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Post by oliverjames on Dec 22, 2011 14:00:19 GMT
He didn't start 2 up front untill spurs forced him to. He does not like too many players in front/ahead of the ball. Ian h was the same. That's why we play sideways so much. A couple of times it's broken down and the opposition has broken away and scored. Yes we've played some decent creative stuff wolves/stoke away but far too infrequently. It's playing not to lose football. How many times last year did we sit back after scoring and hang on or Kenny saving the day. Can you do this in this league? We either play long with 1 up front to pick up knock downs which last year was tarabt. lump it to hh or boothroyd or Play sideways to float a ball in by faulin or Barton. I watched Norwich against wolves and Norwich gave the opposition plenty to think about. We inmo don't give teams enough to worry about. Last night was pub football thinking and made a struggling team look good. It's not so much about my feelings towards nw but about how we attain some points to stay in this league.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Dec 22, 2011 14:01:24 GMT
2 up front is the answer IMO
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Post by londonranger on Dec 22, 2011 15:22:45 GMT
Playing One striker up will be our Waterloo. Bothroyd couldnt handle, Helgusson handles but would be even better with assistance. Play Adel dont play Adel. these inconsistencies, confuse the teams play list. Have Fitz Hall take thje rest of his 9 contract at the south of france. teach SWP what he has to do. Get Campbell playing regularle. what are we saving him for? give them Vitamin B12 shots to combat their lethargy. Dont bring on defenceman in place of forwards, unless the game has to be stonewalled. Its not the dearth of players, its the absence of a correct plan geared to opposition and abilitie of our team
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Post by stylecouncillor on Dec 22, 2011 15:25:02 GMT
Some of the posts on this thread are quite unbelievable. Our one and only objective this season is to finish 4th bottom. that is a fact. That is the target neil warnock has been set. We currently are running on schedule ! The 1 man up front tactic (no personally I didn't like it either) But the 1 man is our leading scorer infact pretty much our only scorer...... So maybe Bothroyd and Campbell should be looking at themselves a touch embaressed they are being out scored by what alot of people on here included considered an old Donkey lucky to be in the Squad.!! How some people can consider that NW will squander any january transfer money is madness. There were plenty of Shouts to get Bothroyd and campbell from fans on here ....... Warnock did just that ! When he was given cash He got the extra defenders ..... He wanted Bassong, Spurs in the end would not let him go.He made 2 pretty big Signings In SWP and Barton...... Weren't to many complaints at the time were there??? There were a few concerns reguarding Ferdinand I seem to recall but as he was signed at 1 minute to the deadline it was him or nothing.Now he's pretty much reguarded our best centerback and we are missing him now he's out. Some people are so fickle and need a reality check !! If you sacked Warnock today it would in all probabilty take a week minimum to appoint a new manager being christmas probably longer. The then new manager would be expected to sign new players from day 1 of his appointment without having seen any of his current squad acctually play a single game or even train. yes what a brilliant idea now IMHO that really would be squandering money
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Dec 22, 2011 15:51:22 GMT
Some of the posts on this thread are quite unbelievable. Our one and only objective this season is to finish 4th bottom. that is a fact. That is the target neil warnock has been set. We currently are running on schedule ! The 1 man up front tactic (no personally I didn't like it either) But the 1 man is our leading scorer infact pretty much our only scorer...... So maybe Bothroyd and Campbell should be looking at themselves a touch embaressed they are being out scored by what alot of people on here included considered an old Donkey lucky to be in the Squad.!! How some people can consider that NW will squander any january transfer money is madness. There were plenty of Shouts to get Bothroyd and campbell from fans on here ....... Warnock did just that ! When he was given cash He got the extra defenders ..... He wanted Bassong, Spurs in the end would not let him go.He made 2 pretty big Signings In SWP and Barton...... Weren't to many complaints at the time were there??? There were a few concerns reguarding Ferdinand I seem to recall but as he was signed at 1 minute to the deadline it was him or nothing.Now he's pretty much reguarded our best centerback and we are missing him now he's out. Some people are so fickle and need a reality check !! If you sacked Warnock today it would in all probabilty take a week minimum to appoint a new manager being christmas probably longer. The then new manager would be expected to sign new players from day 1 of his appointment without having seen any of his current squad acctually play a single game or even train. yes what a brilliant idea now IMHO that really would be squandering money Don't think DJ has to look at himself at all, he hasn't had two starts in a row all season (correct me if I'm wrong) due to injury and when he did start earlier on in the season he scored against Wolves.
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Post by eusebio13 on Dec 22, 2011 16:08:30 GMT
Some of the posts on this thread are quite unbelievable. Our one and only objective this season is to finish 4th bottom. that is a fact. That is the target neil warnock has been set. We currently are running on schedule ! The 1 man up front tactic (no personally I didn't like it either) But the 1 man is our leading scorer infact pretty much our only scorer...... So maybe Bothroyd and Campbell should be looking at themselves a touch embaressed they are being out scored by what alot of people on here included considered an old Donkey lucky to be in the Squad.!! How some people can consider that NW will squander any january transfer money is madness. There were plenty of Shouts to get Bothroyd and campbell from fans on here ....... Warnock did just that ! When he was given cash He got the extra defenders ..... He wanted Bassong, Spurs in the end would not let him go.He made 2 pretty big Signings In SWP and Barton...... Weren't to many complaints at the time were there??? There were a few concerns reguarding Ferdinand I seem to recall but as he was signed at 1 minute to the deadline it was him or nothing.Now he's pretty much reguarded our best centerback and we are missing him now he's out. Some people are so fickle and need a reality check !! If you sacked Warnock today it would in all probabilty take a week minimum to appoint a new manager being christmas probably longer. The then new manager would be expected to sign new players from day 1 of his appointment without having seen any of his current squad acctually play a single game or even train. yes what a brilliant idea now IMHO that really would be squandering money Well said that man......for those of you calling for NW head you have been infected with Briatoreness and should immediately take two fernandescillins and go to bed until May.
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Post by stylecouncillor on Dec 22, 2011 16:18:17 GMT
Rory Dont get me wrong I dont actually think DJ or Bothroyd need to look at themselves other than to pump themselves up along the lines of well he can do it I believe im a better player so can I. I also believe you are someone calling for 442 Dj to start alongside either HH or Bothroyd. I also think, though i might be confusing you with someone else here you actually wanted us to sign Bothroyd and DJ as was I. I'm not dissapointed with either of them to be honest yes a few more goals would of been nice but I think Bothroyd holds the ball up well and as you say DJ has been injured so his strike record to time on pitch is probably very good on paper. But then my original post was not really a complaint of the team more a rant at those calling for Warnocks head.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Dec 22, 2011 16:33:27 GMT
Yeah I agree with you. At the time I was very happy with Bothroyd but I think he could have done a little better at certain times, like those misses against Newcastle.
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Post by steveb66 on Dec 22, 2011 16:35:38 GMT
Well I for one believe that sacking NW would be the worst thing we could do, right now. Queens Park Rangers have been through so many changes of Manager and back room personal over the the last few years that we MUST believe and give Neil Warnock our full backing as consistency from the top down is what our club needs.
Sure some his tactical decisions have been questionable and Taraabt has been sidelined for longer than he should have been. (given that he was the only man playing bar perhaps Traore that looked like he could make things happen last night) but lets not forget what he inherited and how quickly he turned us round. We as fans owe it to him to lend our support. I found the booing last night from a small section of the home crowd to be crass at this stage of the season.
We all agree that we must sew up the holes in our defense and a striker that can run at defenses is another must but we have seen from the existing players that on their night we can play good, slick, passing football we just need our confidence back. That WILL NOT happen unless we rally behind the Manager and the Players and cut out the booing. Otherwise we become the next Blackburn Rovers.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Dec 22, 2011 16:40:26 GMT
The boo's have to stop. Stuff like that has a huge effect on our players and is helping nothing. We need to make LR a fortress like it was against City and Chelsea. Booing and shouting abuse at our own players will just make things worse. They need and deserve our support through this bad run.
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Dec 22, 2011 16:45:27 GMT
Well I for one believe that sacking NW would be the worst thing we could do, right now. Queens Park Rangers have been through so many changes of Manager and back room personal over the the last few years that we MUST believe and give Neil Warnock our full backing as consistency from the top down is what our club needs. Sure some his tactical decisions have been questionable and Taraabt has been sidelined for longer than he should have been. (given that he was the only man playing bar perhaps Traore that looked like he could make things happen last night) but lets not forget what he inherited and how quickly he turned us round. We as fans owe it to him to lend our support. I found the booing last night from a small section of the home crowd to be crass at this stage of the season. We all agree that we must sew up the holes in our defense and a striker that can run at defenses is another must but we have seen from the existing players that on their night we can play good, slick, passing football we just need our confidence back. That WILL NOT happen unless we rally behind the Manager and the Players and cut out the booing. Otherwise we become the next Blackburn Rovers. that was disgusting that booing.
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Post by oliverjames on Dec 22, 2011 17:48:08 GMT
For Me It's not necessarly about warnock in or out, or who plays etc, more about HOW WE PLAY.
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Post by mikehunt on Dec 22, 2011 19:12:34 GMT
Rory Dont get me wrong I dont actually think DJ or Bothroyd need to look at themselves other than to pump themselves up along the lines of well he can do it I believe im a better player so can I. I also believe you are someone calling for 442 Dj to start alongside either HH or Bothroyd. I also think, though i might be confusing you with someone else here you actually wanted us to sign Bothroyd and DJ as was I. I'm not dissapointed with either of them to be honest yes a few more goals would of been nice but I think Bothroyd holds the ball up well and as you say DJ has been injured so his strike record to time on pitch is probably very good on paper. But then my original post was not really a complaint of the team more a rant at those calling for Warnocks head. there it is again.
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Post by terryb on Dec 22, 2011 19:13:16 GMT
Last night, for the first time since Bolton, I thought we looked like a side who could be relegated.
Is this reason enough to ask for the sacking of Neil Warnock? NO
Prior to the takeover I expected us to finish bottom by a country mile & have stated on a few occassions that even if we are relegated this would be a great season.
Not because I would have seen the top clubs but because we are a club again.
I disagree with many of Warnock's decisions but actually that doen't mean that he is wrong. Please could we stop implying that because we hold a certain opinion this makes that opinion correct!
Finally, all this moaning about Barton's dead ball delivery. Not long ago all this was said about Taarabt & Barton was being praised for his delivery!
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Post by mikehunt on Dec 22, 2011 20:45:58 GMT
agreed, taarabts dead balls are no better than bartons. thats why we need (and are getting i reckon) ambrose, best deliverer of a dead ball around. dont know who we would drop for him though.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Dec 22, 2011 20:51:32 GMT
agreed, taarabts dead balls are no better than bartons. thats why we need (and are getting i reckon) ambrose, best deliverer of a dead ball around. dont know who we would drop for him though. Ambrose isn't that good, he offers nothing apart from the occasional screamer and I doubt even that in the Prem. Everyone was saying that Barton was great at set pieces when he joined but that's been proved wrong. Us signing Ambrose would be very unimpressive and I hope we don't.
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Post by mikehunt on Dec 22, 2011 20:52:53 GMT
oh my good god, what i wouldnt give for the 'odd screamer' to get me off my seat.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Dec 22, 2011 20:55:22 GMT
oh my good god, what i wouldnt give for the 'odd screamer' to get me off my seat. Doubt he could do it in the Prem. We should be looking at much better players than Ambrose. We were linked with Hoillett in one of today's papers.
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Post by Marc on Dec 22, 2011 21:43:18 GMT
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Post by blandy on Dec 22, 2011 22:36:18 GMT
Back in the summer: 'so what are your expectations for next season'
'if we finish 17th, I'll be well happy'
'survival would be enough'
'as long as there are 3 teams worse than us....'
'Warnock is God!'
Christmas after a bad run (all teams have them) leaves us 15th. 'OMG, it's Christmas and we're 15th and we've had a bad run, sack the manager!' yep...........you said it in a nutshell.........this was never going to be easy.......you don't just buy in half a new team and they get in right straight away......this season can only be judged on one thing and that is survival............granted at the moment it is dire, but the nucleus of that team has beaten chelsea, everton and stoke and given man city a run for their money. this is our bad patch.... lets be grateful we have a board who can make funds available for the manager, if we are still in the shite at the end of feb then , i agree, we are knackered...........but honestly, we all would have taken survival at thye start of the season and those that thought whatever money we have, that the first year back in the premiership was going to be comfortable, are seriously deluded
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Post by steveb66 on Dec 22, 2011 23:48:47 GMT
Last two posts sum up all there is to say on the matter as far as I am concerned, get behind the club or get lost.
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Post by 0hwestlondon on Dec 22, 2011 23:57:32 GMT
People who are wanting the sack for NW.
Please do not embarras our club by turning into blackburn fans, its not the latest trend to abuse the manager, i've said it before if you want champs football next season then carry on turning against NW, if you want prem football then stick by the manager and the players, if you are ready to go against the manager during his first bad spell then please could you let me know your name so if war was to ever break out i can get posted as far away from you as pos.
If things have been bad from the start, then i would say a change of strategy and thinking is needed, but i am a loyal man when things have been good from the start, its my way to stick with someone when things have been good, then some bad times come along and it makes me more determined to get behind them, as they need me now not the other way, to sum it all up, i cant betray someone who has only bought me happiness in the main, if anyone wants to betray NW then shame on you.
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Post by mm2h on Dec 23, 2011 1:22:18 GMT
My first posting here.
I think its only right for loyal fans to question both the managers position and that of any player.
There are too many supporters blinded by Warnocks miracle of last year. Yes he did an amazing job for which we should all be grateful. He was paid to do a job and did it very well as did the team. Equally there are some who have been shouting for his head. We should respect everyones 'views'
Last years team was supurb but that does not mean that everyone from the 2010-11 season is capable of upping their game to Premiership standards. Derry & Taarabt are examples where they simply cant cut the mustard now. Current form suggests that Warnock is too.
His tactics, formations, team selections and motivation skills have been found to be quite lacking. And he is always making excuses in his press conferences and praising how good the opposing team was. Twice recently he has siad that our opponents got 'out of prison'. he seems to be in awe of our opponents every week and this must rub off onto the.players There are no excuses, the buck stops at his desk!
The table never lies and to all those who say that 4th from bottom is good enough I say , yes I agree but 1 win 1 draw and 6 losses from the last 8 games is bottom of the league form!
The next 3 games might well prove to be the make or break for Warnock. The Arsenal match will not affect Neils position whatvere happens but to lose against Norwich and Swansea should be enough to make both him and Tony F realise that he is not the man for the job and to plan/spend accordingly. To lose these three games will see us in the bottom 3 and maybe even bottom. That would be 1 win and 1 draw from 11 games. Then I think the majority of supporters will be calling for his blood
However, If we win both games (or even all three:)), then that will give him time and then Tony F can open the purse strings. Thats how much of a knife edge I think it is
But come the summer, whatever happens, we need quality new blood - both players (not Bothroyd, Barton, SWP types but real quality) and manager. Without this QPR will not be successful
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Post by steveb66 on Dec 23, 2011 8:26:12 GMT
Interesting that you say that Derry and Taraabt have not stepped up to the Premiership plate. Sean Derry was, perhaps, our best player in the first four games of this campaign and Taraabt whilst guilty of some poor performances earlier is looking once again like our most exciting player right now. It's all about confidence and it's up to Neil to get that confidence back in the squad.
No one disagrees that results have been disappointing but sacking the Manager will not fix anything at this stage it will simply undermine everything we have achieved in the last two years.
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Post by eusebio13 on Jan 8, 2012 12:05:53 GMT
Some serious over reaction going on here. First, has it dawned on some of you that maybe NW was playing 4-5-1 because he was trying to protect a defence he already knew was vulnerable because of missing key players? It didn't work, but I suspect he was hoping the 5 in MF would compensate for the 2 donkeys in the centre of defence. Regarding the preposterous notion that TF somehow doesn't trust NW with his money and hence the reason why Warnock has now said he wants some loan players. Are you flippin serious? NW has gone on record talking about loan players because he said he doesn't want to pay inflated January prices. Everyone in football knows that you pay over the odds for players in January and much more than you'd pay for the same player in the summer. He said he wants to do his next major transfer dealings in the next summer window and, lest ye forget, he really didn't have that luxury afforded to him this summer. Guys like Gabbidon, Dyer and Bothroyd are here because the last regime gave him no budget at all to buy players with. Faced with that handicap he could either do one of two things: Keep the Championship team as it was and play that every week, or try and find some players with Premier League experience that he could get on free transfers, in the hope that they'd be-even if ever so slightly-improvements on what he already had. If TF never came we'd be lucky to be on 6 points let alone 16 by now. And I think you'll find that TF, Bhatia et al are fully supportive of Neil and will open the purse strings in 11 days time to ensure that NW is given the opportunity to put together a 25 man squad that doesn't rely on Championship level talent when injuries hit us. Am I disappointed about tonight's result? Yes, you bet I am. But I also know that, unlike the previous management of this club, the current board will spare no expense to make sure they bring in players they believe will win enough games to keep us up. The season isn't over yet and these blips will happen to the teams above us at the moment too. Its time to get behind the team and NW, not do what Blackburn fans are doing and slowly start ripping the club apart from the inside out! Great post...just as relevant today I think
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Post by Markqpr on Jan 8, 2012 12:18:23 GMT
Some serious over reaction going on here. First, has it dawned on some of you that maybe NW was playing 4-5-1 because he was trying to protect a defence he already knew was vulnerable because of missing key players? It didn't work, but I suspect he was hoping the 5 in MF would compensate for the 2 donkeys in the centre of defence. Regarding the preposterous notion that TF somehow doesn't trust NW with his money and hence the reason why Warnock has now said he wants some loan players. Are you flippin serious? NW has gone on record talking about loan players because he said he doesn't want to pay inflated January prices. Everyone in football knows that you pay over the odds for players in January and much more than you'd pay for the same player in the summer. He said he wants to do his next major transfer dealings in the next summer window and, lest ye forget, he really didn't have that luxury afforded to him this summer. Guys like Gabbidon, Dyer and Bothroyd are here because the last regime gave him no budget at all to buy players with. Faced with that handicap he could either do one of two things: Keep the Championship team as it was and play that every week, or try and find some players with Premier League experience that he could get on free transfers, in the hope that they'd be-even if ever so slightly-improvements on what he already had. If TF never came we'd be lucky to be on 6 points let alone 16 by now. And I think you'll find that TF, Bhatia et al are fully supportive of Neil and will open the purse strings in 11 days time to ensure that NW is given the opportunity to put together a 25 man squad that doesn't rely on Championship level talent when injuries hit us. Am I disappointed about tonight's result? Yes, you bet I am. But I also know that, unlike the previous management of this club, the current board will spare no expense to make sure they bring in players they believe will win enough games to keep us up. The season isn't over yet and these blips will happen to the teams above us at the moment too. Its time to get behind the team and NW, not do what Blackburn fans are doing and slowly start ripping the club apart from the inside out! Great post...just as relevant today I think More than makes up for the link in the other post. Well played sir.
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Post by cpr on Jan 8, 2012 12:24:47 GMT
Which thread did someone say "fickle fickle fans" on?
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Post by eusebio13 on Jan 8, 2012 12:27:44 GMT
Actually nomar is a decent poster and even his anti-Warnock stuff is at least reasoned and thoughtful (if not always bullet proof) and we've all been fickle at times.
Only Hitman can claim the "I told you so" award for being consistently negative about everything....but then he is going to make a bundle by betting on NW being sacked and he supported MK Dons yesterday
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Post by cpr on Jan 8, 2012 12:40:00 GMT
Actually nomar is a decent poster and even his anti-Warnock stuff is at least reasoned and thoughtful (if not always bullet proof) and we've all been fickle at times. Only Hitman can claim the "I told you so" award for being consistently negative about everything....but then he is going to make a bundle by betting on NW being sacked and he supported MK Dons yesterday Agree with that, it's why I put nomar's post in with saphilips one, as you say, it was reasoned and sensible. Just what you need when you should stop and think a while. I'm not fickle, I just change opinion with each beer.
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