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Post by hitman34 on Dec 21, 2011 17:40:44 GMT
i would just like to clarify that i never once called for warnock to be sacked and i do hold my hands up for bashing him for terrible results and bad formations and tactics but, tonight is where i draw the line.
this match is probably the most important league match to date for us. having suffered humiliation against fellow strugglers bolton along with being hammered at fulham. poor results at home to blackburn and west brom and toothless displays against liverpool and manchester utd, tonight warnock needs to get it right. No 4-5-1 bollocks, no swp on the left to accomidate an ineffective mackie. No subbing the best players on the field and lastly no admiring the opposition sub bench and saying what great players they are.
no more excuses warnock has either got the ability or he has not. what he done last year was fantastic but that was last year. the man has spent 30 years in managment with only two seasons experiance in the top flight both ending with relegation.
if we lose tonight, everyone has to have a hard think of who they support. who comes first q.p.r or warnock.
You R'SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 21, 2011 17:47:26 GMT
We all support QPR rather than an individual. (The ones who not very long ago, who certainly seemed to put an individual over the club, are well known to us and don't need to be named!)
IF I thought Warnock was leading us to doom...and we could change things, I'd of course advocate it.
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a) I do have faith in Warnock - in being good enough to guide us to survival.
b) I think changing now could have terrible consequences
c) Even if I agreed with you re Warnock, I don't think any one game can be a determiner. We could well lose tonight. But that doesnt mean Warnock is bad. (Or could win today, doesnt make Warnock good)
- Think back a few games, when were unlucky against Norwich, Man City, Newcastle, etc....The players screwed up, not Warnock.
And of course he's not flawless. But no manager. No replacement is. And can do a lot worse, and cause a lot of damage to the club, by axing him.
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Post by harbo on Dec 21, 2011 19:18:25 GMT
A ridiculous over reaction. Warnock has done a great job considering the lack of money he has had to spend and then when he did have money he only had 10 days to build a squad. Regardless whether we win tonight or not, who would realistically have done a better job up to this point for us? With the resources available to him? Stop scaremongering and start getting real. Look where we were 2 years ago and now look where we are now. What do you think of the progress? Miraculous? Yes, he has been part of saving our club so for you to suggest he should be sacked if he loses one game before we are even half way through the season is mindless and absurd! Let's get behind our gaffer and our players, support them and give them a realistic chance.
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Post by hitman34 on Dec 21, 2011 20:22:23 GMT
a sinking ship thats what we are with warnock at the helm
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 21, 2011 20:24:23 GMT
OK...We axe Warnock: Who do you appoint. Not in the Championship Manager world but the real world...? Actual names
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Post by mtch on Dec 21, 2011 20:24:58 GMT
Look at the side tonight !!!! one striker at home in a game we need to win Thays not down to the players warnock picks the side !!!!!
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Post by dsqpr on Dec 21, 2011 20:28:27 GMT
OK...We axe Warnock: Who do you appoint. Not in the Championship Manager world but the real world...? Actual names (This response does not indicate that I advocate sacking NW - yet.) Martin O'Neil would have been my first choice. Sigh. How about Alan Curbishley?
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 21, 2011 20:31:03 GMT
If Warnock had fallen under that proverbial bus, I too would have gone for Martin O'Neil...
I think Curbishley has done nothing in almost a decade...So no to him.
If our goal is just staying up, it can't be some lower division manager...All the good Prem Managers are taken (obviously)... So who: Has to be a marked improvement on Warnock who can take over a team loyal to Warnock (mostly)...and do better than Warnock, with the players available.
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Post by FloridaR on Dec 21, 2011 20:55:13 GMT
Mac - I think Warnocks hearts in the right place but he needs to get back to basic football and stop trying to over-tactic himself.
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Post by hitman34 on Dec 21, 2011 21:01:24 GMT
why not a lower division manager. look at norwich and swansea.
good ole ollie went so close last season, curbs plenty of prem experience, chris hughton, mark hughes, or maybe someone from abroad.
every week warnock is proving that he is tacticly inept in the premier division. do we carry on lake blackburn and hold onto him or do we take a risk.
i choose risk because all im seeing is a sinking ship and fernandes would be nuts to give him another 15 mil to spunk.
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 21, 2011 21:02:41 GMT
Because we're a Premiership Club. I'm assuming the goal (if hypothetically Warnock was out) was to STAY up...And I think you need Prem experience for that. Abroad...SOUSA!
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Post by hitman34 on Dec 21, 2011 21:56:02 GMT
if warnock remains in charge say goodbye to the premier league, say goodbye to the 45.000 stadium and say goodbye to big signings.
WARNOCK OUT
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Dec 21, 2011 21:56:58 GMT
Mark Hughes??? Or try and pry Southamptons manager away
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Post by FloridaR on Dec 21, 2011 21:59:19 GMT
if warnock remains in charge say goodbye to the premier league, say goodbye to the 45.000 stadium and say goodbye to big signings. WARNOCK OUT # Quote of the day #
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Post by kempton ranger on Dec 21, 2011 22:03:18 GMT
if warnock remains in charge say goodbye to the premier league, say goodbye to the 45.000 stadium and say goodbye to big signings. WARNOCK OUT Good job you're not TF. Question: after tonight how much would you back NW in the January transfer window.
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Post by mtch on Dec 21, 2011 22:09:21 GMT
ZERO why do you think we have gone from NW saying a month or so ago we will be bringing in 5to 6 players now loan players !!!! TF aint going to give him any money
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Post by CookesPie&Mash on Dec 21, 2011 22:10:40 GMT
whats the point of buying players if you dont know how to use them at their best position , NW has to listen to others around him . You cannot play one up front in a game you need to win , if we can see it then why the hell cant he . Hes not a tactician at all , dont cut it .
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Post by kempton ranger on Dec 21, 2011 22:13:48 GMT
ZERO why do you think we have gone from NW saying a month or so ago we will be bringing in 5to 6 players now loan players !!!! TF aint going to give him any money Air on the side of caution hey! Well I believe NW will be with us to the end of the season and I also think he will keep us up. Rotten luck and poor defending at times costing us games. He will start again in January and let us hope we get his players in.
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Post by hitman34 on Dec 21, 2011 22:14:29 GMT
well, presuming im fernandez i would be pissed that 10 - 15 mil has been wasted on barton who just seems to show more intrest in tweeting than playing, swp being misused and pushed out of position to make way for mackie, puncheans wages for sitting on the bench, not to mention over 200,000 aweek wages for these unmotivated players to wear a hooped shirt.
the only decent one is luke young.
i would kkep my money in my pocket if i was him.
but if i was him, warnock would be gone, hughes or ollie in charge with gerry francis and 16 mil on the table for them to spend.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Dec 21, 2011 22:18:53 GMT
well, presuming im fernandez i would be pissed that 10 - 15 mil has been wasted on barton who just seems to show more intrest in tweeting than playing, swp being misused and pushed out of position to make way for mackie, puncheans wages for sitting on the bench, not to mention over 200,000 aweek wages for these unmotivated players to wear a hooped shirt. the only decent one is luke young. i would kkep my money in my pocket if i was him. but if i was him, warnock would be gone, hughes or ollie in charge with gerry francis and 16 mil on the table for them to spend. Agree about Barton but where did you get that £10m-£15m from?? He was a free transfer Also Traore was imo our best signing. He should be played as an attacking midfielder after we sign a LB in January. Both our goals today came through his play.
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Post by hitman34 on Dec 21, 2011 22:20:04 GMT
facts are home to west brom, blackburn, bolton, sunderland, 2 points from possible 12.
away fulham, wigan, thumped.
still, our season is over after scraping a 1 - 0 win against a 9 MAN chelsea team. thats all that matters to some.
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Post by hitman34 on Dec 21, 2011 22:23:27 GMT
swp approx 4mil barton agent aprox 3mil plus signing on fee.
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Post by harlowranger on Dec 21, 2011 22:24:19 GMT
ZERO why do you think we have gone from NW saying a month or so ago we will be bringing in 5to 6 players now loan players !!!! TF aint going to give him any money Air on the side of caution hey! Well I believe NW will be with us to the end of the season and I also think he will keep us up. Rotten luck and poor defending at times costing us games. He will start again in January and let us hope we get his players in. Cant accept the rotten luck part , you make your own luck in this game !
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Post by hitman34 on Dec 21, 2011 22:28:10 GMT
forgot to add 3 year contracts worth upto 60.000 each per week that is coming out of fernandez pocket,
1 or 2 bad signings is fair enough but come on, bothroyd, gabbidon, dyer, barton, punchean, along with 4 mil to much for anton ferdinand.
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Post by harbo on Dec 21, 2011 22:28:27 GMT
shocking that your calling for NW to be sacked, at this stage of the season it will achieve nothing. Your just jumping on a bandwagon and then when we beat swansea next game you'll come running back with your tail between your legs. Warnock got us here, we ARENT IN THE RELEGATION ZONE, with what he has got he has done an amazing job. We beat Stoke at Stoke because of his superb tactics and we beat everton away with our reserve side, how quickly you forget these games and hang on to the negatives.
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Post by gramps on Dec 21, 2011 22:29:56 GMT
Yep, that's it guys. Sack the manager. Typical.
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Post by hitman34 on Dec 21, 2011 22:30:03 GMT
whats the odds on warnock commenting on how great sunderland subs bench looked tonight?
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Post by FloridaR on Dec 21, 2011 22:30:22 GMT
Rory - agreed about traore, I think him & faurlin play excellent together and should be midfield. Barton should only be a defensive midfield captain and not a designated corner or freekick taker.
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Post by hitman34 on Dec 21, 2011 22:36:25 GMT
harbo, can i just correct you on one thing. im driving the bandwagon not jumping onto it. i started this whole thing just before the west brom game.
we only beat stoke because of the european game that had that week, they were shot before kick off, as for everton we only had one shot on goal the whole game, yes it was enough but on another day we would have lost 6 or 7 1.
i and many others are supporting q.p.r. Not neil warnock.
a quote from a few, "thanks for everything last year adel but its time to go now" same applys to warnock
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Post by harlowranger on Dec 21, 2011 22:36:41 GMT
I thought Barton was selecting the Team , Taking the Free Kicks , Penalties , Corners and cutting the oranges up at halftime .
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