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Post by cpr on Mar 10, 2011 17:33:21 GMT
Given where we are in the season and that the FA have been unhappy since January I think that rather than have QPR apealling against any point deductions (which I'm sure they would) the FA will be pragmatic and fine the club. Whilst both sides might not be happy it would at least settle the matter. Not a chance I'm affraid. Lies, more lies and illegal payments to agents. No way will this end up in a fine. Luton Town got 10 points deduction and i think you'll get the same. It's a shame for the innocent fans but don't kid yourselves that you're going to get away with a fine for this. Not getting away with anything when there is no case to answer. We will not be deducted points. |
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Post by 0hwestlondon on Mar 10, 2011 18:02:25 GMT
i have sent a letter off today to the fa, i know you all probably think im mad as it will do no good, but i just wrote in laymans terms what points deductions do is to rip the soul out of the clubs fans players and manager and staff, i said i feel the deduction of points often brings the downfall of a club, and this can't be good for the game as a whole, points deductions should be the punishment the fa should look at only using in the most serious of cases, for me more suitable punishments if found guilty, should be fines embargos and a suspended points deduction where if we are found to be guilty of any future charges then the points deduction comes in to force, i suppose all we can do now is hope for the best but expect the worst, but by 5 pm saturday we will all know if this as affected the players, if it has the fa need not worry about points deductions then as that will be done for them by losses on the pitch. BUT ALL THE SAME COME ON YOU RRRSSS  |
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Post by Jon Doeman on Mar 10, 2011 18:03:14 GMT
Why are you so confident of that CPR?
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Post by Macmoish on Mar 10, 2011 18:16:46 GMT
No offense, but I don't think the certainty we're not in big trouble
But this is at least one time when obviously we hope that Gianni is absolved!
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Post by londonranger on Mar 10, 2011 19:03:44 GMT
cp Indys, a poster has this to say. sure that this will be ok to share.
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The way i see it is, if you play an ineligible player you are deducted points if its a league game or are expelled if its a cup match...in effect Faurlin is exactly that, an ineligible player, who has played 31 games this season and was poty last season when the club just stayed up....The fact is that Faurlin was not on the open transfer market, allegedly he was sold via an illegal transfer deal. Therefore we were the only buyers in other words a third party was paid....Swindon were demoted 2 divisions over a similar matter, cant recall it exactly but it was to do with signing players that through making the playing field uneven as such they denied other clubs a free market...to me thats exactly whats happened here...more simply had a player of Faurlins ability gone on the open market for £3m would he have ended up at QPR ? If no i would expect a large points deduction as the club would have had an unfair advantage, and over 2 seasons not 1.
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Post by klr on Mar 10, 2011 19:06:39 GMT
He must be surely the worst "character" / parasite ever associated with our football club in its entire history.
Its just grim isnt it ?
How can someone like that be allowed to be involved in the administration side of a football club ?, what an absolute disaster waiting to happen.
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Post by Macmoish on Mar 10, 2011 19:08:33 GMT
I actually can think of worse people than Paladini.
Those that facilitate the Paladini Spin machine.
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Post by cpr on Mar 10, 2011 19:09:38 GMT
He was not an ineligible player, we've done this one already. How was he inelible when no FL rules were broken?
Everyone's a doom merchant and ignoring the facts.
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Post by blockhead on Mar 10, 2011 19:12:25 GMT
He was not an ineligible player, we've done this one already. How was he inelible when no FL rules were broken? Everyone's a doom merchant and ignoring the facts. seven clauses breeched? and I got my water bill today. |
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Post by klr on Mar 10, 2011 19:13:27 GMT
I actually can think of worse people than Paladini. Those that facilitate the Paladini Spin machine. Absolutely. The young ones you can forgive, but the older ones are proper bottom feeders in the true sense of the word, really no shame at all, parasites. |
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Post by klr on Mar 10, 2011 19:14:54 GMT
He was not an ineligible player, we've done this one already. How was he inelible when no FL rules were broken? Everyone's a doom merchant and ignoring the facts. To be fair, with the history of the "character" concerned, I think you have to expect the worst. |
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Post by 0hwestlondon on Mar 10, 2011 19:23:01 GMT
cp Indys, a poster has this to say. sure that this will be ok to share. 10:43 am Joined: Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:02 pm Posts: 924 Location: london The way i see it is, if you play an ineligible player you are deducted points if its a league game or are expelled if its a cup match...in effect Faurlin is exactly that, an ineligible player, who has played 31 games this season aparty was paid.nd was poty last season when the club just stayed up....The fact is that Faurlin was not on the open transfer market, allegedly he was sold via an illegal transfer deal. Therefore we were the only buyers in other words a third ...Swindon were demoted 2 divisions over a similar matter, cant recall it exactly but it was to do with signing players that through making the playing field uneven as such they denied other clubs a free market...to me thats exactly whats happened here...more simply had a player of Faurlins ability gone on the open market for £3m would he have ended up at QPR ? If no i would expect a large points deduction as the club would have had an unfair advantage, and over 2 seasons not 1. how was he not on the open market when the player himself says he turned down offers from italy spain and others, did we not also have to pay some money to inter milan has they had options on him, so it sounds to me he was very much on the open market, that post is just scaremongering. |
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Post by cpr on Mar 10, 2011 19:24:34 GMT
He was not an ineligible player, we've done this one already. How was he inelible when no FL rules were broken? Everyone's a doom merchant and ignoring the facts. To be fair, with the history of the "character" concerned, I think you have to expect the worst. That I can understand but in the course of one day, at least half of the FA statement has been discredited. Whatever Paladini's involvement is, if any worng doing on his part, he should be dealt with. I still cannot see any justification for a points deduction. The FA have not mentioned it at all, neither have the FL. It's press speculation "possible points deduction" and doom mongers. I can also understand the doom mongering, we are QPR after all. To say illegal trading as no one else had the chance to buy him is nonsense. This happens all the time, after all, how did Barca get Messi for example? Time to eat and get drunk methinks! ;D |
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Post by Macmoish on Mar 10, 2011 19:39:56 GMT
And then every now and then you read a post and you say "My G-d, I didn't know he could that write well!"  |
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Post by blockhead on Mar 10, 2011 19:43:01 GMT
And then every now and then you read a post and you say "My G-d, I didn't know he could that write well!"  |
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Post by rich2644 on Mar 10, 2011 20:03:54 GMT
Not a chance I'm affraid. Lies, more lies and illegal payments to agents. No way will this end up in a fine. Luton Town got 10 points deduction and i think you'll get the same. It's a shame for the innocent fans but don't kid yourselves that you're going to get away with a fine for this. Not getting away with anything when there is no case to answer. We will not be deducted points. Errrm but you do have a case to answer. You have been charged and you'll have to answer them. Sorry but you're wrong. In 2008 Luton Town were deducted 10 points over irregular payments made to agents over three players which coincided with two other 10 point deductions and the club started the 2008-09 season on minus 30 points. The penalty was seen as extremely harsh on the club but the Football League looked to use the case as a precedent to warn other clubs of doing the same. Not exactly the same but you get my drift. You're in serious dar dar. You are in a good position of getting the points deducted though and still going up so it's not the end of the world. |
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Post by Budgies Mullett on Mar 10, 2011 20:10:12 GMT
CPR is right - no mention has been made anywhere of a points deduction. However, the FA will consider;
- is there a precedent?
- do they want to deter future activity of this type by imposing a fine/points deduction?
rich 2644, this isn't the same as Luton, totally different circumstances.
One thing is sure, this would not have happened under previous regimes - the utter incompetence of Paladini is now thoroughly exposed and he cannot be allowed to continue to have a role at our club.
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Post by Hogan on Mar 10, 2011 20:10:55 GMT
And then every now and then you read a post and you say "My G-d, I didn't know he could that write well!" Each time i see one of those it makes me chuckle as one does when one see's a puppet on a string, the writing style and puncuation and grammar are so completely different. Saw one of those last evening and thought wow that post must've been an easy copy and paste right off the email. |
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Post by cpr on Mar 10, 2011 20:24:14 GMT
Not getting away with anything when there is no case to answer. We will not be deducted points. Errrm but you do have a case to answer. You have been charged and you'll have to answer them. Sorry but you're wrong. In 2008 Luton Town were deducted 10 points over irregular payments made to agents over three players which coincided with two other 10 point deductions and the club started the 2008-09 season on minus 30 points. The penalty was seen as extremely harsh on the club but the Football League looked to use the case as a precedent to warn other clubs of doing the same. Not exactly the same but you get my drift. You're in serious dar dar. You are in a good position of getting the points deducted though and still going up so it's not the end of the world. We'll see but I think you'll find you are wrong. The other comments on the thread explain why so read them. We are not West Ham, Faurlin is Argentinian but not Tevez, stop looking for reasons for some kind of retribution where there is none. |
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Post by rich2644 on Mar 10, 2011 20:57:38 GMT
Errrm but you do have a case to answer. You have been charged and you'll have to answer them. Sorry but you're wrong. In 2008 Luton Town were deducted 10 points over irregular payments made to agents over three players which coincided with two other 10 point deductions and the club started the 2008-09 season on minus 30 points. The penalty was seen as extremely harsh on the club but the Football League looked to use the case as a precedent to warn other clubs of doing the same. Not exactly the same but you get my drift. You're in serious dar dar. You are in a good position of getting the points deducted though and still going up so it's not the end of the world. We'll see but I think you'll find you are wrong. The other comments on the thread explain why so read them. We are not West Ham, Faurlin is Argentinian but not Tevez, stop looking for reasons for some kind of retribution where there is none. We will see. I hope you're right. I don't want you to get a points deduction but I just know how the FA and FL operate. QPR getting a points deduction won't help my club. The only thing that will help my club is the end of the world. It is that bad. |
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Post by Jon Doeman on Mar 10, 2011 21:01:58 GMT
The only thing that will help my club is the end of the world. --------------------------------------------------------------- You need to get a good manager in mate!  |
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Post by Lonegunmen on Mar 10, 2011 21:08:39 GMT
Regardless of all this, Paladini deserves to be fire for bringing the club into disrepute and under media attention for the wrong reasons yet again
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Post by cpr on Mar 10, 2011 21:20:29 GMT
We'll see but I think you'll find you are wrong. The other comments on the thread explain why so read them. We are not West Ham, Faurlin is Argentinian but not Tevez, stop looking for reasons for some kind of retribution where there is none. We will see. I hope you're right. I don't want you to get a points deduction but I just know how the FA and FL operate. QPR getting a points deduction won't help my club. The only thing that will help my club is the end of the world. It is that bad. HaHa!  you've turned the corner and you have a decent manager, keep the faith, as they say. ;D |
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Post by blatantfowl on Mar 10, 2011 22:11:30 GMT
I decided not to have my usual walk along the canal today in case I couldn't fight the urge to jump in. Let's hope this all gets sorted out and I can go back there soon.
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Post by Macmoish on Mar 10, 2011 22:26:45 GMT
And then every now and then you read a post and you say "My G-d, I didn't know he could that write well!" Each time i see one of those it makes me chuckle as one does when one see's a puppet on a string, the writing style and puncuation and grammar are so completely different. Saw one of those last evening and thought wow that post must've been an easy copy and paste right off the email. If that really happened, that would be really, really, REALLY shameful. So surely not the case. |
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Post by bowles on Mar 10, 2011 23:39:01 GMT
DONT WORRY I HAVE A CUNNING PLAN MR P!!!! |
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Mar 11, 2011 0:10:16 GMT
i blame the welsh FA,
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Post by Lonegunmen on Mar 11, 2011 4:32:13 GMT
I'm surprised some haven't tried to blame Finney!
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Post by blueeyedcptcook on Mar 11, 2011 5:19:03 GMT
Like most of the QPR family, real dinki-di supporters that is, I am totally dismayed with the present predicament that we find the club isin. Whilst I despise ********, I refuse, ever again to mention the grub by name, I wonder if this problem was bought about by again buying players on the cheap. In saying that I feel disenchanted when I read in todays newspaper that Lakshmi Mittal is ONLY number 6 in the list of the worlds richest people with a measly fortune of $31.8 billion.  |
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Post by The Scooter on Mar 11, 2011 9:20:53 GMT
My understanding is that he was "ineligible" from Aug 31 2010 through to Sept 30 2010. 6 games. This is due to the issue with his contract extension NOT anything to do with the original deal.
Also - the unlicensed agent issue. There is a practice called "Fronting". A licenced agent may have been being used as a "front" to sign off the paperwork as legal when the groundwork and payments were taken by the unlicenced agent. Such deals are not permitted. A big issue for the FA.
Whether this is true of these circumstances, I have no idea but could explain why a seemingly licenced agent and deal has been pulled up for irregularities.
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