled United players - the ones that he couldn't choose or replace.
Now he's got the players he wants. But now it seems that they aren't what he really wants anymore... It's confusing. And confusing's not good.

[Macmoish]

I remember us axing Alec Stock...We ended up with worse....AND a couple years later, Luton under Stock were doing better than QPR

We axed Holloway and got Waddock

I can't even remember without difficulty who replaced who under Briatore!

Sexton left (voluntarily) and we got Sibley

Venables left (voluntarily) and next up was Mullery

Jim Smith left (semi voluntarily) and we got Trevor Francis

Gerry Francis left (semi-voluntarily!) and we got Wilkins


Many, many clubs have replaced their manager. And gotten far, far, far worse appointments.

[desorchid]

I note the title of the thread.


I have obviously been living in a parallel universe for the past thirty years. In this universe Rangers are obviously a club who get 50,000 every week in a shiny new stadium and have regularly competed in Europe and won many league titles and FA cups.

Sad to tell, in the universe I have teleported from this is not the case. You may find this hard to believe but where I come from we’re in a run down, out of date ground that a League 1 club would be ashamed of. We haven’t won a FA cup game since I was in my 20’s and we have spent most of the past 20 years living far beyond our means financially. Oh, and you won’t believe how many managers we’ve had in the past few years, despite the incontrovertible evidence that this has damaged the club.

To be serious, I think some posters are a little behind in their reading of the Rangers history books:

17th would be a brilliant achievement.

We’ve always been rubbish in the FA Cup*

Sacking managers is generally a bad idea and doesn’t bring success.

If you think that the Premiership is ‘the norm’ for us, you are supporting the wrong football club. ‘The norm’ is the third tier. Enjoy the fact we’re not in it because it is inevitable that we will be back there at some point.


*Ok - I enjoyed 1982, and 1990. And we should have done much better (won it?) in 1975.

[cowleyhoop]

I don't see how the size of the club has anything to do with the performance of the team thats down to lack of ability poor leadership on and off the pitch. My worry with warnock is how he left our 1 player

[maudesfishnchips]

Jan 7, 2012 21:16:59 GMT desorchid said:

I note the title of the thread.


I have obviously been living in a parallel universe for the past thirty years. In this universe Rangers are obviously a club who get 50,000 every week in a shiny new stadium and have regularly competed in Europe and won many league titles and FA cups.

Sad to tell, in the universe I have teleported from this is not the case. You may find this hard to believe but where I come from we’re in a run down, out of date ground that a League 1 club would be ashamed of. We haven’t won a FA cup game since I was in my 20’s and we have spent most of the past 20 years living far beyond our means financially. Oh, and you won’t believe how many managers we’ve had in the past few years, despite the incontrovertible evidence that this has damaged the club.

To be serious, I think some posters are a little behind in their reading of the Rangers history books:

17th would be a brilliant achievement.

We’ve always been rubbish in the FA Cup*

Sacking managers is generally a bad idea and doesn’t bring success.

If you think that the Premiership is ‘the norm’ for us, you are supporting the wrong football club. ‘The norm’ is the third tier. Enjoy the fact we’re not in it because it is inevitable that we will be back there at some point.


*Ok - I enjoyed 1982, and 1990. And we should have done much better (won it?) in 1975.

thanks des, great post

[cowleyhoop]

sorry about that as i was saying he left our most creative player to rot while we toiled only bringing him back when he got desparate. I have to admit im not adels biggest fan but WTF was that all about and why play mackie on the right leaving SWP to struggle on the left

[Jon Doeman]

Jan 7, 2012 21:12:09 GMT Macmoish said:

I remember us axing Alec Stock...We ended up with worse....AND a couple years later, Luton under Stock were doing better than QPR

We axed Holloway and got Waddock

I can't even remember without difficulty who replaced who under Briatore!

Sexton left (voluntarily) and we got Sibley

Venables left (voluntarily) and next up was Mullery

Jim Smith left (semi voluntarily) and we got Trevor Francis

Gerry Francis left (semi-voluntarily!) and we got Wilkins


Many, many clubs have replaced their manager. And gotten far, far, far worse appointments.

Exactly, and there's also the stat that no club Warnock has left has been improved by it. Look at L1 Blades.

The grass is not always greener.

[Macmoish]

The "Delusional" Warnock-not-QPR supporters - even the ones in favor of keeping him - fully admit some strange decisions/actions by Warnock!

[desorchid]

Jan 7, 2012 21:33:42 GMT cowleyhoop said:

I don't see how the size of the club has anything to do with the performance of the team thats down to lack of ability poor leadership on and off the pitch. My worry with warnock is how he left our 1 player

I wasn't excusing todays performance to be fair, 1 each in todays game is very poor - but I think pinning that on Warnock is not on. The players must take some responsibility and our record in this competition over 4 decades under managers of varying popularity and ability has been appalling.

[andygg]

desorchids post is spot on, well said.

The people who are delusional are the ones who say "sack Warnock" but even if there was a better manager available right now, which I doubt, why would they want to come to Qpr? there are bigger clubs around for the better manager.

I dont want to see Warnock sacked before the end of the season at the very least, he must be given a chance.

[eusebio13]

Jan 7, 2012 20:28:28 GMT eusebio13 said:

Jan 7, 2012 17:58:12 GMT @harlowranger said:

Curbishley kept an average team up for 7 years in the Prem .
514 games with a win % of nearly 40%
71 games at WHU with over 40% win percent .
Always gets overlooked but one of the best English Managers we could get.

Harlow how many season did it take to get Charlton into the Prem, 6 or 7 plus what happened at the end of his first season in the Prem...yes that's right they were relegated....if anything Curbs is an example of why patience is a good idea

Also the first year after Charlton got rid of Curbs they got relegated

[harlowranger]

Jan 7, 2012 20:28:28 GMT eusebio13 said:

Jan 7, 2012 17:58:12 GMT @harlowranger said:

Curbishley kept an average team up for 7 years in the Prem .
514 games with a win % of nearly 40%
71 games at WHU with over 40% win percent .
Always gets overlooked but one of the best English Managers we could get.

Harlow how many season did it take to get Charlton into the Prem, 6 or 7 plus what happened at the end of his first season in the Prem...yes that's right they were relegated....if anything Curbs is an example of why patience is a good idea

Not saying make a change yet but do you recognise what he achieved !
Yes he got them up , they were relegated and Charlton stuck with him whilst he kept them .
Got them up thru playoffs 97-98
1998-1999 Rele from Prem
1999-2000 won champs 91 pts
2000-2001 9th in prem
2001-02 14th in prem
2002-03 12th in prem
2003-04 7th in Prem
2004-05 11th in Prem
2005-06 13th in Prem

What you think that looks bad , he didnt have that much financial backing to start 6 straight years in the Prem a win percentage of 40% almost , todate compared to NW record in the prem no comparison Eus !
I would take those positions , he left they fell down 2 divisions.


[edit] Charlton AthleticWhen Lennie Lawrence left in July 1991, Curbishley became joint manager of the club with Steve Gritt, taking sole command from June 1995 and masterminding the revival of the club's fortunes with two promotions and consolidation into the Premier League.[9]

Under Alan Curbishley Charlton won promotion, via the play-offs in 1997–98 after a thrilling play-off final against Sunderland at Wembley. The match ended in a 4–4 draw with Charlton winning 7–6 on penalty kicks, to take their place in the Premiership for 1998–99. Charlton had a good first month of the season with a 5–0 home win over Southampton and credible 0–0 draws away to Newcastle United and Arsenal respectively, which saw Alan Curbishley win Manager of the Month for August. However, after victory over Nottingham Forest, in the first game of October, Charlton won just one more game (against West Ham 4–2), before a dreadful run that yielded only three points from 13 games, including eight consecutive defeats, by February 1999. Charlton then won three in a row against Wimbledon, Liverpool and Derby, and Curbishley was again Manager of the Month, but the damage was already done. From 16th Charlton won just two more games before the end of the season. The double was completed over the Hammers and Aston Villa were beaten 4–3, leaving the Addicks needing a last-day victory over Sheffield Wednesday while hoping that Southampton failed against Everton. Charlton lost and Southampton won so it was back to Division One.

The club resisted the knee-jerk reaction to relegation by sacking their manager, and keeping that continuity proved an investment that paid dividends. With the prolific Andy Hunt netting 24 league goals, aided by Clive Mendonca on 9, John Robinson and Graham Stuart on 7 and Richard Rufus on 6, Charlton stormed to the First Division championship winning 27 of their 46 league games to take the title with 91 points, two points ahead of Manchester City. Then, as if quashing any doubts about their title-winning form, Charlton thumped City 4–0 on the opening day of the Premiership.

Charlton didn't have a prolific scorer in 2000–01 and again the goals were more widespread among the team. Jonatan Johansson finished top scorer with 11 league goals, and Shaun Bartlett, Claus Jensen, Graham Stuart and Mathias Svensson all hit five each. A couple of useful unbeaten runs kept Charlton around mid-table position, although they were fifth in September after beating Newcastle. The best sequence nine games unbeaten, came between the last game of 2000, when the league double was completed over Manchester City, 4–1, and a goalless draw with Middlesbrough that left the Addicks in eighth place. Eventually Charlton finished the campaign in a convincing ninth place – some highlights included a 3–3 draw at home to Manchester United and wins at home against Chelsea and Arsenal.

The following season was similar in that the team reached as high as eighth at the turn of the year, but no wins in the final eight games brought them perilously close to the drop. In the end though, three draws from the last four games ensured safety in 14th place. Ably assisted by Keith Peacock and Mervyn Day, Alan Curbishley built a sound squad capable of holding its own in the elite league with a good balance of experience and youth, with Chris Bart-Williams, Chris Powell and Graham Stuart alongside up and coming youngsters Scott Parker and Luke Young. It looked as if the team might make a real impact and five successive wins in early 2003 elevated the side to sixth, although defeat by Arsenal started a run of eight defeats in the last 10 games for a 12th place finish.

Charlton did so well in 2003–04 that they even threatened to claim a Champions League slot for a large part of the campaign, this eventually resulted in a 7th place finish by the end of the season. Curbishley continued to mastermind their consolidation over the next two seasons with 11th and 13th place finishes. During the 2005–06 season he also celebrated his 600th game in charge of the team with a 1–0 victory at one of his old clubs, Birmingham, in September 2005.[10] Darren Bent scored the goal.

Curbishley was named by the media as amongst the favourites to succeed Sven-Göran Eriksson when it was announced in January 2006 that Eriksson would step down as England manager after the 2006 FIFA World Cup.[11] Several British Sunday newspapers reported in March 2006 that Curbishley had been interviewed for the job of England manager by the Football Association. The post however eventually went to Steve McClaren.[12]

Richard Murray, chairman of Charlton Athletic, announced in April 2006 that Curbishley would leave the club at the end of the 2005/06 season.[9] Curbishley denied that this had anything to do with being interviewed for the England manager post[9] and speculation that this was so later proven false when Steve McClaren was announced as England's head coach. Curbishley managed his final game as manager of Charlton away to Manchester United on 7 May 2006, which Charlton lost 4–0. Overall, he managed 729 games for the Addicks, just one fewer than the record held by Jimmy Seed.

After Curbishley's departure, Charlton suffered two relegations in three years.[13][14]

[edit] West Ham UnitedAfter a short spell away from the game, which was augmented by work as a television pundit, Curbishley returned to management in December 2006 when he was appointed as manager of West Ham United.[15] After looking certain for relegation, Curbishley led West Ham to seven wins out of their last nine games, beating Blackburn Rovers, Everton, Bolton Wanderers, Wigan Athletic, Arsenal, Middlesbrough and a 1–0 win at Manchester United on the last day of the season, to keep West Ham in the Premier League.[16] The 2007–08 Premier League season was relatively successful for Curbishley, as he led the club to a top ten finish despite long-term injuries to many of the key signings he had made that summer, including Scott Parker, Craig Bellamy, Kieron Dyer and Julien Faubert. Before the start of the 2008–09 Premier League season, there was ever increasing speculation about his future at the club.[17]

Despite the club taking six points from their first three games, he was unhappy with the club's transfer policy after key players Anton Ferdinand and George McCartney were sold without his permission,[18] a claim denied by the West Ham United board of directors,[19] and he resigned his post on 2 September 2008.[18] Since leaving West Ham he has resurrected his TV career despite being linked with several high profile managerial positions.[20][21]

On 3 November 2009, Curbishley won his case for constructive dismissal against West Ham United. After the ruling, he said: "I am obviously delighted with this result. I very much enjoyed my time at West Ham and never wanted to leave, but on joining the club I insisted that my contract contained a clause confirming that I would have final say on the selection of players to be transferred to and from the club."[22] West Ham paid him £2.2 million in compensation.[23]

[Macmoish]

Curbishley was great at Charlton.
I think he was less great at West Ham.

I think he was the manager for us 15 years ago. Not today.
And if Warnock is AXED, i'd be very disappointed in a Curbishley appointment

[eusebio13]

Jan 7, 2012 22:36:54 GMT @harlowranger said:

Jan 7, 2012 20:28:28 GMT eusebio13 said:

Harlow how many season did it take to get Charlton into the Prem, 6 or 7 plus what happened at the end of his first season in the Prem...yes that's right they were relegated....if anything Curbs is an example of why patience is a good idea

Not saying make a change yet but do you recognise what he achieved !
Yes he got them up , they were relegated and Charlton stuck with him whilst he kept them .
Got them up thru playoffs 97-98
1998-1999 Rele from Prem
1999-2000 won champs 91 pts
2000-2001 9th in prem
2001-02 14th in prem
2002-03 12th in prem
2003-04 7th in Prem
2004-05 11th in Prem
2005-06 13th in Prem

What you think that looks bad , he didnt have that much financial backing to start 6 straight years in the Prem a win percentage of 40% almost , todate compared to NW record in the prem no comparison Eus !
I would take those positions , he left they fell down 2 divisions.


[edit] Charlton AthleticWhen Lennie Lawrence left in July 1991, Curbishley became joint manager of the club with Steve Gritt, taking sole command from June 1995 and masterminding the revival of the club's fortunes with two promotions and consolidation into the Premier League.[9]

Under Alan Curbishley Charlton won promotion, via the play-offs in 1997–98 after a thrilling play-off final against Sunderland at Wembley. The match ended in a 4–4 draw with Charlton winning 7–6 on penalty kicks, to take their place in the Premiership for 1998–99. Charlton had a good first month of the season with a 5–0 home win over Southampton and credible 0–0 draws away to Newcastle United and Arsenal respectively, which saw Alan Curbishley win Manager of the Month for August. However, after victory over Nottingham Forest, in the first game of October, Charlton won just one more game (against West Ham 4–2), before a dreadful run that yielded only three points from 13 games, including eight consecutive defeats, by February 1999. Charlton then won three in a row against Wimbledon, Liverpool and Derby, and Curbishley was again Manager of the Month, but the damage was already done. From 16th Charlton won just two more games before the end of the season. The double was completed over the Hammers and Aston Villa were beaten 4–3, leaving the Addicks needing a last-day victory over Sheffield Wednesday while hoping that Southampton failed against Everton. Charlton lost and Southampton won so it was back to Division One.

The club resisted the knee-jerk reaction to relegation by sacking their manager, and keeping that continuity proved an investment that paid dividends. With the prolific Andy Hunt netting 24 league goals, aided by Clive Mendonca on 9, John Robinson and Graham Stuart on 7 and Richard Rufus on 6, Charlton stormed to the First Division championship winning 27 of their 46 league games to take the title with 91 points, two points ahead of Manchester City. Then, as if quashing any doubts about their title-winning form, Charlton thumped City 4–0 on the opening day of the Premiership.

Charlton didn't have a prolific scorer in 2000–01 and again the goals were more widespread among the team. Jonatan Johansson finished top scorer with 11 league goals, and Shaun Bartlett, Claus Jensen, Graham Stuart and Mathias Svensson all hit five each. A couple of useful unbeaten runs kept Charlton around mid-table position, although they were fifth in September after beating Newcastle. The best sequence nine games unbeaten, came between the last game of 2000, when the league double was completed over Manchester City, 4–1, and a goalless draw with Middlesbrough that left the Addicks in eighth place. Eventually Charlton finished the campaign in a convincing ninth place – some highlights included a 3–3 draw at home to Manchester United and wins at home against Chelsea and Arsenal.

The following season was similar in that the team reached as high as eighth at the turn of the year, but no wins in the final eight games brought them perilously close to the drop. In the end though, three draws from the last four games ensured safety in 14th place. Ably assisted by Keith Peacock and Mervyn Day, Alan Curbishley built a sound squad capable of holding its own in the elite league with a good balance of experience and youth, with Chris Bart-Williams, Chris Powell and Graham Stuart alongside up and coming youngsters Scott Parker and Luke Young. It looked as if the team might make a real impact and five successive wins in early 2003 elevated the side to sixth, although defeat by Arsenal started a run of eight defeats in the last 10 games for a 12th place finish.

Charlton did so well in 2003–04 that they even threatened to claim a Champions League slot for a large part of the campaign, this eventually resulted in a 7th place finish by the end of the season. Curbishley continued to mastermind their consolidation over the next two seasons with 11th and 13th place finishes. During the 2005–06 season he also celebrated his 600th game in charge of the team with a 1–0 victory at one of his old clubs, Birmingham, in September 2005.[10] Darren Bent scored the goal.

Curbishley was named by the media as amongst the favourites to succeed Sven-Göran Eriksson when it was announced in January 2006 that Eriksson would step down as England manager after the 2006 FIFA World Cup.[11] Several British Sunday newspapers reported in March 2006 that Curbishley had been interviewed for the job of England manager by the Football Association. The post however eventually went to Steve McClaren.[12]

Richard Murray, chairman of Charlton Athletic, announced in April 2006 that Curbishley would leave the club at the end of the 2005/06 season.[9] Curbishley denied that this had anything to do with being interviewed for the England manager post[9] and speculation that this was so later proven false when Steve McClaren was announced as England's head coach. Curbishley managed his final game as manager of Charlton away to Manchester United on 7 May 2006, which Charlton lost 4–0. Overall, he managed 729 games for the Addicks, just one fewer than the record held by Jimmy Seed.

After Curbishley's departure, Charlton suffered two relegations in three years.[13][14]

[edit] West Ham UnitedAfter a short spell away from the game, which was augmented by work as a television pundit, Curbishley returned to management in December 2006 when he was appointed as manager of West Ham United.[15] After looking certain for relegation, Curbishley led West Ham to seven wins out of their last nine games, beating Blackburn Rovers, Everton, Bolton Wanderers, Wigan Athletic, Arsenal, Middlesbrough and a 1–0 win at Manchester United on the last day of the season, to keep West Ham in the Premier League.[16] The 2007–08 Premier League season was relatively successful for Curbishley, as he led the club to a top ten finish despite long-term injuries to many of the key signings he had made that summer, including Scott Parker, Craig Bellamy, Kieron Dyer and Julien Faubert. Before the start of the 2008–09 Premier League season, there was ever increasing speculation about his future at the club.[17]

Despite the club taking six points from their first three games, he was unhappy with the club's transfer policy after key players Anton Ferdinand and George McCartney were sold without his permission,[18] a claim denied by the West Ham United board of directors,[19] and he resigned his post on 2 September 2008.[18] Since leaving West Ham he has resurrected his TV career despite being linked with several high profile managerial positions.[20][21]

On 3 November 2009, Curbishley won his case for constructive dismissal against West Ham United. After the ruling, he said: "I am obviously delighted with this result. I very much enjoyed my time at West Ham and never wanted to leave, but on joining the club I insisted that my contract contained a clause confirming that I would have final say on the selection of players to be transferred to and from the club."[22] West Ham paid him £2.2 million in compensation.[23]

My point is that Curbishley took 6 times as long as Warnock to get his team up and on the basis of some on here he should have been sacked half way through his first season in the Prem

[harlowranger]

You would , i wouldnt , one of the better ones that would be available ,no O,Neil , no Lambert , Hughes possibly, Hoddle possibly but its a topic for another day my point was his record was fantastic at Charlton and his tenure at West Ham was not so good but still won 40.85% games at West Ham , what that was bad ?He won 29 , lost 28 and drew 14 hardly disaster .

[RoryTheRanger]

I will stand by my comment that Marc Bircham should be manager, but only if he brings the blue and white hair back......

[Macmoish]

I don't think Holloway is quite good enough...But I'd go for Holloway as Warnock's replacement: I think he's the positive, bubbly type that Fernandes would work well with. (With Beard taking the role of saying, "Sorry, Ian. You've racked and sacked enough strikers"!)

[RoryTheRanger]

Actually I would go for Di Canio

[harlowranger]

Jan 7, 2012 22:47:04 GMT eusebio13 said:

Jan 7, 2012 22:36:54 GMT @harlowranger said:

Not saying make a change yet but do you recognise what he achieved !
Yes he got them up , they were relegated and Charlton stuck with him whilst he kept them .
Got them up thru playoffs 97-98
1998-1999 Rele from Prem
1999-2000 won champs 91 pts
2000-2001 9th in prem
2001-02 14th in prem
2002-03 12th in prem
2003-04 7th in Prem
2004-05 11th in Prem
2005-06 13th in Prem

What you think that looks bad , he didnt have that much financial backing to start 6 straight years in the Prem a win percentage of 40% almost , todate compared to NW record in the prem no comparison Eus !
I would take those positions , he left they fell down 2 divisions.


[edit] Charlton AthleticWhen Lennie Lawrence left in July 1991, Curbishley became joint manager of the club with Steve Gritt, taking sole command from June 1995 and masterminding the revival of the club's fortunes with two promotions and consolidation into the Premier League.[9]

Under Alan Curbishley Charlton won promotion, via the play-offs in 1997–98 after a thrilling play-off final against Sunderland at Wembley. The match ended in a 4–4 draw with Charlton winning 7–6 on penalty kicks, to take their place in the Premiership for 1998–99. Charlton had a good first month of the season with a 5–0 home win over Southampton and credible 0–0 draws away to Newcastle United and Arsenal respectively, which saw Alan Curbishley win Manager of the Month for August. However, after victory over Nottingham Forest, in the first game of October, Charlton won just one more game (against West Ham 4–2), before a dreadful run that yielded only three points from 13 games, including eight consecutive defeats, by February 1999. Charlton then won three in a row against Wimbledon, Liverpool and Derby, and Curbishley was again Manager of the Month, but the damage was already done. From 16th Charlton won just two more games before the end of the season. The double was completed over the Hammers and Aston Villa were beaten 4–3, leaving the Addicks needing a last-day victory over Sheffield Wednesday while hoping that Southampton failed against Everton. Charlton lost and Southampton won so it was back to Division One.

The club resisted the knee-jerk reaction to relegation by sacking their manager, and keeping that continuity proved an investment that paid dividends. With the prolific Andy Hunt netting 24 league goals, aided by Clive Mendonca on 9, John Robinson and Graham Stuart on 7 and Richard Rufus on 6, Charlton stormed to the First Division championship winning 27 of their 46 league games to take the title with 91 points, two points ahead of Manchester City. Then, as if quashing any doubts about their title-winning form, Charlton thumped City 4–0 on the opening day of the Premiership.

Charlton didn't have a prolific scorer in 2000–01 and again the goals were more widespread among the team. Jonatan Johansson finished top scorer with 11 league goals, and Shaun Bartlett, Claus Jensen, Graham Stuart and Mathias Svensson all hit five each. A couple of useful unbeaten runs kept Charlton around mid-table position, although they were fifth in September after beating Newcastle. The best sequence nine games unbeaten, came between the last game of 2000, when the league double was completed over Manchester City, 4–1, and a goalless draw with Middlesbrough that left the Addicks in eighth place. Eventually Charlton finished the campaign in a convincing ninth place – some highlights included a 3–3 draw at home to Manchester United and wins at home against Chelsea and Arsenal.

The following season was similar in that the team reached as high as eighth at the turn of the year, but no wins in the final eight games brought them perilously close to the drop. In the end though, three draws from the last four games ensured safety in 14th place. Ably assisted by Keith Peacock and Mervyn Day, Alan Curbishley built a sound squad capable of holding its own in the elite league with a good balance of experience and youth, with Chris Bart-Williams, Chris Powell and Graham Stuart alongside up and coming youngsters Scott Parker and Luke Young. It looked as if the team might make a real impact and five successive wins in early 2003 elevated the side to sixth, although defeat by Arsenal started a run of eight defeats in the last 10 games for a 12th place finish.

Charlton did so well in 2003–04 that they even threatened to claim a Champions League slot for a large part of the campaign, this eventually resulted in a 7th place finish by the end of the season. Curbishley continued to mastermind their consolidation over the next two seasons with 11th and 13th place finishes. During the 2005–06 season he also celebrated his 600th game in charge of the team with a 1–0 victory at one of his old clubs, Birmingham, in September 2005.[10] Darren Bent scored the goal.

Curbishley was named by the media as amongst the favourites to succeed Sven-Göran Eriksson when it was announced in January 2006 that Eriksson would step down as England manager after the 2006 FIFA World Cup.[11] Several British Sunday newspapers reported in March 2006 that Curbishley had been interviewed for the job of England manager by the Football Association. The post however eventually went to Steve McClaren.[12]

Richard Murray, chairman of Charlton Athletic, announced in April 2006 that Curbishley would leave the club at the end of the 2005/06 season.[9] Curbishley denied that this had anything to do with being interviewed for the England manager post[9] and speculation that this was so later proven false when Steve McClaren was announced as England's head coach. Curbishley managed his final game as manager of Charlton away to Manchester United on 7 May 2006, which Charlton lost 4–0. Overall, he managed 729 games for the Addicks, just one fewer than the record held by Jimmy Seed.

After Curbishley's departure, Charlton suffered two relegations in three years.[13][14]

[edit] West Ham UnitedAfter a short spell away from the game, which was augmented by work as a television pundit, Curbishley returned to management in December 2006 when he was appointed as manager of West Ham United.[15] After looking certain for relegation, Curbishley led West Ham to seven wins out of their last nine games, beating Blackburn Rovers, Everton, Bolton Wanderers, Wigan Athletic, Arsenal, Middlesbrough and a 1–0 win at Manchester United on the last day of the season, to keep West Ham in the Premier League.[16] The 2007–08 Premier League season was relatively successful for Curbishley, as he led the club to a top ten finish despite long-term injuries to many of the key signings he had made that summer, including Scott Parker, Craig Bellamy, Kieron Dyer and Julien Faubert. Before the start of the 2008–09 Premier League season, there was ever increasing speculation about his future at the club.[17]

Despite the club taking six points from their first three games, he was unhappy with the club's transfer policy after key players Anton Ferdinand and George McCartney were sold without his permission,[18] a claim denied by the West Ham United board of directors,[19] and he resigned his post on 2 September 2008.[18] Since leaving West Ham he has resurrected his TV career despite being linked with several high profile managerial positions.[20][21]

On 3 November 2009, Curbishley won his case for constructive dismissal against West Ham United. After the ruling, he said: "I am obviously delighted with this result. I very much enjoyed my time at West Ham and never wanted to leave, but on joining the club I insisted that my contract contained a clause confirming that I would have final say on the selection of players to be transferred to and from the club."[22] West Ham paid him £2.2 million in compensation.[23]

My point is that Curbishley took 6 times as long as Warnock to get his team up and on the basis of some on here he should have been sacked half way through his first season in the Prem

Oh Eus well i cant argue with that really can i that did make me smile.But wasnt it his third season he got them up thro the play offs .Dont count the bit when was coach or joint or anything else just Manager on his own .

[geoff65]

Rory, I live in Swindon and the locals reckon Di Canio looks good but has a lot to learn in management.