Marlon King Update (Thankfully Signs for Coventry)

[sharpy]

And not trying to be controversial,where would we rate Ray Jones,had he survived.Going on the inquiry he would of have served time.

[obk]

But this man has been convicted 13 times before he beat this woman so badly that she "lost her face" as she herself call it.
Jones would and probably should have served time, but it is also a matter of attitude.
Had he been keen to change, to accept his responibility and work to better himself, then he would have been worth another chance. I haven't seen any sort of regret where mr King is concerned.

[Macmoish]

I guess it goes back to the type of alleged act and the number total of time someone has been in trouble. So a non-violent breaking-and-entering might be more of a a criminal offense than what King supposedly did. But it was non-violent.

But certainly Marlon King is not the only person I wouldn't want at QPR - Joey Barton would be another

[sharpy]

"I haven't seen any sort of regret where mr King is concerned"

Now for me that is the problem.Leopards and spots come to mind.

[blockhead]

well he says he did not do it, so he cant regret something he says he did not do, the jury did not believe his account so he is convicted until he can proven otherwise.

The unfortunate thing is that we are all going round in circles for no apparent reason, we dont want him to come, but if he does we want it to be gp who meddled, but then we will worry as it would show that he still has a hand in transfers, if he comes we dont want him to score so we dont have the moral nightmare knowing weather to celebrate or not.

Until we evidence is provided to the contrary I think we can avoid the use of the term 'nonce' although It is true that if he did do these things he is not a nice person for lieing and saying he did not, but this is no court here.

[cpr]

Sharpy, he's scum, end of, not wanted, f*ck 'im, let him go to a desperate club.

Worryingly the club have not replied at all on any requests regarding him.

You are right, "nonce" is being used incorrectly. Having said that, I have not checked all of his 13 previous convictions.

[sharpy]

He`s scum,i`ll agree,but i really think some are going overboard with thier reactions on this and other mb`s in relation to this unlikely transfer.I have read a thread on the IndyR`s regarding this subject matter,and a link to a story about our much loved Sir Stan,where he gave his Mrs a clump,and although this happened long after his career had ended,it certainly tainted his image,but with some of the remarks for MK,it smacks of double standards.

Link to story....

www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article88535.ece

[blockhead]

Aug 9, 2010 19:19:33 GMT @sharpy said:

He`s scum,i`ll agree,but i really think some are going overboard with thier reactions on this and other mb`s in relation to this unlikely transfer.I have read a thread on the IndyR`s regarding this subject matter,and a link to a story about our much loved Sir Stan,where he gave his Mrs a clump,and although this happened long after his career had ended,it certainly tainted his image,but with some of the remarks for MK,it smacks of double standards.

I agree, the more you look into it the more convoluted the whole issue is.

[sharpy]

Just learnded me a new word

[blockhead]

a bit of a plug, but I have started a more general point about crime and punishment on hellobbc, I would like to know how we would deal with people like king (not king!) as it raises some interesting points.

[cpr]

I haven't got double standards, I don't want him, I don't like him, in fact I loathe him. He is everything i do not like in any individual and the thought of paying towards giving him half a million quid disgusts me, so I won't.

The sooner the club give him the spanish, as it were, the better.

Just being linked with him without denial makes me puke. Reading what Colin apparently said about him makes me puke. The thought of him at our club makes me puke.

[blockhead]

I wish some one else would sign him, the best QPR week for ages, and then all this.

twitter is saying two of the most obnoxious people at one club, not great PR.

[bowles]

will the knob-ends who run our club ever learn!! if we anit gonna sign him why doesnt some_one come out and say so! we shouldnt even be looking at this pr*ck, we should be going for much better players! as i said on another thread if he signs i can see there being a lot of bad stuff kicking off at loftus rd and i would goes as far to say that the bad blood it would cause will scupper our chances of getting out of this league! like i said before is it really worth it colin!! THINK ABOUT IT!

[magyarangol29]

This is still going on? Cor blimey, I don't envy you guys. Threads on the Palace forums too but some on there wouldn't mind him or would rather tollerate him for the goals he would bring.

You guys will get controversy with NW on-board but you knew that right? Wouldn't always be quick to point or hope that it's that GP bloke as NW does like an 'orrible **** in the squad lol. Don't get me wrong I am no NW hater, I like the guy, (but he's still a git for leaving us ) but that IS jealousy!!

Personaly, I don't think you need MK he should go to a club that IS desperate for him.

[bowles]

I THINK BRINGING RAY JONES INTO THIS DEBATE IS OUT OF ORDER!

[flanaganandallen]

I think making this mk issue into how children would percieve him as a role model is not a threat, it's all about how adults look at him, because the fact for me as a kid watching Qpr from the stands, and other teams on TV, and also traveling around various london clubs autograph hunting, I would'nt have given a toss about who done what (and there where plenty) but now I do.
Qpr are a business, would a business take on a liabilty?
A gamble of him getting us 20 goals and taking us into the prem?,
definite drop in attendance against a probable prem status,
this does'nt sound like a idea any business would entertain.
so don't worry my fellow rangers, nw is just being controversial,
DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE.

[cpr]

Welcome F&A, great name, great sentiments. ;D

[flanaganandallen]

thanks cpr, my Qpr teen idols mick and clive where, i think it's the curly hair that done it .

[londonranger]

This video off the Beeb is as unconvincing and in my mind seals the fact that he is ,on the most important level, totally unaware of who he is and what he does, taking little responsibility for anything.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-10890109

[Lonegunmen]

The day King scores 20+ goals a season for us, will be the day my wife lets me have sex with her. That's right - it ain't going to happen.

Seriously his goal scoring record is not that good.

[finney]

news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/w/wigan_athletic/8332728.stm

When i first heard this interview from Kings agent i was so angry by it not because i want to judge King the Jury did that not me not because i see myself as a good moral soul (i leave that to the daily mail readers) i am as flawed as anyone infact no one is without them.

But because i knew he was right that Wigan let him go but someone else will take him on and the offers will come in.
I read the reports and i followed the case as best i could and when that agent was on the radio my blood could have done a boiled egg.
The downside is that here is my club proving him right i am uneasy with that.

Now i am not going to get into a fight with anyone on this if people think it is okay for us to sign him that is their right and maybe i am wrong i don't know but it is my own personal thoughts.

First of all i don't need to hear a Doctor or an expert talk about violence on Woman or Domestic violence i have seen it with my eyes and lived it.
I from that know to my horror what it does to people and also spent some time when i was a child in a Hostile for victims of Domestic violence and all i can say is from my own personal point of view men who hit woman are the lowest scum to walk this earth.

Sharpy is right about the debate on Indyrs and on other sites and what is said can all be looked at from may different points of view.

But i don't care if King is a nice man or not and if he can score forty goals a season, to me i feel cold that in all a lot of the debate people ignore the victim in all of this she is a name a picture on a paper a story for a day.
Like the people who are numbers on the statistics chart of when someone soul goes on the TV or radio to talk about the issue of Domestic violence or violence on woman i guess i was a statistic with my mum and sister in that Hostile as were the woman and other families we came across.
And some i fear who could not escape their partner became the worst kind of statistic.

I also thought the choice of words from the manager were some what bizzare.
But he has the right if he wishes to sign him and i have the right to do what i want too which is ask QPR for a refund on my season ticket.
I do not expect people to agree or if honest i don't care somethings in life go beyond goals.

[Lonegunmen]

Here here

[bowles]

nice one finney!

[klr]

Aug 9, 2010 18:28:00 GMT @sharpy said:

How has he become a "Nonce",have i missed something ?

He chase's small young girls around Soho with no shoes on & a belt buckle wrapped around his fist, I'm not talking about the incident he got sent down for either, not strictly a nonce by definition, but he's definately a sex case & on the sex offenders register, not really worth splitting hairs over though is it ?
You make it sound like I've given him a hard time.

Such a sad thing to happen if it does happen, we have made a good start this season as well, the aggro & drama of signing this blatant criminal scumbag is just so not worth it on any level, mark my words, this player will be spat at & physically attacked on the pitch & rightly so IMO.
Our team & our Promotion bid does not deserve to be dragged down in to a situation that is so avoidable in the first place.

[klr]

Aug 9, 2010 18:33:37 GMT @sharpy said:

And not trying to be controversial,where would we rate Ray Jones,had he survived.Going on the inquiry he would of have served time.

Thats a poor comment to make isnt it ?

Ray Jones was 10 years younger & may or may not have been a bit of a rude boy off the pitch, as a footballer, I saw him play with a lot of intelligence & awareness, I'm sure you didnt mean it like that mate, but a poor comment to make IMO.

[klr]

And, for the record, I wouldnt want us to sign a scumbag like Joey Barton either, but at least even he doesnt beat tiny little girls up.

[Macmoish]

I posted this seperately, but should also (or instead) be here

Guardian Blog/John Ashdown

What's to be done with Marlon King?QPR fans are lobbying the club to ignore the possibility of signing the former jailbird striker on a free transfer

"He has served his time and we live in a country that we say when they have finished their time [in jail], give them another opportunity. He is a good player and I think he will score goals. I am not condoning what he has done but I look at some of the other cases of players who have got into trouble in the past. People have killed people and they never got the stick this lad has got. Whoever takes him, he will want to prove himself."


QPR's manager Neil Warnock on considering signing the recently released Marlon King.

Aside from the usual Warnockian exagerration – Lee Hughes might take issue with the penultimate sentence – King's search for a club raises interesting issues. Should football fans make moral judgments on players? Does it make a difference to fans if a player's private life is abhorrent?


And make no mistake, King's record makes seriously grim reading. Wigan Athletic sacked him after his latest conviction, an 18-month jail term, of which he served nine months, for sexually assaulting a 20-year-old and causing actual bodily harm.


This isn't an issue of whether a club would be morally right or wrong to sign him. Clearly, having served his sentence, King has the right to earn a living and QPR are entitled to employ him. That is not in question. I'm more interested here in gauging football fans' mindset.


The online outrage among Rangers' fans has been widespread – see this, that and the other. They have begun petitioning the club in an attempt to prevent any potential move. Should they succeed, they would not be the first group of supporters to scupper a transfer – Birmingham fans were able to dissuade Le Bowyer from joining their club in 2005.


I think it probably boils down to the very nature of supporting a club, just to get pretentious for a moment, and the way in which we see our teams as an extension of ourselves. So close are the ties, that supporters fear being tainted by association. If King were to join QPR then to support Rangers, so the theory goes, would be to support King, to share a common purpose with someone with whom you'd rather not share a county. But should we not be able to separate the player from the person?


I've no desire to see King in the colours of my club, but how much of that stems from the fact that his best days on the pitch are probably behind him, I'm not sure. And where do we draw the line? His convictions for sexual assault and actual bodily harm are clearly the most serious on his rap sheet, but did they also prove to be a tipping point?

Chasing two women along a road with a belt and buckle wrapped around his right fist and then approaching a woman for "no apparent reason" and spitting at her, offences committed in 2003 and 2005 before his move to Watford – did not seem to trouble fans of the Hornets? Or fans of Hull, Wigan or Middlesbrough, his later clubs? At what point does enough become enough?

www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2010/aug/10/marlon-king-qpr-wigan-fans

[Sabas]

We need a couple of strikers (according to Warnock) and there's no one on the horizon, except King... (on a free transfer"!")

So that is why I am 99% sure we'll sign him. I hope I'm wrong.

[Macmoish]

He's certainly stirring up a hornets nest for nothing if he wasn't interested

Given some of his signings have been out of the blue (and some protracted), Maybe some of the stories are "Trial balloons" to try and guage how strong opposition to King signing would be (and whether it would die down after he'd actually signed)

[Sabas]

Another question: would he want to join a club where he knows he's not welcome?

Have journalists realized to ask this?

Of course, he'd say something like that he's sure the majority of fans will learn to respect his attitude on the pitch and (his new attitude) beyond it; but nevertheless, would he want to join a club whose fans hate him?

And could that be a reason to join another club that he feels its fans are not as hostile?